I miss Gran Turismo 4 when I see these group C cars

@The_Abhy

11 ай бұрын

You can play it on pc

@MrRushfanatic

11 ай бұрын

In GT7 there are also some of the most famous Group C Cars. 962C, 787B, 92CP etc

@damarfadlan9251

11 ай бұрын

@@MrRushfanatic yep. The 787B from Shioriko Mifune, the C9 Sauber from Ayumu Uehara, and R92CP from Eli Ayase are the only 3 cars from GRAN TURISMO 4 that are returned in GT7.

@CD-Gaming

11 ай бұрын

I wish Gran Turismo was made more like 3 and 4 and less like 5 and the 6, the PlayStation Killer...

@purwantiallan5089

11 ай бұрын

@@CD-Gaming yep. Gran Turismo 6 despite still great, is the one that made Gran Turismo series went completely downhill, with Sport denoted as the WORST GRAN TURISMO game ever!

The Porsche 919 Hybrid was utterly dominant in arguably the most competitive era in sportscar racing history and should have been ranked higher in my opinion

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

It definitely was a dominant car overall especially in the 2015 WEC. Although at Le Mans it was not consistently dominant over the rest (gapping the grid wise) In 2015 they won, but it was a very close fight with Audi. And in 2016 Toyota arguably would have won that race. It definitely is an incredible car though. Good to hear more support for the 919!

@Hal9023

11 ай бұрын

@@FormulaJonah it’s the Le Mans 24 hours not the Le Mans 23:57

@sgsheff

11 ай бұрын

​@@Hal9023 true but this video is the most dominant not just who won. That season as a whole was one of the most exciting wec seasons ever. Personally, when Toyota and later Porsche in their second year joined Audi it showed that Audi may have been winning simply because they didn't really have any real factory competitors for some time and it didn't take long for Toyota and Porsche to beat them and now they aren't even there anymore.

@d.e.b.b5788

11 ай бұрын

@@sgsheff t They aren't there, because the parent company won't approve it. It will always be questioned, if Audi was somehow 'told' to not beat Porsche when the 919s won in the Porsche 'come back' to Le Mans. It will be great fun to watch all the manufacturers back competing this year! It's just a shame, that Ford won't be there in the top category. I guess the grand kids of 'the deuce' aren't into Le Mans like he was.

@purwantiallan5089

11 ай бұрын

@@FormulaJonah in case you dont know, Emma Verde, one of the Nijigasaki characters, drove that 919 Hybrid in 2015 WEC Season. It also appeared in FORZA MOTORSPORT 6, PROJECT CARS 2 and Gran Turismo 7.

The fact the R8 was only beaten by a car in a different category beat them showed how dominant they were. With Bentley actually being run by Audi Sport UK just under Team Bentley. Also Joest Racing were so instrumental in the building and development of the R8, Speed 8, R10 and R18s that without them none of these dominant cars could have been what they are. Also having 15 wins at Le Mans in total, with 2 wins coming from the 956.

@zairomolino4074

11 ай бұрын

Was quite a machine.

@ziggystardust4627

11 ай бұрын

Joest benefitted in 1984 from the Porsche factory team pulling out, but in 1985, they beat the the factory team head-to-head with superior mechanical and technological development, especially with regards to fuel injection systems.

@northstarsixtysix

11 ай бұрын

and the Bentley was just an Audi underneath, but one thing to remember, with those R8 victories and and Toyota victories, there was no real competition, apart from small privateers

@robertbearden785

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@northstarsixtysix right but Toyota gets crap for it unfortunately for some reason

@northstarsixtysix

11 ай бұрын

@@robertbearden785 you are right, will be interesting to see how long their dominance lasts now their is some competition. But lets be honest, the Audi R8 victories, and the Toyota victories, there was no real competition , more so for Toyota

I think there's something to be said about cars that were dominant in lower categories. Like, yes Porsche built a lot of prototypes that won.....but they also made the 911 that won one of the GT classes almost every year there were entries. It also birthed the trim packages like RS, RSR, GT3, and GT2 either due to homologation purposes or to honor their victories in those categories. And lets not forget that the 935, essentially the racing version of the 911 turbo, won outright in 79 despite being, effectively, a GT-class car racing against prototypes.

The 917 is such a cool car. It's probably one of my favourate cars ever.

@STREET24000

11 ай бұрын

My favourite is the Sauber C9

@superphonixlp4152

11 ай бұрын

917/10 I think is the most beautiful version of the car 😁❤️

@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo

11 ай бұрын

​@@superphonixlp4152I disagree, the Hippie martini livery, martini racing silver 917lh and of course the Gulf variants are the most beautiful versions ......

@robertbearden785

11 ай бұрын

@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo hippie one gets my vote too

@Reinhard..

11 ай бұрын

The Gulf 917K is my all time favourite race car, and my screen backgrounds

The Ford GT40 MKIV might’ve deserved an honorable mention. Setting top speed records, a distance record, leading the entire race, and directly causing a rule change that banned all large displacement engines. I believe it was also the last time Ford fielded a factory team.

@Kierenstanden-qz7eu

7 ай бұрын

Neen lola MK7

The ROTHMANS PORSCHE 956/962 and similar cars are mythical. I wasn't even born when they stopped racing but as an endurance racing super geek I am in awe of them and their driver line-up: Ickx, Bell, Bellof, Mass, Holbert, Watson, Haywood, Schuppan, Wollek, Stuck, Lammers, Dumfries, Ludwig, The Andrettis and others I forgot to mention. All racing legends I do not know if the hybrid Era cars will ever field such an incredible array of talent. Both driver and car super stars who were dominant.

@2838Steve

11 ай бұрын

they conspired with the whops and french to get the 427 side oiler banned

@purwantiallan5089

11 ай бұрын

Porsche 962 and 962C both are equally OP in Project CARS 2 and GT7.

@David-uu1oj

9 ай бұрын

I'm 65 and remember them well, it actually, for some, got a little old, they just kept winning at so many tracks. You are very astute to realize the depth of drivers that drove them. It was because of this that kept my interest in their remarkable wins. I thought the Mazda 4rotor entry that won one race should have been mentioned. Had it not been for the rules changing this was a force to be delt with for a few years.

i've personally worked on the #9 yellow audi r8 testing and it's crazy how quick it still is in present day

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Wow that’s awesome! I am sure that was a great experience for you! It definitely became a great a car.

My favourite little detail about the R8 (I don't know which year it was) was when they changed the rules to require smaller wing endplates, to slow the cars down. Audi figured out that they could have two large fins sticking up from the bodywork meeting, but not touching (there was a 1mm gap) the much smaller, totally legal wing endplate. To the air, it didn't matter. The I-can't-believe-they're-not-endplates worked just as well as the proper ones from the previous year and the car dominated even harder. The next year the rules were changed again to make the wing narrower, where Audi pulled a similar trick, which is the version that has the box sections at the ends of the rear wing. So the airfoil section was as wide as the rules allowed but the thing behaved as if the wing was bigger.

@gooblewoobles3686

11 ай бұрын

what year cars were these?

@GTR395

11 ай бұрын

2002 was changing of rules, then when Audi pulled out in 2003 regarding the last year of Bentley in Le Mans, Audi engineers worked on Bentley´s and they used that trick even on Speed 8 cars

@nathanstroud2223

11 ай бұрын

not touching, can't get mad

Fun little fact about the Ferrari 250 LM’s victory at Le Mans, it wasn’t even the main Ferrari team that won the 1965 Le Mans, it was the N.A.R.T team. Ferrari originally entered 2 of their 330 P2s, but cause they had issues with their brakes, they retired the cars and backed the remaining 250 LMs from N.A.R.T and the Belgium team, Ecurie Francorchamps. There’s a video on YT, forget who it’s by, that covers the 1965 24 hours of Le Mans. Which funny enough the winning 250 LM was given to the IMS museum and left in the basement for some number of decades. Which it’s also kinda funny too, the car that it was cozied next to was the 1979 Le Mans winning Porsche 935.

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Very interesting! Thank you for explaining the story!

@binhho2532

11 ай бұрын

I think it’s from vinWiki

You should have another separate Honorable Mention list for greatest one-time victory cars. That would be the 787B, F1 McLaren GTR and the 79, 935. Also, completly left out the Bentley Boys dominance from the pre-war era? Those would've been better than the Audi based Bentley you included. Great vid wither way!

@koyomiee1446

11 ай бұрын

I came here to comment that, not much a matter of dominance overall, just outright luck, still great stories

@timbrad

11 ай бұрын

Yep, agreed, no mention of the 787B & GTR especially, even in honourable mentions was surprising! 787B has sto still be my favourite Le Mans racer to date.

@Kierenstanden-qz7eu

7 ай бұрын

@@timbradraving against old jags and mercs lol

Putting in the Toyota TS050 which got it‘s wins with basically no competition and not the 919 which beat it every time they competed (Yes I remember how that happened but still) feels a little bit weird.

I would have evaluated the 956 and 962C as one distinct model. Despite the number designation change, the only difference between the 956 and 962, other than the usual year-on-year incremental improvements, is a redesigned front suspension to move the axis of the front wheels in front of the driver's feet and a change from an aluminum to steel rollcage. This was originally mandated by IMSA, resulting in the 962, and were transfered back to the 956 as the 962C, which had the same engine, twin turbocharger setup and transmission as the 956 (although they bored it out over the years). The monocoque was the same (in fact, some 956 cars were converted into 962s), and the bodywork maintained considerable continuity, mostly just having been tweaked around the nose to move the front wheel wells forward.

@robertbearden785

11 ай бұрын

I mean the 962 gtps were quite different from the European 962s and 956s tbh

@ziggystardust4627

11 ай бұрын

@@robertbearden785That's a more tenable argument, given that they ran 2 valve-per-cylinder, air-cooled single turbo flat 6s, but since we're talking 956 and 962Cs at Le Mans, I find it more difficult to treat them as separate cars. Unlike the R8-R10-R15-R18, which were decidedly different cars.

@justinreynolds2235

11 ай бұрын

The moving of the front axle in front of the drivers feet was a response to the loss of Bellof. He impacted the wall at Eau Rouge head on, and the injuries he sustained was partly due to the positioning of the pilots feet. The front axle line acts as part of the crash structure, since it is directly linked to the chassis and takes a considerable amount of force away from a head on impact.

@ziggystardust4627

11 ай бұрын

​@@justinreynolds2235 Bellof was literally racing against Ickx's factory 962 in 1985 when he crashed at Spa, so the 962 existed before Bellof's accident, and was not created as a response. IMSA had insisted on feet behind the front axle before the 956 could be raced in IMSA in 1984, for safety purposes as you mentioned, hence the creation of the 962 for IMSA. FIA looked at it and said that they needed to adopt the same requirement, which they did for all new cars in 1985. 956s were grandfathered in for two years, so the Porsche privateer teams didn't all have to buy cars to go racing in '85, and to keep the Porsche factory from getting backed up. Bellof was in one of the grandfathered Brun 956s (#116, to be precise) when he crashed. The last 956s I can find in FIA WSPC are the ones that raced at Fuji in 1986, and the race was in fact won by Barilla and Ghinzani in Joest's 956 #117, and they also raced in some other series, like Interserie, Supercup, and some non-championship races at Kyalami. A little aside, I had always thought that 962s didn't race at Le Mans until 1985, but it turns out that John Fitzpatrick/Skoal Bandit brought 962 #105 and Preston Henn/T-Bird Swap Shop brought 962 #104 to Le Mans in 1984. While Henn's 962 had an IMSA-spec two-valve single turbo engine and raced in the GTP class, Fitzpatrick's car had the 2.65 liter 4-valve twin turbo 935 engine (the engine designation, despite the fact that this type had not run in Porsche 935s - confusing) that was standard issue for Group C, and the car was run under Group C rules! So, it appears that a privateer had the first 962C almost a year before the factory! It may have been that they bought an IMSA-spec 962 and retrofitted the engine and rear bodywork from a 956, but on this, I'm speculating.

@cyjanek7818

11 ай бұрын

That front design change itself was already kinda big

The Audi R8 will also be remembered in LeMans history in 2000 where they completed one of the fastest rear end changes ever and it took the Joest mechanics less than 4 minutes to complete the repairs and get the car back in the race

I knew the Mazda 787B didn’t actually exist. I knew it was a fever dream.

I still think the 956 was the most dominant racecar of all time. The R8 never took 9 out of the first 10 places at Le Mans.

@noahletwinski6955

11 ай бұрын

The Bugatti Type 35 would like to have a word with you on that.

@user-kt8dy7pc8n

Ай бұрын

917 30 Nark Donahue

i would probably swap positions between audi R8 and porsche 956, but its okay, the VW group is absolutely dominant in this list

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

I was definitely debating doing that multiple times. Both cars truly dominated Le Mans!

@ziggystardust4627

11 ай бұрын

I state elsewhere that I think the 956 and 962 should have been considered together (minimal safety changes between the 2, along with year-on-year improvements, no major redesign), and if you look at them as a consistent single model, they are be the undisputed champions of this comparison.

Toyota GR might have to be re evaluated after this 24h. Seeing as each win came with virtually no serious competition. And when they finally did this year Ferrari took the front row and the. 51 car never looked back. Especially seeing as Cadillac, Porsche and Peugeot had a taste of the lead at certain points.

@ernestogasulla7763

10 ай бұрын

Ever since the top LM class adopted BoP, the results are meaningless.

Well done, very nice compendium, and top 15 choices indeed! Let's not forget the GTs though (whether it be Group 5, GTS, GT1, GT2, LMGTE etc): Porsche 935 and 935K, 961, 911 RSRs, the awesome Viper, Corvette, Ferrari 488 LMGTE, and the absolute outsider McLaren F1 GTR (courtesy of Ueno Clinic haha)

Certainly for me nr. 1 are the couple 956/962. Wins from 1982 until 1987. But don' t forget the speed record of Marko/Van Lennep of 1971: 39 years !!!!

I am a Porsche fan in out and all around......but that D-type does it for me.....judgement based on looks. lol

Great video again FJ. I agree with your rankings too. I noticed some comments about the Porsche 919 not being on the list but they were able to come in on the back of the Audi dominance with the R18 as both are from the VW stable. An absolute shame that Audi have chosen the F1 path when all their success has been in sports car enduros.

What a SUPERB presentation! Great history lesson; neat graphics and concise presentation; extra bonus points for Honorable Mentions; you added metric for those that make up 95% of the world; great narration; no annoying background music. Only thing I wish was present, if I may knit pick would be the amount of HP these monsters produced. Thanks for this. Now to pick one to race in my sim rig.

917 was the GOAT, but the MS670 has the greatest sound ever.

I would love to see more content for this gt challenge ... great for this preview

The Mazda 787B was a phenomenal car. A 3 rotor engine making it a 1.3 engine producing 500bhp. The first outing won, but then the FIA banned it, so it was not raced ever since. but I could be wrong

@lasallejr2935

11 ай бұрын

6 rotor rb26 motor 2.6l wankel engine*

@danbert8

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. It should have at least made the mentions list since it's the only non-piston powered car to win.

@jay2.0

11 ай бұрын

@@lasallejr2935 4 Rotor*

@Prizm21

11 ай бұрын

It wasnt close to being the fastest car though. Le Mans was the only race it won in 1991, and it qualified 12th for the race. It won it because of reliability and consistency. The FIA didnt ban specifically the 787b, the regulations were changing to be in line with F1 engine regulations regardless of the 787b, its a common misconception that the FIA thought the 787b was "too good" but its simply untrue.

In general I think this video is very good. My only issue is that cars that won Le Mans once are portrait as dominant. While this may be true to further illustrate that dominance you could emphasis the gap to the next cars more in order to show how dominant these machines really were.

thd 919 has a small engine but the hybrid system it had was monstrous, it pulled like a train and was also quite efficienf

Surely the 4 1/2 litre Bentley deserves a mention. 4 wins and a 1,2,3,4! Puts most of the other cars mentioned well and truly in the shade.......

I’d have the 917 higher, but just my opinion. Don’t mind anyone’s personal order, it was just nice to reminisce over some great cars. Love the vid.

Nice video, I’d have been tempted to throw some class cars in there as well. Porsche 911, Corvette C6R/C7R, Oreca 07, Viper GTS-R

@alexjenner1108

11 ай бұрын

Also the Alfa Romeo T33 winning the 2.0 L class in 1968 and going 4th, 5th and 6th overall. I'm sure there must have been years when Porsche had similar results in their class.

A good list. I’m a big fan of the Jaguar XJR-9 personality.

When they raced the Audi R8 for the fist time, the leading car had to go to the pits. They replaced the gearbox in less than 5 minutes. When they left the pit, they were stilll leading the race!!! That is dominance!

A GT40 would be my dream car, but as Clarkson taught me, I can’t fit in one 🤣

@purwantiallan5089

11 ай бұрын

Nico Yazawa also love the 1966 Ford GT40.

@jcgabriel1569

11 ай бұрын

Well, there's the GT40 Roadster Prototype, if you still can't fit in this one, I will be stumped... kzread.info/dash/bejne/f6CBwbmBo6TXoc4.html

I honestly wouldn't put the 905 that high up on the list. The Sport 3.5L regulations were put by the FIA and Bernie Ecclestone purely to kill Group C and endurance racing in general. Peugeot played a huge role in politics at this time and their only opposition were the few manufacturers that could actually keep up with the ramping costs.

@Luisml8

11 ай бұрын

Why would they wanted to killed group C?

@valentin7574

11 ай бұрын

@@Luisml8 Group C had more and more manufacturers join in the late 80s (Sauber Mercedes, Jaguar) which could challenge Porsche for the win. That drew a lot of attention from the media and the public, so much that Bernie Ecclestone feared it would overshadow Formula 1. As a side effect, some manufacturers like Peugeot later joined F1 as engine suppliers because, well, what are you going to do with that F1 engine now that sportscar racing is dead?

@Luisml8

11 ай бұрын

@@valentin7574 wow that guy was insane 💀

@unclebanga5976

11 ай бұрын

The 905 easily should be ranked up here. Porsche often barely had any competition back in the hey days. Toyota came with a very strong car and failed against the 905. A 3.5 v10 screaming at 12,000rpm really shouldn't last 24hrs. But it did......Twice, Including a full podium lockout.

The matra made such a unique sound it could be recognisable of any car from afar, just like the Mazda 787b. It was a glorious sound.

Awesome video. I hsve only one thing to add. The ford gt40 you mentioned as the "mk1" was actually a "mk2." Though its an easy mistake to make. Again that was a great video !

Found your channel by this video and loved The R8 is my favorite car, i have the number #3 from 2002 in a 1/18 scale 😍

@FormulaJonah

9 ай бұрын

Glad you found the channel! And that’s awesome you have the R8 as a model!

good list- I'd bump the 962 up a few spots- but good list

Nice, I appreciate you stating, in your opinion. There are so many cars that could have been mentioned.

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it! There are definitely so many to choose from.

The 787B will always have a special place in my opinion

@magg7771

11 ай бұрын

I was expecting it to have an honourable mention at least.

@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo

11 ай бұрын

​@@magg7771why? It won 1 race out of 22 races in two years......And that one race it only won on pure luck........ That car was not dominate at all ......

The Ferrari TR’s in all there versions have 3 victories, 4 including the 330TRI and were brilliant. Also I think a special mention should have gone to the Bugatti Type 57’s partly because they were ahead of the time and also like the TR’s they look fantastic.

Another Fantastic Video and an very interesting Format maybe you can do this with other popular races too. I am very exited for Le Mans. Do you have an favourit car for Le Mans I think there are many entries on the grid with very great Liveries you can see them all on the offical App of the wec. I think the best looking car with the best Livery is the number 66 Ferrari from JMW Motorsport. What do you think?

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! Good question! The #66 Ferrari definitely has an amazing livery, good choice! Personally, I really like Peugeot’s Le Mans Livery, but tbh it’s really hard to pick! The Matra / Pescarolo tribute livery is also super cool. And we can’t forget Rexy haha!

@GTRISTHEGOAT

11 ай бұрын

​@@FormulaJonah Yes I think to the Peugeots have very good Liveries were Fantastic not a classic idea but it looks great and Rexy is a very beautiful car I'm love it the mouth looks perfect but we need more of some Art Liveries they Look so great for some examples: Iron Force Racing, T3 Motorsport and Street art Racing I think they have very cool designs on their cars

The question I have is the changing from 2 driver to 3 driver to 4 driver regulations which would of course enhance the performance of racing especially in the duel drivers compared to 3 or 4.

I miss those legendary Group C Race cars that were from GRAN TURISMO 2, 4 to 6, especially Mia Taylor's BENTLEY SPEED 8, Yuu Takasaki's Audi R10, and Setsuna Yuki's Minolta Toyota 88C-V.

Only twice in the history of Lemans has the very SAME car won twice. Not a new race car of the same model, but the same car. That screams reliability to me. The 1969 GT40 chassis #1075 (nicknamed the 'Old Lady'), the same car that had won the previous year. The other was a Bentley Speed Six that had done it in 1929 and 1930.

@Formula Jonah did you read that Alfa Romeo going to team up with HAAS 2024 but THEN in 2026 WEC entry! They will replace Peugeot on the grid. Car will be Alfa Romeos own but using some useful stuff from Peugeot 9X8

@maxb4085

11 ай бұрын

It's all still speculation for Alfa Romeo coming to WEC in 2026 and taking over the Peugeot program. Can I ask where you read that Alfa had confirmed this?

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

I have heard of the Haas / Alfa Romeo deal, very interesting.. Will need to see where that goes. I haven’t heard about the 2026 WEC Alfa Romeo entry yet. Would be cool if they do join WEC and also stick with F1 in the form of Haas

@kpl4174

11 ай бұрын

@@maxb4085 from Italian sites as I speak Italian. We could get confirmation by late June this year

I somewhat feel that the 919 was better than the Toyota, and the fact that the Toyota saw success was due to the fact that I personally feel, its easy to win when you are the only big competitor in your class. With the return of newer better cars this year and next year I feel that the Toyota will once again be deemed to not be as good again, and return to being a competitive but not winning car

@houseking9211

9 ай бұрын

the 919 was definitely better than the ts050

The Nissan Deltawing was the most dominant in my opinion.... it completely dominated the headlines for being a failed project with so much potential.

Some tweaks can be done by considering the other rivals (Peugeot 905 for example) but overall great video

well in my opinion the ts050 wont be really that successful if porsche or audi didnt left but the smp racing and reb cars did absolutely amazing so pretty fair for toyota.

@vwjetta4138

11 ай бұрын

True

@jingorooroad2559

11 ай бұрын

@@vwjetta4138 No, it's actually wrong. Simply because Toyota GR team was scoring more victories and podiums than porsche in the last years. That's why porsche didn't respected the contract they had with the ACO and FIA, and suddenly left the competition. Porsche was supposed to stay until the end of lmp1 era. Porsche was clearly aware they wouldn't be able to win over Toyota in the next years, and they run away to avoid being beaten by Toyota fairly. The last year with Toyota and porsche illustrated it the best, when porsche only won WEC, because of the double points from LeMans, when Toyota had won more WEC races than porsche. When this unfair situation have been pointed out, and the ACO-FIA suddenly announced removing this double points rules from LeMans, porsche withdraw themselves. Porsche victories are often doubtful, and sometimes outrageously lucky. As the victory on LeMans, when porsche actually abused the rules and fuel regulations, by over consuming all the time gasoline, going to penalties in pitlane. It only appears that a cheater could won LeMans by cheating one of the main rules, since they were obviously going faster by over consuming, the penalties weren't enough to slowdown this abuses.

@jonpetter8921

11 ай бұрын

@@jingorooroad2559 Porsche like Audi left the competition because of VAG Diesel gate scandal same with shut down of VW Rally program.

@houseking9211

9 ай бұрын

@@jingorooroad2559 top level cope

Your list is pretty spot on I would say. The only other car I would add is the McLaren F1 not just because I was there in 1995 where it one. But also because Gordon Murray himself drove the race car to and from Le Mans to prove a point. As far as I know it was the last production car to have won the race.

@FormulaJonah

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! The McLaren F1 is absolutely a cool car, I gotta make a separate video about it tbh! Although for this list, I don’t think I would classify it as being dominant over the rest of the field at Le Mans right? I could be wrong though! That is so cool you were there in 1995 at the event! It must have been quite the race!

@smith2781

4 ай бұрын

@@FormulaJonah Depends on what you mean by dominant? When I was there in 95 4 of the top 5 cars were McLaren F1’s. But as far as I can remember I don’t think it won again as they upset a lot of manufacturers ( particularly Porsche ) which came back with revenge the following year. Yeah it was absolutely brilliant going to Le Mans. I’ve got a photo somewhere of me with my Dad and brother outside the McLaren pits standing infront of the car. Oh how times have changed try doing that now lol. The night time was my favourite seeing the brakes glow red hot and the flames popping out the exhausts on the downshifts. My favourite sounding car was the Corvette that thing was like angry thunder when it went passed. We did have a tent on the campsite there but as you can imagine you couldn’t sleep nor did you want too. It’s just a brilliant event they had rock concerts there and a pretty good fair and theme park there so you were never bored. Luckily I live in south England so we drove there from our house through the channel tunnel and was there in a few hours. But for the 95 race it certainly did dominate.

Hard to pick which Porsche was best....🚗 The Gulf livery 917K is my favourite and IMHO the best looking racecar ever, but the 911 GT1, 956 and 962 were also dominant..

I was expecting this to be a yank upheaval of the GT, but it was only brief. Very happy that porche dominance was addressed, but I feel like this is a bit historical. did the video creator not watch Fernando Alonso Toyota, should be fresh in everyones memories.

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Considering this video is about Le Mans dominant cars from 1923 till 2022, it was bound to be historical. Fernando and the TS050’s wins were definitely amazing to watch! And proved the TS050 was dominant at Le Mans regardless of fewer competitors, hence its #7 on this list.

Great post!!!👍👍👍

@FormulaJonah

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Interesting list! I believe it is a very good attempt to rate them including the number of laps leading. But it is very difficult to make a final ranking since one should include the competition - was there a strong competition or was it more or less absent? There were years when Porsche simply didn't support any works teams... same with Toyota, Peugeot, or Audi...

It will be interesting if in 5 years time we will see the 499P here, or especially the 9x8, as it was a car specifically built for Circuit De La Sarthe.

Peugeot 908 hdi fap is arguably the fastest non hybrid endurance car of all time and with a win loss ratio of over 65% throughout its racing history and multiple endurance championships, including winning the 2009 24hr, it should easily be up here. Unless this is for purely winning the 24hr to which it still should be cos it was soo damm fast.🤷🏽‍♂️

ALL THE CARS MENTIONED WERE AWESOME FOR THEIR DAY now as for favorites would be 962 since it the first l saw race , Next 917 & GT40 , followed by the AUDIs R8 /R10s NOW as for most interesting motors would be the MAZDA rotary 787B and 919 v4

Great video, thanks

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Only thing to note in a fantastic video is that an R10 did retire due to mechanical failure in 2007 when the wheel came off in the early hours which put it in the barrier. I’m not sure if you’re counting that as a crash but the failure lead to the crash

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Good point! I do classify the #2 car in 2007 as it being crashed out of the race.

@thebucketofawesomeness8700

11 ай бұрын

@@FormulaJonah that’s fair enough, I remember watching it live was 20 odd mins into its stint it just came flying off in the entry to Indianapolis was very strange

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

For sure! It was so strange, it was also like another Audi out! Because Rocky had crashed the #3 earlier and now only the #1 was left

Excellent video however for ford the GT40 MKII was the car that won the race in 1966.

I can't put the Bentley Speed Eight on that list. Sure it won in 2003, but the Audis it beat were privateer entries. It was nowhere near the Audi R8 when the factory focus was on it the previous two years.

Late 1960's / early 1970's Le Mans is my favorite era! The Ford GT40 is such a Gorgeous and Sexy car!🏁🇺🇸

Top 1 should have been the Peugeot 905, it held the "chicane added hunaudière straight line" track record with a 3:21 lap time, only beaten in 2010 by the Peugeot 908 with a lap time of 3:19. Peugeot 905 was simply 3 to 4 second faster than the competition in its time on a clear lap and was by design ( It was basically a late 2010 LMP1 in performance 20 years prior to the Peak of non hybrid LMP1 race cars ) The aerodynamics of this car were just 20 years ahead of it's time. Peugeot 905 Should definitely be the top 1 in regards of how old the car is and how well it'd hold up against contemporaries today.

@houseking9211

9 ай бұрын

it would easily beat the current hypercars which I find kind of funny, imagine if it had modernized tyres

you should do this for cars from other classes as well

I was surprised to see some of the more recent cars without an enclosed cockpit. I assumed they all were enclosed. How did they deal with rain?

can you do daytona 24h next? this would be interesting for people who doesn't know alot about imsa like me

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

My pleasure, once the 24 hours of Le Mans is over I’ll consider doing it. Thanks for the suggestion!

@danverss6176

11 ай бұрын

@@FormulaJonah thanks jonah!

Obviously the one that you picked.👌🏿👍🏿👍🏿

Subject needs a part 2. I’ll sub if needed

what about the McLaren F1 GTR ? - a ROAD car winning on debut in 1995 up against prototypes - at least an honorable mention - c'mon!

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

It wasn’t dominant though. The prototypes were faster and McLaren won by luck and consistency. It’s definitely an amazing car, but it doesn’t fall into the same category that is related to this list

@sgsheff

11 ай бұрын

​@@FormulaJonah for a road car beating prototypes on it's debut it doesn't matter how it happens it's incredible and should be on the list. It will probably never ever happen again.

@kennydee8296

11 ай бұрын

@@FormulaJonah nobody wins without luck 😜

I have seen a report that some cars of peugeot reach to 405 kmh at le mans

What about an honorable mention for the mazda 787b😢 .......you do have a new sub though 🎉

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Great car! Although it’s not included in the same category, as Mazda never dominated Le Mans. Thanks for subscribing!!

@readytogame83

11 ай бұрын

@@FormulaJonah they dominate that 1race tho 😃

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Well the Mazda started farther back then the others, where Peugeot, Mercedes, and Jaguar were battling up front. The Mercedes C11 lead most of the race before it encountered reliability issues. The #55 Mazda took the lead because of their reliability and others dropping off. They still won but a lot of it was down to reliability and consistency and not domination over the rest of the grid. If you are interested in the 787B, I made a video on Mazdas road to that point which I’ll link here! kzread.info/dash/bejne/da6TzdlyhMzPfpc.html

@MachoMadness069

11 ай бұрын

The 787B qualifed 12 seconds behind the Sauber C11 on pole. It won because it didn’t break down unlike many of the faster cars. Probably due to many of the other cars being forced to use brand new drivetrains. FIA had decided that everyone should use 3.5L engines, because that is what they used in F1 at the time - no, it doesn’t make any sense.

I might push the 956/962 above the r8 just because the 962 is literally just a 956 with safety added so they could race in imsa, basically the same car winning 6 years in a row

In 1966 it was a 7 litre Ford GT40 mark 2 which came 1, 2 and 3. In 1967 it was a 7 litre mark 4 (1st and 4th). 1969 was the last overall win for Ford. Neither the Jaguar D or C type was developed using a wind tunnel. Malcolm Sayer was an aircraft designer who calculated the ideal shapes.

I miss these legendary LeMans race cars from GRAN TURISMO 2, 4, 5, and FORZA MOTORSPORT 6, especially Audi R10 TDI from Yuu Takasaki, Audi R8 2001 from Kanata Konoe, Bentley Speed 8 from Mia Taylor, Peugeot 908 HDi FAP from Emma Verde and Karin Asaka and Sauber Mercedes C9 from Ayumu Uehara...

I would consider 956 and 962C as the same car and thats totally the most dominant car in Le Mans. Not only for winning but at that years many teams choose 956/962 for racing in Le Mans.

Dodge Vioer didn’t make number 1 is crazy! I am happy you said this is opinion based.

@FormulaJonah

8 күн бұрын

Definitely a great car, however this is a list about dominant Le Mans cars that won Overall. The Viper only won its class.

I love the fact that they brought a NASCAR to Le Mans.

@danbert8

11 ай бұрын

It did amazingly well considering what it was designed for. Driving at night and in the rain and it managed to make a good showing!

I kind of feel like the McLaren F1 gtr could have had a mention, great video though

Not really the fastest or most dominant cars, but I've always had a soft spot for the '98 season.. The Mercedes CLK-LM, Nissan R390 GT1, Mclaren F1 GTR Longtail and Porsche 911 GT1 are still 4 of my all time favorite LM cars to date..

The peugeot 905 evo1b was phenomenal

@FormulaJonah

Ай бұрын

Agreed

Small correction, the GT40 Mk I never actually won at le mans. The Mk II is what won all those races. It had the 427 ci.

The R18 looks so menacing and mean wow

The Peugeot 905 is still a Group C, the last le mans race to feature Group C cars was 1994

I am pleased that you included the Alfa and Jaguars...but you ignored the FIRST dominant marque in LeMans history - the Bentleys of WO Bentley in the 1920s-1930. They decimated the competition, including cars from Bugatti, Chrysler (!) and Mercedes Benz. And the same Speed Six won in both 1929 and 1930!

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Well I didn’t Ignore them, rather there were cars on my list that I feel were more dominant then the others. From 1923-1939 (pre war) the cars that dominated were the Alfa Romeo 8c 2300 LM, and Bentley Speed Six. Alfa was incredibly dominant and matched with my specifications for analyzation of this list. Bentley was dominant but with different cars and there were other cars on my list that were slightly more dominant.

I might be biased, but the C6.R won 5 times between 2005 and 2011 and I believe that this chassis deserves to be on the list. Given the cars on this list currently, it seems hard not to put it in the top 3. Thoughts?

6:51 The GT40 Mk.I was the one with aero issues that didn’t finish in 1964 and 1965, the GT40 Mk.II was the one who won in 1966

@not_even_me5035

11 ай бұрын

Yeah and he when he said we were looking at a mk1, he showed a mk 2.

@alexjenner1108

11 ай бұрын

The original Ford GT/GT40 had aero issues, but after some modifications it was a lot better and was the car that won in 1968 and 1969. The Ford GT40 Mk II was just a development of the GT40 Mk I with a bigger engine and the video could have just combined GT40 Mk I and GT40 Mk II together. The GT40 Mk was a different car however.

I cannot disagree with anything here that's obviously a very well thought out of and knowledgeable list Did not realize that the Porsche 956 was even more successful than the 917 Surprise there were no Ferraris on the list As an aside I think the book go like hell was fascinating about the Ford/Ferrari war What I found interesting was it the decision to put the 427 into the GT 40 was done over the objections of team manager John Wyer and was a decision of the Ford board of directors Perhaps the GT 40 mark lV would've had more prominence and they not changed the engine displacement rules the following year

The 917 is in my opinion the most beautiful car of all time although I wouldn’t wanna race her in the 24 hrs if I appreciated my life 😂

Would have been nice if he actually included any of the lower class vehicles that dominated like GT3 or GT2

I honestly thought that I would see the Mazda 787B or the Toyota GT-One, but it's ok, I know that they weren't dominant. Cool video, tho

I think the Audi R15+ TDI should have made the list for apart from winning the 2010 24h of Le Mans it set the Record for: Longest Distance: (5410.713 km) Most Laps Raced: (397) Highest avg. Race speed by a winner: (225.228 km/h)

interestingly the 917ls were even faster than the Ks at Le Mans, but always had reliability problems

Personally I believe that the Peugeot 908 deserves a spot on here, because (if I got my history right) it took a big 1-2-3 victory at their home French race. But the it’s 905 predecessor is a respectable pick, especially since it won the race twice. EDIT: I take it back, it was in the honourable mentions. 😅

@luscorpio3679

11 ай бұрын

To be honest I'd have the 908 over the 905 on the list because the 905 won during a dark period for Endurance Racing and the Le Mans 24h and the competition was almost non-existent by the time they won

@user-kf6oy1gq8v

7 ай бұрын

@@luscorpio3679totally agree

@stratosthomadakis5675

4 ай бұрын

Just a correction AloneRacecar,The 908 in 2009 took first and second,and audi third in the 24 hours of le man

962 fastest speed was 244mph with a tow down the straight and the boost turned up, speeds come from porsche AG they have a book that published this number

In my opinion you had a miss when talking about the Fords. The winning 1967 GT40 MKIV driven by Dan Gurney/A.J. Foyt drove more miles then the '66, '68 & '69 GT 40's. They also had the record lap that also stood till '70. The car used the 427FE(7.0L) V-8(which the '66 car had) & the engine & all components could be purchased by any racer over the counter from any Ford Dealership. The car also won the LeMans 'Index of Efficiency' award for speed & fuel economy. The Gurney/Foyt car finished 5 laps ahead of the 2nd place 4.0L Ferrari 330P4. It could've been a Ford 1-2 but the rear bodywork of the #2 McLaren/Donahue MK IV blew off on the Mulsanne straight at 9:45 Sunday morning. McLaren was driving & stopped in the pits for tools & duct tape. He drove back to retrieve the bodywork & by himself, per LeMans regulations, w/ cars screaming by at +180 mph, he had to locate the bodywork onto the frame mounts well enough to get him back to the pits. The #2 car finished 4th. Both cars were built by Shelby-American. There were two other MKIV's built by Holman-Moody but both had miscues that resulted in accidents.

I’m surprised the Porsche GT3 isn’t at least honorable mention. It’s a great car for teams to race in the gt class and it’s been racing for 2 decades now. While other manufacturers come and go the GT3 is there every year

Good video.

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

So, in the general opinion. The Renault Alpine 442 and the BMW V12 LMR fall into the "they came, they saw, they conquered" category. Does that not make them all time greats?

@FormulaJonah

11 ай бұрын

Both are definitely amazing cars, but they haven’t really dominated Le Mans like others have. Let’s take the BMW for example, Toyota and Mercedes had the fastest car but both were involved in unfortunate circumstances, and BMW was just more reliable and consistent. Plus the car only raced in one Le Mans. In this particular instance they would fall into the success range, but not dominance range.