Time Is of the Essence… or Is It?

Ғылым және технология

What is time? Isaac Newton described it as absolute, but Einstein proved that time is relative, and, shockingly, that time and space are intricately interwoven. Now recent work in string theory and quantum gravity suggests that space and time may not be fundamental. If this is true, what new picture of reality will emerge?
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Original Program Date: May 31, 2015
Host: Jim Holt
PARTICIPANTS: David Z. Albert, Vijay Balasubramanian, Carlo Rovelli, Lee Smolin
Jim Holt's introduction 00:00
Participant Introductions 02:34
What intellectual changes happened between Newton and Einstein? 04:22
How does simultaneity break down in special relativity? 09:55
Lee's 5 things to know about Special Relativity. 14:50
Does knowing what time is have any practical purpose. 19:28
Why didn't Einstein have the last word on time? 24:15
What is loop quantum theory? 29:46
Albert has different theories that isn't loop theory or string theory. 35:30
VJ metaphor about Love to explain time. 40:49
Lee and Carlo disagree over the reality of time. 42:16
Is time fundamental, and space is emergent? 51:55
Are doing we science or metaphysics? 01:01:45
David disagrees with Lee's viewpoint on time. 01:03:03
VJ and Carlo answers if this is metaphysics or physics. 01:06:23
Carlo's studies with black holes. 01:14:42

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  • @WorldScienceFestival
    @WorldScienceFestival6 жыл бұрын

    Hello, KZreadrs. The World Science Festival is looking for enthusiastic translation ambassadors for its KZread translation project. To get started, all you need is a Google account. Check out Time Is of the Essence… or Is It? to see how the process works: kzread.info_video?v=N-NTXoYTvao&ref=share To create your translation, just type along with the video and save when done. Check out the full list of programs that you can contribute to here: kzread.info_cs_panel?c=UCShHFwKyhcDo3g7hr4f1R8A&tab=2 The World Science Festival strives to cultivate a general public that's informed and awed by science. Thanks to your contributions, we can continue to share the wonder of scientific discoveries with the world.

  • @rajmishra3747

    @rajmishra3747

    5 жыл бұрын

    I am interested in translating the contents into Hindi

  • @muizjilani

    @muizjilani

    5 жыл бұрын

    Time is the Essence of Eternity

  • @ss12363

    @ss12363

    4 жыл бұрын

    Please consider eastern views on topics also.

  • @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    4 жыл бұрын

    do we get paid? I could do portuguese

  • @rayagoldendropofsun397

    @rayagoldendropofsun397

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great idea , please don't translate anything on the mythical Gravity .

  • @NetPwn
    @NetPwn8 жыл бұрын

    By far one of my favorite channels on KZread, thank you!

  • @Damathematician
    @Damathematician8 жыл бұрын

    Such a fantastic talk. This moderator did an above average job of gently steering the conversation and not leaving any of the four experts behind. In addition, I felt everything was clearly explained such that I have the illusion of a deeper understanding.

  • @jameshughes135

    @jameshughes135

    Жыл бұрын

    Well said Eric. Especially the ending. Well said.

  • @mikeyjynx5584

    @mikeyjynx5584

    Жыл бұрын

    That last sentence was probably skipped over by most people, but it has me rethinking everything 🤣🤣

  • @adamsasso1
    @adamsasso13 жыл бұрын

    This amount of participants - 4 and a moderator - seems perfect. Each had the chance to talk and none sat silent too long. I've watched some events like this with more people and it they seem unruly and unnecessarily shallow.

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver8 жыл бұрын

    This talk is so incredibly profound at times, I've watched it 4 times in a row and keep catching better understanding each successive viewing. Terrific upload thanks again

  • @a.randomjack6661

    @a.randomjack6661

    8 жыл бұрын

    Kris Driver Repetition is a key process in learning ; keep it up!

  • @paxdriver

    @paxdriver

    8 жыл бұрын

    A. Randomjack no doubt, it's the only way I can learn :)

  • @paxdriver

    @paxdriver

    8 жыл бұрын

    Felix van Diggelen much, but I've been watching everything I can find on the subject so I'm not a good reference point. That one was really good too but for completely different reasons. Much simpler but it was a tribute to Einstein more than it was a stimulating theoretical discourse

  • @a.randomjack6661

    @a.randomjack6661

    8 жыл бұрын

    Kris Driver Try finding stuff quth Leonard Susskin in it, he made a lecture in which he says he thinks Time is a Fractal Flow" Seems like a nice idea

  • @paxdriver

    @paxdriver

    8 жыл бұрын

    A. Randomjack I've watched a few lectures and talks, I really like him too but I don't find the holographic principles he subscribes to very interesting. There's just not much to think about once the concept is grasped. I can't remember the dude's name but the black guy that's really soft spoken, he found programming language-like logic gates in dna. He doesn't have much in the way of videos or lectures but his research results are cool as hell.

  • @embe1
    @embe18 жыл бұрын

    Just discovered this channel two hours ago, can''t stop watching.

  • @noone-qg1od

    @noone-qg1od

    3 жыл бұрын

    How's the second video going?

  • @ccarson

    @ccarson

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@noone-qg1od I heard he watched for 10 hours straight. Lost his job, wife and kids.

  • @Tom_Quixote
    @Tom_Quixote4 жыл бұрын

    Good clock, bad clock.. that's how you interrogate time bandits.

  • @zumeybear6883

    @zumeybear6883

    2 жыл бұрын

    UNDERATED COMMENT

  • @patrickford9615
    @patrickford96158 жыл бұрын

    Excellent choice of moderator.

  • @ThePlemon

    @ThePlemon

    5 жыл бұрын

    Jim Holt is doing a superb job

  • @julskechap

    @julskechap

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah he did well on this one

  • @lauriejean9306

    @lauriejean9306

    5 жыл бұрын

    But why did he tell the one non-white person his idea, which may not be obviously relevant in white cultures, is meretricious?! So rude. In South Asian cultures (and to my mind, having grown up in a white culture), this metaphor has much value!

  • @garybalatennis

    @garybalatennis

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check out Jim Holt’s book “Why Does the World Exist.” Superb. Clear thinker, crisp writer.

  • @GabrielaCambero
    @GabrielaCambero4 жыл бұрын

    Carlo is so convincing! This video took me to his conferences and his books, I’m so sold on his loop quantum gravity 👌🏼

  • @beefcurtainz69
    @beefcurtainz695 жыл бұрын

    Even though the moving clocks number on top is lower, for me watching the clocks the same amount of time is going by though. I can watch two clocks differ but the exact same time has passed for me witnessing both clocks. This is crazy stuff

  • @random55912
    @random559128 жыл бұрын

    Watching these makes me feel like making up for not having been to higher education. Great talk and topic

  • @JohnMartinJrJazz
    @JohnMartinJrJazz8 жыл бұрын

    Big fan of Jim Holt, did a great job moderating this amazing discussion

  • @ze_chooch
    @ze_chooch8 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, World Science Festival, for the new moderator. He is a great fit.

  • @amiraslkhalili5638
    @amiraslkhalili5638 Жыл бұрын

    I liked the sentence , from Lee , saying the laws of nature evolve ! What a sentence to think about after reading my compendiums in physics

  • @mikkel715

    @mikkel715

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree! Lee is a deep thinker..

  • @kaarlimakela3413
    @kaarlimakela34134 жыл бұрын

    When my loved ones, through time, passed away, I definitely WAS consoled by knowing that whatever has happened will always exist ... we are all still there/then ...

  • @nmart1n

    @nmart1n

    2 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful ❤️

  • @kelly2fly
    @kelly2fly4 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate VJ's visual explanations of time.

  • @3dgar7eandro
    @3dgar7eandro10 ай бұрын

    51:15 this guy is really going pleases... He truly convinced me that time is fundamentally linked to the fabric of the universe...🤯👏👌

  • @realmusic1421
    @realmusic14212 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed this video. Thank you to the wonderful panel. Keep producing excellent videos like this!

  • @waizwaidarenosa9032
    @waizwaidarenosa90324 жыл бұрын

    Time is only the rate at which change occurs, of itself it has no substance and therefore not subject to physical laws. This discussion is absolutely nonsensical.

  • @peaveawwii1
    @peaveawwii16 жыл бұрын

    This is a great channel. They stimulate my mind. All Americans should watch this kind of stuff, and forget reality television and game shows

  • @jschaves765
    @jschaves7658 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for the upload! Time is something that we got to discuss more and more. I think that's the way we gonna evolve our theories and perhaps finally unite them! Because , in the end everything must be connected somehow. But we can't be really sure. And that's amazing! Cheers!

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram3 жыл бұрын

    This was a very good session - thanks guys!

  • @RussellCatchpole
    @RussellCatchpole Жыл бұрын

    Wow what a discussion! I love the final concept right at the end from Vijay, that he doesn't like having 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time .. 2 of space and 2 of time would be much more sensible 🤯

  • @tongmaa
    @tongmaa5 жыл бұрын

    "Time" is equivalent to a micrometer, a centimeter, a kilometer, a mile ... like a tape measure, it counts the the lightyears and the parsecs of distance. It counts the duration that some process takes. It is even an abstract tool of statistics. But, "Time" cannot be reified into a material object, and like the set of numbers, is merely an abstract tool of measurement, and to assist our understanding of the actual material universe we exist *Now* in, until our purpose here in life is "noted" as fulfilled.

  • @artisticwhistleblower1756
    @artisticwhistleblower17566 жыл бұрын

    This is THE BEST KZread channel. 👍

  • @TheBomeara
    @TheBomeara8 жыл бұрын

    World Science Festival makes my day, everyday.

  • @elfootman
    @elfootman5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the time stamps!

  • @dakotadad8835
    @dakotadad88354 жыл бұрын

    So glad I stumbled onto this channel, it’s quite informational and amazing. Love all the smart minds coming together and debating rationally (for the most part haha)

  • @MalteKo79
    @MalteKo798 жыл бұрын

    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

  • @SnakesRaven

    @SnakesRaven

    5 жыл бұрын

    Please give M. Koch a nobel prize. It's the first time I actually understood something.

  • @SpydersByte

    @SpydersByte

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@SnakesRaven you might want to watch Dr. Who then, that's where the quote came from :D

  • @randomdude189

    @randomdude189

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well said. It’s in the way that the timey-wimey coalesces the wibbly as a physical expression of the wobbly shaking stuff. But yeah I feel like time is the space containing space. The 4th dimension is a final cumulative computation of infinite third dimension probability executed...

  • @mn-ru4li

    @mn-ru4li

    4 жыл бұрын

    Doctor Who, peeps.

  • @SilverMe2004

    @SilverMe2004

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes but the question here is, Does time cause the progression or does the progression cause time?

  • @LoveAndPeaceOccurs
    @LoveAndPeaceOccurs5 жыл бұрын

    Love as an emergent phenomenon ... as is time ... now that is a notion I can get into!

  • @LoveAndPeaceOccurs
    @LoveAndPeaceOccurs5 жыл бұрын

    Om my ...this is the first time I've seen anyone make it clear why there is a difference in moving time (recorded) of the speed of light ... wow Thank You.

  • @MrAkashvj96
    @MrAkashvj966 жыл бұрын

    I think this, along with the limits of our understanding debate, is my favourite video. Prof. David Albert is such an eloquent speaker.

  • @ericgraham8150
    @ericgraham81504 жыл бұрын

    I know this is an older video, but man, it's still one of the best WSF videos. What an amazing conversation to be able to witness among such great thinkers.

  • @ScarletStump

    @ScarletStump

    2 жыл бұрын

    Some might say it's timeless 😎

  • @claytonmoore6435

    @claytonmoore6435

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ScarletStump Oh, when would they say that? Answer: Always. Or maybe sometimes they always would and other times which might be often, they often wouldn't.

  • @user-se2xm5yp6u

    @user-se2xm5yp6u

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@claytonmoore6435well.... if they had the time, maybe they would sometime

  • @deflekt
    @deflekt2 жыл бұрын

    ive been watching this over and over, so much info !!!!!! THANKS!!!

  • @HughFromAlice
    @HughFromAlice8 жыл бұрын

    One of the V best WSF talks. Challenging, profound, the concepts well explained but above all - despite the different views - respectful and constructive. WSF guys PLEASE reconvene this panel & moderator for a part 2 next year! Loved it. ...Hᴜɢʜ….ツ

  • @erikziak1249
    @erikziak12498 жыл бұрын

    1. Watches video. 2. More questions emerge than answers found in this video. 3. Finds problems formulating those questions. 4. Writes useless comment. 5. Profit?

  • @henrikjensen3340

    @henrikjensen3340

    8 жыл бұрын

    Useless comment...

  • @astronomianova1

    @astronomianova1

    8 жыл бұрын

    Erik Žiak You lost it in step 4.

  • @kurtbartley2965

    @kurtbartley2965

    7 жыл бұрын

    time is a two dimensional measure of a multi dimensional animal at large called CHANGE...,,! duh...change has an arrow, time does not, as math is analogy, which is the most slippery form of logic.....'heinlic'

  • @kzeich

    @kzeich

    3 жыл бұрын

    Now I know a bit about Eric Ziak. More information more entropy. All we gotta do, old chap is increase entropy. You helped. Now I'm gonna get loaded and watch Always Sunny. You know, cuz I got it all figured out.

  • @brunoborma
    @brunoborma3 жыл бұрын

    When no one was observing...how much time did it take for time to pass until the first living oberver came about ? Note that this question brings into focus the problem of how the nature of time depends on an observer...and what is an observer...what is life...is time really a measurable parameter ? I love that question !

  • @Congruesome

    @Congruesome

    2 жыл бұрын

    It has to be measured against another reference frame.

  • @brunoborma

    @brunoborma

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Congruesome how much time does it take for 5 billion years to pass when no one is there to measure it against a reference frame ?

  • @Congruesome

    @Congruesome

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@brunoborma 15 min. from the reference frame of a person skinning the event horizon golf a black hole.

  • @c.s.6969

    @c.s.6969

    2 жыл бұрын

    funny , time starts most of the time for the observer at age of 4 , 5y old ... So time doesn't exist for 4, 5 years !? 👀

  • @brunoborma

    @brunoborma

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@c.s.6969 haha I found it brilliant. It is true somehow. It is as if you at some point have awakened, and the time that have passed never really happened, as a faint memory. As if you gained knowledge about things and the memories from someone else. It is not suden of course, but gradual. It is the proccess that Jung called individuation. Tou become someone. And in some point of your life it can happen again, as if you were reborn.

  • @PlebstersPictionary
    @PlebstersPictionary7 жыл бұрын

    40:44 Oh my, haha! Can't believe none of the audience picked up on that one lol

  • @ReportsOnChina

    @ReportsOnChina

    4 жыл бұрын

    George Gilmore You’re so smart.

  • @djordjekojicic
    @djordjekojicic8 жыл бұрын

    Vijay is fantastic! Such simple and effective explanations and examples,

  • @Apollyon-sz9sn
    @Apollyon-sz9sn5 жыл бұрын

    Just because a high altitude clock is slower it doesn't mean that time is slower just the mechanical operation is slower, time doesnt need clock to govern it as time is not a mechanical operation. Time is abstract.

  • @baddust

    @baddust

    4 жыл бұрын

    By abstract do you mean that time is not physical?

  • @bnb7094
    @bnb70945 жыл бұрын

    Such a complicated discussion on a very simple subject. TIME is just the way we measure the length of an event. It is the event that matters and needs to be measured in every way to see its value. There is no such thing as nothing. The cycle of existence and life is wall we are realy defining. Design denotes that an intelligence was involved. Those intelligences were mostly involuntary and some voluntary when it evolved. Existing is involuntary and living is voluntary. We know something is true when we can make it work in our life and create it for ourselves. When we can manipulate and create something we then know we are right.

  • @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    4 жыл бұрын

    If its so simple, than were did time (or the passage of an event) come from? what came before the big bang? was there anything before it? How come time (or the passage of events) interact the way it does with gravity? If you answer this and still call this a simple subject please do write a comment and an article about it, the science community would love the correct answers for these questions.

  • @bnb7094

    @bnb7094

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all The reason I see it as simple is because I see everything in the universe existing within a cycle. There are only so many steps in a cycle. So it makes it easy to understand and wrap my head around as long as I keep in mind these steps. Once you understand how something works it is then just a matter of implementing it into your own life to confirm it as knowledge. Knowledge is not information or data or even memory. Knowledge is the intergration of information into your life. A cycle can be seen to have a beginning and end yet be eternal. A tree can be planted to live a long time then die but its offspring lives on forever as long as the conditions that allow them to live exist. All the steps are here. Just boil them down to their basic concepts and apply them to everything else in the universe to understand everything. It is that simple. -Everything exists in a cycle -There must always be a medium to exist upon in order to function as it does. -Energy becomes matter and matter becomes energy either through design or destruction. Therefore energy is the universal-medium. 96% of our universe is un-seen energies we call space. 4% is the matter we see and know. Energy is the majority and matter is the minority. -The laws that govern matter also govern energy because energy and matter are two sides of the same coin. They are interchangeable. I think of them as different densities and designs of the same material-energy. So to look at the concept of the big bang is to ask where did it come from and where will it go to? Well if there was an exhale then there must be an inhale to the universe. Displacement is a major law governing our universe. Just keep in mind saturation as well. Energies become displaced by denser energies and/or matter. Yet they also saturate into them where they can. If you want to see the air look at the things that interact with the air. If you want to see gravity look at the water and the shape of the planets and galaxies. -Everything exists in a state of harmonic-vibration. Vibrations that are out of synchronization are displaced vibrations pushing against each other. This displacement pushes everything together until a harmony is achieved and a shape is formed. This is why everything is shaped as it is in the universe. Maping and tracking all the different energies and their frequencies should be achieved so we can create and manipulate them to our needs. Much has been done, but under different titles of science, to define the different frequencies of energy and matter. When we connect these seemingly separate things is when we will truly understand and be able to manipulate and create anything we can think of.

  • @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bnb7094 i agree with you 100% on this. Wow, you're really smart! I love the vibrations part, I see reality the same way you do. But I still can't wrap my head around how anything exists at all. Where did existence start and from what? How could there me anything prior to the absolute beginning? Any ideas on that? And thanks to the well written response, I'm on my cellphone, latter on I'll make a better reply! :)

  • @bnb7094

    @bnb7094

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all Change is an eternal constant. There is no beginning nor end only change. Energy cannot become nothing because there is no such thing as nothing. When something is destroyed it merely changes into another form of energy. We come from energy. We need energy to exist and live. When we die we return to a natural state of energy again. This body is just a vehicle for our mind. Our consciousness existed before this life and when we changed into this physical form we left our old life, we died to be born into this life. Death and birth are the same because they are simply a change from one state to another. The major difference is whether or not we remain conscious, meaning keep our voluntary intelligence intact or not. We have two sides to make us whole, our involuntary intelligence and our voluntary intelligence.

  • @frankblack1185
    @frankblack11854 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant. Thanks to all the scientists who attended . . . 🔬

  • @life42theuniverse
    @life42theuniverse5 жыл бұрын

    8:00 He gave me a great idea for a comic of a clock.

  • @jonsonator3576
    @jonsonator35766 жыл бұрын

    So far Davit Albert is the one among all (in all SF videos) that has the most profound explanations of time.

  • @MrVikingsandra
    @MrVikingsandra Жыл бұрын

    I like how clear Carlo and Vijay are. I read Carlo's book about time and it was a great read, highly recommended , it's called The Order of Time 👍

  • @timeisapathwalkingtounderstand
    @timeisapathwalkingtounderstand6 жыл бұрын

    Love the video Thank you for posting it

  • @08wolfeyes
    @08wolfeyes6 жыл бұрын

    I wonder, is it possible that gravity has an effect on the motion of the atom in the atomic clock rather than on time its self? If so then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that gravity may not in fact change time, only the motion of the device mesuring it?

  • @Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time

    @Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time

    5 жыл бұрын

    This is an invitation to see a theory on the nature of time! In this theory we have an emergent uncertain future continuously coming into existence relative to the spontaneous absorption and emission of photon energy. Within such a process the wave particle duality of light and matter in the form of electrons is forming a blank canvas that we can interact with forming the possible into the actual! The future is unfolding with each photon electron coupling or dipole moment relative to the atoms of the periodic table and the individual wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. As part of a universal process of energy exchange that forms the ever changing world of our everyday life the ‘past’ has gone forever. At the smallest scale of this process the ‘past’ is represented by anti-matter annihilation with the symmetry between matter and anti-matter representing the symmetry between the future and the past as the future unfolds photon by photon. In such a theory the mathematics of quantum mechanics represents the physics of ‘time’ with the classical physics of Newton representing processes over a period of time, as in Newton’s differential equations. In my videos I explain how this process is relative to temperature and the phase changes of matter.

  • @BrianFedirko

    @BrianFedirko

    2 жыл бұрын

    No, gravity has nothing to do with it. That's why/how this thought experiment shows that. I questioned this exact same premise for decades when I was young, but real experiments and thought experiments such as this one have proven other. 🙂

  • @zweisteinya

    @zweisteinya

    2 жыл бұрын

    Time and motion are inseparable.

  • @bobaldo2339
    @bobaldo23394 жыл бұрын

    A thought I had which seems fun to me anyway: The progression (direction) of events, and of time itself may be very different. That is, although events seem to follow one after the other (moving toward the future, because of the Big Bang), the "time" for them to take place in is unfolding (flowing) from the future through the present and into the past. Picture a reel to reel tape recorder. The unrecorded tape (future) passes through the record head (present) and onto the take-up reel (the past - history). Time in itself may well "move" in such a manner, if it can be said to move at all.

  • @sirfranciscanadianbacon1468

    @sirfranciscanadianbacon1468

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds a bit too predeterministic

  • @bobaldo2339

    @bobaldo2339

    Жыл бұрын

    . There is nothing "predeterministic" about a blank tape.

  • @vitriolicAmaranth

    @vitriolicAmaranth

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't think it has a solid physical basis but it is fun, in a Discordian way, to think about the fact that uncertainty only applies to future events (assuming a perfect, omnipresent observer), implying that if causality follows a logical basis (ie it is solvable, and has only one solution, which is usually implicit in physical models), causality DOES flow from future to past and not vice versa. At least the way we are hardwired (or possibly indoctrinated) to think, the present state can only imply one possible past if one has all the facts but any number of futures, which is why we can remember the past and can't remember the future (many futures might potentially root a single present, but any given present can only root a single past).

  • @MarkoTManninen
    @MarkoTManninen4 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic panel. Speakers got deep into the marvelous topic of time. Much deeper than "the clock of the photon" repeated by many other videos, which makes no sense, even not in unintuitive sense.

  • @mturnbull78
    @mturnbull784 жыл бұрын

    Great debate. Wish the BBC had such brilliant DEBATES!

  • @DavidEWays
    @DavidEWays8 жыл бұрын

    Given:The furthermost distance (back in spacetime) that we see in the observable universe, is “Cosmic Microwave Background” (plasma energy) evenly distributed all around us, and the spacetime separation (chasm) between the observable universe and Cosmic Background is increasing. Premise_1: Cosmic Background is a sphere that encompasses all space, time, energy and matter, and earth is at the center. Premise_2: The observable universe originated with and at Cosmic Background. Premise_3: Everything within the observable universe is “falling away” from (within) Cosmic Background, forever compressing within the gravity well at the centroid of all matter, toward complete separation and “utter darkness”. Hypothesis: Time is space, in the form of gravity bubbles, that are displaced (flowing-out) from within all matter, into the growing chasm between the furthest extent of the observable universe and Cosmic Background, as a consequence of "falling away".

  • @DavidEWays

    @DavidEWays

    8 жыл бұрын

    David E. Ways "Atoms Implosion"

  • @JohnDlugosz

    @JohnDlugosz

    8 жыл бұрын

    David E. Ways The CMB was produced half a million years after the big bang, and is not the "farthest". (P2 fails) it is not a shell around us but is everywhere: the photon that just hit the detector is *here*, and yesterday was past Pluto. There is no center. we always seem to be the center of our own horizon, no matter where we are. (P1 fails) There is no center nor centroid of mass (P3 fails)

  • @DavidEWays

    @DavidEWays

    8 жыл бұрын

    John Długosz Hi. Given: “Observable Universe” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe www.tubechop.com/watch/6670875 Premise_1: Sphere of Observable Universe www.tubechop.com/watch/6670926 Premise_2: Origin of Observable Universe www.tubechop.com/watch/6670801 Premise_3: Centroid of Observable Universe www.tubechop.com/watch/6671020 Hypothesis: Time is displaced Space from within all Matter to the extent of the Observable Universe www.tubechop.com/watch/6671055

  • @DavidEWays

    @DavidEWays

    8 жыл бұрын

    David E. Ways Space & Time (SpaceTime) is emerging from within all matter at the quantum scale, as everything is imploding along a vector pointing toward the Centroid (abyss) of the Observable Universe, and Gravity is the effect that spiral curvilinear motion of SpaceTime has on matter as it flows into the Chasm separating all matter from the Cosmic Background.

  • @JohnDlugosz

    @JohnDlugosz

    8 жыл бұрын

    huh? Invite you to Physics Stack Exchange.

  • @dcfromthev
    @dcfromthev7 жыл бұрын

    The light clock experiment is excellent! (around 14:00) Easily the best experimental approach I've ever seen for showing the observational relationship between light and space-time. Doesn't get much simpler than that,. Genius!

  • @TheBigBMoss

    @TheBigBMoss

    Жыл бұрын

    My gripe is that it seems over-simplified... Almost to an assumptive fault

  • @ketchup5344
    @ketchup53443 жыл бұрын

    You get x amount of time in this body. Let x be full of joy and gratitude. Dont be ruled by the ego. The ego is not real. Love is.

  • @chris432t6
    @chris432t62 жыл бұрын

    One of the speakers talked about a loss of information as you approach a black hole and It brings to mind a moon documentary I saw years ago where a NASA scientist was saying they had lost the information to get us back to the moon which still puzzles me.

  • @vitriolicAmaranth
    @vitriolicAmaranth Жыл бұрын

    "His deadlines are an illusion" made me guffaw

  • @susangaskill1980
    @susangaskill19804 жыл бұрын

    Very profound and thought provoking! Thank you all for all of your dedication and for sharing with the world.

  • @trinajska
    @trinajska8 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks WSF you are the best!

  • @curiosityxx
    @curiosityxx Жыл бұрын

    You could say, time well spent watching this

  • @michael4506
    @michael45067 жыл бұрын

    Question - if time slows as we approach the speed of light, is a particle moving at the speed of light (photon) timeless? Meaning time is "stopped" or in other words, is non existent for this particle. If there is no time for the light speed energy particles that make up our universe then its as if they are everywhere instantly as time does not pass for them. Space then does not exist to a light speed particle as we know it and movement in everyday terms is not existent. Is this the wave-like behavior we see in quantum experiments like double slit or account for the odd "spooky action at a distance." What does physics say about the time properties of a particle actually moving at the speed of light ??

  • @justinnitsuj7041

    @justinnitsuj7041

    7 жыл бұрын

    No it does not. Note that just the same as time "slows" length contracts. Using your logic this mean length (distance) is non existent for the particle. Of course this makes no sense, the math agrees as does reasoning. time "slows and length contracts infinitely so as one approaches c, however c is not an attainable speed. for particles traveling c such a concept of time and length is nonsensical, as such things as a clock or ruler are massive objects. Whats more note that we cannot "See" things moving at c....kind of a neat concept. tl:dr generally the reply is that question makes no sense.

  • @michael4506

    @michael4506

    7 жыл бұрын

    Tracey Gresham thanks Tracey. I have looked deeper into this since asking the question and was shocked to find that my intuition as a non physicist was correct. If you like I can reference journals on the topic. They are dense, there are some KZread videos which are more accessible. Search it! Time and space does not exists for light speed particles and in fact, the stage we know as space-time emerges for particles and matter that falls below the speed of light. So our world is just an emergent condition existing below the surface of timeless space less particles. Keep in mind that speed - including light speed is not an absolute condition. Meaning speed only exists in the universe when measuring movement of one object relative to the other. All particles moving at the speed of light actually have no speed relative to each other. Are still. Light particles only appear to be moving very fast relative to us - slow massive complex matter. Makes sense in the framework of general relativity, it's all relative. The implications are odd.

  • @justinnitsuj7041

    @justinnitsuj7041

    7 жыл бұрын

    ***** fancy that, All I merely did was tell him exactly that he found out....less this craziness that spacetime is an emergent property of "particles" (what the hell else can be measured? with that reasoning, simply every thing is "emergent" from particles) Perhaps the next leg of the trip is regarding particles, matter, mass/energy and waves...cause "So our world is just an emergent condition existing below the surface of timeless space less particles." doesn't say anything...such as passing of time, length for a MASSLESS "thing" is nonsense to said thing.

  • @moniqueburchell1488

    @moniqueburchell1488

    6 жыл бұрын

    How beautifully you answered your own question!

  • @mikethek5494

    @mikethek5494

    6 жыл бұрын

    Time dilation is only from the point of view of an observer. An observer looking at a traveler, who is approaching the speed of light, sees the traveler as slowing down; the high speed traveler thinks her time is normal, but sees the observer as speeding up.

  • @pb4520
    @pb45205 жыл бұрын

    Smolin is the greatest thinker among them. I love Smolin. Thanks for this!

  • @baddust

    @baddust

    4 жыл бұрын

    I differ. I think Smolin is the weakest of the four. Carlo is above Smolin because,at least, he views time as not being physical . David Albert and Vijay B. are both at the top of the heap regarding insights into time.

  • @Dr10Jeeps
    @Dr10Jeeps4 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely fascinating discussion of the nature of time. What a joy it is to watch science programs like this versus the myriad of garbage that plays out on the internet.

  • @happybubblemanfan
    @happybubblemanfan2 жыл бұрын

    Well I could have used this 4 1/2 years ago for my college paper on theories of time.

  • @manuelbolivar9791
    @manuelbolivar97916 жыл бұрын

    Presenter: Jim Holt Panelists: Lee Smolin, CArlo Rovelli, Vijay Balasubramanian, David Albert

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver8 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful upload! Thanks you

  • @deflekt
    @deflekt4 жыл бұрын

    that intro was TOP NOTCH !!!!!!

  • @Ash-so2sr
    @Ash-so2sr2 жыл бұрын

    58:28 I've always thought this, we don't access time, matter moves and changes that's all. Things change in space. Time is just a snapshot we take of a specific still movement but the world never stops. Movement is eternal.

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver8 жыл бұрын

    Man I could listen to Lee for hours

  • @Les537

    @Les537

    8 жыл бұрын

    Kris Driver Yeah. He's hard to watch though. His waving hand hypnotized me.

  • @paxdriver

    @paxdriver

    8 жыл бұрын

    Lol totally

  • @Oners82

    @Oners82

    8 жыл бұрын

    Kris Driver He'd be ok if you tied his hands to the chair lol!

  • @paxdriver

    @paxdriver

    8 жыл бұрын

    Oners82 I don't know, that might just make him twitch and shake which would be pretty funny but way more of a distraction lol thinking of 'Ernest Goes to Jail' electric chair scene

  • @Oners82

    @Oners82

    8 жыл бұрын

    Kris Driver Lol.

  • @NewMessage
    @NewMessage4 жыл бұрын

    Somebody needs to make a dubstep that plays to the beat of Lee's hand movement.

  • @Somerandomnamex

    @Somerandomnamex

    3 жыл бұрын

    It was getting hard too even pay attention to what he was saying 🤣

  • @alpetkiewicz6805
    @alpetkiewicz68055 жыл бұрын

    A great discussion!! Awesome! ❤❤❤

  • @tammyhawkins4440
    @tammyhawkins44405 жыл бұрын

    Time is a representation of rhythmic oscillating occurrences without which no indication of dimensionalism could ever exist anywhere in our Universe for life as we know it.

  • @xeliker
    @xeliker8 жыл бұрын

    when you forget you are eternal you need time to remember

  • @tsgillespiejr
    @tsgillespiejr5 жыл бұрын

    Time is an abstraction, isn't it? Things move; that's real.

  • @tree4364

    @tree4364

    Жыл бұрын

    Dude… yes…

  • @reimannx33

    @reimannx33

    Жыл бұрын

    Bur the concept of movement has time built in it. You are now entangled in time - spooky.

  • @singingelephants5597

    @singingelephants5597

    Жыл бұрын

    Nah, movement is an illusion we are all strange 4d people snakes

  • @tsgillespiejr

    @tsgillespiejr

    Жыл бұрын

    @@singingelephants5597 Nah, snakes are an illusion. They're all just 8d baked beans.

  • @DajesOfficial

    @DajesOfficial

    Жыл бұрын

    Movement is an abstraction as well as things and time. Reality is the only thing that is real.

  • @superstrada6847
    @superstrada68472 жыл бұрын

    I will never waste time again (if it exists). Great, great. WSF.

  • @IAmAStreamerToo
    @IAmAStreamerToo5 жыл бұрын

    I can't help but also think of the "moving clock" as the one that is not moving and EVERYTHING else as the thing that is moving.

  • @kaczan3
    @kaczan37 жыл бұрын

    What is time? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.

  • @The22on

    @The22on

    7 жыл бұрын

  • @TruthMongerTM
    @TruthMongerTM8 жыл бұрын

    I love this this stuff.

  • @heaven4247

    @heaven4247

    3 жыл бұрын

    You were brain was affected by gamma rays and now you're a genius.

  • @stueyanderton
    @stueyanderton5 жыл бұрын

    I think of time as I think of voltage; in that the application of a voltage allows a current to flow, so too does the application of time allow entropy to flow. We have learnt to control potential difference, we will eventually learn to control time.

  • @baddust

    @baddust

    4 жыл бұрын

    Voltage "CAUSES" current to flow. Entropy is a mental concept and so is time. Controlling time as if it were a physical thing is nonsense.

  • @wilbertpierce4890
    @wilbertpierce48902 жыл бұрын

    Time is common ground for people to interact with others.For synchronization. A concept.

  • @bredmond812
    @bredmond8128 жыл бұрын

    While I was watching this video, I felt very angry. I wondered why all of these scientists are using the word "dynamical" so much. Watch the video again. They say that word many times. It made me really upset because I believed that it was not a word, and that the proper word was "dynamic“. But then I looked it up and found that actually "dynamical" is really a word. Say nothing of the reality of time and space, today I learned that dynamical is really a word.

  • @daphne4983

    @daphne4983

    7 жыл бұрын

    LOL

  • @DaveWhoa

    @DaveWhoa

    7 жыл бұрын

    www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dynamic dynamic: "of or relating to energy, motion or physical force" dynamical: "of or relating to physical force or energy" Ok that didn't clear things up much ...

  • @bredmond812

    @bredmond812

    7 жыл бұрын

    Way back when I actually looked it up, the impression was dynamical was something you could use to describe maybe a model or a system, where as dynamic would describe an object or thing itself. Something like that anyway.

  • @Qugyuk

    @Qugyuk

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well, it's been a year. Have you reached the point where people using words you don't think exist ceased to make you angry?

  • @tedl7538

    @tedl7538

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hey buddy, you better be right that "ceased" is a word, or I'm gonna......!!!!!!!!!!! :-0

  • @dangerwil8526
    @dangerwil85267 жыл бұрын

    My dog knows when its time for his walk.

  • @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    @and_I_am_Life_the_fixer_of_all

    4 жыл бұрын

    did you ask him where did the universe come from?

  • @WilliamLetzkus
    @WilliamLetzkus7 жыл бұрын

    This is a fascinating topic....I have studied the philosophy of C. S. Peirce, and Lee Smolin's notion of time as fundamental rather than emergent is in concord with Peirce's theory of evolutionary love, or Agapasm. The laws of nature are dynamic, and move toward a more ordered universe as does our understanding of these laws.

  • @Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time

    @Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time

    5 жыл бұрын

    This is an invitation to see a theory on the nature of time! In this theory we have an emergent uncertain future continuously coming into existence relative to the spontaneous absorption and emission of photon energy. Within such a process the wave particle duality of light and matter in the form of electrons is forming a blank canvas that we can interact with forming the possible into the actual! The future is unfolding with each photon electron coupling or dipole moment relative to the atoms of the periodic table and the individual wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. As part of a universal process of energy exchange that forms the ever changing world of our everyday life the ‘past’ has gone forever. At the smallest scale of this process the ‘past’ is represented by anti-matter annihilation with the symmetry between matter and anti-matter representing the symmetry between the future and the past as the future unfolds photon by photon. In such a theory the mathematics of quantum mechanics represents the physics of ‘time’ with the classical physics of Newton representing processes over a period of time, as in Newton’s differential equations. In my videos I explain how this process is relative to temperature and the phase changes of matter.

  • @georgejones6781
    @georgejones67816 ай бұрын

    To pull it into the subject of time we only have it for a way to measure past and present using now as a reference point. Through out the past one would count the things there repetitive in rhythm

  • @jasonhollister7497
    @jasonhollister74977 жыл бұрын

    Time is ALL WAS IN MOCHION MOVING" FOURWOURD" !!

  • @jasonhollister7497

    @jasonhollister7497

    7 жыл бұрын

    "Tick Tock ^ Tick Tock "

  • @TheXitone

    @TheXitone

    7 жыл бұрын

    WHAT?

  • @erictko85

    @erictko85

    5 жыл бұрын

    Jason Hollister YES

  • @mshioty
    @mshioty4 жыл бұрын

    I love wasting time on youtube

  • @krisniemczuk3452
    @krisniemczuk34523 жыл бұрын

    14:22 - I've been trying to understand this for quite a while. In my opinion, the moving clock does not run slower and the time does not change its speed. You just extended the path for that photon. The distance it has to cover became greater but that in no way changed the speed of time. Can anybody explain where I got this wrong?

  • @stupidas9466

    @stupidas9466

    2 жыл бұрын

    The key thing you seem to be missing (and rightly so because so often when speaking our language is never concise) is "the moving clock runs slower…" really means "…the moving clock runs slower RELATIVE to a non moving clock when measured or perceived at two discreet moments in time analogous to each other…". Time does not speed up or slow down, as time in and of itself is not a thing per se (ps forgive my double use of "itself" and "per se" as it is intrinsic to my being at this time).

  • @robertflynn6686
    @robertflynn66863 жыл бұрын

    Towards the end point of your discussions Lee. SMOLIN said the process underlying time is important. So I agree with Lee. The process dynamics is instantaneous everywhere(spooky action beyond light ) before light speed exists at all . The wave crest of the action of the process in light. is always moving in spacetime. v= c.

  • @danielsayre3385

    @danielsayre3385

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey cool comment, could you expand a little on the last bit? "The wave crest of the action of the process in light. is always moving in spacetime". Also have you heard of the proposed tachyonic field? tachyons are a hypothetical "particle" that travel faster than light in a vacuum and gain speed by losing energy... they supposedly move faster than light enough that they are either instantaneous or even moving "backwards in time". Many scientists don't support tachyons anymore

  • @Essentia-Channel
    @Essentia-Channel8 жыл бұрын

    What is with Lee Smolin's hand? Probably the most distracting, meaningless and detrimental gesturing I've ever seen from a person. His poor verbal enunciation is hard enough to follow, and with the non-stop bouncing hand I have to hide the browser window to understand him. Somebody needs to talk to him about this.

  • @BarryKort

    @BarryKort

    6 жыл бұрын

    His hand motions are actually a clock. If you watch closely, each phoneme that he utters is synchronized to one quantum movement of his hand.

  • @CosmosMarinerDU

    @CosmosMarinerDU

    6 жыл бұрын

    So glad to know I'm not alone. Like Accidentally Entertaining I had to restart his segments and close my eyes to listen to him. "Barry Kort" is on to something - his right brain is involved somehow, crosstalk with word retrieval triggering his left hand. (I believe abstract words are stored in the right brain and concrete ones on the left.) But, of course, he's quite brilliant.

  • @user-cn4qb7nr2m

    @user-cn4qb7nr2m

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh, great! How kind of you to point that out! Have you already wrote a comment about Hawking`s posture below each of his vid, or somth?

  • @lewleo999

    @lewleo999

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh, hi! I'm not allone. Where is my complimentary "Less hand salad" T-shirt?

  • @symmetrie_bruch
    @symmetrie_bruch7 жыл бұрын

    it´s hard to listen to lee he sounds half drunk half asleep and speaks terribly monotone

  • @Robocop-qe7le

    @Robocop-qe7le

    7 жыл бұрын

    I like the way he speaks he's got a soothing voice.

  • @jimtaggert42

    @jimtaggert42

    5 жыл бұрын

    do not dis Trump or you will be smashed!!!!

  • @a-a-ronmayers8005
    @a-a-ronmayers80054 жыл бұрын

    What if you don't think of time as a constant? The passage of time changes the father from ground you get, my thought just now was this, "it is a form of measure, need to expand that measure the further from the point of the one observing/measuring/pondering what's next. Same with looking smaller I believe." What does that "idea" look like mathematically for the expansion of "our" universe?

  • @garshdarnitibelieve8260
    @garshdarnitibelieve82604 жыл бұрын

    ok...help me understand an experience I had. I took a day trip to LA from Denver for a meeting. I set my watch with the clock at the gate in Denver. I did not set it for LA time when I landed. I get back to Denver at the same gate I left from and noticed my watch was showing the same time as the gate clock. If time moves slower when moving as mentioned in this lecture why did my watch and the gate clock register the exact same time even after I traveled?

  • @kellymantei7465
    @kellymantei74654 жыл бұрын

    Could a spinning universe explain the expansion, and changes in rotational momentum change the speed of expansion.

  • @LogicalBelief
    @LogicalBelief8 жыл бұрын

    Consciousness observation leads to wave function collapse and wave function collapse leads to consciousness. This oscillation is what creates a sense of time. It is a rigid interaction, there is no "speed of time" or "separate" time. It's just the number of collapses versus a particular state of the universe.

  • @ralphsammis7330
    @ralphsammis73302 жыл бұрын

    I hypothesize that time is a delay, a predicament of our universe. It is a minute delay is not a constant. It occurs over and over allowing everything that has ever happened. An example of a thing unaffected by this delay is “ strange action at a distance” or simultaneity. With a camera, you may capture this recurring (repeated) delay via a “time exposure”.

  • @Alexander.s.arreola
    @Alexander.s.arreola3 жыл бұрын

    I love this channel! Keep it up!

  • @ashkanxiaoray
    @ashkanxiaoray5 жыл бұрын

    the second guest definitely wanted to be a sports instructor without a doubt. down and up.

  • @HectorGanzon
    @HectorGanzon3 жыл бұрын

    @45:58 Realtalk! The power of curiosity, and to take imagination from an idea that is less popular was the foundations of the Physics we have today. And yet more people forget to think and accept some unconventional possibilities. Think Outside The Box.👍

  • @booJay
    @booJay10 ай бұрын

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but was what Lee Smolin described at 1:06:09 compatible with a growing block universe? Or is that something he would be dismissive of as well?

  • @travisfitzwater8093
    @travisfitzwater80932 жыл бұрын

    For all practical purposes whenever necessary time merges so I wouldn't get too excited about it yes there are different times but whenever you show up it can merge and will merge so that's time time see what's become of me as I take a look around at my possibilities.

  • @manuelmanuel9248
    @manuelmanuel92483 жыл бұрын

    So time is our perception of the following of an effect from a cause including the physical effects of entropy? This would mean that time does not exist separately from matter. It is just a perception of our limited brains?

  • @timothyarmstrong5987
    @timothyarmstrong59872 жыл бұрын

    Which speaker used more time. The faster speaker or the slower speaker? Also which clock is faster at sea level, clock A at 0 deg N / 0 deg E or clock B at 90 deg N / 0 deg E?

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