What a fiasco . Unless Malcolm pressures them for an amswer they are not willing to devulge anything. Thank you Senator Roberts

@MrFastFarmer

8 ай бұрын

Everything regarding Snowy 2 is a fiasco, but there is no accountability so who cares

@greer-lr2lg

7 ай бұрын

They'll care if their pay checks stop...everyone needs to stop paying fines and taxes immediately...dry up their incomes.

Did that woman just talk for 3 minutes and say absolutely nothing?

Incompetence or malice. Australians have been had by criminals both in parliament and in business for far too long.

@gregjenkins2925

8 ай бұрын

the amount of money that changes hands between "mates" - the endless back door deals...

@MrFastFarmer

8 ай бұрын

@@gregjenkins2925 over the last 50 years no one has left parliament and not increased there wealth to millions

@jellybean1976928

8 ай бұрын

Both. The big treason against the people started at least as far back as 1970, now the final mass immigration push to destroy any remnant of the real Australia. We are in big trouble. Net zero immigration I say.

Malcolms a good fossil. Still believes in truth and accountability. Shocks the rest of them senseless.

@memine3704

7 ай бұрын

Well...unless it's himself and duel citizenship that is....

It’s time to make it a criminal offence to knowingly lie to any senate, enquiry, or any government enquiry with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

@MrFastFarmer

8 ай бұрын

Time to get rid of these senate enquires. Just a waste of time and money.

@colinmeehan791

8 ай бұрын

Not so.@@MrFastFarmer

@MrFastFarmer

8 ай бұрын

@@colinmeehan791 do tell me why?

@jellybean1976928

8 ай бұрын

So we need an admission to prove the truth? Never been required in a properly conducted criminal court. Most politicians are Criminal traitors and it is high time that they were treated as such.@@Bennie32831

There is no way this would stand up to a cost benefit analysis

@jellybean1976928

8 ай бұрын

Just like EV's, all ideology and facts do not come into it.

@andrewday3206

7 ай бұрын

It will provide so much energy for 100 years it is easily financially viable

@toddb9313

7 ай бұрын

@@andrewday3206 $12 billion, while damaging a national park, no 100 years of power does not justify the cost. It will generate 2.2 gigawatts, not a lot for $12 billion.

@andrewday3206

7 ай бұрын

@@toddb9313 Are you kidding? It will store 350,000 MW/Hrs and 2,200 MW is 4 nuclear reactors of energy. It is a massive amount of energy with zero emissions. It does not wreck a national park once complete like a coal plant or refinery would

@andrewday3206

7 ай бұрын

@@toddb9313 It is enough energy to power 1.3 million homes! It is massive energy

it moved 10 meters typical production for government funded operations in a year

@berniestar1490

8 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@MrFastFarmer

8 ай бұрын

it now is over budget and requiring further funding 😉

@robsandon05

8 ай бұрын

That’s actual progress compared to many government initiatives…. We should be celebrating it.

@Billydevito

8 ай бұрын

There’s no hurry when you charge by the DAY, and the Australian taxpayer is PAYING !!

Without someone with the capability of Senator Roberts we would be in the dark as to the damning situation this project finds itself in. On various subjects we owe him a debt of gratitude for his fortitude and perseverance. Thank you Malcolm.

The Minister’s body language is avoiding the issue with lies looking down right.

would have thought that lying to a senator in one of these hearings would have carried some kind of serious penalty.

@Al-jp7ll

4 ай бұрын

Not when they are working for the government and covering their incompetence!

"Complex Project" meaning "we're bumbling idiots and dont know what we're doing".

Watch these muppets wriggling and lying their way out of this mess, nothing but misinformation and lies, time to only pay when they achieve goals and milestones.

What a disaster unfolding here. And costing us Billions. Why are the Governments so careless and slap happy with our money. I’m not seeing accountability, all I’m seeing is incompetence and pigs with their snouts in the trough. We the people would like to have our say and we are NOT happy, not just with this but with all government contracts. So so much waste and their carelessness on this is not acceptable

Are all these politicians liars or W HAT ?

What a bloody shit show,no wonder we are one of the highest taxed countries. Please can someone give us a viable alternative ❤️🙏🇦🇺

@DavidNotSolomon

8 ай бұрын

Yes, families are going without food while politicians and fat cats blow money on these projects and give away millions overseas for wars.

@martinrayner6466

8 ай бұрын

*Voluntary taxes, and non compulsory services for the general public, more reliance on social institutions, coupled with a massive reduction in government departments.* _(Not socialism, or communism)_ ;)

@belongda6032

8 ай бұрын

Stop voting for the 2 major parties! They are 2 wings from the same bird.

@grahamwhittaker8844

8 ай бұрын

@@belongda6032 i haven’t voted for them in years but the problem is everyone else does and we can’t seem to find an alternative.

@belongda6032

8 ай бұрын

@@grahamwhittaker8844 I agree. We also have to get rid of these feeder parties like the Greens that send all there votes over to Labor. The system is broken!

I think we have lost the smart , the strong willing to create good men in Australia,

Public Servants cannot and will not take responsibility for their shortcomings and mistakes. They will blame private contractors or “acts of god” instead of taking accountability.

@rob6543

8 ай бұрын

Very true

Wow, from 2 billion to this, which will blow out even more. All for 40 minutes of power per day. Turnbull described himself as a nation builder after announcing this project. We were ridiculed at the time for saying this was a waste of money, even at the original guesstimate

@EmpressEnergy1

8 ай бұрын

Its under it all. The bunker system is where the money has gone

@KrullStar

8 ай бұрын

Bunker system? Sorry if that’s a dumb question

@enterpassword3313

8 ай бұрын

​@@EmpressEnergy1yeah whats this bunker system??

@enterpassword3313

8 ай бұрын

​@@EmpressEnergy1banking system?

@LiNa-cn6mu

8 ай бұрын

Turnbull was an expert at syphoning... money from Australian pockets to his bank in the Canary Islands. Scumo ditto.

If she come to the questioning and is not prepared sacking her is the only option? She is not doing her job.

Im in Canberra and wish i could vote for you mr Roberts. In these later years your tenacity is unparalleled with younger constituents around you.

10m in 10 months🤷‍♀️… must be the worst machine or crew in the country! Also, how come when these “experts” or Ministers/Senators lie to the parliament, the Senate or the people it’s called “misleading” but if the average citizen does, it’s lying?🤷‍♀️ $100,000,000 to $200,000,000 if the “Florence” is scrapped l? Someone is making a LOT of money from this and it’s taxpayers’ money🤬

@lynndonharnell422

8 ай бұрын

If that's not bogged, I don't know what else it could be.

This money should have been spent on the Bradfield scheme and the Beale scheme in NSW. Jack Beale's scheme not only would have diverted water inland and given inland NSW unlimited water, and it would give us a hydro scheme bigger than Snowy hydro.

@einfelder8262

8 ай бұрын

Ah, but would it have provided the same kickbacks to the Liberal Faithful?

@paythepiper6283

8 ай бұрын

@@einfelder8262 Unless you are blind or retarded you would have noticed that big business is not in the pocket of the Libs. Its Labor, their wealthy mates and Union Buddy's sharing all the spoils nowadays.

@AquaMarine1000

8 ай бұрын

Don't forget the prime reason the Snowy Scheme was built was to provide water for agriculture.

@fugawiaus

8 ай бұрын

@@einfelder8262if that was the case labor would enjoy bringing it out…… unless labor are getting Aldi bags again

@baddaddy8718

8 ай бұрын

@@AquaMarine1000by taking water off the farmers?? Lol, what a strange way of looking after agriculture😂

What a shambles. Thanks senator.

Malcolm Roberts is unreal he’s so very powerful in the way he speaks and not to say he’s research is next to none 🇦🇺👏

Senator Roberts is always right. He’s a champion. Learn from him.

Corrupt to the core."Ill take in on notice"..What a disgrace

This incredibly soft ground - before you drive a $200 million dollar machine into a tunnel - don't you check the ground first?

@briananderson7285

8 ай бұрын

You would hope so , I check ground for, cranes, excavators, bull dozzers ,loaders ???

@AquaMarine1000

8 ай бұрын

The tunnelling machine is not driven into a tunnel, but removes earth to form a tunnel. A three dimensional tunnel course is plotted with a geological survey which consists of drilling small vertical holes from the surface into the strata. Geological anomalies do exist and are subsequently discovered during the tunnelling process. It is a misconception the ground is solid beneath our feet. It may be said Snowy Hydro has the weight of the earth on it shoulder. Cheers

@DavidNotSolomon

8 ай бұрын

@@AquaMarine1000 For $200 million dollars I would want to be able to detect anomalies and stop the machine before it sank into the ground blocking said tunnel and being unable to be removed - either that, or do it the old fashioned way with smaller equipment.

@martinrayner6466

8 ай бұрын

I worked on a small AQ drilling rig, that can go down tunnels, and push a diamond tipped core 250 feet in any direction (even horizontally). So why didn't they use that (now old) technology to find out what they were going into? *Seems like massive incompetence to me.*

@MullockHeap

8 ай бұрын

They pre drilled 100 metres ahead of the machine before it started and hit soft ground and water. They sent the tunnelling machine anyway without the slurrying attachment they knew they needed. Sinkhole happened as a result.

Good old Turnbul is involved just like his NBN stuff up. These people could not run a tuck shop. Who wrote and signed off on these contracts?

Yes, cancel Snowy 2.0 now. Well done, Malcolm Roberts.

Awesome work Roberts 👏 keep on their tail 🇦🇺

Seriously these people are a shamble. Poor malcolm, you have my sympathy for trying to get question's answered from such dills

What a joke.......yak yak blah blah NO answer. Keep it up Malcolm

"I don't remember." "I haven't got the papers." "I haven't got the numbers.".....These are the kind of answers you get when you ask a serious question.

Florence is only 15 metres into the tunnel, there it became bogged in soft ground and it hasn’t moved since. This is common knowledge in Tumut. With all the modern technology available it’s surprising that they weren’t aware of the soft ground. Who knows if there will be any progress.

Senator Roberts is spot-on, and we should all be grateful that someone is trying to keep the bastards honest. The entire project, as he stated, was "based on a false premise". FFS can we just build coal & gas powerplants already? The Australian people deserve to benefit from the vast natural energy resources our country offers, to reduce our costs of living and doing business. Selling it all to China as raw materials is stone-age thinking, and any argument that the Snowy II scheme is going to help the climate or the environment is just clown-world Chicken Little thinking. Australia should be much more prosperous, and right-thinking governments must put Australia first, just let China and India get emotional & stressed about climate change.

So we will be paying something like $6896 for every Australian citizen to get this thing to work . But even then the wires aren’t finished . It’s time to call it quits and stop the bleeding out. It failed.

@andrewsmith8729

8 ай бұрын

No. A TBM is a multimillion dollar machine. Two projects they have been used on are the London Underground and the Chunnel Project between England and France. The Chunnel is actually 3 tunnels. They started boring from either end. On the French side they ran into soft ground and water issues. It took them ages for the issues to be rectified. Today, the Chunnel is open and a well means of transport between England and the France. These kind of issues don't get fixed in five minutes at the pub for the cost of a couple of beers. There are two types of engineer... a talker and a doer. If this were Bechtel Engineers saying the project was a failure and irretrievable... they are one of the go-to international engineering experts in the world. Whereas, Roberts is a talker who doesn't even come close to their level of engineering expertise. Malcolm Roberts talks a good game and probably means well..... but never forget this is the guy who spent 8 years unemployed with a highly desirable qualification behind him. Then, his first speech in Parliament after being elected was a real doozy... about the Bilderbergers and conspiracy theories.

They never answer...

Where do all these hopeless people keep their jobs? The Australian tax payer is being ripped off once again🤬

What a Disgusting disgraceful situation. Who’s going to be held to account? Lies lies lies..

This the biggest piece of machinery in the project. If she says she doesn’t know she is lieing.

Cancel the bloody waste of $12B! This project works out to be $5.4M per MW! A Tesla Megapack comes in at ~$2.2M AUD for 3.9M MW ~$500K per MW not $5.4M! The equivalent cost of Snowy 2.0's 2200MW is $1.2B, add another billion or 2 for Shipping, Land & transmission lines. You can get the same end result for less than they have already wasted.

@bevaninaustralia

8 ай бұрын

@ebeneze5648 snowy 2.0 will use renewable energy to pump the water up to Tantangara Dam and then use gravity to generate power, basically the same as a battery. I don’t know what the efficiency of doing this is?, but I’d put money on it being less than a stationary battery system.

@derekmottley3656

7 ай бұрын

​@@bevaninaustraliaproducing electricity involves transforming energy(heat,wind,sun) into another form of energy(electricity) Including losses, friction & other factors, you do not get a proportionate output to input. Using electricity (pumps) to make water flow to drive turbines, to generate electricity is inefficient. I don't think technology has changed enough to change that principle.

Cancellation may be the best and most prudent course of Action. Spending your way out of trouble without a proper plan to know whats ahead and stay within budget is naive (and bad project management). Simon Bartlett's comments on 4 corners re "better options to spend money on today" are pertinent and also requires investigation. Snowy II looks like an example of a bad project planning on the back of "captain calls". Well done Malcolm - you are doing a great job on this topic.

Hahaha I need to take that on notice......

Bruce Mountain pegged this project as a huge Dud shortly after Turnbull announced it & now Turnbull is blameing everyone but himself for this disaster. Time for honesty instead dissembling & outright BS.

Well, a project with no costing limits. In the abc program they mentioned a number of areas of soft tunnelling yet to be bored so it still may get even more interesting.

I do believe that Malcolm is the only Engineer in the parliament hence he has an understanding of civil construction whilst far too many of our politicians have zero real world experience, this is a huge problem.

@andrewsmith8729

8 ай бұрын

Don't be silly. Malcolm Roberts is a paper tiger. He is allegedly a mining engineer and holds a Masters Degree in Business Administration from the Chicago University. That said, he doesn't have a lot of years' hands on experience in either role. Which likely explains why he was unemployed for 8 years after his last role. With those qualifications, and 'alleged' experience... there should be no shortage of work if you are competent and genuinely good at what you do. There are lots of these paper tiger types in the world...... impressive on paper.... not so impressive when it comes to the practical...... but talk a good game. The TBM has hit soft ground and water. That is not the first time it has occurred in the world. It is solvable.

This just demonstrates that senate enquiries are a total waste of time.

These guys just say whatever they want, lies are just not punished. It's about time that we abolish Parliamentary privilege 😡

Bowen. Puts a shiver down my spine when that word is mentioned.

When you say did Florence move? You could have highlighted actual advanced boring distance, that question could be construed. Did they pull it back 10 m with hydraulic rams like we did for burried coal continues miners? Love your work Senator

@andrewsmith8729

8 ай бұрын

No..... a TBM cannot be reversed or pulled back. The concrete liner that is installed as it progresses reduces the diameter of the bored hole.

Mr.Whippy 😂

His excuse making was to include, there’s lots of subjective definitions of the words stuck, bogged etc? 😂😂 It’s always been able to go forward. Brilliant! When can it start doing what it’s hired to do then? Seriously, the selection of some of the people in these roles is disturbing. The woman before him, just wow! You can’t make this up.

What are 'share holder ministers'?

@carolseidl1971

8 ай бұрын

I am puzzled by that phrase too.

Surely she knows when she was informed?

Malcolm the committee do not understand what a slurry is but they know what a durry is...

turdbull has put the bad luck on the project

Only the truth will keep Australia a strong and profitable country. Too much money is being corrupted.

According to an ABC video, the instruction manual for the tunnel boring machine suggests that any starting boring is likely to be accompanied by loose ground and to prevent bogging, slurry handling baffles be installed BEFORE the TBM starts drilling. In this case it didn’t happen then the question is: Why didn’t the slurry baffles get installed prophylactically? The most likely answer is that NOBODY bothered to read the manual. That’s gross incompetence for a machine worth up to $200M. Sounds like the team are a bunch of cowboys rather than professionals. In a team of 500+ working on Snowy Hydro Mach II, all collecting salaries of $150,000 and above, nobody could be spared to RTFM. {Read the F….G manual}.

Imagine having Blackout Bowen as your boss? Jenny Macalister is just hopeless & hasn't a clue in what is going on! Blame Malcolm Turnbull for this mess!

Thank you Senator for your work. It's just appalling how Australia is being mismanaged. A great country run by incompetents. There is no reward or glorious outcome for this conduct.

They dont like being interrogated. And the "please refer to the shareholder ministers at the end"... we know what that means too

It costs more money to pump than it would deliver to earn.

Lol...more chaos..no answers..go Sen Roberts👊💥

Thankyou Senator Roberts

Should be canned.

the question was how much is florence worth and the answer is between 100 and 200 million dollars, in other words he has not got a clue.

Senator Roberts (One Nation QLD) is just great at asking all the right questions.

The longer these ministers can drag a project out the more $ they can make.

Of course Malcom Turdbull F’d up.

The engineers knew it would get stuck and what would a tunnel boring engineer know?

How to build a secret deep underground military facility and blame a failed hydro plant.

@carolseidl1971

8 ай бұрын

Probably what is happening.

"Why did you lie ?" "Well, I didn't really lie, I was just overly optimistic "

squirming in its own discharge

The way they prattle to waste time when they don't want to answer or get creative........ 🙄

This line of Q&A moves slower than Florence. The minister in white was talking for a bit of this and I still dont know what she was talking about.

Sounds like they are building the 🌎’s biggest money hole 🕳️ literally

Did he just say it's moved 10 meters since Sept 22 !!!! It's Oct 23 now !!!!

These people should be shown the door, minus pensions and perks.

they need to stop relying on the TONE of the project and CAN ALL these "suspect" renewable power projects (that are not really Renewables ) and invest to Nuclear Power..

No test drilling then.

Can we now refer to this as the floating fortress, vital for the security of airstrip one?

Why Governments should not undertake commercial projects: Exhibit A.

That guy is so casual about being absolutely incompetent, he is rotten.

No cost benefit analysis? There must be one, why isn’t Labour releasing it?

Roberts is the definition of a "deer in the headlights"

The people at this senate estimates meeting should all be ashamed to hold their heads up. Malcolm is one of the few persons there with any integrity . .

Take additional costs out of company bonuses.

Lies, corruption and incompetence. Make people accountable and punitive action taken for any deliberate act or omission to deviate from the truth.

It’s not bogged. It’s parked.

wat school do these politicians go to?, to be able to talk so much and not answer any question

It ok its not their money. No accountability whatsoever.

Funny timing actually…. I have just come from a seminar in which it was quoted that 99.5% of “mega projects” run over budget, over time and fail to deliver on the business case objectives (as in it doesn’t do what it was sold as doing). We know a lot of that is because of government political “brain-farts”… snowy hydro, NBN etc. The current political belief is that “you can’t get elected without a mega project” (olympics and comm games are also in the mix for palachook and comrade andrews fans). The research also says that hydro projects are one of the riskiest (only to olympics in first followed by nuclear projects) with an expected budget over run of 175%. Given Turnbull’s original quote, this one is a record breaker to date, but about to be eclipsed by queensland borumba hydro…. From 2 billion as promised to current forecast of 16 billion without any construction even started.

The whole project needs a feasibility assessment de novo ie back to fundamentals. The people that inherited this mess appear unable to grasp how to proceed. And we are being force marched wily nily to ‘net zero’. Policy lunacy. Administrative incompetence. Welcome to Oztraya.

“ or wether you were lying ? ?” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

They are taking the piss the lot of them. This is all a joke

Not bogged!

Can you remember a government staying on budget with any project in recent years😮No!!!!!

The tax payers money wasted in Australia must be huge. An audit of all tax expenditure on all areas must carried out forthwith. Peter Dutton if you take this an election policy it will be a winner.

He was shacking in his boots

all the state forest torn down for nothing and ,, where dose the buck stop ,,,