Playing Serrated Arrows just to meet a set quota? Homelands couldn't have been *that* bad! Here, there's a list of cards online, let me- ...oh. Oh dear.

@zackkelley2940

6 ай бұрын

It really is. The most notable cards are Merchant Scroll (sorcery speed tutor for blue instants/sorceries), Koskun Falls (Propaganda but black), and Didgeridoo (a minotaur tribal piece). After that it drops off.... and drops HARD.

@javierpatag3609

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@zackkelley2940Autumn Willow too. Before there were Slippery Bogles, there was _her._ And unlike Bogles, she was already beefy and thus harder to remove.

@MABfan11

6 ай бұрын

makes me wonder how a Homelands format would look like...

@dasuberkaiser6

6 ай бұрын

@@zackkelley2940 You had a memory lapse and forgot about Memory Lapse.

@bluedestiny2710

6 ай бұрын

Honestly, there were a few (emphasis of few) cards from Homelands that were halfway decent Zackkelley2940 presented a list, here are some more that I saw actually see some real action: - Truce: W2 Sorcery that allows each player to draw 2 cards. For each card they dont draw, they gain 2 life. This is good for White Aggro Decks that go wide because they need any way to reload their hand - Eron the Relentless: RR3, 5/2, Haste, RRR Regenerate. It's usually used as a finisher by Red Aggro decks... and that regenerate does make it harder to kill most of the time. - Apocalypse Chime: 2, Artifact. 2, tap, sacrifice Chime, destroy all permanents from the Homelands Expansion. Yea... its... a dumb card... but it made it in sideboards thanks mainly to Ishan Shade and Autumn Willow. Both these cards are real win-cons that were hard to deal with... and the Chime provided universal sweeper that can get rid of those cards, something decks like Blue and Red severely lack. - Spectral Bears: G1, 3/3, when this card attacks, if defending player does not control a black permanent, it does not untap during your next untap step. Its an above rate card, and even today its still a pretty good rate. That drawback is real, tho, so its still used sparingly - Primal Order: GG2 Enchantment. During each player's upkeep, this card deals X Damage to them, where X = number of non-basic lands they control. I think this is one of the very few cards from that set that has gotten better ... esp now that everyone and their mothers run a critical mass of non-basics and... yea... that's pretty much all i can think of I am a little surprised tho, that 2 cards: Feroz's Ban and Willow Priestess hasnt been abused by... anything yet. The Ban is a 6 mana artifact that increases the mana cost of all creature spells by 2... and the Priestess' 1st ability allows you to tap it to sneak any Fairy permanent from hand to play. Is it bec of their mana cost (priestess cost GG2 for a 2/2 btw)

The Red/Green "terrible" Spiders deck that won a major tournament was because that tournament was Ice Age Block or something like that. Including a number of sets with very bad cards, and people were trying to win that format with bad versions of necropotence decks and aggro decks with little 2/2 first strike knights, which get owned all day by 2/3 spiders and stormbind :) Black and red also had a very hard time getting rid of enchantments at the time.

battle of wits is a treasure to the community and shall not take this slander!

@zackkelley2940

6 ай бұрын

Not legal but it can be a wincon in Claire D'Loon.

@ari_cool

6 ай бұрын

@@zackkelley2940 what?

@zackkelley2940

6 ай бұрын

@@ari_cool Essentially a silver border card from the recent unfinity set. Not technically legal in any format but you could run it as a commander (with Battle of Wits in the 99) if everyone involved is ok with it. Normally tokens are NOT cards but her ability says that they are now cards. This means they stick around in your graveyard, can be shuffled into your library, etc.

@ari_cool

6 ай бұрын

@@zackkelley2940 that’s super cool

Ironclaw Orcs - what specifically made it good is that it was a 2drop. In one of the first decks that actually cared about the mana curve. Earlier decks would often just play the best cards and don’t worry about having nothing to do in the first few turns. Mono red Sligh however wanted to play the best available spell at every mana value and for 2, that happened to be Ironclaw Orcs.

The AUDACITY to use battle of wits as the thumbnail

@PinoyBoyRuss

6 ай бұрын

What's wrong with that

@essential67

3 ай бұрын

Need more than 240-250 card in your deck. And in commander, you only have 99.

Serrated arrows still sees pauper play in a deck that runs a bunch of proliferation spells. You can proliferate the counters on it, as well as the - 1/-1 counters you place on creatures making it a really good removal tool in that specific deck

@darcytucker416

6 ай бұрын

That's far too complicated in place of casting a doom blade.

@mve753

6 ай бұрын

@@darcytucker416 kind of seems like it but infinitely repeatable removal is kind of nice

@baconsir1159

6 ай бұрын

Sees play in specifically poison storm/control, whatever you want to call that deck. Since they’re proliferating both the counters on arrows and the -1/-1 counters (usually multiple times a turn), it’s more efficient than you’d think. It being colorless also works well with Everflowing Chalice.

@atriumgamesmore4336

4 ай бұрын

See yah, I was thinking that, hell, my goofy ass was thinking it'd be funny to run in a casual commander game with Vorinclex

@baconsir1159

4 ай бұрын

@@darcytucker416 Cast Down*

in the early days of mtg, the popular decks were white weenie or black weenie - serrated arrows gave you a way to get around protection creatures such as knight of stromgald that your mono white deck was dead to

undiscovered paradise also can make you get to 8 cards in hand and discard a dredger

@jefffrederick258

6 ай бұрын

I’ve seen it quite a bit in land matters commander decks.

@shyumby

6 ай бұрын

@@jefffrederick258 they should play ghost town, perfect with burgeoning

I had to look up the deck list for Red-Green Spiders, and if the deck I found is correct, the only way it could have won is through complacency of the opponent. All of the cards (such as those listed in the video, Orcish Cannoneers, and Storm Shaman) are...kinda bad but fine, so most opponents wouldn't bother wasting their counter magic/removal on those and save it for the real threats, only for the real threats to never come. Their hubris becomes their downfall.

@goldenarmour7975

6 ай бұрын

They played against one too many unsuspecting blue players.

@RobotDCLXVI

6 ай бұрын

Use the garbage to pitch to stormbind to clear the way for deadly insect. 4 hits is all you need. That's how it won. If opponent didn't draw non targeted removal in time, gg. My guess is that non targeted removal wasn't common in that standard format.

@goldenarmour7975

6 ай бұрын

@@RobotDCLXVI why did they include the baubles? is it to get to deadly insect?

@CrunchSlamchest

4 ай бұрын

@@goldenarmour7975 Green didn't really have the ways to search for creatures that it does now, so we relied on "thinning the deck" to increase the chance of hitting the big drops. 4 of each artifact essentially turned your deck into 52 cards, giving you better odds (or so the logic went)

@CharlesLeeRay812

29 күн бұрын

​@@RobotDCLXVI Pyroclasm and Wrath of God were about the only answer to deadly insect in standard at the time.

Undiscovered paradise is sure worse today, but during the time of its printing, there are very few cards that would produce mana of any color. Even two color lands are rare back then

@brianschmitzer6722

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, they were several decks that wanted UP.. It was almost broken in decks like 5C Green, for instance. Giving access to all colors AND working around Winter Orb was a big deal.

@dstreetz91

6 ай бұрын

Yeah pretty sure it was ran in a block deck too. Prosbloom. Mirage block had the original fetchlands, but they entered tapped though amusingly they were still used with brainstorm in extended when necropotence was legal. I don't recall what other lands mirage block even has though I remember tempest block having enter the battlefield tapped painlands, now THOSE can burn.

Undiscovered paradise, as far as I know, has never seen play in vintage dredge. However, it’s seen a lot of play historically in Legacy dredge, for the reasons you mentioned

@ethanhopper2467

6 ай бұрын

It did see play in vintage dredge in like 2014 afaik

@dstreetz91

6 ай бұрын

It was definitely in vintage dredge at one point when they ran bloodghast. The thing about dredge is that undiscovered paradise is perfect for it. You almost never need more than 1 mana for the deck because your sideboard of artifact, enchantment, and creature removal to get rid of annoyances will be 0 or 1 mana at most. Only time you played 2 mana spells in dredge was in extended in the mid 2000's because of the lack of options compared to vintage and legacy where you had people casting life from the loam and tolarian winds.

Not me, thinking of using Undiscovered Paradise in my Landfall Commander deck.

@GhostandHorseAnimation

6 ай бұрын

Same. With exploration and Asuza I don't always have multiple lands to be dropping. That's a guaranteed late game drop

Ihsan’s Shade was also cast early very easily with Dark Ritual. Mono-black decks could get it out on turn 2-4 using Rituals

@robmitchell3039

6 ай бұрын

Isahn's Shade was also very good because between being black, pro white, and 5/5, it was almost immune to targeted removal of the time. It was a very good top end finisher in its day.

@dstreetz91

6 ай бұрын

Yeah this was a time where people feared turn 2 dark rit into juzam's djinn because it was a 5/5 beater that most removal couldn't answer outside of swords. Ihsan's shade was just a little pricier, but protection from white meant it could only really be answered by countermagic or a 2 for 1 like double bolt.

@soarel325

6 ай бұрын

@@robmitchell3039 I didn't mention that stuff because it was already covered in the video

@robmitchell3039

6 ай бұрын

@@soarel325 I commented before I got to that part.😀

I’m pretty sure that even without the 5 cards quotum, Serrated Arrows is a card decks wanted to play, at least SB, because of the 2/1 protection pump knights that were quite prevalent during that time. It’s far from bad in the perspective of that era, which is how these cards should be assessed I guess (otherwise by today’s standards almost everything would be bad). Now, cards like Lantern of Insight or Codex Shredder would seem to fit the description much better because they are actually almost useless unless you have a very specific plan with them.

@dstreetz91

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I think serrated arrows even saw some standard play when it was reprinted in timespiral in 2006. Not a horrible card by any means, but by far the best card in homelands outside of merchant scroll though if you don't have blue instants arrows is at least useful.

more in depth video on Red Green Spider deck please! compare it against how the decks on the top 8 of that pro tour and other info

@gwendettax

6 ай бұрын

the green red spiders deck topped a pro tour where the format was ice age block constructed, which was a 2 set format featuring ice age and alliances, pretty much any potential deck that would have won that event would have recieved "shittiest deck to top a pro tour" looking through the card pool, the shitty spider deck was probably the strongest aggro strategy possible in the format, featuring lots of repeatable burn and trying to play 3 drops on 2 with fyndhorn elves while being amazingly positioned vs pretty much every other possible creature strategy by nature of lots of repeatable removal and being resilient to pyroclasm for potential red mirrors, unfortunately only 2 of the decklists have survived that i've been able to find, being the spiders deck and a 4 color control list that just got completely run over in finals, theres actually live footage of the match if you were to look through youtube which is cool kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y5V_sLJpocy2oso.html

@CharlesLeeRay812

29 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppemybCllszRfto.htmlsi=E4Flgf_geMX4hbdG

I wonder how often we get players who are so good at manipulation that they can turn any 'random discard from hand' into 'discard exactly what I need to discard at this time'. Also, it's weird to think but if MTG had kept the '5 cards from every set' rule for long enough and survived doing so, that would actually be regarded as a beloved quirk of the game today instead of raw greed. I think that says a lot about the playerbase.

Serrated Arrows was playable. I assure you. It offed 3 x/1's! With 1 card! That was nasty back then. I promise you! I was there!

I run Pyromancer's Goggles in my Big Mana Zaffai EDH deck. The initial cost is steep (in big mana what isn't) but once it hits the board it quickly starts pouring out value, especially with how many Izzet cards both remove and draw cards at the same time. One extra blue mana and an instant/sorcery discount can let it drop a double Prismari Command or Flame of Anor the same turn it's played, too.

i know poison is stronger but i feel like arrowheads wouldn’t be terrible in a proliferation deck, because you can proliferate the -1/-1 and the arrowhead counters

undiscovered paradise can be pitched to bazarr after it produces mana

Deadly insect is op when your opponents can't block it...good thing they'll never have a creature thanks to...STORMBIND!!! GOTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM

So, you said they had to play 5 cards from every set, right? Even if 4 copies of Serrated Arrows could count as 4 of those cards.... What other Homeland card(s) made it into decks by that rule? Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

@bluedestiny2710

6 ай бұрын

During it's time, Ishan's Shade (Black) was a real threat thanks to what Logs already mentioned in this video (prot from color, being black, big booty), so that's one Autumn Willow (Green) was a legitimate threat during that time: 6 mana for a 4/4 with Shroud that can be turned into Hexproof provided you paid 1 green mana in the turn you want to target her with spells, was unheard of during her time. She was a legit win-con for decks that love to slap her with auras Truce (White) was a sorcery for W2 that gave each player the option to draw 2 cards, or gain 2 life for each card they DONT draw. Not the best, but it does still help the White Aggro players reload their hand so its an option Eron the Relentless (Red) was a RR3 5/2 creature with Haste and RRR: Regenerate. This was used by red aggro to finish off opponents since that thing coming down usually meant the enemy has taken a beating already Merchant Scroll (Blue) was a U1 sorcery that allows you to tutor any Blue instant or sorcery ... till this day this card is still being used Memory Lapse (Blue) was a U1 instant (then it was an "interrupt) that counters a spell but returns on top of owner's deck instead of graveyard. Till fairly recently, the card has seen play thanks to its hard counter effect and it's flexible mana cost (unlike, say, Mana Leak where you can stop the leak if you had extra 3 mana, making it less useful in the late game), but im sure other newer counterspells have beaten it by now Spectral Bears (Green) was a G1 3/3 bear creature that, unless defending player controls a black permanent, does not untap as normal after declaring an attack. While that drawback is real, that rate is still pretty good and worth running by green aggro at the time. Apocalypse Chime (Artifact) was 2 mana artifact that you can pay 2, tap and sacrifice it to destroy all cards from the Homelands expansion. Yea, it's... pretty dumb, but it DID find its way into sideboards to deal with Ishan's Shade and Autumn Willow. It was mainly for players who have no access to mass sweeping spells. Those are all the cards I can think of...

@sagacious03

6 ай бұрын

Ah, nice! Thank you for such a greatly thorough answer!! Very fun read!@@bluedestiny2710

Top Yu-Gi-Oh card effects that would be broken in MTG. or vice Versa. If only we knew a YU-GI-OH KZreadr to help with it……

To add to what you've already said about Undiscovered Paradise: the card was actually run in Cadaverous Bloom decks as a way to fix their mana AND as additional ammo to the Bloom when you're ready to fire off your combos. Yea, it worked because decks were generally very slow at the time Also: 16:58 you called "Incinerate" as "Incarnate"

@felygu9268

6 ай бұрын

New to this channel? He always mispronounces stuff to get views.

@tempermen6032

6 ай бұрын

People come here for his mispronunciations? I thought it was just for the comments to boost algorithms. You gotta at least understand it and appreciate the strategy.

My cat learned something from this video. Thanks!

Any chance of an analysis of Phyrexian Dreadnought at some point (how to cheat it in, if it ever was viable, etc)?

I used to run Serrated Arrows in standard when shadowmoor came out. The popular decks in my area took advantage of persist, and if I couldn't afford to play with cool cards like Kitchen Finks and Glen Elandra Archmage, nobody else could... I also ran a few academy ruins I managed to trade into, so that made my deck way better than it had any right to be.

Arrows was a decent sideboard card for red based aggro in timespiral/lorwyn standard because it could answer multiple forge-tenders

I'm not sure how easy this would be to find out but I'm curious what card of each color has seen the most tournament play.

Used Fall of the Titans in Standard with an Izzet Prowess Deck with Monastery Swiftspear along with a bunch of one mana combat tricks like Slip through Space and Titan's Strength. Fall was a great finisher with its surge cost.

Paradise lost works really well in a landfall deck when you have green creatures that allow you to play multiple lands per turn. Kind of ensures that you'll get the trigger.

It's insane how homelands was such a bad set, that Wizards would release Coldsnap 11 years later to replace Homelands in the Ice Age block.

A solid use case for undiscovered paradise, in addition to the one given, is to splash an off color in your game-winning combo, especially one that untaps land. There is no life loss, so you can do it as many times as you want, and the downside only comes in the next turn, which you never plan to get to. Niche? Sure, but not terrible

as bad as some cards look, they seem to be absolutely great on paper. paradise obvious landfall deck. (especially low budged) goggles do sound great for a slower burn deck, especially boros.(i mean double magic, duh) and serrated arrows would pair so good with proliferate.

Serrated Arrows wasn’t that bad. Killed River Boas, Birds of Paradises and similar. Creatures were bad back then. Efficient big creatures didn’t exist. Lots of targets for arrows. And card advantage (up to 3:1) was priced high (4 mana). But then Cursed Scroll came. It was expensive chase rare back then. Better than arrows. But today even Cursed Scroll is unplayable in Legacy.

Serrated Arrows really was pretty decent back in the day, having the threat of a -1/-1 counter available any time could really mess with combat math and make every combat step a headache for your opponent. Not saying it was incredible by any means, but it was definitely useful.

I’m surprised the Battle of Wits never picked up a top 8 in Modern when Yorion came out

I watch a bit of content from the old school community (93/94 format) on KZread. Ironclaw Orcs does see some play from time to time, although mostly in further subcategories of the format that are even more limited in what cards you can play. Guess there aren't that many creatures to pick from at that point! 😅

I’ve played arrows in my Hapatra deck for years. It’s not the best, but when you need that one -1/-1 to get things going? It’s my best friend. Plus you can proliferate the arrow counters with other effects to keep it stocked up.

Its funny you mention standard only having 2 or 3 viable options for a given role, because with the new 3 year rotation, we have approximately 7 excellent board wipes and 675423835673 efficient removal spells. Don't even get me started on how stacked Golgari's 3 drop slot is at this point with Preacher, Glissa, Gix, Sentinel and even Tresspasser. Hopefully Wizards finds a solution that doesn't ruin limited.

The problem with Battle of Wits is that you can't really play it in a tournament. The tournament rules require you to be able to randomize your deck without assistance, and unless you can hold half your deck in each hand to do a mash shuffle, you're not going to be able to randomize it in a reasonable amount of time. Even if you do have freakishly large hands, the requirement of your opponent to shuffle your deck is still going to cause a problem.

Hey hey hey I won't stand for this disrespect for the spiders deck! XD

Serrated Arrows was actually quite good. It sniped X/1 creatures such as the Order of Ebon Hand/Order of Leitbur, Ball Lightning, and others which were prominent at the time. It is colorless and allowed for removal of protection creatures like the Orders and Knights. And it would never take three turns to kill something, it would follow up a chump block to get that last point of damage needed.

So Stormbind, the reason that deck did so well was the “garbage” cards stick a spider or 2 get Stormbind, then every card in you hand is a shock, 2 damage a turn that was unblockable for the decks it was running up against.

Nice recap :-)

Ihsan's Shade and Deadly Insect are great examples of "good" and "bad" being defined by context, not an evaluation un a vacuum. If everyone's playing targeted removal, having a card that's blanks them is very powerful.

I remember seeing battle of wits decks in person back in the day

5:37 "Can't jsut be"

Serrated arrows might be bad on paper, but the potential to completely screw up your opponents combat math and make them second guess and overthink every attack and block can easily win you the game. I've seen even the best players in the world sit there with their head in their hands for minutes at a time trying to think of all the possibilities. It's a mind fuck in card form.

This is my favorite question to ask people at an LGS.

😂Homie said “Incarnate” when talking about Incinerate

Amazing!

How about a long video about the best card or deck from each set/block?

The shit cards are exactly the "garbage" you want to pitch to Stormbind. That way, it only ever felt good to use it when you're holding onto 3 baubles 2 lodestones and a couple of bad creatures you weren't going to cast for decades anyway.

I have a copy of serrated arrows in my proliferate deck, that thing does so much heavy lifting, my group HATES that card. Especially when they're already dealing with a giant Hydra or 2. 😂😂

I'm glad you pointed out that people were forced to play Arrows XD

Battle of wits, lots of shadowborn apostles, 4 rune-scarred demons, and some rituals to rush out the apostles and wits isn't that bad of a deck. The problem is getting your hands on 100+ shadowborn apostles.

I'm perplexed with the red-green spiders deck. how does it win?

@Apanblod

5 ай бұрын

It doesn't.

I still love seeing the new Bloodghast art.

Wait wasnt pilgrim's eye an uncommon in battle for zendikar?

Undiscovered paradise is great with Landfall!

Rod of Ruin has always been trash but it saw use in Theros because red decks had no way to counter Master of Waves without it

Gotta find an Undiscovered Paradise for my Landfall decks. Played Ihsan's Shade on a deck with Kerrick, it's surprising to see how many decks get screwed in commander thanks to protection. Stormbind was a fine card to have in decks that could draw a bunch of cards (Like Tovolar werewolves) and could have leftover cards to pitch for additional damage, turning every card from your hand in a Shock wasn't exactly a weak ability. Ironclaw Orcs and all of its successor variants like Goblin Raider occupied the 2-mana slot for mono red aggro decks, I remember playing some of those cards in early decks until I got my hands on a playset of Blood Knight in Planar Chaos, that card looked absurdly powerful after a lifetime of mediocre 2-mana red critters. Pilgrim's eye is one of those cards that finds its way in many casual decks because it offers some much needed mana fixing for colors that aren't green, and the body has its uses too. And I remember using a full playset of Arrows in an old gree-blue casual deck I made from the older creature type the Spikes, a bunch of slug-like creatures that could bounce their +1/+1 counters around, the arrows were basically the only actual way to kill creatures in those two colors if they get past counterspells, not to mention that Arrows might have some uses in commander decks that use cards with Proliferate.

No mention of One With Nothing?

Honestly this is most of lantern control

I was expecting Vixxerdrix on the list, wasn't it put in sideboard of topping decks with no purpose except that people liked the card partially because how bad it was?

Cheating, the spider deck won by cheating, we had the same thing happen in some old Yu-Gi-Oh events Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one

Do Best Of/Worst Of lists for Worst/Best sets, respectively.

Paridice is great in field of the Dead decks

Man I miss the old phyrexian style

I'd say Ishan's Shade is a better card than Iron Claw Orcs

My favorite red card has always been Incarnate. ... ...Oh wait! You did that on purpose to have me comment, didn't you?

Lantern of Insight should definitely be on this list

@Leuber

6 ай бұрын

I was writing that at exactly the same time as you! 😂

@ugurcankarakas6554

6 ай бұрын

@@Leuber it was such a missed opportunity 😭

17:01 incinerate lol, not incarnate

Mono blue Knowledge pool.

I get that Magic is a much slower game than Yugioh, but how would you even get the mana to draw into one of four Battle of Wits, have enough to play it, and still have at least 200 cards in the deck by that point? I can't be the only one who thinks the Stormbind art looks like a screenshot from some 80s cartoon. Also, I don't know how to feel about someone winning an event with what sounds like a hilariously bad deck.

@PinkPajamas464

6 ай бұрын

Battle of Wits decks are usually built with 230-240 cards in their deck, so you have 30-40 cards to play with until Battle of Wits no longer works. You can stuff your deck full of cards that search for it, but more commonly it ends up being a secondary plan that your deck does somewhere around 5-10% of the time. The fact that you have such a high deckbuilding cost for a win condition that doesn't happen often, and also has a high mana cost, is what makes it not very good.

@zackkelley2940

6 ай бұрын

At least it's memorable, if nothing else.

@dstreetz91

6 ай бұрын

Yeah you mostly couldn't rely on BoW consistently as a wincon. Sure you had some tutors for it like enlightened tutor, but it's so much less likely to draw. IIRC someone on the SCG circuit ran battle of wits in legacy and got to put it into play off an opponents show and tell, but I could be wrong that was a long while ago. Shuffling that monstrosity of a deck makes my hands hurt just thinking about it.

Incarnate? It's Incinerate. Huge difference.

One With Nothing technically saw competitive play

There is more than 10 bad cards into mtg cards.

Goon?

17:01 “incarnate”

typo at 5:35

@Apanblod

5 ай бұрын

How do you spell jsut then?

Is this a serious video? You can't fairly assess card power unless you consider the specific time that the card was released and used. Serrated Arrows was bonkers, especially in monowhite or monoblack against opposite color pump knights which had protection against your color (Order of Leitbur, for example). It was colorless removal, which was practically nonexistent at that point (other than Aeolipile). It also wrecked Ball Lightning. Ironclaw Orcs were a fine 2 drop in early sligh since the creature pool was so limited. Stormbind was played in aggro decks that dumped their hand and could then turn every land drawn into 2 damage. It was nuts. There's literally no way to argue that these cards were bad in the time period that they were released and played.

How did One With Nothing miss this list?

@joshuathies2540

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think dude has been in the magic scene very long

In - SIN - ERATE

why are you lying about pilgrim's eye, in zendikar return they reprinted it at uncommon

None of these cards are bad objectively. They're all good in the right deck. As an example, one of my primary goals in the game is to not take damage. In formats like Commander(multiplayer or 1v1), a card like Undiscovered Paradise enables a more flexible mana base that doesn't get sacrificed or deplete, and allows me to get key things off early, to where I'd have to wait otherwise. Great for 3+ color decks that don't want to sacrifice life. Also super bad to use damage and life loss cards when you're playing a card that hurts you more from that life loss(ie. Lich's Mastery). None of these cards are bad, they're just not the most effecient possible cards, therefore they're labeled "bad".

@fernandobanda5734

6 ай бұрын

What card is bad "objectively"? Almost every card with any text is going to have weird situations where it's "good" and the only way to say a card is good or bad is to compare it with others.

@BoyGamer100

6 ай бұрын

@@fernandobanda5734 That was part of my point. The only thing I could think of are useless cards with old mechanics that don't work anymore, but that's it. Every card is useful somewhere. There are however, objectively worse cards to play. Like in Legacy or Vintage, playing a cancel over a Counterspell, mana drain, or force of negation/will. But, in Standard, Historic, etc., Cancel is the default Counterspell that counters everything and is used. It's just a worse pick in some formats, but not "bad".

@fernandobanda5734

6 ай бұрын

@@BoyGamer100 My point is saying "These cards aren't bad" does nothing for these kind of top videos. If every card is equally defensible, then we really can't say anything.

@ich3730

6 ай бұрын

@@BoyGamer100 Being worse then the majority of options is considered "being bad" by most english speaking humans. Do you really not understand what we mean when we say "One with nothing is a bad card" ?

@BoyGamer100

6 ай бұрын

​@@fernandobanda5734 Exactly. That's why things like this annoy me. I'm also annoyed because these cards aren't even really bad. There's far worse that could be on this list.

lol serrated arrows was good, what you talking bout

Calling Undiscovered Paradise a bad card is kind of funny