Please do another LONGER interview with this woman. We NEED more.

@jenniferbates2811

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! That was my first thought!

@mayari_parlanchina

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, this felt much too short!

@uniteddreamer

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@otemab5691

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! My thoughts exactly

@cnj67

2 жыл бұрын

Especially, if then they could have a debate, really. I think maybe she was afraid, with the little time you get in an interview like this, that people would hear Trevor say something and believe that that was her opinion. Could be nice to hear them disagree a little bit - not like a fight, but like a room for nuances.

It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. -George carlin

@oliveraparicio8464

2 жыл бұрын

One thing the USA does have! One of the best Geography on the planet that shapes its civilization.

This is a conservation that I could have listened to longer. I wanted to hear more about her perspective of the Black American experience. Now, I have to go pick up her book.

I liked this conversation. I think the air time constraint was weighing heavily on both of them. Every sentence felt like they had five more things they were ready to say. This could easily be an hour long discussion and it would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall.

@hirvale

2 жыл бұрын

Not much of a conversation when she doesn't let Trevor finish one sentence.

@millionairemoney9922

2 жыл бұрын

@@hirvale I was gonna say something, but you're right... she kept cutting him off to prove she was right. Unfortunately people might say it's because BW are pushy and aggressive

@magsbayou

2 жыл бұрын

@@hirvale Yes I agree. It seems Trevor struggled to complete the thought so she could better understand his position but she interrupted before he could. I definitely respected her position but it also bears fruit to hear other positions.

@pedrotking6554

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah surely this needs to be open discussed on a talk show with live audience and much time like 2 hours or more.

@markbellas6250

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please do this again in a long forum this was soo truncated it hurt...and she def does need to stop cutting him off haaah

I love this conversation. The only thing that is a bit depressing for me is that these are exactly the arguments I made when I left 51 years ago.

@marilynmonheaux6356

2 жыл бұрын

Mother. Queen. Sister. I have real tears. Where did you go when you left? Did you find greater peace? Teach me your ways!

@olubusayoolasanoye634

2 жыл бұрын

@@marilynmonheaux6356 how old are u

@micaelthorne-hill8926

2 жыл бұрын

I purchased the book based on this interview and it really wasn't in line with what's being portrayed here. Yes Ms Drayton is exceedingly passionate & knowledgeable about race issues in America - I fully give her that BUT the lady is just as prejudice towards Black Haitians as white America is to Black people. She expresses such venom towards her mother-in-law calling her a b****, saying that Haitian food is n****, the Haitian accent is disgusting and that there is no value in Haitian language. She puts herself on a pedestal and looks down on people experiencing poverty. Get the book and see for yourself. PAGE 258.

@jdsd744

2 жыл бұрын

@@micaelthorne-hill8926 I did not check the book page- but You can tell she has a bit of venom in her. At one point she misunderstood what Trevor said and seemed to go on a rather biting tangent, which he kept trying to mollify but she took no note of.

@jenisejackson5408

2 жыл бұрын

@@micaelthorne-hill8926 . Dang, Micael you put the exact page number. I am going to get the book and when I finish reading I will come back and give me thoughts on the book.

Make this an hour long discussion please!

@JessicaPradoHanson

2 жыл бұрын

I could totally listen to a 3 hour podcast of these two. I bet they would talk about the most interesting stuff!

Thank you so much Tiffanie for explaining these important topics. So many don't understand what we experience as African descendants of slaves. This IS a caste system.

I am a black french speaking guy who spent 12 years in the uk and I just love this debate. It was very constructive

She didn't come to listen, she disagreed with him without even paying attention to what he was saying. Then wasted time saying the exact thing he was saying

@D3rron08

2 жыл бұрын

I THOUGHT THE SAME THING

@OAS225

2 жыл бұрын

I'm Trini and that "mmm hmmm" she kept doing in that tone is something we as a people often do when we have a point to prove and waiting for our turn to prove said point. I share her perspective but the conversation came off combative.

@GeminiMaddnezz864lyfe

2 жыл бұрын

@@OAS225 yeah I stopped listening when it was evident that she was more interested in what she had to say than having a open conversation

@ysf.3393

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@cnj67

2 жыл бұрын

Well, she was there to present her book, not his. And probably she is used to being misrepresented and tired of it. But I, too, think an actual discussion would have been more interesting. Maybe with less time pressure.

I can relate to some of the views she expressed in this interview. I migrated from the US too. After living abroad for some time, I began to realize that the US, indeed, has both a racial and economic caste system. Every average income person, regardless if employed or an entrepreneur, was challenged by similar struggles economically. We struggle with the access to affordable healthcare and childcare, unhealthy work environments mostly due to micro-managers and no appreciation or loyalty to workers, work life balance, and income insecurity. If one is not white, regardless of income, there is the added affects of racism/systemic racism that affects most of us. Those who are poor are affected the most. After living abroad, I learned there is such a thing as simply living a normal life with access to opportunities and enduring obstacles similar to other people. There was an added bonus of economic safety nets and access to healthcare. The stress levels were greatly reduced when I didn't have to worry about racism or systemic racism affecting my life or serving as obstacles as the norm.

@Alejandra-gr6ik

2 жыл бұрын

May I ask, where did you go and what are some places that you would recommend? I’ve thought about leaving for Latin America but the caste system is alive there, too.

@velinabrown2708

2 жыл бұрын

Please share to where you’ve relocated.

@Sheherhis

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment. Where you migrated from did you have to deal with colorism. I would love to go somewhere where I could enjoy all the colors of black people especially darker hues.

@magsbayou

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alejandra-gr6ik Hi. I have lived and worked in both Sweden, Switzerland and Germany. I have friends living successfully in Abu Dhabi, Latvia, Finland and Bulgaria..Every place has pros and cons but having safety nets and access to opportunities greatly reduced the stress. I have a friends who love living in Portugal, Mexico and Belize but I am not familiar with their safety nets.

@magsbayou

2 жыл бұрын

@@velinabrown2708 see my new comment.

I really like that this was more of a conversation than just an interview. I think I got a better understanding of Drayton's ideas because she got to push back a little. Also, it goes to show there's no one easy answer to fixing these systemic issues but rather thoughtful discussions will promote better understanding and actions.

@ChicoCabra

2 жыл бұрын

Well put

@JennyLouLou

2 жыл бұрын

Amen, you nailed it.

@HatesRacists

2 жыл бұрын

We've been discussing this for hundreds of years. Time for actions.

@feralLove

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

Best convo. Glad the caste system is highlighted because its so obvious.

@blackleague212

2 жыл бұрын

Meh who cares get over it

@marilynmonheaux6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackleague212 white supremacists care they’ve been talking about it privately since 1776

@davel9514

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackleague212 It seems like you don't know how to take a leaf out of your own book

@blackleague212

2 жыл бұрын

@@davel9514 here is a leaf from my own book kzread.info/dash/bejne/eI2Wprp_eKbWhdY.html

You know as a African American, I thought I understand structural racism, and how structural racism collides with class, I really thought I understood these concepts, until this past Sunday. This past Sunday I was watching American Pickers (love that show), well on this episode Mike and Frank went to Oregon, to visit this family's ranch, nothing new here, but the family started talking about their ranch and their family history. Well this family came to the states in 1895, from Austria, well during this time, the US had a policy called The Donation Land Claim Act, white settlers - and only white settlers - to claim 320-acre parcels of land in the Oregon Territory, which included the modern states of Washington, Oregon, Idaho and parts of Wyoming. Married couples could get double: 640 acres, or a full square mile of land, free of charge. ( at this time it was illegal for "blacks" to live in Oregon), could claim. Well this family moved from Austria to the US and I am not talking about one member of the family, but 5 brothers and their wives moved to Oregon territory, in 1895 and they claimed land, the total amount this family claimed combined was 8k acres. This family is still on their land, and still reaping huge rewards from the land and that policy. What got me was, this family came in 1895, not only did they receive land, but the land they received was taken from Native Americans and non-"white" people were bared from participating in the program. When i saw that episode, it really opened up my eyes, to structural racism and how classism is the child of structural racism.

I agree, I would love to hear a longer interview however, it would be nice if both parties were able to finish their thoughts

I appreciate this conversation. It is an issue that needs to be discussed more.

This should be a longer conversation, but I also wished Tiffanie would have let Trevor finish his thoughts. She kept interrupting him. He allowed her to complete her thoughts.

@BearingMySeoul

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. She wasn't following him with the class argument but also refused to take any input from what he was saying. I think she'll be fatigued wherever on earth she lives quite honestly.

@BlackGeoYoutube

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, he is a comedian acting as a journalist. She is the person being interviewed. Not him.

@emem2863

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlackGeoKZread He tried to have a dialogue with her; she only wanted to hear herself speak. I actually don't want to read her book because she doesn't seem open to feedback or discussing her ideas and findings.

@ouricoflorido

2 жыл бұрын

HE was interrupting her... He had the necessity to show her he agreed and kept repeating "yes, yes" all the time. Very annoying. @Tracy Oden mentioned it correctly. Next time, please, let the interviewee be interviewed.

I'm glad this interview happened, but I'd like to see them in a podcast episode together with another person or two. I feel like just sorting out that they are in agreement about something would take longer than this interview time allowed, and I want to view the perspective an in depth talk with them could have.

@JustinHenryfan

2 жыл бұрын

I got what she was saying but it just sounds really tone deaf to say all this now, with the war in Ukraine, with ACTUAL refugees, FORCED to leave their home, because otherwise they would EXPLODE to death. I bet Ukrainians would take the narcissism of the American dream any day of the week.

@wilwong23

2 жыл бұрын

you and me both

I left America in the 80s during Reagan (first Trump-style WS movement). People didn't believe me when I referred to myself as an American asylum seeker. I love that this thoughtful, talented sista has put it on paper. Buying it today. 💖

@benimcanm351

2 жыл бұрын

I left The States back in 2001 and never looked back. I, too, refer to myself as an asylum seeker, but people think I’m joking because of their idealism of America. Nevertheless, many countries and three languages later I’m living my best life and couldn’t imagine going back to The States.

Most of us honestly adore Trevor Noah. At the same time I find it quite engaging to witness those occasions when a keenly knowledgeable guest literally gives him a "run for his money" so to speak, on a particular topic. 👍💙😎

@ysf.3393

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is he is right. She was just overly defensive and cut him off multiple times without letting him let his point across.

@sasuita5877

2 жыл бұрын

She goes on very defensive when trevor disagree with her and interrupt him multiple times. It felt like she was trying to force her perceptive or view agressively into trevor without letting him finish his points.

@icantfindnone

2 жыл бұрын

@@ysf.3393 exactly

@empresssk

2 жыл бұрын

They were saying the same thing. She did not give him a run for his money at all. Her defensiveness ruined the interview

@patrickjenkins6383

2 жыл бұрын

You all make valid points. However, there are times in (Life) when each of us Know full well what we're talking about based on Personal experience. Despite my fondness for Mr. Noah, I keep in mind that he is a: Male celebrity of African Decent (From) Africa. Ms. Drayton is American, also of African Decent but at least part of her family were Enslaved people w/o rights, here in her home country. For Black folks, the histories & collective experiences of their individual families couldn't be more Different. The interview was Raw, Honest, & at times rather Intense. They both were great. Not to be dismissive of (we) the public, but our opinions about the dynamics of the interview are pretty Secondary. 😎

I just realized I was friend with Tiffany on Facebook about 10 years ago. We have never met but we used to talk about race, discrimination and racism in Europe and in the US. I watched this videos thinking she is somehow familiar. WOW congratulations on Publishing your book, Tiffany!

This is so powerful! I'm not American or black - but a lot of what she says translates to other countries as well

Me being first generation born to this country totally agree with everything that she said my parents is from the islands my mother is from Jamaica and my father's from Trinidad and I have first handed this experience I am excited for someone to start this conversation.

This was one of those engaging and thought provoking interviews that should’ve become an entire episode like he did with India.Arie. Trevor really needs to learn though to not stack his questions.

I'm from South America and I would tell one of my American friends how much better life was outside of America. He would always respond with snarky comments like "then why did you come here". But later on another friend from Europe said the exact same thing about life being better in other parts of the world and he actually listened to her! Tiffanie is completely right about there being a caste system: People who believe in the American Dream think they are better than everyone else in the world and won't listen to facts if you come from a 3rd world country (i.e. belong to a lower caste), but as soon as a white European speaks... ah! the enlightenment! And even then they still rather dream their dream and peddle their narcissism. Just to clarify: America IS a great country, but it's certainly not "the best" by any means, so a little humility would go a long way in addressing the issues that the country has, because if you believe that your country is the greatest as it is, you won't be inclined to change for fear of being like other countries whom you regard as inferior.

The part where she talks about internalizing the abuse, is exactly like growing up with an abusive parent, you know that they are abusive, you know that so much of what they said & think IS abuse, but you take it on, you start to believe it, you begin to act that way, they way they said you were or would. I never really looked at racism that way, but its profoundly true.

@user-en1zc5vd6y

2 жыл бұрын

Right on. And even when you know it’s wrong and you try to hide, it eventually finds you coz it’s all that surrounds you

@mermaiddiyartist8119

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I’ve been through that.

@magsbayou

2 жыл бұрын

@nicholas schoonbeck. I learned how much stress I was internalizing after I migrated from the US. I didn't realize how much I micro-managed my own behavior at work. Over-working to avoid those often heard criticisms we as black women often hear and I still endured misunderstandings, being accused or insulted. It took years being away from the environment where I could begin to relax.

@user-en1zc5vd6y

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you guys for sharing your stories. This seems minor bug it can help someone else understand their situation better

This woman is phenomenal!!!

Bring her back. I've never seen Trevor so involved in a convo

We left America for many of the same reasons, I’m looking forward to reading her book.

Love this Sister! She is so on point and I support everything she is about, interrogates and writes about. Thank you Tiffani for talking about all of these interconnected problems of being ‘Black’. Wow Trevor this is a very important show and so on the right level we need to hear. Buying her book and will be following her.

I do like her perspective on it wherein the classism and the racism are intertwined. Which makes sense when you step back and look at America's history so far with black people. It does feel like America's version of the cast system. Something I never even thought about that's....... that's poignant

@GrowMasterGeneral

2 жыл бұрын

Except when you realize these are two wildly successful millionaires. America has a merit system. Historical racism certainly still has lingering effects today. But what we have to realize is that we don't have systemic racism these days. How many more millionaire blacks with merit does Trevor need to have on his show to prove this?

@donavanj.1992

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrowMasterGeneral Well we could go to statistics for certain aspects of your statement but you can't just say systemic racism doesn't still exist. They had to do videos and records and court cases and studies just to help gather evidence to show that it even existed. Look at Red lining or the Levittown housing act. 17,000 homes given all to white families. Even after court cases came against Levittown they proceeded to still discriminate. People are part of the system which makes it systemic.

@marilynmonheaux6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrowMasterGeneral meritocracy is a fallacy. There’s no such thing as a self made millionaire. Accrued advantages and/or exploitation of labor is required to amass new wealth in America, no exceptions.

@GrowMasterGeneral

2 жыл бұрын

@@marilynmonheaux6356 So you're saying Trevor Noah (net worth: $100 million) didn't get the job of host of the Daily Show because of his merit? And you're saying Tiffanie Drayton (net worth: $4 million) didn't amass millions of dollars because of her hard work as a journalist?

@GrowMasterGeneral

2 жыл бұрын

@@donavanj.1992 So your example of systemic racism in today's society is citing examples from 70 years ago?

What Intelligent discussion this is! This proves racial discrimination still existed in America.

@shehataEG

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, you really needed that video to know?

@snirks8635

2 жыл бұрын

Exists

thank you for bringing attention to narcissistic abuse

This interview brought me to tears

She missed Trevor's video game analogy completely. Making her disagree when he actually agreed. She's right Institutional issues are inescapable and must be dealt with, but so should cultural issues. Sometimes changing our approach helps us better handle stressors and overcome obstacles. A complex discussion that requires more time.

@SageMoon8495

2 жыл бұрын

Actually Trevor pulled back and corrected himself.

@CamelToeAndTheBeast

2 жыл бұрын

She got it, she just didn’t agree. His was an interesting point, but I agree with her. While class can seem to be an escape from the pigeonhole of race in some cases, it does not truly operate as a level up for most black people because, regardless of class, we are always defined by our race and the assumptions associated with blackness as in a caste system. Rich black people never transcend blackness and we are reminded of this often. If the analogy held up, as Trevor explained it, Ryan Coogler would’ve never been handcuffed at Bank of America, Lebron James would never have the N Word graffitied on the exterior of his home, Ketanji Brown Jackson’s confirmation hearings would not be so contentious and so on and so forth. The analogy wasn’t bad, but it didn’t accurately reflect the nuances of western racism that can never truly be escaped by wealth or the appearance of upward mobility and changes in class.

@truuee9016

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamelToeAndTheBeast blacks are not to "escape blackness" as there is nothing wrong with having brown skin, which is an evolutionary advantage on a warm planet. It is the bigots that need to escape the trappings of constant insecurity which leads to expressions of racism. Seeing "blackness" as something to escape is a big problem. How one sees oneself is more important than what "others" think.

@anotherpointofview222

2 жыл бұрын

@@truuee9016 Do you not see "blackness" as a byproduct, a result, and part of the condition of the oppression. A word or term given positive expression by the oppressed racialized people, for lack of a better cultural identifier and loss of a pre existing non-colorized cultural identify. Meaning the people (racialized as Black) did not come from "Black." They became "Black." "There's nothing wrong with having brown skin" or any color unless that color/pigment/melanin is somehow problematic in itself. But in truth having brown skin has nothing naturally to do with "blackness". Being racialzed Black is a a function of the hierarchy. Race, class, caste, call the system implementation anything you want. The question is where do you fit in or not. What is your position?

As a Trinidadian myself, I completely understand from whence she comes! I am so afraid for my Black girl children. Thanks for these poignant conversations.👌🏾🌺

@fideletamo4292

2 жыл бұрын

Why girl children?

@blacknrd05

2 жыл бұрын

Yessss we loves white womens.

@akimpeter-joseph5751

2 жыл бұрын

@@blacknrd05 what u talking bout

@blackleague212

2 жыл бұрын

No your children are Caribbean. Black is USA black man . Jamaican day " don mess wit dem Yankee black" and you know that is what they teach islander kids before coming to USA. Don't deny it you a lie, I go up the street to the Jamaican neighborhood in NYC right now and get the truth! Tell the truth and shame the devil you know how Caribbean teach not to mix with American black. Study well!

@cherie0882

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackleague212 This is funny. My mom is Trini and my dad is AA. They have 8 kids. Guess they didn’t get the memo lol.

Why was this cut so short... When we heard Anna Kendrick for 20+

I blame the lack of knowledge about video games for when the confusion came into the conversation for sure. #VideoGames #BossLevels

I appreciated this interview. I left for similar reasons 26 years ago. Sadly this conversation was too short. The time constraint was felt in the hurried exchange.

Super cool being a part of this!

Also, I need this book. Trevor you are reaching Oprah's book club status with these recommendations. Thank you.

I really appreciate Trevor's view on "systemic racism" as he was raised in a system which actually divided by race as its purpose. Not one where the system to punish one race also inadvertently punishes others. I think that's the point he was trying to make about poor white people also being affected by a system designed to cause harm to black people. From what I understand of his experience with apartheid, that didn't happen. The apartheid system was designed to punish by race and only race. So being white meant you lived better than even the richest non white person, just by virtue of skin colour. I think the guest missed that point.

Hello Trevor , do you ever heard about the war in Tigray , Ethiopia it’s been 500 days we are under the siege, no telecommunication no electricity no Internet no food no medicine no school if they are not allow the humanitarian access to Tigray right now within one month 50% of the population will diminished😭😭😭 if you can be the voice for the voiceless!

@user-su7nk7zp2c

2 жыл бұрын

Black Americans are more important for mainstream media and Americans, my government killed 1500 citizens(I'm from iran) and nobody even discussed it

@SikiDlanga

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for writing about it. Don't stop until they hear you.

@LovinglfDesigns

2 жыл бұрын

This must be so hard to see all the attention on the Ukraine but none on the Tigray issue. I hope Trevor heard you.

@jaesimpson425

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-su7nk7zp2c what do you mean black Americans are more important? If anything u compare this to Ukraine and Russia war. War and social issues are two different things. Social issues matter as well as war awareness and aid.

@maklak4407

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Adwa, Did you ask yourself why this is happening? The fact is TPLF you are supporting is playing a major role next to the federal government. I am with you if you tell the truth. I am not supporting Abiy. He is an incompetent leader I have ever seen. I prefer Meles to Abiy and love tegarus. But the main problem for all these problems is TPLF. TPLF is a terrorist group that sieges the people for its political aspiration.

The way he described being in Trinidad as "like a village or so and it can be constricting at times" I'm not personally from Trinidad but my late grandfather was he moved to America he's a preacher. He died in 2010 the late Allan Kirton. Based on what she is saying I would have said I'd rather a village than a bigger area that's not welcome of me because at that point the village is more welcoming

@akimpeter-joseph5751

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah like most of the caribbean have alot of metropolitan areas, trinidad being one of the more technology advanced of the larger island nations. We have village like communities but at least he aint say like the american athlete who couldnt compete n call jamaica coconut pickers n dey hadda do stereotypical things when thinking of the caribbean as a whole.

@mlggamer5296

2 жыл бұрын

@@akimpeter-joseph5751 Yeah

@anikajoseph4123

2 жыл бұрын

What's up cousin? I never got to talk to my Uncle about if he thought America was better for his family. I was dead certain he was very aware of the choke hold America had on the African Diaspora whether they spoke French, English or Spanish, and he came to provide comfort to them all.

Loved her spicy edge and intonations. I agree that there was time pressure on both. She's an INDIVIDUAL and the Collective will naturally resist her. I can relate to her in many ways except I came here from the 1st continent - my original HOME. I too have a love- hate relationship with America. Left three times and ended up right back. I grew and found out I had to deal with the distortions WITHIN. Yet still planning on leaving!! Enjoyed the chat. Respect!!

@AthenaLolita2

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cause when things get hard for foreigner in a third world country you run back. That is the difference between you and those that live there. They do not have a choice so no you cant run some place else and think you belong, when you can always run home.

@rlud304

2 жыл бұрын

@@AthenaLolita2 America is the richest third world country. Thanks for your know it all, arrogant response. Hope you got your superiority fix for the day

As someone with a very similar story to hers, I would absolutely love to get my hands on this book

I love this! It speaks volumes!

Yo do a much longer interview with her Trevor. Debate is something that is missing in this country. You both have differences of opinion and I would love to see you both express them Infront of everyone.

I was so engaged , such a thoughtful and nuanced conversation. Would have loved if it was longer.

Trevor did a great job challenging her, thanks Noah!

@HatesRacists

2 жыл бұрын

She doesn't need to be challenged. America does that enough. Just let it be a conversation.

@jlewis1419

2 жыл бұрын

@@HatesRacists Well said. Some people think that there can’t be a conversation without there being a challenge .

What an amazing conversation. Need more of these

Most Awesome show! Thank you again!!!

Wow very informative and engaging well done folks 👍💯

Their conversation is the difference between being raised in America as a Black person and a person who emigrates to this country later in life and "believe" in the "American Dream"... TBH, she's on point on this, Trevor is coming from an immigrants ideal of America, especially and probably because he's successful...

This is a prime example of two "Black" folks with varying geolocal perspectives on oppression and imperialism. Immigrant-Black folks won’t be able to fully comprehend America’s racialized/classist circumstance within a generation of being here.

@AlexisJoy006

2 жыл бұрын

This part. Immigrants, oddly enough, have that almost as a privilege

@kernyboydraws85

2 жыл бұрын

you sure about that? I came here when i was 5. grew up here. cops pull me over...they dont care that i started in trinidad. we black. the same people that wish to do harm to you wish to do the same to me. a distinction without merit in my opinion

@harperproduction3935

2 жыл бұрын

Very true! But this should not prevent the discussion or the debate. Because sometimes the solution can come from those who are not too close the issue. Like doctors are not recommended to operate on their direct family members. Or the saying that goes, you can use the people or the tools who created the problem to fix the problem. Sometimes, an outsider can bring something other who are in the trenches or so overwhelmed with pain can't quite see.

@lovinmclovin5290

2 жыл бұрын

@@kernyboydraws85 Seriously, ask a Nigerian what they think about black Americans. You guys are the most entitled emotional hemophiliacs on the planet. Jussive Smolet fakes a hate crime cos it's so hard to find any white racist, lies to the police, tries to create a race war, gets caught literally paying Nigerians to beat him up... And the media and black community still defents him and he doesn't even go to jail... A White or Hispanic guy uses the N word and loses all his life... African Americans are the most privileged and entitled people on the planet

@VanishaRD

2 жыл бұрын

@@kernyboydraws85 you are missing the point.

I enjoyed this conversation. Trevor already is a very impressive and incredible sharp mind to me I could listen to him all day.But the points this Sister made kinda blew my mind. The way she phrased it it somehow put a whole new twist to it and it made me think.Brilliant!

My favorite thing about this video is how powerful she is, she's not willing to deal with nonsense.

Ha Wow even before she say she was from Trinidad , while listening to her am like she sounds like a Trini so elegant with her words the pronouncing of her sentence . THEN BOOM SHE said it lol .

We want a more in depth interview where the two of you help illustrate the perils and injustice that is often downplayed or hidden.

Hi Trevor. Please talk also about what is happening in Mali. With European Union sanctions, Malian people are refugees in their own country.

We've been wondering when we would start getting the American refugees here.

Going to buy the book, and I completely agree!

Trevor, please have Isabel Wilkerson , the author of Caste: the Origins of Our Discontent, on the show. She's also the author of the Warmth of Other Suns!

@crnkmnky

2 жыл бұрын

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Hey Trevor 👋 I love your work 🥳🥳🥂

It’s the same in Trinidad 🇹🇹 our government n media to an extent social space use the word ghetto to reference black ppl so it’s not racism it’s classism n takes preference n lightens d burden on it being deemed wrong and immoral

This systemic oppression is universal. No place to escape. Have to stay and continue to work for change

She's amazing

this is great, thanks to both! as brown folks in general, we've been lost in translation for a very long time.

Very interesting conversation!!

She’s beautiful 😍

Love your style Trevor. Excellent discussion (interview) ; great job 💖

We need a longer interview!!!

A lot of people do not know what redlining, gentrification, and what the public school system flaws are, nor are they willing to pay attention. I do agree with that caste system thing, the poor whites of America literally want little to do, let alone be in the same category of black folks. Malcolm X talks about it in a few of his interviews. As first generation of my family, I'm kinda hit with the double whammy being minority Filipino and Black. Seeing the system play out without having the ability to bat an eye at it has bothered me for years on end, though I can argue that the education I received has been at the hands of many different people from different backgrounds, not of the public school system. It certainly has been wild.

Yes this needs to be longer. Bring her back please.

“As soon as you bring your blackity black kids…”😂😂

I wanted to hear her... but I also wanted to hear him-- Why did she keep interrupting :/

@sleepnomore6065

2 жыл бұрын

7:16 who interrupted who?

@AllUserNamesAreUsed

2 жыл бұрын

@@sleepnomore6065 She spoke over him the entire time

wow........ so relatable. Thanks.

I LOVE everything about Tiffany’s outfit!

Waaaay to short. This was a great interview, as usual.

Tiffanie, I am experiencing all the same issues of oppression in my opinion.

Poor Trevor, he was agreeing with her.

@lakeithgray7122

2 жыл бұрын

Poor Caucasian!! Go to your cave!!

@marilynmonheaux6356

2 жыл бұрын

Gaslighting is part of maintaining the status quo.

3:52 Disagreeing before understanding limits the value of learning. That "Darling" was suspect, verging on condescending.4:33 "NO! One and the same, like this, hand in glove." A hand and glove are not one and the same. One fits within the other.

I agree that it takes so much effort to get to the level you want to be at

My "majority black high school" was college prep and far from hot garbage, but I get what she is saying. Bailing out doesn't add to the solution in America though, evolving the curriculum and focusing on what can work is the task at hand, this has been a significant aspect of the "fight".

@marilynmonheaux6356

2 жыл бұрын

You know what she’s saying though. Anecdotes aren’t evidence. The overwhelming majority of black public schools are poorly funded and poor performing. Point to the median not the unicorn.

@empresssk

2 жыл бұрын

@@marilynmonheaux6356 Agreed. I went to a strong black school, as well, but it was not the norm in my state of FL. Just a county over, black schools were closing all the time.

@marilynmonheaux6356

2 жыл бұрын

@@empresssk our schools are in a state of crisis. We finally closed the education gap and you can believe efforts to erase those gains are in the worlds, that’s why public schools are being starved.

@empresssk

2 жыл бұрын

@@marilynmonheaux6356 Yeah. But we’ve known this for what, 30+ years? As long as school funding is attached to property taxes, none of this will change. I went to a magnet school, similar to a college prep. I was lucky but obviously this isn’t the standard

She’s amazing. Exactly. So much trauma.

My Indian Trini uncle said people don’t realized they’re black until they move to the US. He was referring to all Trinis. Also what Ms Drayton is saying tracks with my experience. I’m going to read her book.

Please bring her back. I immensely enjoyed this debate ! Plus people like me "an immigrant with American kids with a blinders on" can understand how to better navigate my kids around d system!

Trevor needs a format for longer interviews. We could've done with another 20 or so minutes of this conversation

Drayton has it right here: She is a refugee from the US because of the inherent , ever present and omni potent racism and discrimination that is baked into the system and the country.

Tiffanie is so gorgeous.

You have to be a Black American to not suffer from the caste system that exists in Trinidad.

Getting this book

I'd like this conversation expanded because it touched on one of the issues I see in the relationship between Black Americans and African & Caribbean immigrants. Maybe Afro-latino immigrants as well. If you've internalized this idea that black is bad of course this will show up in the interaction you have with them. If you've never been held back because of your blackness or even your blackness is NOT the chief marker of your identity (for Africans it's usually Tribe and Religion that are primary markers of their identity) then of course you're driven to excel & not distracted by the American caste system because blackness as subpar or less than is either a nonsense or of lesser importance in your worldview. That cognitive dissonance between both groups and differences in our ideas/definitions of "culture" will always be a source of friction and is thrown into sharper relief with certain immigrants like Nigerians who tend to be somewhat libertarian, loud and proud. If your oppression is deeply interwoven with your identity, proud, loud, libertarian black people from Africa (where blackness is treated as subpar and everything black is depicted implicitly or explicitly as bad, Africa as the source of blackness is painted broadly with this brush in western propaganda) will be obnoxious, disrespectful, and uppity to you.

Tiffanie needs to learn to listen more and be less reactive. But she's right about classism and racism.

One of the hardest things to do is to remain silent when you disagree with someone. But as an interviewer that’s kind of your job, at least until they finish their thoughts

I love all of these interviews, but they're way too short.

Why couldn’t this be longer?!?!

True Talk

I am a black woman and I fled the US. to Mexico and living here I can almost physically feel the weight lifted off of my shoulders and I have lived like I haven't lived in the US. The life in the US isn't really living for many reasons. I can say the same about other countries that I have lived in as well.

@ndidiokanualvarez1419

2 жыл бұрын

How are the Native black Mexicans being treated there? You are a black AMERICAN, do you not see your privilege and what it affords you being there? Quite ironic.

@kmjones5

2 жыл бұрын

@@ndidiokanualvarez1419 I understand the plight of native black Mexicans and indigenous populations and I am also aware of my privilege as an American. Therefore I actively donate my time and money to causes that affect minorities there while also being a minority myself because I would understand better than most how it feels.

Facts!

I was with her until she said she went back home to Trinidad to escape systemic racism.

@NellieKAdaba

2 жыл бұрын

My mother is from Trinidad too, but she only goes back on Holiday for personal stuff or business, I agree with you.