I’m with Jaime…I played Kanban EV for the first time a couple of weeks ago and proceeded to play 3 times in three days and it gets better everytime!

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

It is so so good. I do not disagree

A quick top 6 for me.... 1. Paths of Glory 3.85 2. Mage Knight the board game 4.36 3. Through the Ages 4.44 4, Origins: How we became human. 3.80 5. The Isofarian Guard. 3.11 6, Shipyard 3.50

My top 10 Heavies: 1 - Voidfall 2 - Perseverance 3 - On Mars 4 - Spirit Island 5 - Tekhenu 6 - Kanban EV 7 - Nucleum 8 - Tawantinsuyu 9 - Underwater Cities (maybe stretching calling this Heavy, but wanted to include it) 10 - Trickerion

Spirit Island is my favorite game, but it takes so long to teach and get through a game with new players (especially since I think the game plays best at 2 and i usually end up teaching 3 at once). Too many bones is another of my favorite heavy games for all the reasons you both said, it feels SO GOOD to finally pull off a win in that game. Wish I had more friends into heavier games so I could invest in more of them without feeling like they'll sit on the shelf forever.

@SanderPastoor

14 сағат бұрын

I know solo isn't for everyone, but both Spirit Island and TMB play excellently solo. I have played both on my own many times. If you're looking to engage with them more often, perhaps in a slightly different way, solo is definitely a great option for both.

Some of my favorite heavy games in no particular order. There’s a section of Lacerda games that I’ve played more than once that I enjoyed. Even looked up their complexity ratings. Voidfall 4.61 Food Chain Magnate 4.2 Kanban EV 4.31 The Gallerist 4.25 On Mars 4.67 Lisboa 4.58 Inventions: Evolution of Ideas 4.67 Mr. President 4.27

@FostertheMeeple

2 сағат бұрын

Lots on here I very much want to play

Rebellion was FFG's attempt to make War of the Ring as a Star Wars game. And they did a pretty good job.

Rulebook complexity definitely plays into BGG weight. So does the number of options available for a turn. Great list and discussion.

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

Makes total sense!

You all should try trickerion. Heavy but similar to Kanban it thematically makes sense so that it flows really well. It is a little less restrictive than Kanban once you get going as far as the order you do things. The theme is very unique as well

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

Trickerion is on my list to try for sure. I’ve heard amazing things

War of the Ring is also my #1 game, and my Wife's, I mostly only play FP cause my wife just loves Shadow. And guess what my arm is also full of LOTR art haha, also it is the Middle Earth map with different props on it. I got a massive palymat for it, 3D sculpted the mountains and painted every mini =b. It is sooo good!. Just found this channel and Insta SUBBED, good content. A person of culture indeed!

lol On Mars was my first Lacerda I ever played and own. I did just get Inventors in and we’ve learned the rules just need to get a full play in. Own Hegemony and did most of the learn just need to figure out how to control the complex bots for when we don’t have a full count. I know you mentioned Scholars of the South Tigris, and we absolutely love this one! And if you like it, I’d also highly recommend Encyclopedia, it’s probably in our top 10 overall. Complex learn but once you get it, similar to Scholars everything makes sense. Brass of course is on our list as well, even blinged out my copy with all the fun bits!

Great lists :) By the way, Hegemony is 4,19 , not 4,91. Here is my top 10 heavy games: 1) Kanban EV (4,32) 2) On Mars (4,67) 3) Spirit Island (4,06) 4) Gaia Project (4,39) 5) Brass Birmingham (3,88) 6) Ark Nova (3,76) 7) Root (3,80) 8) Lisboa (4,58) 9) Eclipse : Second Dawn for the Galaxy (3,66) 10) Robinson Crusoe: Adventures on the Cursed Island (3,82) Honorable mentions: CO2 : Second Chance (4,09) Pax Pamir Second Édition (3,85) Vinhos (4,01) Gloomhaven : Jaws of the Lion (3,64) The Gallerist (4,25) Fields of Arle (3,85)

A lot of games on your list that I haven’t tried (yet). My top 5 heavy board games: 1: Darwins Journey (3,77) 2: Coffee Traders (4,24) 3: On Mars (4,67) 4: Weather Machine (4,58) 5: Teotihuacan (3,78) Also backed The Sixth Realm recently with a weight of 3,88.

@TotallyBoard

15 күн бұрын

Cool to see Darwin's Journey get a lot of love in the community. I have it but haven't played it. Excited to get it to the table

Well done, that was an excellent summary IMHO. Thumbs up from me.

1) Pax Ren 2nd edition 2) Rolling Stock Stars 3) High Frontier 4) Food Chain Magnate 5) Pax Porfiriana 6) 1889: Shikoku 7) Stationfall 8) John Company 9) Kanban EV 10) Barrage

@FostertheMeeple

16 сағат бұрын

I very much want to try stationfall!

@th3cha1rmak3r

16 сағат бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple the ultimate party game for gamers. It's like Among Us on steroids.

Spirit Island

Give On Mars a shot. Just like any heavy game it might take a couple of plays to start getting how to make decent points, but it's not that crazy if you've played Lacerda level of games and figuring out how to take advantage of the interlocking mechanisms is a big part of the fun.

@FostertheMeeple

16 күн бұрын

Good to know!! We’ve heard it’s really tough to get through. This gives me hope!

@TotallyBoard

15 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple The first game is pretty daunting. But after that, it really clicks.

Great list, thank you! Mine is Brass, Anachrony, and Arborea....although I'm leaning Voidfall this weekend and that will surely make the list. Feudum should be on my list as well, it's great.

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

I saw people playing Feudum and I just don’t know if I’d ever do it.

To make it even more interesting (/confusing/annoying), the word hegemony is pronounced with a hard 'g' in international English (UK, Aus, etc).

This video made me look up my collection’s weights and I was surprised by quite a few. Turns out, I don’t have a ton of weight-y games. I love the heaviest games I have the most, but doubt I’d get much tougher to the table. I learned that Distilled isn’t that heavy, and I feel like Jeff is sick of hearing this from me, but it still does for me what Kanban does for y’all and I want you to try it so bad!

I've been calling it "He-John-Mulaney", which is maybe why no one will play it with me.

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

This is the only way moving forward

1) Through the ages 2) Dwellings of Eldervale 3) Riaing sun

Great lists guys. My top 5 would be: Pax Pamir second edition Brass Birmingham Kanban EV Anachrony Trickerion

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Pax Pamir almost made my list!! So good

Great list from both of you! You should check out Pax Renaissance 2nd edition. Just got added to BGA and has a tutorial for it. Once the game clicks, it is the chef's kiss.

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

Nice!! Hoping to play it eventually

@FragRevel

16 күн бұрын

Pax Ren is the true G.O.A.T.

Great list idea and, although brief, good discussion topic on what factors into weight. I LOVE heavy euros. Those are most of my favourite games. Especially as a primarily solo player. Here's my top ten heavy games: 10. Scholars of the South Tigris (4.02) 9. Sankore: The Pride of Mansa Musa (4.12) 8. Ark Nova (3.76) 7. The Great Wall (3.89) 6. Nucleum (4.10) 5. Weather Machine (4.58) 4. Eclipse: New Dawn for the Galaxy (3.70) 3. Sabika (3.85) 2. Voidfall (4.61) 1. Wayfarers of the South Tigris (3.83) Average weight: 4.04 All of these games are in my top 25 all-time, with Scholars at 23 and Wayfarers at 2. My honourable mention would be Anachrony, which is 27 all-time for me.

This whole time I thought it was One-Eyed Willy's map from _The Goonies._

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Amazing reference

My top 3 of all times are 1. Age of Steam, 2. Arkwright and 3. Dominant Species… no change in that order for years…

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

Haven’t heard of Arkwright! Going to look that up. Thanks for sharing!

Great list! Nothing like an good zesty themed top 10 🥳 How about Feudum, ever tried it? I've hesitated for years, but a new crowdfunding is coming out on Gamefound, so I decided to take the plunge. I find Brass too boring, might be more fun if it had zombies riding the train tracks with the crates of beer 😁 My heaviest beloved game is Oath, I love it for the social experience (as opposed to pure strategic skills of Root), definitely my top 5. Thanks for sharing your great vibes! 👍

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Haven’t played Feudum!! Looks crazy though

Dominant species has the best rule book ever. 6 players is chaotic in a great way… but it is looong…but as you know you are always invested even when not your turn.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

It really does. It’s incredible

Great video, like your channel ! I never played this game, new deluxe reprint on crownfounding and I was thinking maybe buy it. But I don't see any mention in the posted comments so not sure what to think about it, did you ever try Food Chain Magnate someone?

@FostertheMeeple

9 күн бұрын

Haven’t played it yet. I’ve heard it can be quite punishing though, and requires repeat plays

In no particular order my 10 would be... Scholars of the South Tigris Inventions: Evolution of Ideas Underwater Cities Too Many Bones Paladins of the West Kingdom Spirit Island Shogun no Katana Ark Nova Le Havre Teotihuacan: City of Gods

Im new to this hobby but I found tmb to be one of the easiest games to learn tbh. Great list

Kanban EV is one of my favorite games now, along with Root and Brass. If you like Kanban I highly recommend playing the other Lacerdas you mentioned. They're all so good (and Heavy ha)

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

We definitely plan on it!

Love so many of these picks! Vast, Brass, and Root are terrific! And we thought Kanban EV would dominate the top of our heavy game list -- until we put our big-boy spacesuits on and played On Mars. Holy mostaccioli! What a wonderful game! (Try it. Go on. Learn it. Play it. Love it!)

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

I predict it will get played in 2028

@michaeldarling7169

18 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple That will be a fantastic year for gaming then! Now how 'bout The Great Wall? Forgot to mention that heavy beauty!

Great list! Makes me regret passing on galactic cruise haha. And TMB requires SO much time in the rulebook. I love the game, but looking up nuances or abilities takes away from it. It’s a catch 22, I’d learn it if I played more but the rules prevent me from playing more. Usually worth the time though. War of the Ring is on my SoS, but really itching to learn it.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Agreed on TMB. Really good point

The through the ages app is amazing!

Hedgehog Economy coming to Kickstarter this summer!!

The world needs Hedgehog Economy!

Hegemony crickets!

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

This took me a second but I got there haha

Robinson Crusoe, War of the Ring, Ark Nova

Hegemony is 4.19 on BGG, not 4.91

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Ohhh the horror!

Jamie wants to win with higher average rating that in which the rating are not even all accurate😂 great list!

My guess for the next Garphill trilogy is East Empire. Also, they've been following an alphabet pattern, so I'm thinking they'll start low in the alphabet and go hight in the alphabet each time. Shipwrights, Raiders, Explorers. Architects, Paladins, Viscounts. Wayfarers, Scholars, Inventors.

It would be interesting to see you give a weight rating to games in your collection.

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

That would be a LOT of games to rate haha

I am starting to watch this, Lisboa better be here .... ... .. .

@Kojimalosophy

18 күн бұрын

.... 😫... but at least Kanban EV is there so that checks the Lacerda box ✓... awesome video btw ! : )

I NEEEEEED to play Star Wars Rebellion. Great list! :)

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

Yes…yes you do. And then tell me your thoughts!

My top 5 are 1 gloomhaven 2. Ti4 3. A feast for odin 4. Ark nova 5. Lorenzo il magnifico I know Lorenzo isn't above a 3.5, but it should be. If not then its la harve at 5. Looking forward to meeting y'all at bgg spring.

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

See ya there!

Most thematic moments ever, WOTR!!!!!

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

Agreed

TMB is definitely a great game, CTG makes several heavy games in both senses of the word. If you like WoTR, you’ll probably like Battle of Five Armies.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Yea my buddy has that one!

Kanban EV for the win!!!

Let's goooo. Love to see War of the Ring so high. Are you hype about the new LOTR movie that got announced?

@FostertheMeeple

15 күн бұрын

I’m cautiously optimistic

regarding Rebellion, did you get the expansion i told you you to snatch waaay back to enhance the game , especially combat from good to awesome ! ?

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

We sure did! Haven’t tried it out yet though

@Scooterspade

18 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple it might affect the game in your top 100 ;)

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

@@Scooterspade it’s already in my top 10!

@Scooterspade

18 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeplewhat if it hits top 5 😆

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

@@Scooterspade I think it was!

Jeeezzzz..... I have NOT!! played enough of these. I checked the collection, and I only have 2 games over 3.5 They happen to be 2 of my favorites 1. Root 2. Gaia Project

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Both are great!

@cruel_knight3478

17 күн бұрын

​@@FostertheMeeple Remembered the 3rd over 3.5 3. Underwater Cities = 3.59

Sadly, I have never played any of these games - I am very intrigued by War of the Ring and Star Wars Rebellion.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Recommend!

Too many bones is not a boss battler. You pick a tyrant (final boss) and you have x amount of days and x amount of progress points in order to fight it. Every day you will encounter a lot of baddies.

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

We've played it many many many times, we just describe it differently and that's okay!

YEAH AND IM GONNA LEAVE THE CHAT AGIN JEFF IF YOU DONT MAKE YOUR DAMN TURN BROTHA

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

ITS NOT MY TURN IN ANYTHING YA JAMOKE

"Who cares" is the proper response to the bgg weight rating.

@FostertheMeeple

16 күн бұрын

Meh, I mean. If people like to use it, why not. Most things in this hobby are subjective. It’s not a huge deal.

Have you played Inventions: Evolution of Ideas?

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

Not yet!!

Is the 1st ed. of War of the Ring by Fantasy Flight? I guess 2nd ed. is Ares.

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

That is correct!

top list heavy games. Twilight Imperium 4 Root War of the Ring Eclipse Nemesis Ark Nova Cthulhu wars? is heavy enough?

@FostertheMeeple

16 күн бұрын

I want to try Cthulhu wars!

I’m kind of curious how you could have a bad game of brass, could you be more specific about what wasn’t good?

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

I don’t think there was anything specific. We just didn’t have a good time with it. Felt like a slog. Games have many internal and external variables that impact a gameplay. We both coulda just been having a bad day haha

Have you guys played eclipse: second dawn?

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

We haven’t but it’s been recommended to me a lot!

After playing the 3 South Tigris games I'd say Scholars is as good as Wayfarers, but Inventors is not. The best games not on your list are Barrage and Woodcraft. Both are "Kanban-y", Barrage is also cut-throat.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

I’ve played Barrage!! Can’t say it was a love for me. Woodcraft we haven’t tried yet

In terms of Rebellion and War of the Ring- have you read Dune (just the first book) and then played Dune? The Game tells the story better than the David Lynch movie adaptation. I'm not sold on the third expansion though...

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

I’ve read the book yes! Many many years ago. I’ve played many games of Dune Imperium but not played the OG dune or Dune War for Arrakis yet

@bluedevil3d104

17 күн бұрын

The 2019/OG is the one. I get a sense that War for Arrakis doesn't really match the books very well, especially the Spacing Guild expansion.

FLORIDA!!!

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

STAAAAAWWWWPPP

I think the difficulty of board games should revolve around how many rules there are. For instance, Spirit island is a very hard game to master but easy to play in general so I think it is for everyone. Everyone can learn how to play this game within 30 min easily, not saying they will win but they can definitely play. And as you play you’ll get better and enjoy it more On the other hand you have games like Gloomhaven which have soooooo many rules that not everyone will be able to enjoy or even play the game. You are constantly looking through the rulebook which makes a game very hard to enjoy especially if someone is a casual player. I myself will probably never play gloomhaven even tho i like dungeon crawlers a lot. Its just too much stuff to keep track of 🤷🏽‍♂️ Same with root, it doesn’t take very long to learn the rules and play the game, just like chess everyone can play chess How good you are in such games is a different story but you can play it that is most important for me i think!

@FostertheMeeple

2 күн бұрын

Such a valid point! Rules really are the biggest barrier! That’s why we love games that are easy to learn and hard to master!

O will play hedgehog economy. Bring it!

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Sonic themed

I got to number 8 before I realized it was weight in just overall, not actual weight 😂

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

To be fair we would do something like that haha. So I get the confusion

@austinbrake6718

18 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple thanks for the content!

Brass at PAX.

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

If you even show up.

Hegemony is a hard G.

@FostertheMeeple

19 күн бұрын

I don’t think it is actually!

👋

Helga Moby

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Haj emotionally

Awww…No Mr President? 😊

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Haven’t played it yet!

Nice list.. heavy games are my jam

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

They’re good!

i like Lisboa better than Kanban ev

Ark Nova?

@FostertheMeeple

16 күн бұрын

It’s a game!

@zungagames

16 күн бұрын

@FostertheMeeple hah! Burn 🔥. Have you tried it? I've only tried 2 heavy games but tend to avoid them unless playing turn based on BGA. My AP makes it painful for others at the table (or at least it feels that way)

@FostertheMeeple

16 күн бұрын

@@zungagames yep! Have played it about 8 - 10 times now. It’s alright but I just don’t love it a ton.

Hegemony is 4.19, not 4.91 on bgg

@FostertheMeeple

17 күн бұрын

Yep

How is root a heavy game?

@FostertheMeeple

15 күн бұрын

Take it up with BGG.

@OrdemDoGraveto

15 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple It's a really simple game. Even considering learning the factions.

@FostertheMeeple

15 күн бұрын

@@OrdemDoGraveto I mean. That’s your opinion. BGG has it at 3.81. I’ve played over 200 games of it. Calling it simple is a stretch. Learning all the factions, how they interweave for strategy, winning conditions, card play is far from simple.

The Gallerist is wonderful and really not that difficult either. Highly recommend!

@FostertheMeeple

13 күн бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

Watching this one just for fun. My game group doesnt play anything above 3.2 because our game nights usually involve copious amounts of alcohol (and sometimes, maybe, other substances 🫢).

@PablowingUrMind

18 күн бұрын

But I might force everybody to play Hegemony when we head out to a cabin and there is no escape.

Does munchkin qualify as a heavy game? With all the expansions it weighs quite a bit to take to board game nights.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

Totally!!

@ryanlohman4922

18 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple for real though, my favorite heavy game is terraforming mars. It’s my max brain power

That’s not how to enunciate “reposte”. Maybe in America but it’s not an American word.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

You’ll be ok

@nobuthatsme9201

18 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple oh I’m fine. In fencing ee simply use the correct form of the word I guess. Reggie is on to something here.

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

@@nobuthatsme9201 I don’t think it matters really. Tomato tomato ya know?

@nobuthatsme9201

18 күн бұрын

@@FostertheMeeple it matters to Inigo Montoya

@FostertheMeeple

18 күн бұрын

@@nobuthatsme9201 he’s too busy avenging his father to care.