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On 9th February 1933, Oxford Union members voted 275 to 153 in favour of the motion 'This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and Country', a result met with outrage from the political establishment. Sir Winston Churchill described the vote as an 'abject, squalid, shameless, avowel', citing it as a reason for Adolf Hitler's later brinkmanship. Ninety years to the day after this motion was first put to the House, would this house still not fight for its sovereign and kingdom?
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Another puppet
George Galloway wiped the floor with this charlatan
@GOLDSMITHEXILE
Жыл бұрын
yep, pasted him flat with superior intelligence, wit, honesty, logic and rhetoric
I notice that George did not simply read a pre prepared text.
@brospartacus5069
Жыл бұрын
*Nor did George feel the need to smear stage blood on his forehead and pretend he was resuscitating someone on Westminster bridge as part of a psychological operation to bring in martial law, as Ellwood did in his treasonous moment of infamy.*
@andrewgora3672
Жыл бұрын
Don't be surprised Tobias Ellwood is just another mindless dummy and a clapping seal from the present House of commons. Is it any wonder that George Galloway isn't in the present House of commons.
@MaybeTheBest
Жыл бұрын
So did I.
@Kampbell300
Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t need to when he’s been saying the same thing longer than most people in that room have been alive
Galloway destroyed this man
@desydukuk291
Жыл бұрын
What a very stupid comment, "DESTROYED THIS MAN".
@GSThai
Жыл бұрын
@@desydukuk291 don't cry
@desydukuk291
Жыл бұрын
@@GSThai Another very stupid immature comment.
@GSThai
Жыл бұрын
@@desydukuk291 Still crying?
@bl4ckb3ll
Жыл бұрын
@@desydukuk291 it's not a stupid comment. I agree with gordon.
A great prime minister will not come from that room. A great prime minister will come from the working class. From those who live in the real world. Not a Labour government we need.a complete change.
@telsutton
Жыл бұрын
Damn right... those Establishment bastards have it coming big time.
@mrsalaam3654
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@JohnDoe-do8fh
Жыл бұрын
Spot on. We need someone of the working class that understands the working class. No rich oxford baby in a tuxedo is fit to rule a nation that is majority workers.
@ThePierre58
Жыл бұрын
It has happened, check your history.
@Loundsify
Жыл бұрын
We a proper representation of the full public, not just a 2 party state. FPTP needs to end if democracy is to exist in this country.
Slimy
@ravigukathasan4867
Жыл бұрын
True slime ball rat
Unimpressed
🗣️ Send this guy to the front lines!
@qboxer
Жыл бұрын
He has served. Have you?
@Liam-uh3pr
Жыл бұрын
He was literally an infantry soldier
@kwame176
Жыл бұрын
@@Liam-uh3pr send him back to fight a real war. Not fighting some guys in the desert with AKs and no air support or artillery.
@kwame176
Жыл бұрын
@@qboxer nope, and I don’t plan to fight and die for some rich guys in suits.
@qboxer
Жыл бұрын
@@kwame176 for someone who hasn’t done any fighting, you sure know how to run your mouth.
All the generals, Royals, super rich and all parliament should start ironing their military uniforms and medals 🏅 and go to Ukraine, the people won’t be fighting for you
Ellwood will fight till the last drop of Ukrainian blood.....what a pratt
rubbish talk
How about if all politicians and they sons and daughters will go to fight for they king and country to show to the public how much they care and love even to die for they king and country !!
Elwood is apparently according to most who ‘know’ him say he’s a “nice chap”; the in essence he’s right, but he’s talking of intervention, which is antithetical to actually fighting for one’s own country; further the “interventions” in Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Syria, Libya, etc were for regime change to suit the average politicians pocket; none of these countries were a direct threat to us; Russia isn’t a direct threat to us now, the issues they have, like those countries I just mentioned, are THEIRS to sort out, they are simply nothing to do with the west! We need to take heed of what President Eisenhower said in his farewell address to the nation, about “influence so ought or unsought” by the “military industrial complex”; this is all happening now; there was a time where I’d have fought for this King, for the Queen who preceded him, and this country; not any more, nor my sons, because of todays breed of self-seeking politicians who want to involve us in country-sized money-laundering schemes like Ukraine…
@criticalbiker1273
Жыл бұрын
There’s always 10% for the big guy🤷♂️🤷♂️
@googleuser2609
Жыл бұрын
"Russia isn’t a direct threat to us now, the issues they have, like those countries I just mentioned, are THEIRS to sort out, they are simply nothing to do with the west! " ... ---*Do you not think Russia wants to dominate Europe?* If the West does not help defend Ukraine, what will be the result?
@lw1zfog
Жыл бұрын
all valid, unfortunately, Eisenhower was also a member of ‘The Pilgrims Society’.
@matthewcresswell-ff5iw
Ай бұрын
we will be fighting for the small hats they love thier proxies
George Galloway DESTROYED them.
Don't ever fight for anyone who wouldn't fight for you.
What a terrible uninspiring speech.
When I invade it’s okay, but when someone else does it, “fight for king and country” even if it doesn’t involve your homeland. 😂😂😂
George Galloway destroyed him.
@lawrencebico1861
Жыл бұрын
With a speech worthy of a traitor
Oh dear, the valour stolen for the insignia of his 77 Brigade from a true hero Orde Wingate and his Chindits. The very worst of slippery politico.
How about let the king go out and fight for his people's like they did in the old days instead of the other way round
Dear Oxford students. By "we" they mean "you" not "them".
Booooo
We need to fight our own invaders not go abroad to fight.
Great speech Tobias. But as usual with politicians, you just don't get the point. Fighting for King & Country should mean fighting for the people of this great country not because the miss guided Politicians took their eye of the ball. So now ordinary people have to back up mistakes made by incompetent politicians - leaders. Now we have a war in Ukraine. A war the west could have stopped by simply listening to the stage. Not just America. Instead, Boris tried to save his PM ship by going to Ukraine saying UK will back This Ukraine war. Nobody asked the people of the UK? If they had politicians would have stuck to the MINSK agreement instead of using it to train Ukraine's Azov Nasi group. Not my words but the BBC. the very people that issue out the west propaganda. NO FIGHTING FOR KING & COUNTRY IS NOT FIGHTING BECAUSE THE KING OR POLITICIANS SAY SO. Its because we have a just war to fight for. UKRAINE IS NO SUCH WAR.
@Tonydjjokerit
Жыл бұрын
My sentiments exactly Martin but most of the UK population are sheep! SPREAD THE WORD!
Prior to his political career, Ellwood served in the Royal Green Jackets and reached the rank of captain. He transferred to the Army Reserve and has gone on to reach the rank of lieutenant colonel in the psyop '77th Brigade'.
@annedonnellan6876
Жыл бұрын
He asked for the army to roll out the vax, control the narrative and manage the DNA database
@The_New_IKB
Жыл бұрын
The Chindits!
@sands2727
Жыл бұрын
Idioot
@frederickmiles327
Жыл бұрын
No one on earth would be less like General Wingate, than the Anglo American provincial Tobias Ellwood. Wingate's greatest contribution was as a British Army intelligence officer in Palestine he leaked to and assisted the developing Israeli, Jewish resistance and essentially formed the SNS the inchoate Israeli army attracting these services of many of the greatest future military leaders, Generals and Prims .insurers, such as Moshe Dayan and Begin. Ellwood is a simplistic cartoon in comparison.
@anthonytaylor9232
Жыл бұрын
@@The_New_IKB Wash your mouth out. You insult the Chindits !
bla bla bla history started in 2001 bla bla bla (eyes rolling)
@MichaelHolloway
Жыл бұрын
and that history doesn't include 9/11, the war on terror, and the new security state
Off you go then.
We should NEVER fight for anyone! We should seek truth and justice, and fight to spread this across the world!
From my learnt lived experience, they don't look after their service personnel. They don't take responsibility for their own agency when things go wrong, so why should anyone sacrifice themselves for people who don't really care, for a system that doesn't support you. Short of the land itself being attacked and one having to defend the country, I would avoid these people like the plague.
@anthonytaylor9232
Жыл бұрын
well said!
The one’s who vote for it should be the first to go to demonstrate their belief in their ideology. It’s easy to vote for policy that does not and will not directly effect them🤷♂️🤷♂️
His opening softening of the audience puts me in mind of the day that David Cameron (then Prime Minister) addressed the crew of the Ark Royal expressing his gratitude and pride in the young men and women fighting (if required) for the very freedom of their country……and shortly thereafter he scrapped the ship and cast the crew and their families to one side…. Beware people like Tobias Elwood
What a fud!
Respect to Tobias Ellwood for his service. However, clearly stating that the Afghanistan Intervention 'was wrong' in attempting to impose Western values on that country and that this was a mistake by politicians and THEN expecting, asking, demanding that young soldiers should NONETHELESS risk their lives and possibly die in such disastrous and ill thought out causes is a nonsense. (Any student of history, indeed anybody with half a brain, knew that Western military involvement in Afghanistan was destined to fail... Even Alexander The Great never conquered Afghanistan...) Great Britain has historically fought SEVEN wars in Afghanistan and lost in all of them...YET this speaker suggests that soldiers, brave serving men and women, should WITHOUT QUESTION lay down their lives for an impossible and ill-thought-through political idea? (No modern GENERAL thought that the West might 'triumph' in the Afghanistan. NOR WERE THEY PERMITTED TO SAY SO PUBLICLY!!!!) Given the subsequent and ignominious withdrawal, would ANYBODY say that the common soldiery were 'duty bound' to fight that unwinnable war? Do the mothers of the fallen think their children died for 'King and Country'??? And if so, was that sacrifice worth it? Afghanistan was no threat to 'King and Country'... Afghanistan under the Taliban maintains an embassy in London. (With full diplomatic priviliges...) Relations with the new Taliban state are 'cordial'... Almost 500 UK servicemen and women lost their lives in the most recent (2001-2014) Afghanistan war. Hundreds more were horribly maimed. THOUSANDS MORE continue to suffer physically and mentally from the aftermath of that conflict... For 'King and Country'???? No. Simply no. xx SF
@stuartwray6175
Жыл бұрын
In 2014, more than 500 children were killed, and over 10.000 injured by Israel's seven week long, Operation Protective Edge.
Yes, we were wrong in Afghanistan to think those people were ready for democracy - yet people like this guy and other politicians insisted that we bring Afghanistanis to the UK, a democratic country and very different to Afghanistan culture!
Eviscerated by George.
Warmonger
Tobias 'Odious' Ellwood
A win certainly....but using tactics that left a bad taste in the mouth. I would have hoped students at Oxford would have seen through this. At least he showed-up though, unlike his colleague who clearly lacked the bottle for this debate in the end.
so a Ukraine War will be another policing action, he says. He is walking blind and smiling into 210* million dead. (* --- conventional weapons only --- estimated increase in killing power of 3X over WWII (very conservative; includes the fact of artillery power increases; accuracy increase + amazing stand-off accuracy; digital communications were made to be applied to combined operations)
if you ever wondered whether we live in a meritocracy....
Elmore Fudge choked big time. he looks like prince andrew on crack. as usual, great job Sir. George Galloway.
@Johndonald-cz1gl
Жыл бұрын
who is Elmore Fudge ?
If one applies the arguments of Tobias to their natural conclusions, you could argue we should actually be fighting with Russia against the naxi threat posed by ukranian nationalism. Just a thought...
@lw1zfog
Жыл бұрын
.... steady on there, bit too close to TRUTH & FACTS.
Underwhelmed… and fancy admitting you went to Loughborough!
Lots of empty slogan !🙄
Which democracy does he talking about? Serving your little red dragon of king? Come on! Wake up folks! Free Julian Assange and stop demagogy, that's the only battle you have to fight to keep your liberty.
@lw1zfog
Жыл бұрын
if we all headed up to the City of London ‘Square Mile’, opened up the big banks & showed everyone the dedicated, on site freemasonic lodges, we could have this place all tidied up in a matter of months.
We mustn't let our guard down; we live in a volatile, uncertain world.
Fail.
He's just talking foreign politics and not about "fighting for king and country". It lacks sincere passion and conviction like Galloways speech.
Great Prime Ministers never want the job, they come to the job at time of need, Churchill was one of them, he was actually very unpopular at times, he was known as warmonger, and my nan commented once of his attitude towards The Great Smog, but he had the steel and grit that Brits needed during his first and second term partly because the options like today are limited to numpties and do gooders.
that's twice the opposition threatened to have put in jail one of the For side. Not cricket, and is fascist; a sign of the times.
Give it 20 years and this speech will go in the bin with all the other pro war speeches throughout history.
terrible.
WW2 another pointless occurrence.
U fkn do it pal
Always failing at understanding other's nations cultures. western culture is not really based on wellfare but on capitalism
Another word smith spouting off. Its only the young who fight, like you would have done when you were a young British Soldier. you weave such words together now your on safe ground. Get us real veterans recognised! then I will listen to you and may even agree with you.
George spoke frm feeling and knowledge, this dude had to read his notes. lifelss not engaging delivery. like slime off a dirty wall
Uninspiring. Unimpressive. Unimaginative. Underwhelming. We witnessed a reading rather than a persuasive speech. Would you fight for this man's pride?
I enjoyed Galloway s contribution, however, having stood in a trench during enemy bombardment, I can attest that Richard Shirreff nails this debate.
@alanclw6024
Жыл бұрын
How does standing in a trench during enemy bombardment have anything to do with him nailing the debate?
@ThePierre58
Жыл бұрын
@@alanclw6024 Its my opinion, just like yours, I have the right to say what I believe in.
@alanclw6024
Жыл бұрын
@ThePierre58 Of course, you have the right to say whatever you want. But anyone has the right to ask you to clarify your statement. The difference between a good and bad position is the ability to do so and you have failed in that regard. Which basically makes your statement a false narrative.
@ThePierre58
Жыл бұрын
@@alanclw6024 Again, its 2 opinions, that is basically it. No need to pad out your one with accusations of " false narrative". You are not my judge, you are just another bloke, I am assuming your gender, on KZread.
@alanclw6024
Жыл бұрын
@ThePierre58 2 replies, and you refuse to elaborate. Mine is not an opinion. It was a question asking you to elaborate "your" opinion. It's quite ironic for someone who is watching a debate to respond this way. Anything, you have proven my point and I don't want to harass the less intellectually gifted.
Great speech.
@J3unG
Жыл бұрын
His eyes never left the paper.
@hussar6347
Жыл бұрын
"Great speech"...its time to take your head out your ARSS!
@ibilly99
Жыл бұрын
Rubbish Galloway blew them all away.
@aquickstepcarter
Жыл бұрын
Galloway had them all for breakfast, in fact, not one of them could take a biscuit to his speech/rant. Personally, I would not fight for this king, nor for these politicians. In that reality, I have fought for this country, and the Queen has now departed. God rest her soul, at least a general got it right we don’t fight for any of these idiots we fight for the mate who is on her shoulders. Are we fight for a regiment Anna Anna with fear mostly.
@JLo1960
Жыл бұрын
Really!, Were you listening to someone else?. 🙄
Tobias is in verge of a heart attack - full of evil blubber