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@yootoobnz8109

4 ай бұрын

For goodness sake, change your clickbait thumbnail and title! You ruined a perfectly good ammo test video, by titling it with some BS about some dangerous ammo we should be warned about, which is obviously far from reality. You are doing Winchester a disservice, tbh, with that title. Remove the words "Too dangerous", you knew that was false, and knowingly placed it there as clickbait. The thing is, it was a really good video, but the content did not match the title. Deception, to gain views from people who expected something else - that does not build trust. Edit: And I just had a quick scan through your other video thumbnails and titles - for most of them you've done the exact same clickbaity thumbnails and titles. Do I feel like watching any of them now? No, because I know the title and thumbnail probably has nothing to do with the content. Trust is gone. Something to think about. To end this is on a good note, I repeat: the actual video and ammo test was really good. And that leather stock ammo holder is absolutely beautiful!

I have used the same Winchester 300 grain load for years. Same bullet expansion from a Marlin 1895 with a 22" barrel. They even expand well past 100 yards on deer. None of the bullets ever exited a deer so they dumped all their energy on target. It's the best deer stopper I have ever used. Thanks for another great video.

.45-70 is darn near magic in how it works. If you handloaded 300s in that Marlin you would easily get that lost speed back

Awesome ! They performed pretty well. This is one of the loads I intend on hunting with.

First off that's some impressive shooting Mason hitting all three into that block at 100 yards! Great review and this ammo performed brilliantly. Thanks for sharing!

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Haha thanks! It was really hard with this particular ammo, I wish it shot better out of my rifle.

Used these for several seasons on deer and they never really wowed me. I never lost a deer but I never put them down as quickly as one would think. All my deer were shot at very close ranges too. 60 yards might have been the longest shot. Maybe as distance increases performance may too. Not sure. I switched to 405 grain flat nose running at 1550 fps and they are very much a better close range deer stopper for me. I do think Winchester is still producing some great ammo though. Thanks for sharing.

People don’t realize that the 45-70 was a Rolling Block design but the had the Colt SAA with the 7 1/2 inch barrel. Though Custer had the Colt SAA he decided to leave the two Gatling guns behind, they shot the 45-70 and it could have changed what happened at the Little Bighorn battle. When the Rhodesia war broke out the AR could shoot the 450 Bushmaster. I was able to pick one of these up.

Really nice show, I use the same ammo as you but in a Pedersoli Sharps 34" bbl , I love the performance of this load and I get awesome accuracy as well

Great vid! I handload the Hornady 300gr JHP with H4198. The Guide Gun (2001) is a blast. What this load will do in dropping bucks at 22yds is astounding.

I love mine .... old Marlin 1885 SS (from the 80s)

The various 300 grain hollow point . 45-70 bullets do offer a lot of expansion potential, but I do wonder if a flat nose soft point might give better penetration on hogs and bear while still working just fine on deer.

@robertsansone1680

5 ай бұрын

I used 350gr Hornady bullets loaded to near maximum for lever action rifles. Most factory loads are "watered down" because of all the old Trapdoor rifles that are still around. To get the most energy, it's best to handload. Also, the 300gr hollow points have about a .010" jacket thickness at the nose. The Hornady 350gr soft points are .020" thick at the nose. They are designed for deep penetration in large game. If you really want to get serious, use the 400gr Barnes bullets. They are .030" thick. They are also twice the price of the Hornadys.

Love the 45/70 and love that marlin you have.

Pretty standard for factory ammo to not achieve advertised velocity. Many years ago the difference was actually much greater than it is today though. My uncle went to the 45-70 for eastern woods deer/bear and never looked back. Part of that was the Marlin itself, simply an easy rifle to get along with.

If I were huting in a Strait wall only state or you hunt shorter ranges the 45-70 might be a good choice. For open rifle states it's just not a flat shooting cartridge. Even going old school the 30 06 will stomp the guts out of anything in the US with a lot flatter trajectory

Being owner of a 16-inch trapper, really appreciate this info. Good video! keep it up.

@masonleather

2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Nice test. Great info! Michael Herrell

Nice 45/70 round

Thanks for posting and sharing.

@masonleather

2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Great post very informative. Now I don't feel so bad for buy all those winchester 300 grain jacketed hollow point 45-70 rounds.

My Marlin absolutely loves this ammo

It has been a very nice load... I have 2 boxes of that Winchester ammo my have to give it a try lol

What did you mean? Too dangerous. The dangerous part is emotional pain of not having a 45-70 in your life.

@thetochq11B

2 ай бұрын

Haha!

I enjoy your videos. Thanks for all your hard work in testing.

Love that 45/70

I use the Federal 450 Bushmaster 300 gr and have heard the results are similar. Does a great job on deer.

I’m using the Hornady 4500 300gr JHP over IMR4198. Very similar results and whitetails only go 3ft. Straight down. DRT. These rounds shooting from my 2001 Marlin Guide Gun 1895g.

@brannonmeador1792

6 ай бұрын

How does the 4570 do to white tails? See a lot of mixed reviews of it being just fine or too much damage to the meat

@firebrand07

6 ай бұрын

@@brannonmeador1792 fantastic. I don’t eat the ribs so I double lung. You also have the power to hit frontal dead center with no worries if using the 300gr hollowpoint.

Thanks - useful information and a great demo.

Great information thank 👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌

@masonleather

2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Great video thank you.

@masonleather

2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service!

If you will place a 3 or 4 inch foam pad under the ballistic blocks, you won't need to strap them down to the table.

Awesome information Brother 👍 God Bless 🙏🇺🇸🗽

@masonleather

2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service!

So I've been reviewing and handful of your past videos. And a thought came to me. How much would you charge for a butt stock shell holder,and a cobra style sling. The cartridge is 72-150 Mukwa express( using 12 gauge brass cases. Graffics Grizzly bear. I will follow up a couple of links of my very small channel for you to review. If they go through. Mountain man

Wow...I don't think this has ever been done on KZread before.

I love my cuff, got the bear on mine. looks great on my Trapper. Think I've gotten 4-5 cuffs from you so far. Thanks!

@masonleather

5 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service!

🤔 I still have some older Barnes 300gr X bullets that are nearly mythical in how much destruction and speed they get from hand loads..

Factory 45-70 is loaded to be safe in old, not very strong, arms. In a stronger modern arm, it can be loaded to astonishing power.... it's a bear, even in 'standard' loads..... Nice to see the old calibres still being popular. That Winchester is obviously good fodder, bullet design perfect for the ballistics.

What color is the ammo cuff on your rifle that is in this video? (Is that the coal color?)

I hand load a 300 gr hp but in Hornady.. not to sure on FPS but the 4 deer I shot last year all dropped in their tracks... 10 yards to 105 yards.. using the shorter Hornady (LEVER-evolution) case and IMR 4198..

@keithreese9636

8 ай бұрын

I've also handloaded 300gr Hornady hollow point @ 2000 fps. Haven't taken any game yet, curious did you get an exit on the 4 deer? Thanks

@awbernardy

8 ай бұрын

@@keithreese9636 yes pass thru on all deer... the one I hit in the sholder was a bit destroyed on both sides so dont recomend that lol but hart lung shots still dropped them

@keithreese9636

8 ай бұрын

@@awbernardy Great, thanks for the reply & good hunting to you this season

You should Do an underwood ammo test! I am curios how they would perform in my marlin guide gun 18.5 inch gun

I've read that numerous Alaskan guides carry 45-70 as their protection gun, even for grizzlies. What off shelf loads would you consider for the big boys?

I love the 45-70 but I'm stuck on my 444 Marlin.

@johnkoenig496

Ай бұрын

NO COMPARISON !!

Great video and to the point not a jibber jabber video or someone who likes to hear themselves talk

Can these be shot in a trap door 45 70?

This is my camping firearm. Just in case i run into a bear. Or two-legged bear.😂

@Dominick360

7 ай бұрын

you should be on the FBI watchlist

I load the 300gr hornady hp in my 450 marlin guide gun, at 2600 fps over the chronograph and I can tell you that deer don't like it one bit--

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Hot damn! That’s next level. I’ve got some of those, I’ll have to load them up hot and see what they do.

@keithbelz2952

8 ай бұрын

I push 350 round nose at over 2800 fps in my custom Ruger #3, it is a very capable cartridge of you get away from factory ammo that is built to the lowest pressure so as to not blow up all the weak old rifles or shatter a lever guns action

@janholmgren3051

8 ай бұрын

the 450 marlin case is a much heavier built magnum style with a belt and will take higher pressures than the 45/70 work up loads slowly and use a heavy crimp and be sure to have a good recoil pad! @@masonleather

Good for grizzly defense?

Do you send leather products to Canada?

16 inch barrel not a good choice

These don’t have the oomph or construction when hitting thick bone of our sambar deer. I push bonded 405gn woodleighs at just above 1900 fps on sambar to get great penetration and exits. Thanks for your great videos!

@tylermallory2504

6 ай бұрын

there is a half dozen elk mounted on my wall that would argue against your statement

@stevemavroudis

6 ай бұрын

No doubt but I prefer a bonded bullet to guarantee expansion at hand loaded speeds which are much hotter and will exit for easier blood trails. I respect whatever works for you.

@williamsmith3960

6 ай бұрын

@@tylermallory2504your right I was thinking the same thing

300 grain Hornady JHP over 53.7 grains of IMR 4198. 2300 MV and 3500+ ME. Starting load from Hodgdon reloading data. I am very impressed with the Winchester load.

@chipsterb4946

6 ай бұрын

Go back and check your load data. Hodgdon does not list data for IMR 4198 and that Hornady bullet. They only show AA-2015 powder with that bullet and the maximum load for a Marlin rifle is only going 2,069 fps. Hornady does show a max load of 48.7 grains of IMR-4198 moving 2,100 fps out of a 22” barrel. Citing bogus load data is stupid. If you actually load what you described it’s also dangerous.

@Mark-uq9km

6 ай бұрын

@chipsterb4946 Don't give me that crap. The load data is listed as stated. Do I think it's too hot of a load? Yes. Do I load it? No. The Hodgdon load data also includes CUP of 33,000. I've been reloading ammo for 50 years, so don't lecture me on something you don't know.

@chipsterb4946

6 ай бұрын

@@Mark-uq9km kind sir - I went to the Hodgdon Reloading Data Center and looked it up. I also looked at current Hornady and Sierra load data because I hand load .45-70 and was surprised by your numbers. Hornady makes the bullet you specified, and I typically use the bullet manufacturer as my primary data source. I don’t care how long you’ve been reloading since you clearly don’t know how to read the published data.

@Mark-uq9km

6 ай бұрын

@chipsterb4946 Okay. I switched from Hornady to Sierra. Tell me the load data is not there. Are you happy now?

@chipsterb4946

6 ай бұрын

@@Mark-uq9km yep. Details matter.

Thanks for a good vid, but what the heck is with the click bait 'too dangerous' BS? That alone kept me from subscribing let alone Patreon.....

@cosmicdonkey919

6 ай бұрын

I mean it’ll kill you… thats pretty dangerous.

@christianthomle4426

6 ай бұрын

What he also means is not only will the bullet kill you because of such a heavy bullet moving at a high velocity. But I think he also means that you cannot use this round in any 1873 trap door actions. This round will blow the gun up in your face and and seriously injure you or kill you. These are loaded way too hot for any trap door action rifle. But they will chamber and fit and fire. But the pressure is too high now. For the later action guns that are chambered in 45 seventy, like the lever actions and 4570 rifles. This ammo would be fine to use. Just not in the trap door Action guns

@SIRJ1895

6 ай бұрын

@@christianthomle4426it seems you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to trapdoor rifle. Please do a little more research.

@tunemaking

6 ай бұрын

I don’t appreciate the clickbait either…that tells me that the channel simply cannot survive on its own merits!

@manster546

6 ай бұрын

OK, but he did not say that. You did, now it sounds legit. But how do I know this guy knows what your talking about.

The reason why shot #3 went farther is because it went down the same damn channel as shot number 2! Seeing is believing!

I've seen this load plow deep and blow Hell out of a deer.

Great data. Would like to see model and retical info on that optic. 🙏🏻

You typically loose about 50 fps per inch so they were spot on ! Great video brother !!

If you are able to do a study on non-leaded 45-70 ammunition, it would be greatly appreciated. My state does not allow hunting with any leaded ammunition. Probably, just select the most common and readily available ammunition manufacturers.

i need a leather butt stock wrap with a T-Rex on it....

could you or one of your followers please explain grain to me/ is it how much powder in shell or the weight of the bullet tip? PLEASE and thank you😁😁

@masonleather

2 ай бұрын

It’s the weight of the bullet

@jbwhittaker4645

2 ай бұрын

thank you for info

Excellent video! Now if I could just find rounds just like that but in .444 Marlin and 265gr weight. Yeah, I know, which hand will fill up first? I guess I'll just have to live with the Hornady JSP stuff I already have since I have reason not to trust their "plastic tip" bullets.

@oldschoolron8602

8 ай бұрын

hornady 265 super performace in 444.

@WayStedYou

8 ай бұрын

Speer 270 grain deep curl hand loads

@furmanmackey5479

8 ай бұрын

@@WayStedYou Thanks for the heads up! I'll have to give them a try!

I reloaded 350 grain flat nose at 1900 fps.

300gr I need 2000fps+ I like my Barnes TSX 300gr handloads at around 2100fps

The perfect BIGFOOT/DOGMAN SEDATIVE!

Why would they not shoot the same as what you had the rifle sighted in for? Fmj verses a hp? Does a hp have a larger spread? Learning here.

Love your gel test.. would absolutely love to see you test some 25-06 ammo if you can

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! I’ll get to 25-06 eventually

@TonyDavidson-uu3yf

7 ай бұрын

I’d like to see 25-06 fusion test

Ive always used Hornady 325 gn leverevolution ....but that was quite impressive....now if I can find it LOL.

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

LeverEvolution is pretty good stuff, I really like the 250gr Monoflex version, the 325 is heavy duty too, killed a big sow with it earlier this year, through both front shoulders and huge blood trail

@yomomma107

8 ай бұрын

I've seen this ammo at Walmart for 50 bucks

hows the felt recoil out of the trapper? I'm curious because I have the 19 inch sbl and It's similar to a shotgun.

@masonleather

5 ай бұрын

It kicks like a mule with hotter loads

Should get the job done within range. Thank you.

I used this ammo on deer and antelope. The bullets just seemed to pencil through leaving what appeared to be a 45 caliber hole in and out.

@johnnorman7708

8 ай бұрын

The beauty of big bore and low velocity is the lack of bloodshot meat around the point of impact. We essentially are operating in magnum handgun territory with a standard .45-70 load. That isn't a bad thing when it comes to excess carcass damage potential. Finger size holes all the way through work on about any size game pretty well.

@fedup3582

8 ай бұрын

@@johnnorman7708 depends on what you want the bullet to accomplish in terminal performance. Yes the Winchester 300 gr hp 45-70 put a thumb sized hole all the way through, and it did kill the game..... eventually, but I prefer to see a more dramatic/quicker, terminal performance.

Big heavy slow moving bullets have been around for a long long time & will be around for a long long time to come.

So why the "Too Dangerous" title? Clickbait tactics maybe?

@masonleather

5 ай бұрын

This is KZread. The game is the game.

Loo-pold.

💪

It appears to me the faster, the project, all the more important, bonded or copper is. Which makes sense.

My 1895CB has a lot more barrel length. The short barrels are handy but you give up a bit of velocity and power.

I would like to see the Berrys plated 350gr at 1750 in the gelatin

What was the distance on the shots? ..25 yards?

@k9six185

8 ай бұрын

I guess I should read the description

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

I also state it in the the video

If you're looking for velocity don't get a 16" barrel, not getting a complete powder burn.

20 inch nicer to shoot and higher speed then 16

Good video,but it’s “ LOO -Pold “ or if you like “ Lou -Pold , not “Leo”

The Winchester load is weak one You can handload 45-70 within a 200 fps of 458 win mag without the recoil expensive ammo

😂❤❤

I know 4590 loads are to fast

Absolutely hate click bait titles, thumbs down

I despise a 300 grain in the 4570 the 4570 with a 405 g r a i m bullet has proven itself since its introduction it's killed more big game and Men whether it's from a s h a r p rifle or a trapdoor or a lever action rifle history is your best t e a c h e r even when my sister made the 1886 in the 4570 with a 500 grain bullet enough said a lot of game and a lot of men were killed past 500 all the way through 1,000 and I believe the sharps rifle tested these bulshit lightweight bullets and said won't work I know what they were doing in the 1800s it seems like every jackass is on a lightweight projectile Kik my 4570 uses a 5:45 g r a i add about 1300 for the second

@legaleagle123

6 ай бұрын

To quote the movie "Blazing Saddles" you are full of frontier jibberish. The 45-70 you describe is using an extended length barrel, using true black powder in the round, and using a mid-hard cast lead bullet with a gas check. The pressure was downloaded, and with many being a falling block action, could withstand the pressure of the time. Unfortunately, 45-70 is not factory loaded to its potential now, because people do stupid and do not understand their firearms, age, or capabilities.

@larrythomas176

6 ай бұрын

For the calvary trapdoor it was a 45 g of 70 g of black powder with a cast bullet 1886 the article that came out by Winchester was that the 1886 rifle was the only rifle that could withstand the strenuous repeated firing of a 500 grain load which was 70 g r a i n black powder when Marlin brought out their lever action the developed a 45 85 g r a i n s with a 405 are 500 I can't remember the 1886 was with a 26-inch the 4570 sharps with a 34 inch barrel the trapdoor was a 22-inch and I believe it came longer I believe most of the 405 grain bullets w e r e Hollow b a s e and I don't believe gas checks were around as your comment of quoting a western character mentioning gibberish I think you're full of condensed horseshit