I’m a Mormon and I have been told my whole life to stay away from this information. I was told it was evil and created by wicked men. I found this video to be the exact opposite, informative, factual and respectful. Thank you. I need to think things over.

@AndrewWiscombemusic

5 жыл бұрын

I think it's important to not deny yourself of your truth. If it keeps you in the church, good for you. If it leads you away, good for you

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

Where is your response? I asked you 6 months ago, what's the hold up?

@meganl41

4 жыл бұрын

I hope you stopped drinking the kool-aid @JClarKent

@dr.options

2 жыл бұрын

Now you understand why they didn't want you to think freely and seek independent information.

@djadams7795

Жыл бұрын

look at all these hateful idiots. This video is garbage 🗑️. It's a bunch of lies. Idiots believe bullshit everyday.

The truth does not fear investigation.

@peterpiper7441

9 жыл бұрын

Wyoming Horseman Exactly right. Even mormon leaders have said this: "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak. George A. Smith, early LDS leader, [Journal of Discourses, vol. 14 p. 216 (1871) ]

@robertallison107

8 жыл бұрын

Peter Piper Such is the case in Islam, also. Muhammad has been scrutinized by folks OUTSIDE of Muslim circles and found to be "non-prophet", by all accounts. Joe Smith has NEVER been found to be anything CLOSE to a prophet by anyone in independent investigations. They simply say that he "claimed" to be one....

@B2BCreditandCollection

8 жыл бұрын

+Wyoming Horseman Yes, and theism does

@peterpiper7441

8 жыл бұрын

Robert Allison There is an interesting book by Henry Caswell from the 1840s where Smith was said to go to bars in Iowa, across the border from Illinois, and after getting drunk, he would repeat, "I am a P.R.O.F.I.T."

@robertallison107

8 жыл бұрын

Peter Piper Such a situation should NOT be surprising. Smith was a pagan in every sense of the word and he proved it continually. He was never really true to God, but he sought what fallen man has always wanted---money and power OUTSIDE of God's will. His legacy was deception and his destination was hell....

As a former Mormon, nice review. Very accurate.

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

Accurate in what way?? Half truths on your best day??

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

Steve, how inaccurate are my 8 refutes? Got anything of substance to say?

@hogorina5460

4 жыл бұрын

NO SUCH THING AS A MORMON !

@keepredmondred

4 жыл бұрын

@@hogorina5460 What planet do you live on?

@JoeSmith-pk5tc

4 жыл бұрын

@@hogorina5460 No such thing as an honest mormon, but there are plenty of mormons.

I grew up mormon and MAN this video is such a huge eye opener. I happened upon this video when I was in the process of questioning/leaving the church and this video helped me so much. I am now happily exmo and even make my own videos about exmo life and opinions. Thanks for such an amazing and well researched video.

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

Your comment doesn't make much sense. If you grew up Mormon, then why is this video such an eye opener?? Seems to me, either you should have known about any true things said here or..... you weren't aware of something this video claims to be accurate...…. because it's not accurate?? Or...… you just never researched your own church?? I would think those who grow up in their own faith should easily know all about it. No?? What surprises you?? :>)

@deskjockie4948

5 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 These issues are not talked about in church, and members are discouraged from investigating anything other than what the church lesson manuals teach. I was a member for 40 years before I learned about the "rock in the hat" method of "translating" the Book of Mormon. I still shake my head at my blindness.

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

@@deskjockie4948…… Weird, I've never been a member of any Mormon faith, heard about the stone many years ago from members and have known many Mormons who investigate many things outside and inside the LDS faith including JS's seer stone. I think you are confusing being discouraged from investigating negative anti Mormon sites with reasonable sources. Although..... it is true the seer stone is not your everyday teaching in Sunday school for a very good reason. Probably for the same reason it's not discussed much how a donkey can talk, how Jesus walked on water or the staff of Moses became a serpent. Even the superstitious Christians are quite tight lipped on those kind of things because explanation evades them. That doesn't mean it never happened. Yes?? :>) What do you mean..... "the "rock in the hat" *METHOD* of "translating" the Book of Mormon." ?? Nobody knows the method the Lord used to energize the seer stone. How come some Mormons knew of the seer stone 40 years ago and you never until years latter?? I don' t buy the never investigate crap and even Mormons gossip within the culture. :>) What have you been blind about ?? I look at it this way...… all mystery aside with the many things gossiped, misunderstood and lied about Joseph Smith …… how come a supposed womanising, glass looking con man read and taught properly what the Bible does when every other Christian faith lies about many things taught in biblical scripture?? Starting with what God is and what we are.

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

@@deskjockie4948 Jock, I (like Staats) am amazed at how naive you have been for so long. So, the rock-in-hat threw you? What would you like to know more about it? You seem to think there is something wrong with it; let's try something new? - thinking about it. First point of logic - does a book from God stop being from God if it is translated by any implement or method the world has never used? (I presume you have stopped believing in it.) I will stop asking questions and just detail the reasons why this implement and the hat were used, and let you do some thinking. Smith was supplied the urim and thummim to translate, which was a large and distinctive object that could not easily be hidden when enemies came a knocking, so he was allowed to use two objects he could leave lying around, right under their noses, and not have them confiscated (also the reason the plates were left in hiding - originally placed on the table). He had very poor English and zero Reformed Egyptian knowledge, so had to have something, including educated scribes, however, that something was not restricted to worldly translating tools because even the world could hardly translate Egyptian, and had absolutely no idea what Reformed Egyptian was. Smith needed some way that worked in his situation. He was left to just reading, but it is probably hard to read writing on a rock if text is illuminated from it. My phone screen is almost impossible to read when I am walking around in daylight, so I look for dark places. I have often found none, so take my hat off and shade it. There is nothing silly about it - it just works. One final consideration; the bible warns against straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. May I suggest you are guilty of it? - The rock-in-hat method is your gnat, and the plethora of lies about the restoration is your camel. BTW, no gnats are discussed in church, and members are encouraged to investigate beyond lesson manuals (seek out of the best books). I'm pretty sure you haven't done much of that, and relied on your once a week lessons. While you can shake your head at your blindness, try shaking at your naivety, gullibility, stupidity, and most likely - disobedience? You know what I mean.

@goodgirlkay

4 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 for someone who claims not to be Mormon, you are zealously defending the religion and Joseph Smith....

Fair and clear. As a Catholic I thank you for presenting these issues so I can understand them. There is no anger here, or disrespect as I can tell.

@claudiachurch4285

4 жыл бұрын

there is for your pedophile church

@mcloward1

4 жыл бұрын

@@claudiachurch4285 wow complete disrespect for no reason at all. This person was not rude or awful in their comments at all, why did you feel the need to be?

@claudiachurch4285

4 жыл бұрын

@@mcloward1 I did not see myself as rude or disrespectful , I was merely stating facts 500,000 thousand children raped , young woman having their infants ripped away from them for forced adoption and then being labeled 'whores',money laundering in the Vatican bank , the Nazi rat line that helped war criminals escape to South America , when did facts become rude or a sign of disrespect ?

@mikelopez8564

Жыл бұрын

@@claudiachurch4285 no one should ever defend crimes or even sinful behaviour of people, regardless of who they are. In fact, shine a light on it wherever you can. At the same time, I hafta question your “facts”.

@claudiachurch4285

Жыл бұрын

@@mikelopez8564 Then I suggest you look up the hard cold facts , thousands of children have been molested by priests , all over the world they don't even stop at the disabled like the infamous case of Murphy who abused over 200 deaf boys , the pope and the bishops would not allowed him to be punished , they just moved them from one place to another their is no Catholic Church its just a big pedo ring with a bunch of gay priests fact check uptil now 500,000 children raped world wide they are ALL going to your catholic hell

I was married to a Mormon for nearly 25 years, and though never baptized, I accompanied her to the Church services as regularly as a member. I listened twice to the missionary discussions, and was struck by how they would almost immediately push and try to persuade investigators to get baptized. This is in contrast to the Catholic Church for example (no fan of that institution either) that requires a prolonged study period. Over the years it became clear to me why the missionaries and others operate this way. They want you to make the commitment while the information seems at least plausible, and before you learn their really bizarre doctrines and dogma. Believe it or not, the information presented here, though accurate, only scratches the surface in describing how weird this church is. The Mormon Church has one thing in common with most religious institutions, that is they each claim to uniquely possess a divinely revealed word, and if you unquestioningly follow them, and never apply reason or critical faculties, they will show you eternal life. Where Mormons (and a few others) are different is that first, you have to give them 10 percent of your income for the privilege of receiving their nonsense, and secondly, their history and doctrine, because it is historically relatively recent, is so verifiably bullshit.I for one am bitter about the amount of time I have spent on beautiful Sunday mornings when I could have been hiking in the mountains, but instead was in a brick building with a bunch of sheep singing crap like "praise to the man," and "we thank thee oh god for a prophet..." But I am free now!

@johnlee1352

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for staying out...you only would have weakened the church.

@deskjockie4948

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnlee1352 Your comment is a great example of the cultish behavior of demeaning those who don't agree with them.

@claudiachurch4285

4 жыл бұрын

divorced ?

@johnlee1352

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for staying out...we don't need your weakness and confusion.

@throughthewoods416

2 жыл бұрын

Good for you man - I'm 100% with you. Mormonism truly is an example of 'if you can think of it, people will believe it'.

I have nothing to do with the LDS church but have lately been really interested in the history of mormonism and have watched hours of documents to learn as much as I can. This is by far the best video I've seen on this topic, truly great work.

@godsoffspring4195

Жыл бұрын

So if you've only watched hours of documents, how do you know this video is truly a great work??

@djadams7795

Жыл бұрын

​@@godsoffspring4195 he really has no clue. He is CNN fake news.

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

Paul Gregersen debunked the arrogant Egyptologist crap presented on the above video.

Proverbs 30:5-6 "Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar." This scripture should let people know that any sect that misinterprets, twists, adds to or subtract from the canon of the authorized Bible, is heretical and cannot be considered true. 2 Peter 2:3 "But false prophets also arose among the people, "Just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words."

@pingaspingas1519

4 жыл бұрын

All correct. And the Lord has the authority to give new scripture to his prophets, as he has in modern times.

@joshuaboehner4652

4 жыл бұрын

The Bible is a fairytale in itself, it's all horseshit

@tgphlaicke

3 жыл бұрын

Quesion for you - "of the authorized Bible". Which authorized Bible? Does the Tindale Bible agree with the King James Version in all regards and do both of them agree with the New American Standard? The Catholics have two additonal books, is theirs the authorized Bible or is the one without the two additional books the authorized Bible? Was there one forbidden tree in the Garden or two, some Bibles (KJV) mention a Tree of Life and a Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and some only mention a Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and Omit a Tree of Life. And those are just some of the problems with English language versions. Does the King James version agree with the King Louise version (French)? Your statement is either disingenuous or demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge of the Bible and its history.

@kenziek6707

2 ай бұрын

@@tgphlaickeYou really shoudl learn the basics of what you are talking about. "Which authorized Bible?" The Authorized version is called the King James version, you would someone who pretends they are a biblical expert would know the most basic things such as that wouldn't you Mormon? I detest the king James Bible it is too error ridden with mistranslations which Mormons also copied into the book of Mormon (even though according ot he fable it was supposedly written long before the king James existed) Like the "bow of steel" which Joseph Smith was far too stupid to realize was a metaphor and is in fact, a mistranslation the Hebrew word which that verse was translated from uses the word for "Bronze" not steel " Does the Tindale Bible agree with the King James Version" Mostly,. " Was there one forbidden tree in the Garden or two, some Bibles (KJV) mention a Tree of Life and a Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil" You dont know what you are blabbering about Mormon., Karl Buddes book is not any version of the king James bible. As bad as King James Onlyists are Mormons are 10 times worse pretending they know things they dont. "King Louise version" LOL!!!!!!! Uh you might want to try to get the spelling right moron, there is no such thing as the "King Louise version" no need to get into how they were translated as it uses big words which you couldn't read or spell correctly. There is no such thing as a Mormon Biblical expert.

@johntuffy5721

Ай бұрын

religion is a mental illness

#10, which talks about the temple penalties, reminded me of the first time I went through the temple My husband and I were converts and I was seven months pregnant with our first son. You may imagine my feelings when I was instructed to pantomime slashing my abdomen. I was never truly comfortable attending the temple after that, though as a good Mormon, I tried. I have now resigned my membership and feel as if a huge monkey has been lifted from my back. There really is life after Mormonism.

@jettabear1988

4 жыл бұрын

You have to resign? You can't just leave?

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

WHY are you STILL avoiding the fact that the EGYPTOLOGISTS were DEBUNKED?

@meganl41

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 why are you avoiding the fact that your "prophet" lied to you?

@meganl41

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 do you follow the "prophet" Warren Jeff's as well?

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

@@meganl41 Lied to me about what?

Top ten pranks that went too far?

@jonathanalexander9562

4 жыл бұрын

About 190 years too far...

@bouillonjules2

4 жыл бұрын

Excuse me??!! I was sexually abused in the Hyde Park branch of their organisation!!

@ikilledthewendigo4745

4 жыл бұрын

@@bouillonjules2 I'm sorry that happened to you .

@highlandparkgeneraldetroit7715

4 жыл бұрын

😝

@bossendenwoodconvict

3 жыл бұрын

@@bouillonjules2 Hyde Park London, or Hyde Park Sydney?

LDS is all BS! My chains are gone, I've been set free!

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

Free to do what??

@alaskaismyhome39

4 жыл бұрын

"Free to do what?" Your comment makes little sense in response to my own original statement. I was freed from the lie of Mormonism - I'm not sure where the question of what I will DO with my freedom came in...But let me explain how freedom works since you seem unclear on the concept: Once a person is FREE, they can do whatever they want. Personally, I have used my freedom to denounce Mormonism and become a Christian.

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

@@alaskaismyhome39 ….. "Once a person is FREE, they can do whatever they want." Interesting. I don't know any LDS Christians who can't do what they want. Seems it's you is confused with freedom. In fact..... any committed Saint I know is doing exactly what they want to be doing. It's apparent you also don't know what a Christian is. Another fact...… Mormons accept Jesus Christ as their only Saviour and that is the core definition and actuality of a Christian. Freedom is not a concept. :>)

@alaskaismyhome39

4 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 Actually, Mormons are NOT Christians. They have drastically different teachings that are in direct conflict with Christianity, The Bible, and the true Jesus. Mormons don't even believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God and call it "mistranslated". Mormons believe their Jesus was the product of Elohim's physical sex with Mary - this not only makes Mary an adulterer, but it also makes the Mormon Jesus a bastard. Christians do NOT believe that. Mormons believe in varying levels of salvation, which is a concept Jesus NEVER spoke of and goes against the Christian teachings of salvation where everyone who is saved is saved, NO ONE IS MORE SAVED THAN ANYONE ELSE. Mormons believe in baptisms and temple work for the dead, something they say is mandatory for salvation, however, NO WHERE in the Bible does Jesus mention these rituals. In fact, the only time baptisms for the dead are mentioned is in Corinthians when Paul is discussing a pagan cult that practices that ritual. Mormons are not free to do whatever they want. Mormons cannot question the teachings of the Mormon cult, Mormons cannot advocate a Christian church's teachings publicly. Mormons are discouraged from doing research about Mormonism. Mormons are not free to eat and drink what they want. Mormons are not free to go to Christian churches and worship (repeatedly doing so will result in excommunication, according to the Bishop's handbook). The list goes on and on. You don't know what a Christian is if you believe Mormons are Christians. For example, Muslims and Jews also feature a character named Jesus in their books, but they are not Christians. It is WHAT you believe about Jesus that makes you a Christian or not. Since Mormons believe that Jesus is the literal brother of Satan, that He is insufficient for salvation, and that He is an entirely separate god from "God the Father" - AND that there are gods without number (making Mormons polytheistic *see Isaiah 43:10*), they are decidedly UNCHRISTIAN. Not to mention the Bible repeatedly condemns following false prophets, the criteria of which is found in Deuteronomy 18: 21-22, and yet Mormon prophets (most especially Joseph Smith and Brigham Young) consistently made false prophecies. Mormons have so many manmade doctrines that detract and contradict the Bible. They worship men and lies instead of Jesus. Oh yeah, and Jesus is NOT a Mormon's "only savior", since Mormons teach that you must DO other things in order to gain salvation. If you must believe in Joseph Smith as a prophet, the Book of Mormon as "god's word", do temple work for dead people, and pay 10% of your income, then you are NOT saved by Jesus's grace alone. Mormons are no more Christian than Muslims. I highly recommend you do some research on the following things: - Kinderhook Plates Hoax. - The Book of Abraham Translation. - The Salamander Letters. - The MANY anachronisms in the Book of Mormon. - The contradictory historical, anthropological, and archeological evidence to Mormonism and the BoM. - False prophecies of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. - Joseph Smith's criminal record and polygamy. - Biblical contradictions. And most importantly, you need to read the New Testament. You clearly know nothing about it if you advocate Mormonism...And you clearly know nothing of Mormonism.

@alaskaismyhome39

4 жыл бұрын

I am free from the lie of Mormonism, and I really don't care if you want to believe that lie or not - that's YOUR business and YOUR decision that YOU answer for...I've told you the truth, which is MY responsibility as a Christian, the truth is there for you to accept or deny. However, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about it all day. I'll just leave you with this: It is FAR easier to believe a wicked lie that makes you comfortable, than a life-saving truth that challenges your whole world. You have the choice to be spiritually strong or spiritually weak. All I ask is that you do a DETAILED search into Mormon history - after all, as one of your beloved General Authorities once said, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by research...if we have NOT the truth, it OUGHT it be harmed."

I love the fairy tale about the rotating barges.

@michaeltaylors2456

5 жыл бұрын

Why isn’t there a Utah boat dealer named Tight Unto A Dish ?

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

Oh goody. A couple of stupid comments.

@mr.hansholmes2367

5 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 You never heard about the barges?!!

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

@@mr.hansholmes2367 Are you talking about the stupid anti-Mormon version?

@mr.hansholmes2367

5 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 How can it be Stupid AND Anti mormon?

they’re a few things i’ve learned going to the LDS church, i’m not baptized, however one of the most shocking things that doesn’t get much exposure i’ve learned is that LDS church’s believes the Garden of Eden happened in modern day Missouri, this isn’t something i just googled either this is something I learned in gospel principles class

@kelliintexas3575

Жыл бұрын

Yep!! They are INSANE!! QUOTE: "the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County..." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)

@katdiggory5501

11 ай бұрын

I’ve lived in Utah with Mormons for almost a year and been going to church and I’ve never heard of this. It’s crazy!!

@dano8613

6 ай бұрын

​@@katdiggory5501most modern Mormons you'll find know very little actually. I talk to many members of the LDS church and her is what I found. 1) if they are an older member they will admit to essentially trying to be Equal to God but if they are about my age group and younger they will laugh it off and argue that I'm making it up. 2) they have no idea that Smith married a 9 year old and those that do will try and justify it. 3) most have no idea that the church was racist! Up until about 1978 they pushed the belief that blacks were cursed with the mark of Cain, they will argue with you even after you show them articles written with interviews of church leaders. So just because you haven't heard this don't let it fool you, the church has been changing and hiding things from the beginning. People have always known Smith was a fraud and not a Christian,we have public records to back up all the claims against Smith & scripture to support the fact that Mormonism is a cult with false prophets and not from God. God don't lie and if Mormonism contradicts God's word then it isn't fun God

Joseph smith was the 19th century L. Ron Hubbard

@mader348

7 жыл бұрын

you're ignorance is showing

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

And ignorance is not knowing that Mormon starts with a capital, imbecile.

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

So you explained that no capital 'M' is a mark of disrespect? I have not seen that, and challenge you to identify your past post that does this. Otherwise, you have been caught lying again. While you are at it, tell us which religion you are on the payroll for? Imbecile. I take meds for diabetes and blood pressure. Which one am I needing more of? LOL!

@EarlFaulk

7 жыл бұрын

You can give LRH credit for one thing. He was not a total horndog using religion to get his jollies. However, he was incredibly abusive to the people around him and was a paranoid schizophrenic.

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

Who cares wha LRH was, or was not?

Bishop " where is your tithe?" me " here it is, you have to see it with your spiritual eyes"

@booboobearsugarbear9109

5 жыл бұрын

Lmaooooooo

@legacy756

5 жыл бұрын

That is just the type of language the witnesses use regarding the BOM however in his interviews they state very clear that they did see the golden plates as you see other physical things.

@robrodgers3965

4 жыл бұрын

fox trot 027 AWESOME 👏 LOVE ❤️ IT 👍😎

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

That ''spiritual eyes'' crap is from your anti-Mormon christian crowd.

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. That video DEBUNKS the EGYPTOLOGICAL CRAP that the ANTI-MORMONS were GULLIBLE enough to have bought into.

The fact that a hat-gazing con-man is the founder of such a powerful religious movement is mind-blowing. This is why it is important to promote critical-thinking in our schools.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

Sion, if you can prevent your mind from exploding, consider the success as someone's far more capable? Hint :- look at it's name?

@Number4lead

Ай бұрын

It isn't the first time this has happened.

Lol I like how this videos title makes it seem like he is gonna defend mormonism but really he is just debunking, gotta catch as many mormens as posible lol

@bartonbagnes4605

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Lies are regularly used to deceive the gullible, for example, why do they continue to declare no archeological, linguistic ect. exist, when each has been found. Except for DNA, which proves the Bible false if it is used to "prove" The Book Of Mormon false, for the Bible says that Israel was scattered to all the isles of the sea. So the DNA has to be there, but indistinguishable from any other DNA.

I left the church at age 19 just through basic research. It was difficult. I loved my ward and the members. But the Church is so EASY to debunk, that I'm always bewildered members don't leave in droves.

@godsoffspring4195

7 жыл бұрын

"But the Church is so EASY to debunk......" So you debunked the hearts, minds and love of a universe of souls?? Interesting Warren. Guess you never learned what GOD means. I can see why you are still bewildered. :>)

@warrenmoore4743

7 жыл бұрын

+truthseeker staats don't give me that line of bull

@godsoffspring4195

7 жыл бұрын

Why would members leave in droves knowing what God is and GOD means and...... knowing which is God's most biblical , spiritual and rational church?? What bull??

@warrenmoore4743

7 жыл бұрын

Oh cut the crap.

@godsoffspring4195

7 жыл бұрын

Wow Warren, That's some pretty in depth debunking you have go'in on there. :>)

Every potential Mormon cult convert needs to watch this first.

@djadams7795

2 жыл бұрын

Or they should just take a Dookie on your head. Bwahaha 😂

@djadams7795

2 жыл бұрын

The pope's sucking the devil's 8==D

Two wives probably means two mothers-in-law. Discouragement enough.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention nagging in stereo.

@racerx4152

3 жыл бұрын

this reminds of a very funny spaghetti western where this cowboy is going to marry this other man's two daughters. The father asks him (the stranger) to pray with him and his two daughters. The father say's something like- lord thank you that this man is going to work really really really hard. When he opened his eyes at the end of the prayer., the stranger was gone and nowhere to be found

@corneliawissing7950

3 жыл бұрын

No, it doesn't. One simply marries the two extra women as well, so it means 4 obedient wives.

@louistournas120

3 жыл бұрын

@@racerx4152 LOL. That's a good point. In a marriage, it isn't just about fucking. You have to work to take care of the house, the car, the lawn, your PC, your tools, sewing machine, TV, and so on. Or if you can't do it, you buy new stuff but you lose money. You bring in another guy to do the job and you lose more money.

@tac3016

3 жыл бұрын

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You are among the best narrators I've ever heard on KZread. Bravo!

I left the church because of this video, thank you

@georgebauerschmidt5289

5 жыл бұрын

+hannah Samson AMEN! The Holy Spirit is working in your life now.

@renasdean8075

5 жыл бұрын

All the fact are not true. Fx. There is DNA, archaeological evidence and much more.. this videi is all twisted and based on false facts.

@renasdean8075

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam I can personally my self prove that these claims are taking out of context, that some are false and show new scientific discoveries that proofs this. I have done many times before, while a served as a missionary, but I've come to find out that even when 10 questions are answered and debunked, another 10 will then come up, and again and again always. There is no point in debating or arguing or proving anything. If you are interested in just a few explanations, you could read these short facts I found for you: latterdaysaintmag.com/10-things-the-devil-does-not-want-you-to-know-about-the-book-of-mormon/#.XhM0nZv_TJk.facebook If you want an explanation on many other anti mormon stuff that are on the internet,, I can recomend reading this free PDF file I found, that gives a response to a guy who published many many antimormon stuff and compiled it into in one book. Some years later a guy came up with a respons to every sentence from that book, debunked it sentence by sentence. Here it is: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjV3pzD1_PmAhVSrosKHYuzBUkQFjAOegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw059GDWE3PmH_NVoACmbsB_&cshid=1578475535518 I believe this is what you were looking for, but even when all these antimormon stuff are debunked, I've come to experience that all these fact won't have any impact whatsoever. The only way you truly can come to know for yourself is by praying to Heavenly Father to come to know if it truly is true. I bear you my testimony that I personally know that the Book of Mormon truly is ancient records written by ancient prophets. I know the book is true, and that Joseph Smith translated it with the power of God. I know that Jesus Christ is the saviour of the world, and that he died for you and me. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng

@bumpty9830

4 жыл бұрын

@@renasdean8075 "I've come to find out that even when 10 questions are answered and debunked, another 10 will then come up, and again and again always." That sounds frustrating. Sounds like the people you're talking to have already made up their minds and aren't interested in learning new information. I can relate to that. Are you open to new sources of information about the LDS church, or have you already made up your mind?

@bumpty9830

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam I was born into the Church of the Almighty Dollar. Believed Capitalism was a good idea for the first three decades of my life. When I figured out I'd been scammed, I became fascinated by _the way_ I'd been scammed. The psychology of it. Turns out, for psychological purposes, I was in a cult. Now I like to help other People figure out that they're in cults. So, uh, "Marxist" I guess, if we're doing labels. I also answer to "progressive," "Berniecrat," "post-capitalist," and "dude who sure as shit has something to say." :)

Biggest Mormon problem is the Internet. (mic drop)

@godsoffspring4195

2 жыл бұрын

You must be kidding. A person who wants to learn proper 'mormonism' can now learn in months what would take many years otherwise before the internet. It has sped up membership tallies over the years. You must be confusing all the fake news on the internet as being a problem, when in fact, it's only a problem to those who fall for it, not the Mormons. Most of the fake news found on the internet has always been around well before this digital time. So proportionately, there is no new problems for you to embarrass yourself with by dropping sensitive electronics on the floor. :>)

@foreverozone

2 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 Thanks to the Internet. I was able to learn Joseph smith was convicted of scamming people out of money as a youth for pretending he could find buried treasures. I learned he sent men off on missions then married their wives. He took wives under the age of 18. Many. He told several conflicting first vision accounts who’s means he’s a bad liar. Can’t even keep his sort straight. I would be embarrassed to be Mormon today. You do realize how we all see you as non critical thinkers and possibly delusional. Right?

@godsoffspring4195

2 жыл бұрын

@@foreverozone ..... "You do realize how we all see you as non critical thinkers and possibly delusional. Right?" No worries how you see it. What's important is..... what is.... what was and will be. Like I said, the fake news you have stupidly espoused goes to show what you see means nothing to me or the Mormons. That would be like worrying what woke numbskulls who think men are women and women men if they want to be, think about those who know better. :>) Maybe you can cough up with the "many" under age wives Smith "took" when it's actual he had only one earthly wife. You dopes don't understand or admit that he was simply sealed to others as wives in the after life. How old do you think they would be by then?? You fake news bandits are a real hoot. Dumb as coal. While you're burning rubber at that, maybe you can also cough up with actual fact he married other's wives in an earthly capacity while they still married to other men. I've been following this old crap for years and nobody ever has. It's all fake news and you are just another nutter. Lastly..... maybe you can provide any intelligent input showing I'm a Mormon....... "you guys" Did the internet tell you I'm a Mormon?? LOL.... :>)

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

Think again.

@gregoryglavinovich9259

2 ай бұрын

​@@richardholmes5676Anunnaki created a lot of the religions

I am really impressed with the information. Thank you

I attended the LDS church during 2005-2007 and since then I've noticed an accelerating rate of Mormon Videos done by current church members and former church members highlighting the problems of the LDS claim to being the truth and especially the book of Mormon's historical claims. I've seen more LDS Bishops quitting and now some doubts creeping at higher levels of church membership like the recent Swedish Rescue attempt. I'm glad I'm not LDS trying to defend it, in the face of overwhelming evidence refuting it. That's why I never got baptised despite 'feelings' of finding home and feeling the spirit. It wasn't real in the end. disappointing. My comments shouldn't reflect negatively on the many sincere LDS members I met along the way. They were a privilege to know and associate with and I do miss them.

@MrMessageWriter

10 жыл бұрын

I think the reason for proliferation of videos since then, is because of A) youtube and it's like, and B) proliferation of computers since 2005, which are capable of editing video, and making video, C) Proliferation of high bandwidth internet connections.

@ElderJoseph

10 жыл бұрын

Mrmessage Writer Yes but what I mean is more and more LDS church members seem to be leaving including Bishops and they themselves posting videos and things. I originally started posting videos for answers wondering if I have somehow been misled by non official LDS sources. I didn't really expect to see what looks like a huge exodus bubbling. There has even been a recent Swedish rescue for disaffected LDS members and lots of Firesides happening trying to address certain issues. It's sad in a way because I like Mormons and kind of wish it was really the true church. I thought, perhaps hoped I might get my tough questions answered eventually but it never happened.

@MrMessageWriter

10 жыл бұрын

***** As a former member myself, there wasn't this information available to me. I just was lucky that I am a skeptical as hell bastard. The only reason I joined in the first place, was because I had been kicked out of the Lutheran church for asking questions. The LDS missionaries said I could ask questions, and that it was the expectation. I liked what I saw when I chatted up LDS folks, they seemed happy. I guess they can just be happy without any evidence. Anyway I was lucky, I got through to the Temple to see what the whole show was about. *YAWN* Seriously some hand symbols and a special name which is literally drawn out of a hat for you? Only children should fall for that. After the Temple I became inactive. These videos should help dissaude people from joining up with the LDS Church, and hopefully will lead more people to Atheism.

@matwarner

10 жыл бұрын

I could answer your tough questions. The gospel in the lds church is so emence it is not easy if you suddenly try to make sense of it, it dose take time, it can raise more questions than answers but the answers are there and are pluasable and make perfect sense in the end. matwarner@yahoo.com

@richardholmes7199

10 жыл бұрын

Mrmessage Writer Atheism? NOPE. Am not Atheist myself. If it wasn't mainly for the LDS church and what I know I might possibly have been Atheist or something like it. Am actually not a Religious person by nature. For years I only went to church to catch that buzz (The same feeling that we all felt when we were all up in heaven in the pre-existence before we all came to this earth (2nd estate) to the here and now ) and did not show up for the lesson though.

I left the cult 15 years ago and I am leaving it again after hearing this. Thank you for sharing.

@johnlee1352

6 жыл бұрын

Leaving it AGAIN?? You're not alone! Weak people cycle in and out of the Mormon church on a fairly regular basis. They usually start looking for the door when they realize this church will actually expect something from them. They claim they were "lied to" or something was "hidden"...then they claim to have discovered the "truth claims" of the church are false and so they take the only "dignified" option they can think of to hide their indolence and fecklessness...they quit and claim the moral high ground! Of course, it's just a cover for their confusion. They usually end up as atheists or in one of those little born again/pentecostal/evangelical/ praise the Lord/Jesus first churches where their weakness and confusion won't be noticed. A luxury not to be found among the Mormons.

@rayma66

5 жыл бұрын

John Lee + Huh? That's quite a blanket statement. And are you saying it's impossible to leave because one believes it's false? Do you have a response for the contents of this video?

@georgebauerschmidt5289

5 жыл бұрын

Rachel Elisabeth that was very well said especially after watching the entire video myself. Anyone that honestly watches this video and can remain Mormon really doesn't understand the contents of this video or the details that are discussed. Seriously, if anyone can watch this video honestly and listen to what it being said and all the details that are presented and still remain a Mormon, then they are doing so with the knowledge of accepting something that is false on purpose. If anyone can believe something that is false on purpose, one has to question what mental disorder causes willful ignorance? This would be similar to hearing all the details why the earth was round but choosing to believe the earth was flat on purpose despite the many examples and details regarding the round earth. What hold does the BITE model have on Mormons to push them to trust a lie that they would even be willing to accept Jesus Christ is a liar based on Mathew 16:18 where Jesus makes a promise to Peter that HIS CHURCH would never be destroyed. And yet, they trust Joseph Smith that he "restored" a church that was never destroyed. Apparently, Joseph Smith is more believable than Jesus Christ. I don't get how a convicted criminal holds so much power even in 21st century times with the truth easy to look up. Why?

@eldiablo8myStash

5 жыл бұрын

I am not Mormon but I do study all of the religions both modern and ancient with extraordinary detail and devotion. Joseph was not wrong about the ancient civilization living here thousands of years ago. He was not wrong about them speaking Hebrew and writing in block Hebrew. He wasn’t wrong about the ancient Egyptian influence being here and I have personally seen mummies which came out of the Grand Canyon. You must understand that the almighty powerful church has gone to incredible lengths to discredit anyone and anything which challenges their narrative given. Even the natives did in fact name the Mississippi River the River S-Dun, the River Sidon. Archeologists also uncovered the Hebrew Stone and Decalogue Stone in the ancient Ohio Earthworks in the Mississippi Valley. You can also find an ancient stone written in Hebrew located in New Mexico which contains the Ten Commandments. There is great significance relating to the date in which angel Moroni appeared to Joseph. September 21st was the holiest day to all Babylonians, Phoenicians, Egyptians and even the Jews of today. It was the new year, the day of creation of Adam and Eve. Jews celebrate this high holiday as Rosh Hashanah and Shabbat Shuva. Shabbat Shuva means “Return!” These days honor the creation of man and signal the end of which is to come. It is the day of the Autumn/Adam equinox. Contrary to what people want to say he was right about a hell of a lot. Those truths will come to light very soon when Michael stands up. That time is near.

@georgebauerschmidt5289

5 жыл бұрын

@@eldiablo8myStash cool story, bro

As an exmo who was born into this Mormon cult, I found this video spot on. Well done and very accurate. I pray for my family who are still in this cult and who think I'm the devil because I've denounced the Mormon church.

@godsoffspring4195

Жыл бұрын

I don't think Uncle David thinks you're the devil. I'd bet he would even offer you a lesson from Luke 15 in his prayers for you. I wonder who's prayers will be heard the loudest. Your one prayer for the family or the family's for you? What do you think will happen there? :>)

@Rope_yogurt

Жыл бұрын

​@@godsoffspring4195 praying doesn't do anything. You're literally just talking in the wind.

@godsoffspring4195

Жыл бұрын

@@Rope_yogurt ... So, I guess when a tree falls in the forest and you didn't hear it , it didn't do anything and was just sound in the wind?? Prayers are mostly meant to be heard, not always answered. So how do you know prayers don't do anything??

@Rope_yogurt

Жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 it lulls believers into a false sense of accomplishment. We cannot solve our problems, much less the world's through prayer. We often see people with good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy, but prayer is useless without action, and those actions make the prayers irrelevant.

@godsoffspring4195

Жыл бұрын

@@Rope_yogurt .... Ummm, I don't know any believers who think what God does is their own accomplishments. Some may try but it never pans out well. Looks to me you are trying to blame God for our, or one's, own inability to solve problems. Tsk, tsk "but prayer is useless without action" Well, you got that right. God even said so.... "faith without works is dead" and most people knew that much thousands of years ago but it has never made their prayers irrelevant. Not to them or to the Lord just because you think so. People with good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy is for comfort and hope. We know when a tree falls in the forest and you didn't hear it, it still did something and heard by somebody. What is rope yogurt... does it have ears?? Can it hear a tree fall or say an intelligent prayer?? :>)

dude, please come back. ur voice is so soothing u could talk about anything and i’d listen lol

David J. Johnson, BYU professor --- “No one has found any inscriptule evidence for, or material remains that can be tied directly to any persons, places or things, mentioned in the book (of Mormon).”

Excellent and well researched info -- thank you! I grew up in Utah in a non-Mormon family, and always felt like an outsider there. Eventually, my 2 brothers converted and married in the church. They raised their families to only converse with, and befriend, other Mormons. They only listen to Mormon music, read M literature, etc. When I stayed with them for a few weeks, they hardly spoke to me, and discouraged their children from speaking to me. If they think this kind of exclusionary action makes people want to join their church they are mistaken. They are truly trapped in a brainwashing cult, but because it makes them feel "special," they cannot see how much they have been duped into spending so much of their time, effort, and money on a huge con job that has nothing to do with True Spirituality.

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

Hmmm...…. what is true spirituality??

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam… That was really, really dumb Ralphy. Maybe you would like to explain what true spirituality is and make yourself more useful than that sad post. Sheesh.... what have you been dong these last few days or so Wiggy……. just get out of stupid school?? Hey..... does one have to be baptised to understand LDS doctrine.....Or..... does one understand the doctrine of baptism and the very reason they know they should get baptised?? Yep..... stupid school fer sure. Ha, ha, ha.....

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam…. I've never wanted to be part of your cult Ralphy. Nothing ignorant about that. Although I do understand it is wise to be part of Christ's most accurate church. That ain't your church or cult Ralphy. Sure I can explain Spanks. I already know why one should get baptised and become one with the Latter Day Saints and Christ's church instead of your little private cult. Jesus told us why and is also LDS doctrine. I don't need your idiotic rant judging my smoking habits effecting understanding LDS doctrine. Good Gawd Spanky you are a nut and a half. But I don't mind changing yo messy diapers for you on a daily basis. :>) John 3 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam….. " You are the one that admitted that my church is a "cult" That's right Ralphy. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not your church nor is it a cult. "Christ's most accurate church"? What exactly backs up that claim " For starters Spanks.... they teach the scriptures properly and what God is. Of course you wouldn't know that. The list is miles long to be exact and you really don't have the attention span or the honesty. "Why do you have to lie?" I don't. Besides your own dopiness, that's your worst enemy Ralphy. Ha, ha, ha....

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 Hi Staats, can you figure out what is going on with probable blocking for me? I am still unsure if Dark Wing is just lying, or I am blocked, yet see my own posts on the blocked sites? The banter with Avenged is on this video site (about 36 replies) - Eric Lawton 2 weeks ago Here's one Avenged has sent that didn't appear - Thanks. I might just join this conversation, in the meantime.

My heart hurts so much for the wives of Joseph Smith. They suffered so much to then be purposefully forgotten by the church. The church tries to make it sound like IF Joseph did have plural wives, that it was for the greater good. The LDS church members need to open their eyes.

Great video. Very informative.

most of my friends left the mormon cult yet still cannot discuss it. It's very difficult to acknowledge the lies you formerly believed in so it takes time to heal. Mormons need love and patience. Ex-mormons need tremendous help because the've usually lost all faith and hope once the've acknowledged the lies. They are hurt and feel duped and victimized.

@claudiachurch4285

4 жыл бұрын

well just dont despair , you can drink now , take drugs , screw anything that walks, so many ways to heal yourself , I wouldn't worry about it

@mutestingray

3 жыл бұрын

@@claudiachurch4285 thanks Claudia, very cool.

@mutestingray

3 жыл бұрын

The unfortunate thing is that most of these people become (understandably) disillusioned with religion all together, often leading to a “spiritual vacuum”. Lack of purpose, community. It’s a terrible situation.

This video is accurate and should be viewed by everyone before joining the Mormon Church.

@trevorj79

3 жыл бұрын

Do people actually join this cult or aren’t they just born into it?

Your voice is so soothing I forgot I wasn’t listening to an audiobook. Thanks 👍✌️

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

Beware of the soothsayers. :>)

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope - why are you still here defending a proven lie? - the trinity. Clearly, you're not capable of learning, nor understanding truth.

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

@Avenged- Sevenfold….. The only thing you have ever proven from day 1 is how intellectually sparse you are. That's why you are always in the corner where you should be. Cornered in the lie of the superstitious trinity with nowhere to run.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope, in your corner of the padded cell in your asylum, maybe?

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope - here's my pointless and stupid comment: While you bicker, you say nothing that proves the LDS church is not the one true religion, and while you say nothing the church is still growing, and your branch of disguised Satanism is waning.

Coaxing folks to believe in the incredible mishmash of modern mythology which is Mormonism, is a well-choreographed program of psychological trickery. Those that allow their missionaries into their homes (and going door to door is particularly genius: once you let them into your home domain, you are already acting on trust - you trust them enough to let two fit young men into your home: this is a HUGE first step!! Those that take this Leap of Faith (faith and trust are more or less congruous...) are usally those who are seeking something to believe in, to give their lives meaning. The missionaries at first point to both similarities of their belief system to mainstream Christianity, and the milder differences... constructing a bridge from one worldview to another (most Mormon converts are former Christians). Then they give them a Book of Mormon and ask them to PRAY HARD about everything it contains... a process which tends to enhance whatever shreds of belief they are starting to have. Then, love-bombing the potential converts when they show up at the local LDS place of worship, treating them exceptionally nicely... only once they are hooked on the cozy, old-fashioned sense of community that they are exposed to, are they exposed to the more bizzare parts of the LDS belief and worship system - like the Masonic rituals, Mormon underwear (Robes of Righteousness), the Book of Abraham, the Adam-god theory and so on... but by then they are have so much invested in their newfound circle of friends that they willingly swallow the rest of the worm and are fully and truly hooked.

@2326038

5 жыл бұрын

Good post Earle Frost.

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

Duplicate.

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

@@2326038 Duplicate.

@2326038

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 SO????

@jamestripp8451

4 жыл бұрын

I belonged to several Christian denominations for 24 years before I met the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and was well versed in the Bible. These other Churches prepared me for the truth when the missionaries presented me with the fullness of The Gospel. When you've received the truth and realize it by the power of The Holy Ghost, there's no need to turn back. Been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for 60 years and know the truth beyond a shadow of doubt.. Satan, or the devil, and his followers are very busy trying to discredit the Truth.

my family has been invlolved with the church since 1830s,yet when i wanted to join family said I was not what the church was looking for. At age 60 I was baptized but found a very low glass ceiling that has keep me from progressing in the faith or going to the temple. Now I realize I made a mistake, but living near slc,walking away is almost impossible.

@patsymillar9447

2 жыл бұрын

In the 1960's at the age of 9 I was baptised a Mormon. Though If I'm truthful I never really believed it. The branch I belonged to had a very big clique, and if you weren't in it you got nowhere. But I found it very easy to walk away. I just put one foot in front of the other and walked out one Sunday. I never went back. If you believe in God and have him in your heart you don't have to go to church to worship him. As long as you are sincere, he will hear your prayers, and answer them.

@ahwell9984

3 ай бұрын

You can be free. Outside those false teachibgs, God and authentic Christianity await you with open arms.

It's easy for one to deny another's statements. But to deny such well researched, multiple witness statements and accounts IS indeed quite tough. Facts are often times hard to swallow.

Instead of BoM he put BofM. Which made me read it as "Book of fucking Mormon"

@djadams7795

3 жыл бұрын

SYFH Must mean stomping your fkn head.

I visited the LDS temple grounds and then got kicked out of the museum for asking questions. I mean two security guards in red jackets came from out of nowhere and escorted me out.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

Ask me the questions, one at a time, and I will answer them.

@kelliintexas3575

Жыл бұрын

They believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri!!!! QUOTE: " the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County...." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)

@Rope_yogurt

Жыл бұрын

@@gunnerlawts what up with the original 116 pages? How come he couldn't reproduce them? The book of Abraham translation. Kinder hook plates translation Just to name a few

@gunnerlawts

Жыл бұрын

@@Rope_yogurt You do notice that nobody has asked in over 3 years? Here are your answers: "what up with the original 116 pages?" Still lost. Not needed, because God knew they would be, and has provided an alternative text. Happy to go into more detail, but your question is terse - you need to be more specific. "How come he couldn't reproduce them?" False question - I am certain he could, but it's moot because he was told not to. He wouldn't, not couldn't, and it frustrated the evil one. "The book of Abraham translation." There is no question. The BofA is genuine (if it is attached to 'what up'). So-called 'experts' were paid to lie. If you ask specific questions, I will give specific answers. Happy to go into detail. "Kinder hook plates translation" Still no question. Kinder was a scam perpetrated by Satan's minions, and people overlook that and try to blame Smith for being duped, but he wasn't. He didn't have them for a proper evaluation, and was not given them when he asked. "Just to name a few" You have no limit, but ask one at a time and go into specific details. Every issue in Satan's bag of tricks can be refuted - they are gossip and lies, nothing more. Here's another thing you can do - go to the same museum as drew Don and peaceably ask any question you like. Tell me what happens?

@Rope_yogurt

Жыл бұрын

@@gunnerlawts thank you I appreciate the time you took to answer my questions. English isn't my first language sorry

Videos like these always put a spring in my step.

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

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D&C 42:22 "Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else." LDS website 2017: "Joseph Smith married multiple wives." (Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo)

@dchazfan

6 жыл бұрын

He had 34 adulterer of the first degree

@cliftongaither4613

2 жыл бұрын

i was raised mormon , but ive been an atheist as far back as i can remember. my mother is 100% mormon all her life . yes , im like 4th generation mormon my family actually were part of the mormons traveling from east to west in this country. in other words, my family has been mormon since the beginning of the religion. i am indifferent to be proud of that . mormonism teaches hate and bigotry and racism. it is a terrible institution that it's members have no clue of the undertone of their religion and if they do they sweep under the rug or just completely deny it.

What a GREAT video! I’ve read and seen a lot of videos but this one is one of the best!!!!!!! I would love to see another new name for Burger Kings “Whopper” burger but only sold in Salt Lake City, Utah . “The Joseph Smith’s Whopper Burger”!! The amazingly tasty burger should be discounted only toTBMs!!

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

thetiler - you have just swallowed the whopper.

South Park did a great documentary on Mormons.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

I love the dumb dumb dumb song.

@lloydmunga4961

4 жыл бұрын

This video is smart smart smart smart smart

If only I could get my three decades of tithing and life back...

@klarity1111

8 жыл бұрын

I have debated from time to time, but it wears me out. It was research that got me out of Mormonism, but defenders of Mormonism come up with details that are seemingly sensible, then give links. By the time I am done reading the links, their arguments still don't work and I am exhausted. Then there are those who say I am from Satan and similar insults. It's not an easy life to try to help people to "get it".

@godsoffspring4195

8 жыл бұрын

***** We get it...... you have lost the Spirit. Falling from grace accordingly. You have let the negative in, distorting the positive. God Given common sense in you is not at it's best. Love and FAMILY is always the true answer. The eternal FAMILY of God. Guys like Spanky there know nothing about 'the signs of life'. Don't let them drool that crap on you. The adversary is getting the best of you. - Research wisdom..... not anti Mormon hype. So called Christians spitting venom at LDS Christians?? What's wrong with that picture. So called Christians murdering prophets?? - I had a post removed from this thread asking you "what then" if you got your tithing back and how is it you lost your life. What is it you lost in your life supposedly being a Saint for 30 years. -

@klarity1111

8 жыл бұрын

My children needed that money, and they lost out on going to a church where they could have got a real grounding in the Bible and learned to develop a true relationship with Jesus Christ. I can't undo the damage now, because they are grown and out living their own lives. I have not lost the Spirit. I feel stronger spiritual feelings at the church I attend now.

@godsoffspring4195

8 жыл бұрын

***** " ...and learned to develop a true relationship with Jesus Christ." - Please explain. - " I can't undo the damage now, because they are grown and out living their own lives." - Damage and are they are still LDS?? - " I have not lost the Spirit. I feel stronger spiritual feelings at the church I attend now." - So you had the Spirit when you were a Saint but now it's even stronger. Hmmm... Again... please explain how and especially WHY, you developed a "stronger" relationship with our loving Saviour. - I've heard so many times that is actually the other way around from those many converts who left Trinitarian-ism and Unitarians for the rational and understandable God. It's easy to reason why they develop more of a relationship ... well because they actually understand WHAT they worship not just who. LDS God is not an UNKNOWN God to them and the same God as scripture teaches. - I ask these questions because I have found many times people say they left for reasons that's not quite true or true at all. I also ask because a STRONG relationship with Jesus is available anywhere, all you have to do is love and trust in Him. But, the wisdom and knowledge that can go with that does not. That comes only from His accurate church. There can only be one or none at all.

@klarity1111

8 жыл бұрын

Jesus would never mislead me, and neither would the true Spirit.

wonderful thoughtful exceptional video!!!!

If I am not mistaken, I remember watching this video in 2015, 2 days before my scheduled baptism in the LDS church. And just 24 hours before I was supposed to be submerged in this if I remember correctly a roughly 2 cubic meter sized kiddie pool, I've contacted the two elders that were serving in my area at that time, to meet up with me at their church. Once we met up there I've politely asked them to call off/cancel my conversion to Mormonism. You can imagine the look of sadness/frustration/confusion and disappointment on their faces when I told them that I have changed my mind about wanting to be baptized, to which they tried to convince me that the church and it's teachings is the only true path to salvation, and that Satan has gained control of my mind and soul to prevent me from joining them etc... To which I apologized to them for thinking that about me, and politely wished them all the best. From that point onward, over the course of 5 years I was slowly distancing myself from the Mormon church and the missionaries that came and went, which was a long tug of war with them trying to lure me back to attend Sunday church, making me watch Mormon propaganda videos, making me read the Book of Mormon again etc... After all these years I still do wonder how my life would have turned out if I've decided to go along with it and get baptized. Then I start reading about LDS church history (and I am not talking about the sugar-coated version of Mormon history on their church approved websites) and watch videos like this one. After which I reaffirm to myself just how lucky I was to start questioning the validity of what the Mormon missionaries have led me to believe and intentionally kept from me, in order to dupe me into joining a manipulative false quasi religious organization. Really dodged a bullet there. I am not even surprised anymore when I think back to the local members who have joined the LDS church in my area, who are mostly naïve elderly ladies, poor and uneducated families who can't even afford to pay tithing, and a couple of young guys who have had the hots for some sister missionaries, thinking that if they got baptized they would possibly have a chance at dating/marrying (those chumps were simping harder than guys who pay for Belle Delphine's OnlyFans🙄) these oppressed young women who have been brainwashed into thinking that, a temple wedding/being sealed in a temple is the single most important thing in their lives. Later when these sister missionaries got transferred or sent home, those young men all became inactive members. I even knew this chump who only wanted to get baptized, because he had a strong urge to move to the United States. And the reason why he believed/thought that is because, he was told by the ward mission leader that it would be easier to get a green card if he was a member of the LDS church (which was pure nonsense). 🤦‍♂️ Also he was promised that the church would help with his immigration to the US. From what I've heard from other sources the guy ended up leaving the Mormon church about a year and half later when they failed to deliver on that promise. 😅 However in other wards in my country I did meet seemingly rational and emotionally, and from what I can tell financially stable families and individuals who were members but they were quite the minority. Those members were usually pleasant to be around, and I do however rarely very occasionally miss the sense of community and love bombing that I have received while being amongst them. Although in retrospect, it was their tactic to lure investigators to join the church. Just to be clear I am not here to spread hate, and I even had brief friendships with a few elders that I still have fond memories of. In my experience I do think that they are actively trying to be good people, who will not say no when asked for helping you out with yard work, perhaps that's how they get you to convert. But despite all that I do feel that I was manipulated by Mormon missionaries into joining a highly demanding cult that was built upon lies/deception. Ps: I really don't want to upset/offend anyone with my comment. I feel no hatred nor intend my comment to be viewed as hateful towards members of the Mormon church. It was never my intention to offend anyone with my comment but rather criticize the way the LDS church is run by their leaders and how they use/manipulate/deceive/indoctrinate/train young missionaries to lure in new gullible people to be baptized. Furthermore I apologize if I made any grammatical errors since English i not my first language.

@djadams7795

2 жыл бұрын

You failed.

@djadams7795

2 жыл бұрын

The video here is falsifued lies.

@djadams7795

2 жыл бұрын

@kenzie K loser get a life

@jeffs4483

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations for successfully overcoming Mormon evil. Jesus, not Joseph Smith is the only path to salvation.

@ralphwiggam7630

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. It's interesting to hear first-hand account of what the conversion process was like for people. For myself on my mission, I was an extremely successful Elder ... In fact, I was the second highest baptizing Elder out of nearly 200 Missionaries for the two years I was there ... Despite the success, I was CONSTANTLY in trouble with the leadership and our Presiident ... I refused to teach my investigators like they wanted ... Rather than manipulate and coerce, I simply taught from my own understanding of what I believed at the time to be true ... apparently this resonated with many of my Investigators and I had many baptisms ... I later found out that everything I believed was built on liies ... but at the time, in the mission field, I had no idea ... What is rather siick to me now, is reflecting on what I was told by mission leadership and my Presiident on my mission ... I was informed MANY times that other Elders had success and baptized people because they were "doing things the right way" and "being obedient" ... the only reason I was having so much success in the work was because, "I was being blessed" ... So the message was loud and clear, STOP teaching people my own way, simply presenting what I believed at the time to be truth, and coerce, manipulate, and DECEIVE to get baptisms ... no matter how many times they told me, no matter how upset they were with me, I refused to manipulate or liie to anybody ... When I look back on it now it makes me rather siick :( ... I apologize you had to go through that with Elders who were just there because they saw you as a number ... :( Be thankful that you were able to see through the liies and manipulation before it was too late!!!

I lost a really good friend to this cult ....I am a Christian and pray that one day the truth will be known and accepted by her.

@JohnDoe-rs3oh

4 жыл бұрын

Ralph Wiggam If you're a born again Christian, then its not a cult, but the truth. John 14:6

@thepreacher5934

4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-rs3oh Pastor Steven Anderson has already debunked the so-called ''born again movement''. It's of the devil!

@JohnDoe-rs3oh

4 жыл бұрын

The Preacher No he hasn't debunked anything. Its not of the devil, you're of the devil for saying that. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ my Lord & my God. REPENT! You must be born again to see the kingdom of God. Read John chapter 3. Mr. Anderson has to much hate in his heart, and he does not bear good fruit, he does not have the fruit of the Spirit, but the works of the flesh. You and him need to REPENT!

@pauljacobs435

4 жыл бұрын

Ralph Wiggam you set the warring cultists off pretty well here.

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

Paul Gregersen debunked the Egyptologist crap presented on the above video, what is your response?

PT Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute."

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

Does that fit you? Yes, of course. As you were GULLIBLE enough to have trusted anti-Mormon Christians.

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

p.s. The above video is from anti-Mormon Christians.

@WhereWhatHuh

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 These points are proved within Mormonism's own sources. Don't trust the "Anti?" Then read for yourself. Ask your Bishop about the Toronto Prophecy, and then ask how you can know if revelation comes from God or from the devil. I dare you to ask.

@daveyjones9930

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 Your fearless leader, Russ Nelson COMMANDED YOU MOEMONS to STOP USING the word "MORMON", yet you're STILL DOING IT!!---just like US non/anti MORMONS!! WHICH demonstrates how much you REALLY "follow the prophet"!!

@daveyjones9930

4 жыл бұрын

@Mike Siler "test"?? Care to elaborate?

If you're investigating the LDS church, stay as FAR away from it as possible. I was born into the covenant, and this church tore my family apart. Many Mormon apologists will claim that this video is false, but can never really refute the evidence clearly laid out in this video.

@peterpiper7441

9 жыл бұрын

You said it far more clearly and succinctly than many other people.

@perennialxennial

9 жыл бұрын

Peter Piper Thank you. I can't stick my head that far up my ass to believe in this book that have been disproven so much. I understand enlightenment makes some people uncomfortable, and that's why the Mormon Church focuses so much on converting others from Latin-America and Asia, where a lot people are uneducated. I have nothing against Mormon people. They are the victims in this case. There are many Mormons that are smart people that are brainwashed to believe this stuff.

@peterpiper7441

9 жыл бұрын

AnxietyMisfit All too true. I have nothing against Mormons either, but when you start to look into Mormonism there are just too many things that don't add up. This video covers quite a few of the issues, but by no means all of them.

@Rypaul5217

9 жыл бұрын

True, but needless to say, a lot of Mormons already know that it is not what it claims to be, but stay in the Church to be socially acceptable, to keep ties with family and friends. It is only when believing in the lie becomes too much, and obvious that Joseph Smith faked everything that they decide to change their lives. But as soon as they decide to question the religion, and its leadership, they find out what the real problem is. The LDS leaders and the die in the wool members do everything they can to cast guilt upon them and fault them for their questions and convictions, which is to say that it is the "15" who rule on top of the organization is what controls the mind of its members down throughout the chain of command, with fear and retribution, pompous authority figure, and with moral indoctrination. After all the church is the only true church and the only means for salvation to get to become a god someday. Of course, nothing is further from the truth. Mormonism is a polytheistic religion. It has the same control over its converts as any other Christian cult out there. Its sad.

@perennialxennial

9 жыл бұрын

Rypaul5217 You're right on the money I couldn't have said it better myself.

Joseph was doing psychedelics and had a crazy trip lol

@djadams7795

3 жыл бұрын

Moron

@John-st7bf

3 жыл бұрын

@@djadams7795 now is that anyway to be Christ like?

@djadams7795

3 жыл бұрын

@@John-st7bf lying is not Christ like. I told the truth. Idiot!

@John-st7bf

3 жыл бұрын

@@djadams7795 dude your such a liar, telling the truth you? When hell freezes over. Dude you do not show the fruits of the Spirit by insulting others with malice and hate. Your only condemning yourself

@djadams7795

3 жыл бұрын

@@John-st7bf No dude. You got it all backwards. You are the incessant liar who has terrible grammar and cannot spell!

Great Video I keep watching I applaud your generosity to helping others good work I hope this will help others to overcome the cult of Mormonism

I have a former friend who has joined this cult - I could not even convince him that you have to give 10 percent of your income to these people

@claudiachurch4285

4 жыл бұрын

yes we do give 10% but you will never go hungry , you will never be evicted , you will never have your electricity turned off , look into where the tithing goes and how it is used before you comment

@josephsorg

4 жыл бұрын

@@claudiachurch4285 7 billion taken in annually, the churches own admission is they spend 40 million on humanitarian aid. Do the math. They give a pittance compared to what they bring in. So yes where does the tithing money go? Too bad the church does not disclose any of their financials. A non profit that claims they are responsible responsible for the salvation of all humankind, yet the don't share what they do with the money they take in.Their books are closed. Why so secretive? They do however build billion dollar shopping malls. operate huge hunting preserves, condo developments, office complexes.

@claudiachurch4285

4 жыл бұрын

@@josephsorg they were the only church with relief food equipment and Drs in the first week of Katrina , no other church was there , you dont agree with their use of funds , then dont join and dont give simple answer

@josephsorg

4 жыл бұрын

@@claudiachurch4285 You didnt answer the question. Why are their books closed? Why do they not disclose where the money they take in goes. Why all the secrecy?

@troids117

4 жыл бұрын

@@josephsorg They build temples, churches, fund missions, have education programs etc. God never said give money to the church then the church will give. He said give money of your own accord to the poor. I hate to be a little rude but the church needs money to build and maintain its structures and programs. It's quite obvious what the money is used for, not a "shocking revelation". On the investment note, good thing they do invest it. If they have more than they need at the time better to grow it now.

This video is a great teaching aid for soon-to-be-x-mormons. Well researched history. Thank you.

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

Post- (dumb as a post, more like), maybe it's time I re-posted (there's a pun in there) my rebuttals? Since you know about well researched history, can you correct anything I claimed?

@moronibaloney6888

5 жыл бұрын

@@gunnerlawts Hey, here is an Eric Lawton original: "As part of his punishment Cain was separated from others with a mark to distinguish his posterity so that they would remain cursed as to the priesthood. This mark was not identified in scripture. When eight people were saved from the flood, one of them was a descendant of Cain. It was Egyptus, the wife of Ham, and their posterity was barred from holding the priesthood. The mark also carried on, and a separated populace ensued after the flood, as it had done with Cain. They became the first Egyptians and, more specifically, the Negroid races." - Eric Lawton, "True Religion" Now here is the LDS church's rebuttal to you: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form." Eric, it seems that you are an apostate.

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

Baloney, you prompt me to bring back a few Eric originals on this clip. You are quite the imbecile, because the church does not disavow what I have said, and you read between the lines to get such a wrong conclusion. I will run through it line by line to make sure it doesn't - "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse {Did I say that BLACK SKIN was the mark? No - you read between the lines. If you look to the end of what I said, I said it was the Negroid race, and skin colour is only a portion of the mark, which is not the mark until all aspects are there. The church has not denied the priesthood to every other black skinned race (somewhere around 50), so can rightly disavow black skin as a sign or curse} , or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; {did I say it was so that the unrighteous could come to Earth? No - you read between the lines, once again. By all means, cut and paste the part that says they were unrighteous before birth? You don't have a snowball's chance in hell, you clown.} that mixed-race marriages are a sin; {did I say mixed-race marriages are a sin? No - you read between the lines for a third time. By all means, cut and paste the part that says mixed-race marriages are a sin?} or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else {did I say blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior? No - you read between the lines for a fourth time. By all means, cut and paste the part that says blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior?} Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form." {This is what leaders say about today, and did I say anything about what the church does today? No. You have read between the lines five times in 3 or 4 lines (depending on how wide your page is - it varies - more if you are reading a phone).} It's this complete stupidity while reading that has caused there to be 50,000 Christian sects out of one bible. My e-book is 'True Religion Explained', not "True Religion", and people can read it for themselves. Baloney is full of it (baloney). Now, where are those Eric Lawton originals?

@moronibaloney6888

5 жыл бұрын

@@gunnerlawts It's the same thing Eric, even if you try to wordsmith your way out of it. You are an apostate member of an apostate church. ".Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse..or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. " - LDS.org "It was purely that the time for the curse Cain received had not expired." - Eric Lawton If you say that Negroes now or ever have been under the CURSE of Cain, you are saying that that they were/are INFERIOR. Having a curse is not a positive attribute. Yes, the church has disavowed your words. Even Bruce R. McConkie disavowed his own former words which you pretty much still hang onto. The flip-flops on polygamy and the curse of Cain are classic signs that the LDS church is uninspired and subject to the vagaries of men. God wouldn't be the author of this confusion. Were your parents siblings?

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

Avenged, I don't crack you up half as much as that road cracked you when you bounced down it on your head. They were well and truly separated when a plastered Harris lied about it in the bar. No, pictures are not official records unless directly specified. You bounced at the time of the accident, and your mind hasn't stopped bouncing, since.

Back in the 80's I was assigned to Hill AFB, UT and one of my supervisors was a man known as George Thompson. The guy was a historian on the Utah Gold mines and wrote about 4 books. He told me once and I still remember it to this day, that when Young and party were heading out to Utah when they were getting close to the valley, Brigham Young was running a high fever (That is from historical accounts) and when he looked out from the back of the wagon he stated "This is the place? Lord help us.". Once of the party asked him what he said, at which he replied "This is the place."

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam…….. Ralphy...… readers are wondering how land "nobody else wanted" can be stolen?? :>)

@goodgirlkay

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf does this have to do with the claims in this video? Every single place where people have settled, someone had to stop and say, THIS IS THE PLACE we are going to settle. Do you consider this mundane story as proof that Brigham was a prophet? LMBAO!

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@@goodgirlkay You are incapable of connecting the dots. Those who do, know that when a man says "this is the place" in the worst place imaginable and it turns out to be one of the wealthiest states in a highly wealthy country, he's either the luckiest dope, or a prophet. That's what it has to do with it. There isn't much musing going on in that black alien brain of yours.

@2326038

4 жыл бұрын

@@gunnerlawts Two choices? That's easy. He's not a prophet.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@@2326038 Fool - one choice is wrong. Not as easy as you think.

So who else believes these gold plates never existed?

@2326038

5 жыл бұрын

Most likely even most mormons do but are too brainwashed to admit it.

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

@@2326038…. I do. :>)

@2326038

5 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 Being from the Northern Interior, it doesn't surprise me. :)

@godsoffspring4195

5 жыл бұрын

@@2326038…… Oops, I misspoke. I read wolf's post wrong. I meant to say...… I don't. I don't believe the plates never existed. I believe they did and they do because the scriptures, Christ's own words, the holy Spirit and God given common sense have shown me so. So people from the north interior are dumber than you?? Is it the food up here or the weather or something. :>)

@2326038

5 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 Me too, Ooops. I should have written the mormons" in the Northern Interior". Moose meat ain't that bad. :)

Great question!!..."If the angel Moroni had lived as a man on the right side of the war, why did he become an angel instead of a god?"

@mimked

5 жыл бұрын

In due time. The claim was never that good people would become gods immediately upon death, but that they could progress to become like God over time (through the eternities). The fact that Moroni would be an angel before the Second Coming of Christ disproves nothing.

@rustynelson2357

4 жыл бұрын

@@mimked Why did Joseph first say his name was Nephi... and then it was changed to Moroni later?

@mimked

4 жыл бұрын

@@rustynelson2357 he didn't. It was originally recorded as Moroni, but then a scribe made a simple error. See here: www.fairmormon.org/answers/Moroni%27s_visit/Nephi_or_Moroni#Question:_Did_Joseph_Smith_originally_identify_the_angel_that_visited_him_as_.22Nephi.22_instead_of_.22Moroni.22.3F

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

@@rustynelson2357 This has already been covered. Voro Kusanagi just proved it to you.

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

@@rustynelson2357 The EGYPTOLOGISTS being DEBUNKED has also been covered. Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. That video debunked the Egyptologists by demonstrating that the translation/explanation of the Egyptian from Joseph Smith was never supposed to match up with the interpretation from the Egyptological field to begin with.

Amazing video. Had questions I wanted to ask Mormon friends I have, but afraid to ask. I would never try to talk them out of it. If what you believe makes you a better person, I won’t interject. Thanks for the info I’ve been looking for.

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

The above video is a bunch of crap.

@jakedober5410

4 жыл бұрын

Give me a call over google hangout anytime. Just send me an email and I'll send you the invite and I'll explain how we know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth. jakedober2@gmail.com

@kelliintexas3575

Жыл бұрын

They believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri!!!! QUOTE: " the whole earth was paradisiacal before the Fall. The Garden of Eden was a center place. After the Fall, there was no Garden of Eden or paradisiacal status on earth. Yet relative to the locale of the site of the Garden of Eden, the Prophet Joseph Smith learned through revelation (D&C 57) that Jackson County was the location of a Zion to be and the New Jerusalem to come. The Prophet first visited Jackson County, Missouri, in the summer of 1831. The Prophet visited Jackson County again in April and May 1832. On one of the occasions, or perhaps both, the Prophet Joseph apparently instructed his close associates, and perhaps even a general Church gathering, that the ancient Garden of Eden was also located in Jackson County...." Brigham Young stated, “Joseph the Prophet told me that the garden of Eden was in Jackson [County] Missouri.” (Journal of Wilford Woodruff, vol. 5, 15 Mar. 1857, Archives Division, Church Historical Dept., Salt Lake City.)

Excellent presentation; thank you!

@mutestingray

3 жыл бұрын

@HEAVEN IS 4 REAL don’t you mean the outer darkness? I’m not sure Mormons even know what they believe. With a theology that proclaims you yourself can become a god, I’d be confused as hell, too.

@mutestingray

3 жыл бұрын

@Avenged- Sevenfold they’re being purposely inflammatory, of course. I feel bad that Joseph Smith has confused and mislead all of these people.

@gunnerlawts

3 жыл бұрын

@@mutestingray [With a theology that proclaims you yourself can become a god, I’d be confused as hell, too.] So show me one species that the offspring doesn't end up exactly what the parent is? We are children of God, therefore must mature to be Gods. There is a restriction on the levels of reward for many, but we cannot be held back from maturing to being immortal, whaetver the rewards. You are probbly confused as to what flavour ice cream to buy out of vanilla and chocolate.

@mutestingray

3 жыл бұрын

@@gunnerlawts the only perfect image of the Father is the Son; the Father begets the Son; the Son loves the Father in this eternal communication of love which is the Holy Spirit; the “infinite co-naturality of three infinites”. I am made in the image and likeness of God, but that image and likeness is distorted by original sin. Despite this, I am a creation of God; I am His child by being adopted and being part of the mystical Body of Christ. I have a likeness of God’s image, but to suggest that I am anything close to the Divine substance would be to say that I am God which is blasphemous. God is God; I’m invited to share in divine life insomuch as I am invited; not because I have any claim or inheritance.

@gunnerlawts

3 жыл бұрын

@@mutestingray [the only perfect image of the Father is the Son; One is not an image of himself if he is himself. [the Father begets the Son;] Not with himself, but from himelf, and fathers continue to live sepaately. [the Son loves the Father in this eternal communication of love which is the Holy Spirit; the “infinite co-naturality of three infinites”.] Don't get muddled by your own nonsense. [I am made in the image and likeness of God, but that image and likeness is distorted by original sin.] And you are a separate being, also. [Despite this, I am a creation of God; I am His child by being adopted and being part of the mystical Body of Christ.] Jess adopts you - Elohim fathered your spirit. [I have a likeness of God’s image, but to suggest that I am anything close to the Divine substance would be to say that I am God which is blasphemous.] It is to say you are a child of God, not a toy he made. [God is God; I’m invited to share in divine life insomuch as I am invited; not because I have any claim or inheritance.] Jesus gathers his chickens - it's a heritage thing - he's not collecting toys. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1998/10/we-are-children-of-god?lang=eng

This video is relaxing

@monkeyslap

4 жыл бұрын

It’s almost like that video from the 60s or something warning young boys about homos.

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

This video is from a pack of anti-Mormon christians. They're despicable.

This video is surprisingly very accurate in its presentation of the 10 issues explained

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

The Egyptological crap was debunked in the year 2014, where have you been?

@robertrosskopf4641

5 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 Every time the church is supposedly debunked, wait a month. It will be undebunked. The complicated reasoning that "debunked" the Book of Abraham was based on false assumptions. One of those assumptions was that Joseph Smith wrote the Kirtland Egyptian Papers. If he did, he did it in someone else's handwriting. Another assumption was that the KEP were translation notes. It can be demonstrated that they are not translation notes. The third assumption was that the eye witness testimony of both member and non-members was wrong concerning the length of the Book of Abraham scroll. The Book of Abraham scroll was maybe 20 feet long, and certainly not the 1 or 2 page Sensen Permit.

@nerdnul

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 Have you discovered the truth yet Rich?

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertrosskopf4641 Strange how that these anti-Mormons make assumptions, get proven wrong, ignore it, then continue on as if no one will ever notice.

@robertrosskopf4641

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 People seldom know when they live in an imaginary world. That is true for both members and nonmembers. There are traditions in the LDS church that did not come from a prophet's revelation. And sometimes we as members are entirely too trusting. Sometimes though it would be wise for Skeptics to be skeptical of the skepticism. Doubt, by itself, isn't a source of Truth.

Joseph Smith was one of the greatest prankster/charlatans that lived. Funny guy! Too bad his prank caused so much harm and was so blasphemous.

@garrettrichards5559

5 жыл бұрын

Just because you point out someone is a charlatan does not make you one. I have not created a fake religion and lied about seeing God, Jesus, and/or angels in a pillar of light or fire to get money, power, and sex from teen girls and already-married women. Joseph Smith did. I can point that out without being guilty of the same crimes. I do not wish to defraud anyone and pretend to be a prophet. I do not wish to use a so-called prophetic calling to bed teen girls. That's just disgusting.

@valeriegriner5644

5 жыл бұрын

@@garrettrichards5559 I totally agree....it's disgusting. Plus...he threatened them with "eternal damnation" if they didn't "marry" him. What a creep.

@garrettrichards5559

5 жыл бұрын

@Valerie Griner It's so creepy. It's predatory coercion. The sad thing is there are TBMs today who would give their daughter to the prophet if asked. Yuck!

@claudiachurch4285

5 жыл бұрын

shut up

@garrettrichards5559

5 жыл бұрын

Saying "Shut up" isn't a good way to win an argument, Claudia. Do you have anything substantive to say?

Your faith with God is not the same as your relationship with your Church

Good video, liked and subscribed and I see I’m wondering why this is the only content posted by this creator has nearly 4K subscribers, but why no new content in 10years! This is the only video uploaded! Give us more, please!

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't consider the above video as "good".

@rickdavis2235

Жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes5676 Wrote: " I wouldn't consider the above video as "good". " The video exposes the perverted gospel of Mormonism. That's fantastic. Galatians 1:6-7 6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to PERVERT the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. That's exactly what Joseph Smith did. Because he was ignorant of Scripture, he chose the very thing, an angel from heaven, that the word of God warned against to pull of his scam.

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

@@rickdavis2235 Paul Gregersen debunked the arrogant Egyptologist info presented on the above video.

@rickdavis2235

Жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes5676 wrote: " Paul Gregersen debunked the arrogant Egyptologist info presented on the above video. " I've conversed with Paul and he's just another lost Mormon with high hopes that someday, somewhere, somehow, someone will find a tiny sliver of hope in the form of evidence that will lend validity to the religion of Mormonism. Right now there is none. Nobody has debunked any Egyptologists. You're welcome to believe that but it's nothing more than wishful thinking and desperation. No legitimate Egytologist would accept that claim. You believe in a business that masquerades as a religion and that's why you latch onto every whim that comes along. Mormonism talks of great civilizations and battles and temples and peoples but not a shred of evidence that any of it took place. Massive civilizations of millions always leave evidence. Mormons don't even have a single ancient manuscript left behind by any of their prophets.

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

@@rickdavis2235 Do you have a clue on proper interpretation here?

This is a very well put together video. If anyone questions the info brought by this video, it's easy to verify it. Though I do expect many Mormons to be offended by this.

@richardholmes7199

7 жыл бұрын

Their anti-Book of Abraham info is wrong to begin with.

@shawnmcaraphy5973

7 жыл бұрын

+Richard Holmes Who is laying on the alter?

@steelman1506

6 жыл бұрын

Richard Holmes You're funny. Yes we know that now Joseph Smith was simply saying that our internal organs should be pagan gods....by your interpretation of the facsimile this is what Mr smith was saying. LOL

@TheFpCassini

6 жыл бұрын

+Richard Holmes please elaborate. thanks.

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

@@steelman1506 Were you STUPID enough to have believed the Egyptologists were right? Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube'' to see this translation of the sensen text the right way. Then tell us if you all were indeed STUPID enough to have trusted an arrogant Egyptologist, then came to find out the Egyptologists based everything on false assumptions on translation. Let me know if you all and the Egyptologists were STUPID enough to have believed the Egyptological assessments on translation were right, in other words.

Can Masons fake their way into the Mormon CK? ;)

Excellent voices and reading! I wish you read books!

This is an incredible presentation everyone should see. After all, if the church is fraudulent "it ought to be harmed".

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

Hey silly Ralphey, gone quiet on me? Too busy shopping? LOL

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

Silly Ralphey, stop with the ad hominem; isn't that what you clowns begin with? But you have run out of puff, and so ad hominem is the final squeals of a dying pig. I eat your kind for breakfast.

@gunnerlawts

5 жыл бұрын

Hey D, since silly Ralphey is finished, how about you consider this? The church had to begin as a fraud in 1830, so it ought to have been harmed long before now - how long are you going to wait? LOL! Anti material protects the church against harm; it keeps out the dross. Our very discussing your nonsense separates the faithful from Satan's minions, and preserves the church - we get to grow with the right people in it, and the wrong one's out. Don't think the internet was the beginning of this; it has been going on since before a bible study class plotted the murder of Smith. The start of belonging to Satan while he pretends to be God is abject stupidity, but it has to be married with sin and mischief.

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam LIE much?

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam What lies?

Very interesting video. Thanks.

Sitting here in Utah watching the church crumble. In the next 5-10 years it will crash and burn, I'll love it...

@ericlawton4264

5 жыл бұрын

fps_iron, in the next 5-10 years the whole world might crash and burn. You will wish you were LDS.

@levlev.1028

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericlawton4264 hahahahahahahahahahahahah but yes, you are damned right. The whole world will be trashed and burning, and you'll be wishing you had read the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Revelations

@tim4505

5 жыл бұрын

I'm an ex-Mormon and ex-Californian now living in SLC. I'm their worst enemy lol, Bring.them.down.

@daveyjones9930

5 жыл бұрын

I'm also an enemy of Mormonism, and I don't believe the LDS church will crash and burn completely. There will always be hardheaded LDS zealots who refuse to give it up. (I call them "Packerites", in honor of their patron saint, Boyd K. Packer!) What I see happening in the next 20-30 years is LDS Inc. will become as irrelevant as RLDS (Community of Christ). An impotent shell of a church. I also predict that ALL religions will suffer a similar fate. Human progress has been the victim of religious intolerance, division, brutality and hatred for thousands of years. It's way past time for ALL religion to end! I say good riddance...and BRING IT ON!!

@tinybsas5759

5 жыл бұрын

@@ericlawton4264 Amen, brother! True to the faith.

When will someone explain the ten issues of the Catholic Church D Johnson

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam Here's a direct reply to you , you insane devil - lying about me is not what this video is about, but that's all you ever do - you're not only confused; you're a raving lunatic and a hypocrite, and I don't have to ask - it's self evident. That took absolutely no courage, and you should know; I have done it once before after saying I choose not to, generally. Only a stupid fool would accuse me of cowardice when that has happened, so I remind you again - it has NOTHING to do with this video, but it is me steering you like a bull with a nose ring.

I watched this video about six years ago. I'm so sad that the channel only ever uploaded a handful of videos.

@ralphwiggam7630

3 жыл бұрын

Truth is eternal ... liies will always be liies ... Our "church"was founded on frawd then, and it's still frawd now ... :P

Amazing work sir. You really explained keys points without being too personal. Keep it up. Truly

@djadams7795

2 жыл бұрын

Zzzz stop the grifting

@fredricksmith-something.2125

2 жыл бұрын

@@djadams7795 Shhhhhh. It wasn't grifting. Relax

What idiot would ever believe that people sealed themselves in barrels with bees as a means of travel?

@StarlightEater

5 жыл бұрын

I can see that. I don't know a single person that attends any type of religious service without it being an obligation to a (generally much older, thus, respected) family member. All the young people figured out it's just a scam to fleece you for 10% of your earnings to subsidize a priest/preacher/rabbi/imam goin out n fuckin. The church requires a certian perverse lifestyle where you just pretend your kids don't have that rape trauma 1000 yard stare and just tell him to pray on his nocturnal emissions and join the marines.

@Ryno-fp7pm

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a doozy.

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

Anybody going to admit the EGYPTOLOGISTS and those who supported them have been DEBUNKED, proven STUPID?

@richardholmes7199

5 жыл бұрын

p.s. It does not say the Jaredites brought bees to the new world in the Book of Mormon.

@kalebtrejo3388

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes7199 🤣🤣🤣

I was just thinking that about l Ron Hubbard,,,

@mutestingray

3 жыл бұрын

America has an uncanny ability to produce these people.

@patricianoel7782

4 ай бұрын

One cult meets another. 😮

Well done! However id like to add that the quran was not compiled into its textual form by Muhammad. I believe it wasnt until Ali became caliph that it was textualized. But please correct me if ive sited the wrong caliph

It's hard to believe but a relative major religion is dying before our eyes. There may be hope for mankind after all.

@klarity1111

7 жыл бұрын

It has died off in my area. You have to drive a long ways to find a Mormon meetinghouse.

@maggiecarpenter1299

7 жыл бұрын

***** Most lies do die off.

@klarity1111

7 жыл бұрын

When you do find a Mormon meetinghouse, my husband tells me (he still goes sometimes) that there are 1/2 to 1/3 of the number of people that used to attend. Yet they still say that they are the fastest growing religion?

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

We often get wards drop quickly in numbers. It happens every time we split 2 into 3 because of our rapid growth. Seeing one go down is not proof of the church shrinking.

@maggiecarpenter1299

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Lawton You lie. The Mormon Church is the fastest declining church in America. The truth of the internet killed it and the lies of Joseph Smith the rapist.

Damn, this is like reading/listening to a Bad Sci-Fi novel

@michaels4255

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed, the BoM itself is just Spalding's unpublished fantasy novel with a bit of theology added by Sydney Rigdon: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eXlkvLtph6XeXdo.html

@gowdsake7103

4 жыл бұрын

Quite a lot like scientology

@racerx4152

3 жыл бұрын

scientology is far far worse.

@gowdsake7103

3 жыл бұрын

@@racerx4152 In terms of being made up BS ?or just in the manipulation ?

Hey, ya'all, don't forget about all the Mormon episodes on South Park !

Interestingly, Joseph Smith and other members of his family had metal smithing skills. After visiting Palmyra, NY and the Smith homestead, it occurred to me that Joseph Smith or his father or his brothers could have easily forged (in both senses of the term) some plates using a gold colored metal such as brass or bronze. The plates were later taken up to heaven so that further close examination could not be made of the sort of metal used in the plates.

@djadams7795

4 жыл бұрын

The above video is mostly FAKE NEWS. LINKS to 100's of scholars and research the refute most of these arguments: www.bookofmormonevidence.org has hundreds of videos, and so does www.bookofmormonevidencestreaming.com. Watch this video for the truth about The Book of Abraham, the first false premise in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGVtxpd8nL2zh9I.html. Bruce Porter has been to Israel and Egypt as a world-class scholar, over a hundred times EACH, and has done more research on the Book of Abraham, than anyone who makes "anti-Mormon" materials on it. Could it be that those who "leave" or criticize the Restored Church of Jesus Christ, are no different than anyone who gives up on themselves in blame because of some deeper betrayal, hurt, anger toward someone else (parents, leaders, God, or very mortal people "in-process" like everyone else)? We ALL are hypocrites to some extent or another! It's called PROJECTING ONTO OTHERS our own perceptions, and adopting some other form of truth to fit the narrative we adopt instead, to cover up pain, self-deceive, or explain away our LACK of effort to PROVE things out with all methods available to learn SELF-EVIDENT TRUTHS. Yes, it IS a harder path, but we get to choose. We choose Christ, and the Book of Mormon WILL stand any test of time and fact! These "TOP 10" arguments are just perceptions with statements of assumption, false reports on the internet, bad experiences, or explaining away HISTORICAL FACTS with anti-Mormon "historical" accounts, which were based in hate, bigotry, prejudice, and even murderous intentions and even murderous results! Quote them all you want as "historical" but what are the self-evident fruits? HERE are TRUE FACTS that show this video is wrong: *DNA DOES match the Eastern U.S. Native Tribes with the HAPLO X Group of some of the most pure Hebrews in the Middle-East: the Ashkenazi Jews! *There IS AMAZING evidence of the Nephite/Lamanite Cultures and Peoples. There are over 1 MILLION ancient MOUNDS just in the eastern half of the U.S. Check out the ADENA & HOPEWELL Civilizations. THERE ARE BLAZING EVIDENCES beyond anyone's wildest imaginations that align with the Jaredites & Nephites and more. We have filmed over 12 states worth of museums that yes, have the answers in the Native American Histories of Ancient America. *There ARE HEBREW ORIGINS: www.crystalinks.com/decalogue.html (Decalog Newark, OHIO stone...shows Moses and the 10 Commandments, unburied here in the U.S. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone. How could Joseph Smith ever have known about THIS stone with the 10 commandments on it in New Mexico? www.ancient-hebrew.org/ancientman/1055.html. There was a cover-up about the BAT-CREEK STONE that is in the Cherokee Museum after the Smithsonian displayed it upside down, until HEBREW SCHOLAR told them it was NOT ancient Cherokee, but HEBREW. It's interesting that 2 Smithsonian Curators both were involved in cover-ups (William Powell and E.V. Squires)...even bulldozing Hebrew-looking MOUNDS in the form of a Menorah, and Hebrew Lamp (huge earthworks) to hide Hebrew connections. Why? Could it be that BOTH their fathers were ministers in no other than PALMYRA, N.Y. during Joseph SMith's lifetime? There is too much real history "MormonHistoryBuff" is completely ignorant about, let alone cynical? Any historical account about ANYTHING will have various accounts by different people (ie., the parable of the blind men inspecting different parts of an elephant...each blind man-like blind anti-Christians /Mormons- could each swear they were observing the real elephant...but each is feeling and describing a different part!). His "logic" seems more ILL than logical: illogical. Every organization has discrepancies as a working body that grows over time...and makes mistakes. Pres. Nelson said in his 1st Press Conference as the new President of the Church "We never said we were infallible." None of us is! Never were! That's why there is an amazing person in Jesus who IS real, and is speaking to all the world in Holy Scripture: the Bible, Book of Mormon and more. Isn't it wonderful that some good parents don't do to their children what MormonHistoryBuff's behavior demonstrates? He uses 6 Negative "C's." He's Critical, Cynical, Contentious, Combative, Condemning, and Contemptuous. Perhaps he is basing divisive ideas among people in the Church, which would be right. Many LDS scholars HAVE changed the narrative that has mostly been consistent over 200 years, on the Peep Stone vs. Urim & Thummim, on Evolution (www.UniversalModel.com teaches truth more than BYU "Scholars?" In the 1800's and before, written or oral accounts DID differ, based on very mortal individuals, so we could point out discrepancies in ANY historical account about anything. Thank you for reading if you did this far. I know for myself that Jesus is the Christ, my Best Friend, and that Joseph Smith was a true moral man with an honest heart. He said what applies to all of us: "I'm only a prophet when I'm a prophet. The rest of the time, I'm a man." (Paraphrased). It would be better to live the positive "C's" like Compassion, Charity, Community and Christian principles better...every one of us~

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam Silly lying wigs, I have refuted this many times, already, but since you keep lying, I will keep refuting. I just might tally the lies one day like I tallied the week's worth of foul mouth you displayed. [The "testimony" of every person who saw the "plates" is invalid.] If this was true, it would be removed from the preface. You lie. [They were all personally related to Joseph Smith.] Another complete lie. The Whitmer's were unrelated.] [They were all deeply entrenched in the foundation of our "Church"] True, but that is only natural. [They all believed in "Second Sight" and seeing things with their "Spiritual Eyes".] Another lie. remember me telling you to prove this after I said only two stated it and that after they had long been apostate? One was even rolling drunk after being plied by Satan's minions. Well, there are 11 witnesses - prove 11 believed this! [Several of the "Witnesses" actually admitted to only ever seeing the "plates" with their "Spiritual Eyes" too ... oops ... ] Get to work or go to hell. [None of the "Witnesses" actually signed the affidavit confirming that they "saw" the "plates". There was one piece of paper signed for them by Oliver Cowdery ... oops ... ] A matter of convenience. If Oliver had made it up, there would be all of the witnesses demand they were not included in the first edition print. None did. In fact, none tried to get their names removed for as long as they all lived. OOOPS! [Not to mention that EIGHT out of the 11 original "Witnesses" all sided with James Strang after Joseph died, NOT Brigham Young.] Poor judgment. Most were already apostate and many knew BY wanted to move West.[They all sustained Strang as "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" too ... including Strang's divine appointment, translation of ancient scripture, use of seer stones, and they went with Strang to his island Kingdom in the Great Lakes ... Oops lol :P] The trip was much easier and they liked swimming. How did they fare as a church? Are you trying to say Strang's church is the true church? You will need a lot more than 8 apostates to validate that nonsense. OOOOPS! Now if there are some really gullible people out there who believe your side of the debate, you are welcome to them - they would not make it in the kingdom, and would be dangerous from within. You serve God's purposes while you serve Satan.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam SLW, one more point while you take a day to respond to your other guff I blew away - What's the difference between a man who just promises royalties on the book and one who makes false plates? The making false plates is a lot of work, and just offering a cut would be so much easier. Sort of makes your suggestion stupid, doesn't it?

@danstephensen9032

8 ай бұрын

And Satan triumphs through you fools.

@patricianoel7782

6 ай бұрын

Read “Studies of the Book of Mormon “ by BH Roberts. He was the early church historian. He found strong parallels of the Book of Mormon to “Views of the Hebrews “. I was a devout member for 64 years. 2years ago I began studying/reading. Believe me, I was devastated to find my whole life I’d been living in a cult. My family is 7th generation. 😮

If the angel Moroni had lived as a man on the right side of the war, why did he become an angel instead of a god?

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

He's on his way to being a god.

@stephenszucs8439

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Lawton "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one [echad] flesh. " Genesis 2:24 "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10 "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35 "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39 "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39 "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4 "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22 "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32 "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60 "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15 "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20 "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6 "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31 "You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20 "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8 "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5 "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14 "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18 "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21 "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9 "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one [hen] and love the other, or he will be devoted to one [hen] and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one [hen] flesh"? " Matthew 19:5 "But do not be called Rabbi; for One [hen] is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." Matthew 23:8 "Do not be called leaders; for One [hen] is your Leader, that is, Christ." Matthew 23:10 ""The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; " Mark 12:29 "you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44 "I and the Father are one [hen]." John 10:30 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one [hen], just as We are one [hen]" John 17:22 "since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30 "to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27 "there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4 "yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6 "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20 "There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6 "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17 "which He will bring about at the proper time-He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16 "For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5 "You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4 "the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25 By Steve Rudd

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

Genesis 2:24 When you were joined to your wife, did you become two personalities in one physical body? If not, then why do you believe God is 3 in no physical body? You have a scripture that says one, and you can't get your head around it, so believe a lie. Exodus 8:10 Speaking of the people and gods they had around. Ditto for Deuteronomy 4:35, 39, 32:39, and so on. 1 Corinthians 8:6 Why do they say one Father and one Jesus? If it is the same one, no need to say one AND one. Galatians 3:20 If Father and Jesus ARE one, then this says Jesus can't be a mediator. Having a mediator requires three, all up - no less. When Jesus prayed to His Father, there were two in two places. The Father didn't father Himself, and if He could, He would not be there to listen to Himself pray, which would be madness to do so, in any case. When Jesus ascended, He said he was going to His and their (our) Father. He didn't say He was becoming that Father for a second time. When Stephen was stoned, he saw the two standing next to each other. If you lock MPD's (now called an identity disorder) in asylums and treat them by doctors, you should not be worshipping one. It's hypocrisy, but worse - it's madness. Your evil god is both impossible and insane, and more closely resembles the definition of Satan. It is this being a complete idiot that causes you to misunderstand so many scriptures.

@presidenteldermarkhoffman8304

7 жыл бұрын

fiction

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

+Jem7V Steve,here is a maniac who has gone silent on me. I take this from my emails, where it appears, but not here where it should be. He has this ability to keep it from posting, then usually denies sending anything. I don't get the full text in he email, so I can't respond properly. Can you provide the missing part? [+Stephen Szucs Eric is a troll that is famous for making racist idiotic statements which he lies about later. Its just how he operates. He once tried to tell someone on here by the name of Jesus Eternal that The book of Revelation talked of the Garden of Eden being in the Missouri (which is what mormons believe), later he even said "I showed you in scripture where that was" right as he went off into one of his mormon name calling temper tantrums. He has ripped into Blacks (whom he refers to as ...] END Jem is the prolific liar. Any person can check the original post and they will find that "the book of" is not there. I merely said Revelation, and meant modern revelation, not a book in the bible. However, an inadvertent capital R sent his tiny and dysfunctional brain into a spin, and he insisted that I meant "the book of Revelations". No amount of denial by myself can change that ridiculous opinion in him, and he has spread this lie far and wide, ever since.You are just one more person he has no respect for and clearly wants to delude you. His second lie is that I am racist. No post by myself (and I mean anywhere) has shown that, but his crazy brain thinks it. There have been times I have been a realist, and I don't pander to political correctness on any issue, so he can form opinions based on my writing style, but I am no racist, and he can't see reality at the best of times. I say a Native American is a redskin, and that is racist to both he and the redskin Silver Eagle, or Squawking Crow, as others call him. I don't care what they think. If a Negro prefers to be called black, and they call us whites (among lots of other names), I see nothing wrong with redskins as a term. It is clear, concise and an accurate identifier. So what are his lies that I don't see? Those things he knows won't show up, and hopes to poison your mind with, in private?

Non-Mormons: Here's logical evidence. Mormon apologetics: Just gotta trust in the prophets.

@brenh2767

8 жыл бұрын

lol

@EarlFaulk

7 жыл бұрын

All religions tell you to trust anonymous accounts that cannot be verified by historical, genetic, or archaeological methods.

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

The one that tells you to be righteous first, then pray about what is true is the one to take notice of. There is only one that does that properly.nIt is up to the people to do their part properly, as well, or they miss out, like you are.

@danalley6376

7 жыл бұрын

How about using critical thinking and a logical thought process instead? What a glorious idea. Joseph Smith was a fraud and a rapist. Check your history.

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

I pride myself on both. When shall we start? What will you begin with? Fraud, or rape? I'm not fussed; we'll canvass both, eventually. Best we check Smith's history, not mine.

How comforting to know that the TRUTH is being broadcast. It is special to be able to share these truths with the mormons, and change lives forever. When someone leaves mormonism, it stops the problems of the religion ( such as the mental strain of believing the impossible) being passed onto the next generation. Just think we are preventing human misery for generations to come long after we are gone.

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

David, what is a mental strain on you is not an impossibility to believe in to others who don't limit their capabilities. Maybe you should change your own life instead of others where you have no right. :>)

@bossendenwoodconvict

4 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 In a free society people can make up their own minds. Mormon missionaries have a right to go door-to-door promoting their beliefs. However, people have a right to question these, especially as the religion takes up so much of a person's time, money and indentity. People need to think before making a commitment. Fortunately, the relevant information is much more to hand now, and it is a real joy to help people and save them from years of misery, deception, financial loss and loss of face.

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

@@bossendenwoodconvict ……. What identity would David like to see Mormons take up.... does he have a better place to be?? Where could a Saint's time and tithing be better spent than promoting their well thought out faithful beliefs?? Your problem is, there are no Latter Day Saints who love and trust their faith finding misery, financial loss or losing face because of it. No deception other than from people like you. "Just think we are preventing human misery for generations to come long after we are gone" That space between your ears is minute compared to what's actually happening David and is the home of the misery you try to project onto others. You are preventing nothing of the sort. I can see how it joys you to try and drag others down to that tiny pit of misery you are trapped in but there is no safety in numbers when you work for Satan. :>)

@bossendenwoodconvict

4 жыл бұрын

@@godsoffspring4195 "....a better place to be." That's very easy. The better place to be than inside the church...is out of it. The reason is that the church is false. There are plenty of better things that tithing money could go on: Starving children in the world, kids needing eye operations, suffering animals. The chapels could be turned into homes, and the car parks could be dug up and used to grow food.

@godsoffspring4195

4 жыл бұрын

@@bossendenwoodconvict …. "The chapels could be turned into homes, and the car parks could be dug up and used to grow food." Interesting. Does that include all real estate and donations used up by religion or just the Mormons?? Where then would the Saints gather, park and fellowship in their beliefs David?? Aren't you a realist?? "The reason is that the church is false" Really..... which church isn't then and can you provide readers the info where that church provides all the things you suggest the Saints don't because of there places of worship??

Can anyone clear my doubts. In Christianity I'm continually wavering between Mormonism and Christian Science. Which is the truer of the two creeds? In Muhammadanism I vacillate between Ahmadiyya and Alevism. I really yearn to be rightly guided. My roots are Roman Catholic, so could you please give your opinion in Latin. Amicus Plato, magis amica veritas.

@giuseppelogiurato5718

4 ай бұрын

M. Aurelii commentationes tibi commendo. Stoicismus rem tuam esse.

I am leaving my Bishop roles in LDS

@abandonbelief

5 жыл бұрын

Its ok gypsy you've been reincarnated b4

@tenasanford8878

4 жыл бұрын

Just read the King James bible. It is God's perfect word. Only independent Baptist's believe that God's word is perfectly preseved as God promised Psalm 12:6&7.

@faasootauloavasai5544

4 жыл бұрын

@@tenasanford8878 Much respect to our Baptist Christian family over the clownish beliefs of the mormons but Baptist honor 9 of 10 commandments. "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy..." God knew the 4th commandment would be forgotten. World history documents who changed the sabbath against God's command. Nowhere from genesis to revelation is the 4th commandment was to be changed except by man's deception.

@daveyjones9930

4 жыл бұрын

Stake Elder. Why?

@jacobsmith568

4 жыл бұрын

@@tenasanford8878 a 17th century Anglican translation is the preserved word? Not the thousands of manuscripts that have been preserved from the 2nd century onward in the original language? (Let alone all of the translations and their manuscripts?) Why not any other English translation if there can only be one? I like the Geneva (1560) personally if were to read early modern English translations.

Joseph Smith...the L. Ron Hubbard of his day.

@richardholmes7199

8 жыл бұрын

+mr.modern44 Then where are all the anti-Church of Scientology books, media shows, and videos then?

@mr.modern4419

8 жыл бұрын

There was a 60 minute special on CBS last Friday on the problems cruelty with Scientology. Plus ever hear of the film "The Master"? a debunking film based on Scientology. "King of Quens" Actress Leah Remini just wrote a book on leaving Scientlogy. Need more?

@johnlee1352

8 жыл бұрын

+mr.modern44 Be sure and compare numbers... not a couple of books that may fit the bill...be honest!

@mr.modern4419

8 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? Can you ever make a cogent statement? I don't ever get what you are driving at.

@johnlee1352

8 жыл бұрын

+mr.modern44 I'll help you with your reading problem if you want. Literacy is a wonderful thing...you need to get started ASAP!

I am a fortunate person that knows an ex mormon who became a real Christian. What a transformation. She no longer smokes she goes to a good solid Christian church and I am blessed to have helped her deside to follow the real Jesus. Mormons need to keep asking questions about their so called faith and don't base your foundation on the book of mormon (bom)....because it might blow up.....haha

@stevenpictures1

5 жыл бұрын

Did this friend of yours smoke when she was a mormon?

@TheWormsEquals

4 жыл бұрын

Too bad she couldn't just give up the God delusion completely. Going from one cult to another isn't making progress.

Southpark gives a good lesson on this

@toddadams8420

4 жыл бұрын

@Sam Bacon so 190 years from now there will be a video like this about scientology

@Soy_Preinaugural

3 жыл бұрын

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50:02 another point: Joseph Smith had convinced his "plural wives" to grant him "conjugal rights", but they had NO legal claim on him whatsoever. They did not bear his name, have any claim of support, or any other rights that a legal wife would have. Brigham Young proved this when one of his so-called "wives" wanted a divorce. The judge would not admit the case in court because she was not legally married to Brigham, though they had cohabited as husband and wife.

@Annie261.

5 жыл бұрын

deskjockie49 All the perks and none of the responsibilities of a husband. Of course guys would go for this.

I just recently resigned. My mind travels over everything I have learned all the time. This information has helped soothed my mind. Thank you so much. This information is very helpful.

@djadams7795

3 ай бұрын

LOSER TROLL HELL IS WAITING

@djadams7795

3 ай бұрын

Click bait scumbag

@tthx165

3 ай бұрын

@@djadams7795 Real big talker until someone challenges you to a recorded meeting and then you cower out. Talk about scumbags. "LOSER TROLL HELL IS WAITING" HHAHAHAHAHAHA You don't even know what commas do! What an imbecile you are seriously, "Loser troll hell" is "waiting" for what exactly? Learn English sometime, troll boi.

@djadams7795

3 ай бұрын

Both your mom's are LOSER TROLLS wearing combat boots.

@djadams7795

3 ай бұрын

Hell awaits you both.

Nice voice change when reading the quotes.

I´m member of the church of Jesus Christ Of latter day Saints.I believe in Jesus Christ in our heavenly father and our living prophet Russel M Nelson in spite of i´m inactive of the church since 2002.I believe in the church and its christian teaching i like so much its teaching.I feel inside my heart that is the true teaching and true church.Iam from Southamerica,Venezuela.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Avenged- Sevenfold Dope - you can't see a fact if it hit you in the face.

@2326038

4 жыл бұрын

@@gunnerlawts Proverbs 28:26 King James Version (KJV) 26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. Jeremiah 17:9 (KJV) 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

@2326038

4 жыл бұрын

Snowy Brewer Do you trust the words found in the Holy Bible? Jeremiah 17:9 (KJV) 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam Silly, lying wigs, I only need facts if I make claims, and I am not claiming the church is true, though I fully know it. What I know is of no use to another, and every individual has to learn the truth God's way, not mine. I am happy to point out your stupidity and lies, and leave it at that. If anyone is interested in religious truth, I suggest they investigate the LDS church, and any other they care to look into.

"Soon after I came to the realization that the Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be, I became deeply upset. I had firmly believed that it was true. I had not been looking for evidence to prove it wrong. I had been looking for research that could be viewed as supportive. It was a shock to have my belief shattered so quickly… [ex-LDS Bishop and senior micro geneticist Dr. Simon Southerton] David J. Johnson, BYU professor--- “No one has found any inscriptural evidence for, or material remains that can be tied directly to any persons, places or things, mentioned in the book (of Mormon).” BH. Roberts, LDS Historian once wrote. "“In light of this evidence, there can be no doubt as to the possession of a vividly strong, creative imagination by Joseph Smith, the Prophet, an imagination, it could with reason be urged, which, given the suggestions that are found in the ‘common knowledge’ of accepted American antiquities of the times, supplemented by such a work as Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews [published in Palmyra in 1825], it would make it possible for him to create a book such as the Book of Mormon is.”

@bartonbagnes4605

Жыл бұрын

Except Ezra Smith's book wasn't written in ancient Hebraic writing styles, like The Book Of Mormon is, some not even identified until long after Joseph Smith's death. It's Impossible to copy something that hasn't been discovered yet. Also Nahom was discovered to be a real place by the Red Sea, but not until long after Joseph Smith was dead. It was right where it was described in The Book Of Mormon, and has been used to identify another place that perfectly matches the description in The Book Of Mormon, neither of which were known until quite recently. Also found recently was the City Of Lehi named in the Bible, where the local Bedouins tell the legend of a prophet who prophesied of the destruction of Jerusalem around 600 BCE. And disappeared with his family before Jerusalem was destroyed. The name of the prophet in the legend is not known, to them at least. But I suppose Joseph could just be a God level guesser with an active imagination, as many imply.

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

​@@bartonbagnes4605 What is your response to the reality of Paul Gregersen debunking the arrogant Egyptologists? Paul proved Smith right, the Egyptologists wrong. What is your response?

@bartonbagnes4605

Жыл бұрын

@@richardholmes5676 Remarkable, since only 5% of Egyptian documents have even been translated. Who knows what else will be discovered in the rest?

Mormons are taught not to be curious or question their religion because it's a sin and they have to pray for forgiveness. They need to ask questions and stop being scared!

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

Christians need to stop being stupid.

@2326038

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam Sometimes he does and other times he doesn't. Poor fellow is confused.

Great post I am in love with the way Mormons love lying! It is so entertaining! I wish I could have thought up the lie of Mormonism but it takes the help of Satan himself I am not going there!

What is the name Barah Kale?

SO he is dead?Wondering if he is in heaven sitting next to god or Hell being tortured by demons for eternity.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we will mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, than we will no longer recognize the truth at all, when the truth offends, we lie and we lie until we can no longer remember it is even there. But it is still there. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth and sooner or later, that debt is paid.” -Chernobyl. I feel it accurately describes the LDS church. And it will also end in disaster.

@richardholmes7199

4 жыл бұрын

It doesn't either describe the LDS church.

@gowdsake7103

4 жыл бұрын

Thus we have religions !

"The first vision was not taught in LDS church until 22 years after it happened" So what year did it allegedly happen? And what year was it allegedly being taught? What are the sources of those multiple versions of the first vision? Where can we read how he gave the first vision differently at different times? What were the locations, times, and sources for those different accounts? Please someone respond

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

I see Silly Lying wigs has jumped in with his viewpoint, so here's mine. When Smith was first instructed by heavenly beings, he was told of the opposition that would follow, so he was careful not to incite it. The vision was shared orally to trusted people for 10 years, which by then Smith had of necessity distanced himself from opponents, an it was safe to write it. This is one of only two that were penned by him. Two more were ratified by him, because they were recorded as minutes of his speaking in meetings. The rest are know forgeries and/or anti's claiming someone heard him talk, and there are 9 of those (13 in total). The version in our canon (PoGP) is his second written one, and was a reply to a newspaper request, hence a thorough cover, which brings up my point - I toured Europe 5 years ago and I have not told the same story, yet have never lied once. I just understand my audience. While my story differs, there are no contradictions. The 4 good versions are different, but don't contradict, while the forgeries and "my grandpa's cousin heard" accounts have all the contradictions. Anti's know all this, but they sell the lie in the hope the gullible will think Smith was a liar.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam SLW, poor Mark has to weigh up Joseph taking 10 years to write about a vision, and God taking thousands of years to tell us about the creation. Check the time lapse between Adam and Moses? So, did God have some sort of crisis he had to deal with to get Moses to write? Was Moses around in Adam's day? At least Smith was involved. This is why Jesus spoke out against hypocrisy - he knew Christians would be the biggest hypocrites of them all. I have no argument to lose; I just have points of observation based on intelligent logic. Mark does not have to pick a winner out of us; he has to learn to think properly.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam SLW, those who are nor for Christ are against him - you are definitely not Christian.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam Can't really separate them. One certainly can't serve Jesus and reject his church.

@gunnerlawts

4 жыл бұрын

@Ralph Wiggam SLW, I am not told, but we'll all find out before the second coming, I am sure. I have a suspicion it will be seriously needed. Nice to know it's there.

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