Tom DeLonge On Angels & Airwaves Album, Box Car Racer & Playing Blink-182 Songs Live | Video Call

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Tom DeLonge spoke to us over Zoom from his California home to chat through his new music with Angels & Airwaves including recent singles 'All That's Left Is Love' and 'Kiss And Tell'. Plus, he tells us why he believes their upcoming new album, due out later in 2020, includes some of the best music he has ever written, from hard punk sounds to soaring synth melodies. Elsewhere, we chat about the possibility of a comeback for his Box Car Racer project with Travis Barker. Finally, he talks returning to the live stage for a huge US tour last year and why he chose to include the Blink-182 classic 'Aliens Exist' in the setlist.
Interviewer: James Wilson-Taylor
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  • @rocksound
    @rocksound4 жыл бұрын

    What's your favourite of the new A&A songs so far?

  • @yorikbernard8054

    @yorikbernard8054

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rebel Girl is amazing :)

  • @anafrancio

    @anafrancio

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kiss and Tell for all the same reasons you stated (: Also because it was nice seeing this new divorced Tom rebirth, it reflects a lot in the song and the music video and looks like he's really vibing and having fun.

  • @sethniebaum7477

    @sethniebaum7477

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rebel Girl

  • @thebeatlesandoasis05

    @thebeatlesandoasis05

    4 жыл бұрын

    All That's Left Is Love. Just a great song and means a lot to me. His lyrics are amazing on this track

  • @adrien3736

    @adrien3736

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rebel girl. I really appreciated that they bring something different.

  • @idk_1234q
    @idk_1234q4 жыл бұрын

    Tom's voice instantly puts me in a good mood - no matter what band he's singing with. I used to think I was a Blink fan -- once I discovered AVA, I realized I'm more of a Tom-fan.

  • @kindkidbk

    @kindkidbk

    4 жыл бұрын

    That’s literally me as well. It’s like no matter what i’m hearing from him, it’s all amazing. From Ava, to Blink, to Boxcar Racer to his solo album, it’s all so amazing.

  • @CaptainAMAZINGGG

    @CaptainAMAZINGGG

    3 жыл бұрын

    SAME. He just has a way of lighting up the world around him. I used to think Mark was so awesome, but after hearing him after he's not really around tom, and is instead around others more... i realized I do love Mark, but, I love Tom's Mark. Tom is just fucking magical. Tom is LIFE.

  • @TheSomberGamer
    @TheSomberGamer4 жыл бұрын

    Angels and Airwaves is criminally underrated

  • @Glosoli4

    @Glosoli4

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep. They are sooooooo good.

  • @blueflash1374

    @blueflash1374

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Somber Gamer as is boxcar racer

  • @zacharyallanstark182

    @zacharyallanstark182

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Somber Gamer isn’t it sort of backhanded to compliment in that way? Rogan put it best that saying someone is underrated is like saying they’re considered good but not good enough but still saying they’re not good in a way. I get what you’re saying and I don’t think you mean it that way but I thought it’d be an interesting thought to share

  • @anthonyalaimo5087

    @anthonyalaimo5087

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maybe bc he left his original family lol but you right underrated for sure

  • @IDiggPattyMayonnaise

    @IDiggPattyMayonnaise

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tom chose to not be a big deal. He didn't want to be played on the radio, no big ads, and no big arena tours. He talks about it openly.

  • @flex_piper
    @flex_piper4 жыл бұрын

    Whatever *Tom Delonge* creates I will always listen to and enjoy 🤘🙏

  • @ryanperez3883

    @ryanperez3883

    4 жыл бұрын

    100% agreed!!!

  • @bored7743
    @bored77434 жыл бұрын

    Everything he did from 97-2003 will forever be legendary. The emotion conveyed in those years will always be unparalleled.

  • @PainfulSin2811170
    @PainfulSin28111704 жыл бұрын

    I love this man so much. He's so wholesome and Angels and Airwaves has single handedly helped me get through some really dark times in my life. To me, Tom Delonge is a gift.

  • @TheAVAMovement
    @TheAVAMovement4 жыл бұрын

    Great interview! Zoom calls with Tom DeLonge are the best Zoom calls.

  • @peter9111

    @peter9111

    4 жыл бұрын

    The AVA Movement Really? Have you done one with him?

  • @gaintrainwompa1133
    @gaintrainwompa11334 жыл бұрын

    14:45 Boxcar Racer talk You’re welcome

  • @rockboy360

    @rockboy360

    4 жыл бұрын

    thnaks dude!

  • @TrueAffection

    @TrueAffection

    4 жыл бұрын

    thank youuu

  • @taylortrevor909

    @taylortrevor909

    4 жыл бұрын

    GainTrainWompa 1 THANK YOU. 🙏🏼

  • @sdrpro9388

    @sdrpro9388

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, dude. Yeah, that's would be great new!

  • @joshuajohnson9383

    @joshuajohnson9383

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @1BlinkwithAngels82
    @1BlinkwithAngels824 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love Kiss and Tell, I don't even know why but its just incredible.

  • @19guitarshredder
    @19guitarshredder4 жыл бұрын

    I saw AVA live in Milwaukee back in December, it was my first time seeing Tom perform live and I've gotta say, you could tell magic was in the air. He sounded great, and finally being able to see the person I've idolized for years perform in their element, let alone 10 feet from the stage was just breathtaking. Definitely one of the best concerts I've been to. They were the midliner so they skipped the acoustic medley which was sort of sad, but seeing the videos is so great honestly.

  • @Billcoll85
    @Billcoll854 жыл бұрын

    I was so bitter about Tom leaving Blink. For years I refused to even listen to Angels and Airwaves songs. I am happy to admit that I was wrong, I love Angels and Airwaves' music.

  • @robertmckinney6284
    @robertmckinney62844 жыл бұрын

    This is the only interview that didnt try to make him look crazy n asked great questions thank u

  • @teamLeon928

    @teamLeon928

    4 жыл бұрын

    It’s a good interview. Also enjoyed his Pursuit of Tone piece for Ernie Ball from a few years ago

  • @sethniebaum7477
    @sethniebaum74774 жыл бұрын

    And Tom is so spot on. Went to the AVA show in OKC in December and it was such an experience.... so much energy.

  • @MoneyMan-xt3pg

    @MoneyMan-xt3pg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I was at that show as well, it was phenomenal

  • @kindkidbk

    @kindkidbk

    4 жыл бұрын

    OMG I WAS AT THE DALLAS SHOW AND THE OKC ONE AND I PROMISE THE OKC ONE JUST HAD A DIFFERENT FEEL!!! such a great night. also in OKC he played wishing well and told more jokes. it was greatness

  • @Stark-Raving
    @Stark-Raving4 жыл бұрын

    Tom really seems like he grew the most out of all of Blink. He seems to have really come into his own since he went off on his own.

  • @templetonbob

    @templetonbob

    4 жыл бұрын

    Let’s be honest though. The aliens found him and did stuff to him, changing him forever.

  • @ashcosmo3854

    @ashcosmo3854

    4 жыл бұрын

    Of course he did, have you heard Mark and Skiba ? Still singing about drinking on the weekend and first loves. New Blink is aimed at fortnite players.

  • @johndeer4936
    @johndeer49364 жыл бұрын

    tom was so sweet in this 😭❤️

  • @upfrown68
    @upfrown684 жыл бұрын

    Awesome interview - CANNOT wait for the new album!!

  • @Sean_Twomey
    @Sean_Twomey4 жыл бұрын

    Such an awesome interview! I love when Tom talks about his music, his creativity and his personal challenges and growth. I also love the positive energy and themes of his Angels And Airwaves music ... Love, Hope, Spirituality, etc. As much as I love Blink, I'm glad Tom moved on and followed his own path to a new and different level of creativity and maturity. I look forward to the new AVA album and as I type this I'm inspired to write and record more of my own music.

  • @dudefood825
    @dudefood8254 жыл бұрын

    Great interview man, this is much needed and appreciated during quarantine.. crossing all body parts for another BCR album!

  • @samMASCOLO
    @samMASCOLO4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for this interview man! Can’t wait for the new album, loved the 3 singles so far. For me, LOVE Part 1&2 is the best album ever made. Peace gang !

  • @aprilnicole8116
    @aprilnicole81164 жыл бұрын

    Gave me Chills!!!! I can’t wait for the new Album!!!

  • @TVCColin
    @TVCColin4 жыл бұрын

    That was one of the best interviews I have ever seen

  • @timothymorgan3018
    @timothymorgan30184 жыл бұрын

    Been shaking off the cabin fever myself and listening to Tom is such a good thing thanks to his compassion for the world

  • @ejoshcoron
    @ejoshcoron4 жыл бұрын

    Great to get this update from Tom. Great interview!

  • @journeyblink
    @journeyblink4 жыл бұрын

    That was awesome! Great interview and he is right on point... I brought my kids to the last tour and told them “these are my people” and was an honor to share them with the kiddos and everyone was completely awesome bringing them to the front row so they could experience AVA

  • @jdt.13

    @jdt.13

    3 жыл бұрын

    Why aren’t there more comments on this?!?!?!

  • @IkechiUkazu
    @IkechiUkazu4 жыл бұрын

    Dude awesome interview from both Tom and the host. Much respect

  • @lovelight8838
    @lovelight88383 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait to hear it! And see you live🤟⚡❤️

  • @kellybertrand3557
    @kellybertrand35574 жыл бұрын

    Thanks man. Great interview. Made me revisit the Pursuit of tone episode as well. Saw the Austin and Houston concert. Fantastic.

  • @plushman3685
    @plushman36854 жыл бұрын

    Caught the show in Dallas, it made my heart fill up with joy when you played "Aliens Exist" and the entire crowd ended the song "Tom Has Sex With GUYYYS." We still love you. I grew up with Dude Ranch up to now. But I have to admit, I love Angels way more than Blink now. Tom's vocals and melodic choruses and guitar hooks are incredible.

  • @kindkidbk

    @kindkidbk

    4 жыл бұрын

    I WAS THERE TOO!!!! so so great

  • @13b80p49b91
    @13b80p49b914 жыл бұрын

    He just dropped a possible BCR reunion?

  • @George182HD

    @George182HD

    4 жыл бұрын

    Chris Bartha he’s been teasing it for years now. Can’t picture it ever happening to be honest.

  • @13b80p49b91

    @13b80p49b91

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@George182HD you're right. But the hope dies last, you know

  • @eliaxmustdie

    @eliaxmustdie

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@George182HD even travis has hinted at it from time to time, so at this point I don't even know what to believe xD

  • @icecoldleone3988

    @icecoldleone3988

    4 жыл бұрын

    How could he not ? He realizes how dumb he is sometimes

  • @raquelross4503

    @raquelross4503

    4 жыл бұрын

    I would legitimately shit my pants.

  • @macktravels68
    @macktravels684 жыл бұрын

    Saw AVA when they came to Dallas. Amazing concert. Kiss and Tell a GREAT song. Tom is in his element right now. Can't wait for the full album.

  • @WhateverWhenever888
    @WhateverWhenever8884 жыл бұрын

    Tom is amazing and i love everything he makes, I've only heard of a couple Angels & Airwaves songs but man i love them. Rebel Girl is beautiful and i can't get enough of that song. Amazing stuff.

  • @Lukei182
    @Lukei1824 жыл бұрын

    Great interview, NME should take notes! I saw an interview they did with the blink guys recently and the interviewer knew nothing about the band. It’s nice to see Tom at ease, he seems much more comfortable in his own skin these days. Big love for Tom ❤️

  • @Mitch-cv4bf
    @Mitch-cv4bf4 жыл бұрын

    I’m the biggest box car racer fan around, just can’t imagine tom signing box car like he did 18 years ago..

  • @kindkidbk

    @kindkidbk

    4 жыл бұрын

    did you hear circle jerk pit off his solo album? i imagine it likr that

  • @jon_marshall
    @jon_marshall4 жыл бұрын

    Great interview, cracking job by James. Tom said it - he'd obviously done his homework, showed interest (whether he's a fan or not), listened and had a decent conversation vs. typical q&a. Stoked about BCR, the new album and maybe a 2021 tour.

  • @TheJayLordx
    @TheJayLordx4 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant interview, conversation flowed brilliantly and the host was very knowledgeable and genuine. Plus any Tom content is good content

  • @tl7014
    @tl70144 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic interview; Great questions, not cringe and knew your stuff. Great job James!

  • @saudisinaudis
    @saudisinaudis4 жыл бұрын

    I needed this. Thanks Tom.

  • @ccalhoun0016
    @ccalhoun00164 жыл бұрын

    Best interview EVER!!!!!!

  • @OwenKimbleofficial
    @OwenKimbleofficial4 жыл бұрын

    Amazing interview as always!

  • @connorjones2622
    @connorjones26224 жыл бұрын

    I’ve recently started too listening to angels and Airwaves more as I never used too like them but this definitely made me appreciate the band more understanding what it’s about

  • @Aquana19
    @Aquana194 жыл бұрын

    Loved this interview!!! Well researched, entertaining and still bringing out the info, great job!

  • @strat1428
    @strat14284 жыл бұрын

    He really does seem like a great guy who knows himself well and just indulges in his art and passion. Happy to see him doing well these days

  • @Scrubber89
    @Scrubber894 жыл бұрын

    What a fantastic interview.

  • @markrathbone2849
    @markrathbone28494 жыл бұрын

    Great Interview ....needed this .. ava to the uk tour and maybe bcr reunion....

  • @LostinFrance626
    @LostinFrance6264 жыл бұрын

    I hope I get the chance to meet that man. He's one of my favorite people

  • @houthoofd13
    @houthoofd134 жыл бұрын

    I wish BCR made more than one cd!

  • @artvandelay837

    @artvandelay837

    4 жыл бұрын

    Always leave em wanting more. The BCR album is a master piece and I'm glad they only did 1 album.

  • @AlexFarleyMusic

    @AlexFarleyMusic

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cd lol

  • @higuk999

    @higuk999

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@artvandelay837 Definitely think BCR is probably the best blink related projected, just the perfect amount of heavy with great lyrics and such a great vibe

  • @IDiggPattyMayonnaise

    @IDiggPattyMayonnaise

    4 жыл бұрын

    It just goes to show you that Mark Hoppus is the worst part of blink.

  • @higuk999

    @higuk999

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@IDiggPattyMayonnaise I mean i think he's the preferred singer to non diehard blink fans he's a huge part of blinks sound I wouldn't say he's there is a worse part o mean in the neighbourhood era tom definitely was

  • @renoslash1890
    @renoslash18904 жыл бұрын

    Fuckin great interview! Love hearing from Tom in this way. He seems so upbeat and free right now. Cant wait for AVA to return! 👍👍😊

  • @samholt715
    @samholt7154 жыл бұрын

    Great interview!

  • @landmarkcreations1183
    @landmarkcreations11834 жыл бұрын

    In my opinion Tom is one of the best melody writers of our time. Simple but so so catchy and good. Same with his riffs, simple but great

  • @annajjjjkkk1530

    @annajjjjkkk1530

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dumm

  • @Jonathan-ze6oo
    @Jonathan-ze6oo4 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for the new album to come out around my birthday in Autumn!!!! I am it will be a classic again!!! Love from Paris! Stay safe guys!!! cheers

  • @larrygarcia6356
    @larrygarcia63564 жыл бұрын

    It’s funny that he mentions U2 since his continuous guitar riff from his first AVA album sounds spot on U2. AVA is a very cherished band to me. Looking forward to his next album.

  • @congresstart_
    @congresstart_4 жыл бұрын

    Great video and an even better insight into who is an amazing human being

  • @bowhunter2
    @bowhunter24 жыл бұрын

    Tom is so genuine

  • @skramzzz1956
    @skramzzz19564 жыл бұрын

    I love Tom so much

  • @trhenryvlogs9638
    @trhenryvlogs96384 жыл бұрын

    He’s doing his own thing right now with AVA and BCR probably won’t happen would be surprised if he got that back together instead of going back to Blink for a reunion tour. Cool to see this new interview/chat with Tom our a real perspective on what idea he has and what he is doing.

  • @vitalikklishin9435
    @vitalikklishin94354 жыл бұрын

    what a nice interview

  • @elftower907
    @elftower9074 жыл бұрын

    well that was amazing

  • @richardfetherston210
    @richardfetherston2104 жыл бұрын

    He is sooo cool, I seen Blink182 in 2012 and it blew me away. Please get back with blink tom 👍

  • @GC-bj1kx
    @GC-bj1kx4 жыл бұрын

    I have a feeling this Angels & Airwaves album, will be WDNTW pt.2. Cant wait for it Brother.

  • @joeholloway182
    @joeholloway1824 жыл бұрын

    whatever it may be, I really hope he and Travis make something together again one day. That's an unbeatable drums and guitar/vox combination

  • @krishantalati5709
    @krishantalati57094 жыл бұрын

    When they come to Australia.. hopefully.. I believe it's gonna be a show like no other

  • @PlopstoperGames

    @PlopstoperGames

    4 жыл бұрын

    Springdawn89 __ nice profile picture

  • @902103462

    @902103462

    4 жыл бұрын

    Omg would be a dream for us down under

  • @dreyganwestlake3729

    @dreyganwestlake3729

    4 жыл бұрын

    i hope they do an under 18 show, but i doubt they will. :(

  • @TheBlinkisback09
    @TheBlinkisback094 жыл бұрын

    He could always reboot modlife to connect with the fans 👀

  • @jcc1ked

    @jcc1ked

    4 жыл бұрын

    TheBlinkisback09 man I have been wishing and waiting for that. One of the best platforms. I miss strange times too. I guess we have TTSA now tho lol

  • @TSandstrom30

    @TSandstrom30

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes pleeeease. Miss the modcams and all the modlife content

  • @IDIOTEQTube
    @IDIOTEQTube4 жыл бұрын

    Such a great dude

  • @joeglo_
    @joeglo_4 жыл бұрын

    Saw AVA this past October... Blown away! They sounded fucking good and the music they’ve released in 2019 has been killer

  • @ryanbuckley5529
    @ryanbuckley55293 жыл бұрын

    Tom and his brother are my heroes!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @pksk8d
    @pksk8d3 жыл бұрын

    I get the impression that James the interviewer is low-key freaking out inside that he's on a video call with Tom DeLonge - I know I would be!

  • @Yrellify
    @Yrellify4 жыл бұрын

    Spread HOPE Like fire !

  • @EK-dt4cp
    @EK-dt4cp4 жыл бұрын

    Love me some Tommy D!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻

  • @Mr420Dankbudz
    @Mr420Dankbudz4 жыл бұрын

    We will only get one Tom DeLonge in our life. He is the most inspirational person ever! Wish he would make more BoxCarRacer music! He did tease it so it may be in the works. You can tell he’s going thru a tough time cause the world has truly changed before our eyes. You should’ve asked how many tracks on the new CD.

  • @anniiaha
    @anniiaha4 жыл бұрын

    Tom is fucking amazing. His confidence and believe in his work is truly inspiring.

  • @bruisedbug
    @bruisedbug4 жыл бұрын

    tom is so appreciative and sweet

  • @liamchapman3479
    @liamchapman34794 жыл бұрын

    Tom is an international treasure and must be protected at all costs!

  • @M.O.L.D.EFfects
    @M.O.L.D.EFfects4 жыл бұрын

    Okay! **searching for plane tickets for next spring to the UK**

  • @dannyb7371
    @dannyb73714 жыл бұрын

    Wish they would come to Aus, would love to see them live.

  • @NotHere12345
    @NotHere123454 жыл бұрын

    I see Tom and BCR, I click.

  • @garyroberts2014
    @garyroberts20144 жыл бұрын

    Rebel girl now the tune just rocks ✊👌

  • @AngryBootneck
    @AngryBootneck4 жыл бұрын

    He likes a lot of British bands, the man clearly has excellent taste in music! 😂💂‍♂️👌

  • @ramirorenteria42
    @ramirorenteria424 жыл бұрын

    Dude, he mentioned the group consciousness having effects on actual reality, so can we have like a national weekly good intention focused thought choir session? Peace love happiness prosperity and health for all✌🏽

  • @daymonpancheri9700
    @daymonpancheri97004 жыл бұрын

    More lead singers should be more chill & down to earth like Tom Delonge!

  • @Katarinarabbit

    @Katarinarabbit

    4 жыл бұрын

    Daymon Pancheri I honestly think Tom and Matt should do something an alk 3 AvA mash up would be great

  • @lovelight8838
    @lovelight88383 жыл бұрын

    Congrats on your movement 👏👏👏 US Navy mentioned you✨

  • @andriymelnychenko4174
    @andriymelnychenko41744 жыл бұрын

    I love AVA! New album is coming out in mid fall

  • @himanshudoley9589
    @himanshudoley95894 жыл бұрын

    Tom DeLonge is the best thing that has happened to me in my life.

  • @blakedavis2447
    @blakedavis24474 жыл бұрын

    I’m not a big ava fan but kiss and tells a bop and I’m excited for his new album

  • @kenshigo3833
    @kenshigo38334 жыл бұрын

    Those 20 min were over WAY too fast! Such a humble, nice dude, I wish I could meet him one day!

  • @rayuriz5511
    @rayuriz55114 жыл бұрын

    Nice Interview Working on New Songs Myself

  • @ryansvlogsandvideos953
    @ryansvlogsandvideos9534 жыл бұрын

    Tom your so awesome dude you rock my brother I pray I well be able to meet you I know people hear like me love you man in England 🙂🤟👊

  • @ndv123ndv
    @ndv123ndv4 жыл бұрын

    Toms the king

  • @MultiJagoff
    @MultiJagoff4 жыл бұрын

    love everything he do around music, but UFO to.

  • @PedroDiego
    @PedroDiego3 жыл бұрын

    Ava has to come to Brazil!

  • @SAMHPWRTH
    @SAMHPWRTH4 жыл бұрын

    I have a lot of time for Tom. Yes him leaving blink was heartbreaking but he seems so happy in what he’s doing and just seems in a good place, and we’re getting interviews like this from him! Good interviewing as well, sick of people making him out to be a nutcase. He knows what he wants to do and he’s doing it, if it makes him happy leave him be. And it seems like he’s right.

  • @FlyingV555

    @FlyingV555

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. People keep asking him "When are you gonna rejoin Blink" or "When's Boxcar Racer coming back?". I'm sure it bugs the shit out of him deep down. Just let him do his thing. Besides if he wanted to he'd never have to work again.

  • @manuelfong2648
    @manuelfong26484 жыл бұрын

    Man drop the new album and make bcr album PLEASE

  • @larrywiseman2944
    @larrywiseman29444 жыл бұрын

    Boxcar Racer!!!!

  • @ollimattivehkalahti4894
    @ollimattivehkalahti48944 жыл бұрын

    what a gent

  • @GhostFacedrummer
    @GhostFacedrummer4 жыл бұрын

    Tom’s best stuff is from Blink. One of my favs: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4ZpzZiblLmqmto.html what’s yours?

  • @SA3LIE
    @SA3LIE4 жыл бұрын

    Love Box Car Racer! Wonder what’s brewing...

  • @The_Professor123
    @The_Professor1234 жыл бұрын

    I've seen the glowing orbs in the night sky. They travel as fast as a jet with no sound. They come to stop and speed up almost instantly.

  • @1967lathrop
    @1967lathrop4 жыл бұрын

    We have great power together!! The elites know this and work to keep up separated. Tom is 100% correct. Love all trust a few and do harm to no one.

  • @thetimeswithwillyd2032
    @thetimeswithwillyd20324 жыл бұрын

    "Elsewhere, we chat about the possibility of a comeback for his Box Car Racer project with Travis Barker." Where can I find this interview?

  • @EliYBY

    @EliYBY

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's in this video after the @14:30 mark

  • @WestSideModSquad
    @WestSideModSquad4 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to the album drop in the fall. L)ve AvA forever.

  • @PatrickHerring
    @PatrickHerring4 жыл бұрын

    Tom DeGoat

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