Timo Boll once won a poll in china about the "world's most attractive athlete". Runner-up was David Beckham. That shows how popular he is there.

You divide all Ma Long's achievements by 2 and he is still the GOAT.

@keekengho-jq1qe

4 ай бұрын

nope he aint even no divide. way off if compared to barna.. not in same class. get facts right.

@markbantz9699

3 ай бұрын

@@keekengho-jq1qewinning counts,not poinion!

@keekengho-jq1qe

3 ай бұрын

@@markbantz9699 yes barna won more in case u havent realise.

@traytyler9951

3 ай бұрын

@@keekengho-jq1qehe didn’t win more he won more worthless tourment and the bum couldn’t even win a grand slam(can’t even be in the argument if you didn’t win grand slam) Ma long achievements are leagues above and he didn’t play in a trash era He also played in a dogshit era where he played farmers. Literally no one even knows this guy and he barely had a wiki page cause he is a nobody who played in the farmer era

@traytyler9951

3 ай бұрын

@@keekengho-jq1qe barna didn’t win more your dumbass can’t count right 😂

Timo above Wang Hao and Ma Lin ? In terms of achievement and advancing the techniques that is pure puzzling

@edwardlee1010

Жыл бұрын

Agree, Wang Hao represented China in the Olympic Games three times and won three silver Medals in singles. Xu Xin didn’t even represent China in singles once.

@user-gx4gl8fl4e

9 ай бұрын

Agree, Wan Hao and Ma lin are much better than Timo Boll and Xu Xin, and they achievements are much greater.

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

Yep this one I agree with. Timo does have the longevity you have to give him that. But no major achievements and Wang and ma lin were unique players while Boll is just good.

@listrahtes

3 ай бұрын

​@@x0cx102 Boll "just good" is quite funny statement seeing his unique touch andcondtant redevelopment of his own style. Just won a tournament again not only winning but in parts dominating 3 top players 😂. The only player ever for China to use him as a carbon copy in developing their stars.

@sorinpopa7489

Ай бұрын

I think the same, Timo Boll should be higher ranked on this list,,,

Ma Lin and Wang Hao should be definitely headed of xu xin (xin never won a major!! But still great player to watch)

Honorable mention: Jörgen Persson

Well for MaLong the reason why he has this record is his hunger for a win always in every game, which the Chinese regards as "playing like giving it your all is a sign of respect to the opponent" and also his ability to adjust in every situation on/before and after each match is what his personal coach Qin improve in him. That's why I adore his mentality that much, the Dragon/Dictator/Dominator mentality I'd say. 💪💪💪 I'll definitely miss him if he retires 😭

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

Finally some sentiments I share.

@QenaitheCustodianGuard

6 ай бұрын

He was unreal, for national reasons I support Waldner, but MaLong is undoubtedly the greatest of all time.

@bryanwells4063

5 ай бұрын

his mentality and his tactical game. He finds the opponents weakness and adapts to everything

@mediaBarbosaN

Ай бұрын

Jesus Christ loves you and died for your sins, everyone sins and deserves hell but Jesus (God) died for our sins paying the price of them, believe that and be Saved

Xu xin is not a table tennis player, he is a artist

Wang hao and Ma lin are to low ? Boll and Xu are to high and thats coming from an Xu xin fan

Jiang Jialiang? ;) I agree with everything else. :D Great video.

If it about achievements Timo Boll should be after Ma Lin and Wang Hao.

A good list. As all such lists this is also not free from bias. The criterias should be known. E.g. where is FZD? I really like XX, he was particularly impressive in Team and pair competitions. Though he is even quasy retired does not match the record of Xiaopang as indiviual player.

For me, Xu Xin is the number one, with his brilliant, playful and effortless style, maybe the Capablanca of table tennis. 😂😅

Waldner is the greatest for me among these amazing athletes. He looked moving slower than others and a little overweighted. But the ball was allways where he was. He kept the opponents running. I love his style.

@yutuberboy

6 ай бұрын

MA LONG WOULD DOMINATE HIM FOR SURE

@thehoogard

6 ай бұрын

@@yutuberboy Dominate? Hardly. He'd probably win, but what a game (assuming both were in their prime and neglecting differences in rules and equipment etc).

@QenaitheCustodianGuard

6 ай бұрын

​@@yutuberboycalm down fanboy.

@Hokuto4life

6 ай бұрын

@@yutuberboy I don't think so, ma long is just a machin, i as no the talent and the vision of waldner, ma long is just a product of chinese player factory, i don't as the crazy touch of wladner or koki niwa.

@12Trappor

6 ай бұрын

Waldner in his prime was very far from overweight...

Dude, you list cannot miss Zhuang Zedong, the three time world champion from 1961 to 1965. At the time there were no World Cups, no Olympics, and no Asian Cups, so the world championship is the highest achievement in table tennis. If you argue that the his victories over Lee Furong were fixed, I recognize that point, but you have to make your case in the video as a footnote. In my opinion, he's in the top 10 somewhere as he was still the most dominant player in his time regardless.

@ylong5697

Жыл бұрын

Technically, world champion is currently the highest achievement in table tennis as well.

@vincentcapitaine9117

4 ай бұрын

Same for Guo Yuehua, 2 times world champion 1981/1983, Jian Jialiang, 2 times world champion 1985/1987... Viktor Barna, 5 times world champion in the 1930' It seems Table Tennis Central does not know well table tennis history. Are those champions behind Timo Boll who has never been world champion or olympic champion? (world cup value is much more less!)

Not a fan of Ma Long but he is the goat … at least until 2022.. Fan seems in a good way to become the next one

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

The next one but sorry until Fan surpasses Mas accomplishments and gets his grand slam he won't even be better than Waldner

@magisterialanubis06

23 күн бұрын

i doubt fan will have the stats of ml the way its going. WCQ has a chance tho

How come no one mentioned Jiang Jia Liang ?? Guo Yue Hua ?? Dont think they are worst off than those listed. (A period certain people wanted to forget?)

@Buscandolasantidad6318

9 ай бұрын

Así es Guo Yue Hua fue subcampeon mundial en 1977 y en 1979 y campeón mundial en 1981 y 1983, es decir estuvo en 4 finales seguidas

Waldner is my goat

Waldner is the Maradona of table tennis. No one has more flair, skill and unpredictability. Ma Long might have won the most, but Waldner is the one who reminds me why I love table tennis.

@gustavoromero277

11 ай бұрын

Messi (1), no Maradona (2). Y soy argentino.

@beorlingo

9 ай бұрын

Pelé would be the most accurate comparison.

@alwynkesen4721

7 ай бұрын

Who do you think Waldner or Ma Long will win if they play each other in their prime?? 😂😂 See how table tennis has evolved, the level is totally different now a days. Even the top 10 guys of this generation can beat Waldner prime . And for Ma Long to stay in top level for such a long in this competitive world is truly remarkable. Just compare the opponent of Waldner's days and Ma Long days, you'll understand it if you know table tennis.The technique, movement, reflexes, consistency, accuracy etc etc are way ahead and better than Waldner's days yet Ma Long never failed to dominate. I don't think Waldner can withstand Ma Long's forehand anyway. The game was slow during those days, now it's totally different.

@keyboardman307

7 ай бұрын

Just becuz u r old😂

@gragbogdan5084

7 ай бұрын

​@@alwynkesen4721увы , может и выиграли бы Валднера, но теннис сейчас быстрый и скучный, Валднер и его поколение навсегда лучшие.

Zhang Jike was unbeatable for a while. Amazing player

where is Forest Gump?

@pongbond9761

2 ай бұрын

He us beyond legend as he is god of Ping-Pong.

The stats pf ma long are so damn unreal

Yo creo que todos estamos de acuerdo que el mas grande de todos los tiempos es Ma Long y el segundo Jan Ove Waldner, el resto no le podría dar un orden, pero hay varios que me faltaron como Sansonov, Schlaguer y Fan Zhendong, obviamente los otros nombrados Malin, wang Liquin, Xu Xin, liu guoliang, jan giliang, timo bol, kong lingui, wang hao... y proximamente se tendran que agregar wang chuquin y harimoto.

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

Finally, a sensible comment about the true goat. I don't think harimoto is anywhere close though and wcq also is too young

Looool xu xin and what about Kong lingui?

Table tennis underwent a major change in the 1970's with the "atomic" speed of play and a variety of trick serves. Therefore, Ogimura is woefully out of place in this ranking regardless of his titles. In most sports, the "best of" lists should be segmented into 2-3 time periods for the purpose of objectivity, reflecting the improvements in the sport.

@QenaitheCustodianGuard

6 ай бұрын

100% agree this is an issue in every sport, saying that Gretzky is a greater hockey player than Crosby outside of records on paper is silly. The sports evolve so much, speed, training, analytics etc. Something like Legacy, modern and contemporary categories would satisfy me pretty well.

Didn't the extend the net width cos of jonyer?

Ma long is the true Goat. He has all the skills necessary to win, finesse, speed, unpredictability, ability to read opponent weakness, adaptation, scope, and powerful accurate hit. Thats why he won the most top worldclass tournaments by far. WINNING is NOT EVERYTHING, it is the ONLY THING. Thats why MA LONG is obviously the undisputed GOAT.

And Ma Long is this year team world champion in Busan and winner of simple Wordl Cup in Macao !

The era in which table tennis had played to 21 points to win a set is better than nowadays

@gragbogdan5084

7 ай бұрын

Согласен на все 100% , больше драмы и красивой разнообразной игры, щас мощь и скорость, скучно.

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

Nope, totally wrong

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

How old are you, 65? Lol you know nothing about the game

I very much agree with your list. At first I came in with a suspicious mind about how fair your list would be, but when I gave some thought about it, that’s pretty much the top 10. Even though I am not a fan of some of the players, but I agree they should make it to the top 10 given how much they contributed to table tennis 🏓

@frankdevries5739

10 ай бұрын

Jorgen Persson did more than Timo Boll

@KaxMisha

6 ай бұрын

No, it most certainly isn't. How is Xu Xin in there at all? Where is Kong Linghui and how is Liu Guoliang ahead of him? And where are Guo Yuehua, Jiang Jialing and Zhuang Zedong? This list is a bad joke.

1. Ma Long - really undebatable at this point: double grand slammer, most men’s world tour titles etc. 2. Jan Ove Waldner - Perhaps the most beautiful table tennis player to watch and absolutely dominant in his era. 3. Zhang Jike - I still don’t think any table tennis player has been better than prime Zhang Jike (2010-2014), 4. Fan Zhedong - Six-time major champion (5 world cups/WTTs, 1 world championship), this one is a no brainier for me. Will likely go down as the greatest when his career is over. 5. Ma Lin - The pen hold God and 5-time major champion, which was the record for a long time. 6. Wang Hao - The most technically sound player on this list in my opinion, but didn’t quite have the physical gifts or mental game that those higher than him did. 7. Liu Guoliang - A step above his doubles partner Kong Linghui, he’s a a more successful player outside of the majors while also being a grand slam champion. 8. Wang Liqin - Three time world champion, the most prestigious major. Also possessed the most dangerous forehand in the history of the game. 9. Kong Linghui - A grand slam champion who is slightly overshadowed by others to win the award. 10. Zhuang Zedong - Three time world champion in a time when it was the only major. Absolutely dominant in his era. Hard pick over the honourable mentions but I had to go with him. Honourable Mentions to Xu Xin, Timo Boll, Vladimir Samsonov, Richard Bergmann, Viktor Barna, Ichiro Ogimura and Toshiaki Tanaka

@robertberneda6538

Жыл бұрын

Nice top 10, but I think Fan Zhendong is too hight because he didn't win any Olympic and only 1 WTTC. Anyway, I believe he will be top 3 in history in a future for sure. I also miss some players like Ryu Seung-min, Jörgen Persson or Philippe Gatien (maybe not top 10, but honorable mentions)

@nl5455

Жыл бұрын

What accolades have Jan Ove Waldner achieved? He's the only person in your top 10 where you did not describe his title wins/accomplishments, despite being very high (number 2) in your list.

@robertberneda6538

Жыл бұрын

@@nl5455 he's 2 times world champion, Olympic champion and European champion (singles)

@sidneysun3865

Жыл бұрын

Guo Yuehua, the original Liu Guoliang. Cai Zhenhua, the master of trickery.

@edwardlee1010

Жыл бұрын

I agree that Xu Xin and Timo Boll should not be in top 10, neither of them has won as many singles titles as the rest of the players on the list. And base on this criteria, it is clear that ZJK is the second best player of all time. Waldner couldn’t match JZK in terms of titles, records and influence. And I very much agree that not even Prime Ma Long can defeat ZJK in his prime.

Zhang Jike is super underrated, he might’ve not been the best but he definitely had the potential to be the best considering the amount of competition during his time. Too bad he’s now wrapped up in a whole controversy with his gambling debt and ex girlfriend.

Ma Long tiene más logros deportivos, pero Jan Ove es lo más grande de la historia, su estilo es incomparable!!

@philt77

7 ай бұрын

Agrred. He was funny too and so cool. And his blocks!

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

@@philt77 yeah and ma long has grace and elegance, and has probably the best forehand ever in the game. So no, waldner is no longer widely regarded as the goat.

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

Waldner had great style but the game evolves and play changes. Waldner wouldn't do so well in the modern era.

Where is Fan Zhendong?

@falcon-9335

Жыл бұрын

in terms of the totality of awards, he is not worthy to be there

@jinghairen7470

Жыл бұрын

@@falcon-9335 he is a rising champion

@falcon-9335

Жыл бұрын

@@jinghairen7470 and they are no longer

Phen xendong's stars are shining... He is one to be in the updated list in future

@kim2388

7 ай бұрын

Who is that 😂

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

@@kim2388 who is kim2388 😂🤣

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

@@kim2388 he means fan zhendong

Viktor Barna; 5 times singles world champion? He can deserve to be in top 10, right?

@sidneysun3865

Жыл бұрын

If you count the old legends, the top 10 bar is very high.

@vincentcapitaine9117

4 ай бұрын

Table Tennis Central does not know table tennis history...

Where are Fan Zhedong and Vladimir Samsonov?

@frostypeace6848

10 ай бұрын

Ahlie they r way better

@jeremynicolas9046

Ай бұрын

11 and 12 😂

Xu Xin ranked above Liu Guoliang??? u gotta be kidding

A good performance

Nice! If it's a skill level rank, I'd take out the old player and place Kong Ligui instead. If it's for how representative they are, it may be ok. And if it's on titles, Xu Xin shouldn't be there and Kong Ligui should!

The great Jimmy O Neill who won an unparalleled EIGHTEEN Irish open singles TT titles in the 90s and 2000s should be undoubtedly on this list.

Always a bit confused by videos with lots of footage that has been found and put together, but then an AI voice reading. I would think it easier to record spoken text than to find footage and edit it.

What about zhang jk? he win 2 time in 2011 Paris and rotterdam

JEAN-MICHEL SAIVE ❤

Xu xin, zhang jike and timo boll shouldn’t be over wang hao and Ma lin in my opinion. Globally okay with the rest of the ranking.

Was ist mit Werner Schlager Gewinner 2003? Samsunov? Beide wohl international erfolgreicher als Timo in ihrer Zeit.

xu xin No5 Timo boll No7 and Wang hao No10? i don't agree at all

Big mistake to miss the classic Hungarian Idol players like, Jonyer, Gergely, Klampar, the one and only Greek Kreanga, the Belarus Samsonov, the French Gatien and so on … you know what mean … :)

For me Waldner is #1, not necessarily for how good he was, but how special. There's a reason for that nickname. He played the ball like Mozart played the violin. Absolute magic. All those Chinese stars you've got today, like Fan Zhendong and Ma Long are awesome, sure. They're very fast and very powerful, but they don't have the same ball-manipulating sorcery Waldner had.

I really like Xu Xin but how can he be in the top 10?

@lucashamilton151

11 ай бұрын

He masters not only MS but also MD & XD. He ranks 7th as players with most gold medals at WCH, and 3rd in open era after Ma Long & Wang Liqin.

@dmitryfinkel3733

Ай бұрын

This is not a competition of titles and medals, but a competition of styles, innovations and love of fans.

Ma long and Waldner are no brainer for N0 1 and N0 2, but anyone else is debatable. Fan ZheDong is on path to one of the top 3.

@hokeekeng2166

Жыл бұрын

waldner is 2 is debatable.

@guggenator1241

Жыл бұрын

@@hokeekeng2166 nah

@hokeekeng2166

Жыл бұрын

@@guggenator1241?

@guggenator1241

Жыл бұрын

@@hokeekeng2166 how is he debatable when he’s was seen as the goat untill Ma Long came

@hokeekeng2166

Жыл бұрын

​@@guggenator1241 Malong came but he did not past. Waldner & his various compatriots teach and share to the Chinese and they copied including the rest of their generation and beyond how shakehand is played. That is how shakehand in China came into existence as main style of play. In case you haven't realise, when u buy a racket at any shop u can order a chinese penhold bcos it is representative of chinese play but there is no chinese shakehand being named bcos it is a European style historically since the game inception in London. Thus it is also not a chinese country ball bcos it is founded in England. Meanwhile, in a broader perspective, the world follow the shakehand style started from Waldner and compatriots. So if Malong and etc are learning and benefiting from Waldner act of kindness. How does it make him great. last but not least, if his fans are not humble enough to recognise the fact, so Malong had did the game a disservice and bring a bad name to the game. So above being said, believe not only debatable but it is abundantly clear who is 1. Not a fan of anyone but stating the correct facts. Wonder what Malong or etc before him have ever done to the global game other than sharing how many cups or double they have got etc etc. Winner dont need brag as it is evident in record and can be avilable via a click. But one thing clear is the first ever person who win the olympic and world champ is not Malong or any of their compatriots. Even the 1st olympic was not as well. Wonder did they elevate the game globally or make it a poorer game in the world ?? Somehow believe inclining to the latter.

Timo boll is my inspiration❤

You can't always be the best with tournament counter. I think Ma Lin is the best of all the players on the list.

@seyyah4550

8 ай бұрын

Yes it is correct. But after waldner.😉

@aubertducharmont

7 ай бұрын

True.

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

@@seyyah4550 ha, wrong. Imagine still thinking waldner is the goat in this day

Wang Hao and Ma Lin should both be much higher in this list.

I miss Jiang Jialiang, Gatien, Person, Stellan Bengston. Whats that for a list ????

Hi, well - not to list Fan Zhendong seems unfair to me.

No Kong Linghui?

Fan zendong, Persson, Barna???

Ma long is only dominant in singles by the way. The best singles tt player.

@furlong234

Жыл бұрын

The best ever he dominates teams and doubles matters far les

@mindrover777

Жыл бұрын

@@furlong234 could you elaborate on the doubles championship titles please

@furlong234

Жыл бұрын

@@mindrover777 doubles is less competitive and easier to win because; A) players switch doubles all the time mainly play with their friends for fun B) players don’t practice doubles except pre major tournaments C) doubles Is less about individual skill as you have a teammate D) less glory and financial incentive for doubles means people take it less seiouslyb

@mindrover777

Жыл бұрын

@@furlong234 easier to win? 🤣. Clearly, you are dilusional or not thinking straight.

I wonder if a remake of this video in 10 years will see the rise of Fan Zhendong to the GOAT.

MaLong is the best, no doubt ❤❤❤

Valdner! The most ingrededible serves, what i v been seen. Oll Chinis stady from you memory. Once upon a tyme one Master,s says. Tyme will go, bat Valdner from oll the us . In Short!

Waldner at 2? Lolol. He competed in a less competitive era, then the Chinese came and he never waa never the same since Sydney Olympics.

Where's Fan Zendhong???

Xuxin can't be ranked higher than Liu Quoliang, And Kong Linhhui must be in the top 5 for numerous wins, including defeating of Jan Ove Waldner to win Gold at Sydney 2000 Olympic.

@dmitryfinkel3733

Ай бұрын

This is not a competition of titles and medals, but a competition of styles, innovations and love of fans.

Waldner! the best ever!

WLQ over ZJK???

Ma Long has two Chinese National Games men's single titles. Many of the all-time great Chinese players don't even have one. As one can imagine, TT at the Chinese National Games is a lot more competitive than any other event.

In my opinion, Joo Saehyuk deserves a place in the top 10 too, he‘s the best defender of all time and played on top of the world for quite some time

Waldner is Tyson of TT 👑

@mamamia6925

7 ай бұрын

no ,because Tyson is overrated and never won against a true world class fighter!

@simondz9913

6 ай бұрын

Overrated?

Think xu xin and timo to highly ranked on the list. ma lin and wang hao should be way higher on the list and never herd of ichiro ogimura. timo and ogimura should be the two bottom on the list.

@ecke9635

Жыл бұрын

Just because you haven’t heard of ogimjra doesn’t mean he’s bad. Really stupid thinking

@muaythaijunk7224

Жыл бұрын

I think Timo Boll and Xu Xin should be behind Wang Hao and Ma Lin.

@haraldkolsrud2796

Жыл бұрын

@@ecke9635 I didn’t even say he’s bad but I said he’s bottom of the top 10 players ever that is pretty good if you ask me

@ecke9635

Жыл бұрын

@@haraldkolsrud2796 well you cant just say that because you dont know of him

@haraldkolsrud2796

Жыл бұрын

@@ecke9635 how High would you rank him tho

What happen to fan shon don?

@bennylloyd-willner9667

4 ай бұрын

I dunno, maybe he changed his name from Fan Zhendong so the uploader missed him?😊

JO Waldner 🏓🤴🏻

🎉❤❤

2:40…did anyone saw Timo just switch from his left hand to his right hand and then back and forth? I never seen this with any player in my life!

@zbigniewsakowski994

Жыл бұрын

😀Andrzej Grubba many years ago. Bronze in 1989 Wm Stuttgart

@user-zc8yp8qc8s

Жыл бұрын

Я видел недавно

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

Yes more recently too others as well but I can't remember who

@ab1372

7 ай бұрын

​@@x0cx102one of the swedish players, Kristian Karlsson I think

Kreanga?

Jan Ove WALDNER pour toujours. Il a un très grand palmarès mais ça n'est pas pour cette raison qu'il est et restera pour moi, le plus mémorable joueur de tous les temps. C'est surtout parce qu'avant et après lui, les manuels d'apprentissage de tennis de table n'ont plus jamais été les mêmes (je suis entraineur de tennis de table depuis 35 ans). Il a créé un tennis de table dont tous les grands artistes du ping se sont inspirés après lui. WALDNER, WALDNER, WALDNER et tous ceux que vous avez cités, juste après.

Victor Barna, Richard Bergmann, Bohumil Vana?

What about Wang and Fan ?

I like Time Boll but for me Jorgen Persson should be in this list instead of Timo.

@chifaiman1126

11 күн бұрын

At least Persson has become the World Chanpion in the singles once.

Where is the Belgian player in this list Jean michel Saive????

Fan Zhendong is missing

where is Kenri Widengren?

Xu xin is an artist :/

Jiang jialiang?

Fan ZhenDong👺

Vladimir Samsonov? I think that he was better than some of the players on this list (Wang Hao - for example).

Interesting that Kong Linghui (world and olympics champion) is not on the list. Also missing Fan Zhendong and Jörgen Persson. Non world champions Timo Boll and Xu Xin shouldn't be on the list.

@x0cx102

7 ай бұрын

Exactly surprise to see Timo on the list. And xu xin is great to watch but nowhere near such a discussion.

@minukesis

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. And Wang Hao is incredibly underrated.

@myOhmy566

7 ай бұрын

and what about Jiang Jialiang?

@twenty4seven368

6 ай бұрын

Kong Linghui should have been on the list instead of Timo. (I love Timo BTW)

Waldner is the greatest.

It's hard to say who is the greatest of all time, but anyway, it doesn't make sense to try to determine who is the GOAT. Each generation has its greatest. In the 80'/90', the best was Waldner. Now this is Ma Long

What? Wang hao < timoboll?

Guo Yuehua (Kuo Yao-Hua) ?

Viktor Győző Barna: "He won 41 World Championship medals (including 22 gold medals)" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Table_Tennis_Championships_medalists

Ma Lin no 9¿

Samsonov

Soon Fan Zhendong top 3

Kong Linghui pls

Fan Zhandong

Forest Gump beat them all 😂😂😂

@beorlingo

4 ай бұрын

But Stellan Bengtsson did beat Forrest back in 1971.

I like Boll, but if you have a second European in this list it would arguably be Persson.

Fan Zhendong ?