I recently used the Light cantrip to signal party members who were robbing a house. I cast light on a coin that they took with them, then took watch for the owners returning home. When I saw them, I cast light again on another object (which cancelled the original casting) - this was the signal for the thief to get out. This has become a regular use for our party.

@3nertia

Жыл бұрын

BRILLIANT!

@morganhumphrey8135

Жыл бұрын

They just have to remember not to take longer than an hour, but even then the Light cantrip ends and they’d leave anyway.

@nyteraven

Жыл бұрын

I used a combo of light on a coin and my mage hand to basically have a better single dancing light

@leeroyjenks

Жыл бұрын

ENLIGHTENING!

@3nertia

Жыл бұрын

@@leeroyjenks Curse you! Why didn't I think of that ... You win!

I've always maintained that artificers should just always get Mending by default, it's weird that it's required to heal their summons but you still need to lose a cantrip slot to take it

@AtelierGod

Жыл бұрын

Unless you are a Mark of Making human.

@ryanb5127

Жыл бұрын

@@AtelierGod i feel like it’s missing the point, “ok just take magic initiate and you don’t need to use an artificer cantrip on it” neither of these really engage with the fact you have to go out of your way to get mending

@seymourfields3613

Жыл бұрын

That same argument stands for Druidcraft, Prestidigitation, Thelmaturgy, Fire Bolt, Minor Illusion, Eldritch Blast.... See if your DM will give you free cantrips. Free feats first level and with every ASÍ.

@ryanb5127

Жыл бұрын

@@seymourfields3613 this also seems bad faith, mending is much more integral to the artificer than others mentioned Eldritch blast, which is so integral it looks like it’s going to become a class feature in 1Dnd

@seymourfields3613

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanb5127 half bad faith half honesty. Druidcraft/Prestidigitation/Thelmaturgy are your Spellcaster's flavor. What is a Druid that can't make plants perk up as they pass by? Druids only get two starting cantrips, if they take Druidcraft to do all that Druid flavored RP stuff, that's a big ask. Yet most Druids do it. Same thing with wizards, sorcerers, and bards with prestidigitation. Most of them take the roleplay/social cantrip available to them. Your artificer CAN have a ring that lets them cast Mending at will. Your DM can give you a lot of stuff. I'm about to give my wizard a ring of spell storing that also lets him cast prestidigitation at will (it will require attunement due to the spell storing). Mending can very well be treated that way. These are things DMs can do if they choose. DnD giving characters a ton of free stuff ends up taking that away from the DM. I like giving players feats and cool abilities as gifts from powers they aided or pleased. That doesn't mean it should be mandatory.

My favorite usage of the Light cantrip was actually as a timer. I needed to wait 3 hours, but it’s not like I had a clock or watch with me, cast light on a coin 3 times. After the last one ended I was good to go.

@Kubsterrb17

Жыл бұрын

Yooooo, that's so creative i even can't 🔥

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@AuntLoopy123

Жыл бұрын

That's a great idea!

Worth mentioning with Mold Earth: its true value shines in wargaming. Being able to instantly excavate foxholes and reliably create trenches and earthen fortifications in a short period of time is HUGE, especially if the character using it has knowledge of how to make those fortifications.

@madhippy3

Жыл бұрын

I knew I couldn’t be the only one commenting this! As someone who has had to dig a foxhole IRL I can say its S tier for the military. Might be a B for other people but a war mage should absolutely be building shallow trenches before a fight

@ab0186

Жыл бұрын

I took Magic initiate so my artificer artillerist had mould earth spurs on his boots. After rolling initiative he'd move into position and go into a slide to create a little dirt wall to hide behind and use he bonus action to get a cannon out and blasting. When you move out from cover to fire off some shots of your own in future turns being prone behind your emplacement meant the enemy had disadvantage even if they'd readied an action to fire when you popped out.

@dylanpalmer5151

Жыл бұрын

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@futurecaredesign

Жыл бұрын

I regularly created a little fortification for our 2nd level party to sleep inside of. 6x3 little camp site, surrounded by an earthen wall with ditches on the outside of that. It's saved our ass a couple of times.

@emylily8266

Жыл бұрын

also, it's pretty damn useful for digging irrigation canals after that flood hit the nearby town. Oh and dredging a river bed so your boat can sail through if you're doing any kind of pirate campaign.

One thing people forget about Primal Savagery vs Shillelagh is that PS has normal cantrip scaling. So once you hit lvl 5, and especially 11 and onwards, your gonna be getting more bang from PS than Shillelagh since Druids don't get another attack. On top of that, acid isn't a common resistance/immunity. Early on, Shillelagh definitely shines and will be better later on something like a Spores Druid (since they want to make weapon attacks), but PS outshines it later. Plus, come on which is cooler: wacking something with a stick or shredding/tearing it up with your bear hands/fangs? :P

@andrewbaxter3045

Жыл бұрын

I definitely disagree with PS at D tier for most druids, especially with the reasoning that “most druids already have Shillelagh”. PS is a strictly better melee attack cantrip for your average, one attack per action Druid even if it is less abusable.

@briggans_a_mad_scientist2627

Жыл бұрын

This is what I came here to say. Shillelagh is just the 1d8 + Casting Mod Bludgeoning, and also falls off later once you have things +1 or higher items, where Primal Savagery scales just as any other cantrip will. Probably most comparable to something like Firebolt, with the differences of damage type and range

@JohnPyrich

Жыл бұрын

I see the point in scaling but given that it’s a melee cantrip, what makes it better than some of the other choices that don’t require you to be at that range? The only benefits that I see are either you are playing a melee oriented Druid (as mentioned above) or that you don’t get a penalty if you happen to be in melee range. Those are pretty much edge cases. I agree that the scaling pushes this up, but I wouldn’t go higher than C given the niches I mentioned.

@jonathanhaynes9914

Жыл бұрын

I took magic initiate druid for primal savagery on my hold x war domain cleric.

@koryh9802

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention there is a theme or flavoring that can happen, like my star druid condenses solar radiation into his hands that as he punches or claws people, it burns them

Another point for the Light cantrip is that it allows you to see in color. Darkvision characters only see in shades of gray while in darkness. It’s a niche point, but it’s a point regardless.

@theawkwardpotato1973

Жыл бұрын

One more point in its favor is that in dim light, perception checks are still at disadvantage. Light cancels that out. So in darkness, you're still at a disadvantage to someone that can see in darkness, just not as much of one as you would be in total darkness. Dim light is a lightly obscured area, which means disadvantage on perception checks. Devil's Sight is the only thing that makes this cantrip useless, but that's only for imps, quasits, and warlocks who took that invocation. Possibly truesight but again, that's incredibly rare and/or at very high levels.

@AtelierGod

Жыл бұрын

In my experience DMs tend to see Darkvision as just colorless sight and not use the negatives, mostly cause they’re an obscure rule and people tend to just think “Oh you can see in the dark” it’s not by RAW but it’s a common home usage.

@theawkwardpotato1973

Жыл бұрын

@@AtelierGod It's because darkvision is so close to seeing in the dark, people tend to use it as that - and that it's hard to enforce the negatives when there's already so much the players and especially DMs need to keep track of - but it's not. Not quite, at least.

@captainglume

Жыл бұрын

I was just going to mention that. Many times I've made colour puzzles in my games and watch as the players can't tell what is what. You can also enchant a coin or stone etc and toss it down a tunnel or hole and then dismiss it. It also doesn't light things on fire making it handy. Oh and you can enchant items your wearing so you don't have to waste a hand holding a torch.

@AtelierGod

Жыл бұрын

@@captainglume just ask your DM if you can have a lantern shield, it’s the best of both worlds.

The flavor altering property of prestidigitation is underrated IMO. I once used it to take a cheap wine and flavor it like a super rare vintage, then forged a label and presented it as that super rare vintage to gain favor with a noble. Nobody could tell the difference. I also once changed the flavor of the wine a party member was drinking to dishwater as a form of payback for something he did to annoy my character. Great for utility as well as roleplay!

@Ahglock

Жыл бұрын

That is one of those DM calls. Personally things like that I'd put out of the range of a cantrip. This is a spell that makes tiny puffs of smoke, it can warm the meal or cool it. I think flavor is saying you can season a meal not make it taste like whatever you want. It should not replace the cook tools proficiency that much, its a cantrip.

@Reddotzebra

Жыл бұрын

@@Ahglock It doesn't replace the cook tools proficiency because no matter what you make it taste like, bad food is still bad. Also, even if it only allows you to add magical spices it's still a massive bonus in RP situations, in the kind of setting most DMs tend to run, spices aside from salt and what is locally produced are usually luxury items to greater or lesser extent. Also, if that's what it took to unlock that utility from this cantrip I'd just pick up proficiency in chef's tools, the chef feat would actually fit quite nicely, even though it buffs the wrong stats.

@Ahglock

Жыл бұрын

@@Reddotzebra Anyone can slap food together with or without a cooking skill or tool proficiency, making it taste good is why you take that tool proficiency.

@binolombardi

Жыл бұрын

@@Ahglock or pick up a cantrip to change the flavor. Developing tool proficiency sounds like for peasants and artisans, not magic casters.

@mournwood

Жыл бұрын

I'm still waiting for the day I can try out my idea for a prestidigitation dry cleaners. Combine it with mending to clean AND repair garments and make some coin.

I've had a fondness for Mold Earth ever since we encountered some imps in an abandoned temple, trying to draw a huge summoning circle on old loose stone tiles. The GM clearly intended for us to fight through the monsters protecting the imps as he was counting the rounds until the circle was complete, but my bard/sorcerer used Mold Earth to upend their summoning circle from across the room

@DylanGred

Жыл бұрын

I love Mold Earth on small characters because it creates a 10ft long piece of cover. 5ft hole and 5ft wall next to it. Even for normal sized characters it offers at least half cover, and you can always duck.

@mikeunderwood734

Жыл бұрын

Mold Earth is a fantastic shovel

@okamiv5

Жыл бұрын

It makes an aspiring necromancers life much easier on those graveyard hustles. Often as said necromancer i built a small fortress of dirt for my party to bunker down in on a long wilderness voyage.

@d.k.t.3380

10 ай бұрын

Also, it has a unique pairing with "Find Familiar" as you can be looking through your Familiar's eyes as they scout, and casting Mold Earth on something in front of you like a rock and showing the rest of the party what you see as your familiar does its thing. It's like a really crappy TV that only has a refresh rate of once every 6 seconds lol

@iamabowl3678

10 ай бұрын

I used Mold Earth in conjunction with Minor Alchemy from the Wizard School of Transmutation to get some interesting out of combat utility. I transmuted a pile of silver coins into stone. From there, a loose pile of stone became “Rubble” which I could then mold to my hearts content. Turned the loose stone into the shape of a pole. When my Minor Alchemy ended, and the stone returned to Silver, I had a Silver Quarterstaff. Given that we were about to fight some werewolves, that neat trick gave our fighter the edge needed to turn a challenging encounter into a much more manageable one.

My favourite thing about Magic Stone is the synergy with the Crusher Feat since you inflict Bludgeoning damage at a distance and can automatically move the target 5 feet without any save. That's good control at will to push enemies into hazards. 👍

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

I believe D4 Optimized did an entire build centered around magic stone and the crusher feat, with a build centered around the sling.

@isaacgraff8288

Жыл бұрын

The big thing I keep hearing about Magic Stone, is a firing line. Have someone on either side, cast it as a bonus action and throw/sling a rock. Then the person on either side of you takes one of the three rocks and attacks with that. It is based on your spell modifier so peasants can be dangerous.

@katyprarie

Жыл бұрын

I feel like Monty made a mistake here I think Magic Stone is one of the few cantrips freed from the total tyranny of wizard ?

@seeker296

Жыл бұрын

@@isaacgraff8288 3d6 + 3modifier is extremely hard to match. Even first level spells don't match that power Magic stone is the best cantrip in the game. It's just power creep.

@BobHerzog1962

Жыл бұрын

@@seeker296 the thing is you still throw each stone. So it is 1d6 + modifier per attack action. And it can come with limitations spell attacks don't usually have. Like you need the ammunition (either on hand or find it). So yes it can be quite good. Especially when you actually go and pick a feat and/or a fighting style that supports it. With some set up you also can have some NPCs throw some rocks for you (other players will perform better with their own attack action in general though). But it still can lead to you actually tracking ammunition when the environment just doesn't offer the material needed.

You can't throw a torch 100+ feet and have it shed light up there. The light cantrip is fantastic for casting light on a little pebble or a ball bearing, and asking a strength based character in your party to throw it off into the distance (or down into a pit that's at least 60ft deep). Or, if you're not worried about your familiar getting killed, you can attach it to your familiar and have your familiar fly off into the distance and light up wherever you need to see. There are a lot of uses for Light even if you have darkvision.

@Ahglock

Жыл бұрын

Why can't you throw a torch?

@Music_Engineering

Жыл бұрын

Or cast it on an arrow/bolt 🙂

@gabrielrockman

Жыл бұрын

@@Ahglock It depends a lot on how the DM handles it. It's very easy to argue that a ball bearing or a pebble will bounce and roll and extend its distance in many types of terrain, similar to how a golf ball works. There's basically no chance that the impact of being thrown would cause a pebble or ball bearing to cease to emit light, but a hard impact certainly can cause a torch to cease working. The farther you try to throw an item, the more severe the impact will be, and any terrain hard enough to permit a pebble or ball bearing to bounce and roll would certainly cause enough of an impact that a torch might stop functioning.

@Ahglock

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielrockman I don't argue you can throw it more reliably and probably further, but you can throw other forms of light pretty easily. I think light is a solid cantrip for multiple reasons. Heck in the previous cantrips rankings I commented that control flames is being vastly underrated due to its light magnifying abilities. Doubling the light range on torches and lanterns makes huge areas of bright and dim light. This makes something that effectively nullifies any normal darkness concerns, and I suspect with it a DM would be less likely to extinguish a thrown torch if the player first used it to expand the fire. End of the day though there will almost always be one player who needs light so any reliable method to generate it is useful, and like most tools the players who are creative will get the most out of it.

@mrbean3470

Жыл бұрын

Or light up the pebble and have the mage hand float it around.

Just last night, our wizard found a really cool, story relevant use for mending. Someone hired a person to assassinate the king, and while we caught the assassin, he didn't know who his him, he only had the note giving him the details. Well, we were able to tell the parchment came from someone in the castle's notebook paper. The plan is to have the captors of the guard gather all of the nobles' parchment books and systematically cast mending on the with the paper in hand until we find whose notebook it came from. The paper will only mend to its original book, so if the conspirator is from the castle, this is turning out to be a great way to find them

@JoshDavisBlues

Жыл бұрын

Oh, that's brilliant!

@ignerius9878

Жыл бұрын

Combined with locate object to find the notebook and mending to confirm that is really is the right one means you have everything you need

@quinnmcrae6737

Жыл бұрын

@@ignerius9878 I didn't know about locate object, but none of us know that we've actually seen the right notebook, so it wouldn'twork for us

@AuntLoopy123

Жыл бұрын

FANTASTIC! That deserves DM Inspiration, right there! Me? I call them Yippideedoos, and hand out plastic chips. If they collect enough of them, they can use them to buy a feat. Because I LIKE the feats.

@franciscobirrell7887

Жыл бұрын

My party would slice the axle off our cart when going into a cave, and then I cast mending on it to go on our way... Served as great anti theft protection

Mending is a great cantrip. I have it as an archaeologist character, and EVERY art piece, historic item and equipment our party find in tombs gets a complete restoration to mint condition. Also, you could have an artisan crafting you a really long rope, cut it in pieces, split it through the party. When you need a longer rope, mending makes it longer instantly and it is more reliable than tying a knot.

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Mending is essential for any Archer who has a DM who makes them track arrows. Also for Artificers easy first choice you are going to have either a steel defender, eldritch cannon or homunculus. Mending heals all of them for free😊

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

The biggest downside to Mending is that it takes 1 minute to cast so you couldn't heal any of your constructs in combat with it. Other than that it's still excellent

@derekchristensen6965

Жыл бұрын

@@snazzyfeathers of course yes it would be out of combat. But still it will always have full health for the next encounter if it survives the combat.

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

@@derekchristensen6965 Yeah

@ronnoe6708

Жыл бұрын

I've never thought of that. 😲 I have to take that when I play an arcane trickster or a ranger. 🤔👍

@mr.histor1996

Жыл бұрын

Sure, you could take mending, or you could take proficiency with woodcarver's tools and make 5 arrows per short rest and 20 per long rest.

Magic stone also feels like a great cantrip for situations were you are going to be searched and can’t bring weapons. i’m imagining someone wearing a necklace/bracelet of stones they break the string holding them together once the fighting starts

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The good thing about Lightning Lure's wording is that because you pull them up to 10 feet, you can choose to only pull a target 5 feet, so it won't take damage from you. Useful for getting a hurt party member outside of a creature's reach so they don't have to disengage.

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The most useful thing I remember using Prestidigitation on was that we were trying to infiltrate a cave that had goblins as the guards and two of us took out one set of roving guards and my teammates were trying to throw snow over the blood stains to hide it so it didn't alert the second team when they came around. I just looked to our Bard and asked "Won't Prestidigitation fix that?" His light bulb moment was pretty funny when he got to use his Cantrip to help our infiltration.

I think Prestidigitation qualifies as at least A Rank, if not S, purely because if you're creatively minded, you can do so much with it. It's like the magic equivaleny of a swiss army knife.

@ultimafullmetal

Жыл бұрын

We once befriended an orphan by making water taste like chocolate. We called it Yoohoo.

@AZUREPHOENIX777

Жыл бұрын

@@ultimafullmetal You can also use it in interrogations. Have someone else rough them up, then fake concern and offer them some beef jerky (or something else that's chewy and not easy to swallow), then change it to taste like rotting flesh and raw sewage the moment it hits their tongue. You hold their mouth closed so they can't spit it out, and then when they eventually relent and swallow just so it's not in their mouth anymore, you pull out more beef jerky and threaten to do it again if they don't talk. It's like pretending to be good cop and bad cop, but instead of being good cop you're even worse cop.

@TheStarMachine2000

Жыл бұрын

Prestidigitation falls outside of the grading system, as do the rest of the class variants in my mind. If you are creative, and your DM allows it, it will be S tier. If you just use the written portions, and your DM is rigid, it will be F tier.

@gabrielrockman

Жыл бұрын

Prestidigitation is so useful in adventuring. It's quite often that you'll end up wet and/or cold. It was so useful in both the OOTA and Storm Kings Thunder. And I'm so disappointed that I chose a non-magical character in the Frostmaiden campaign so I don't have this spell.

@Reddotzebra

Жыл бұрын

Prestidigitation is good enough, if your DM allows you to be creative with it, that it's one of the handful of cantrips that I would take magic initiate over ritual caster for on characters I want a familiar on that doesn't already have one. You can even use it to make money in ways that range from super illegal to perfectly legit, depending on the setting and local laws. (Basically, you can use it to sell the most bland food imaginable and either surreptitiously change its flavor to something much more palatable, or you can make this the main attraction that people will pay extra for, depending on local laws and/or attitude towards magic. Also remember that pervasive effect on Avernus that makes all food not specifically made by devils taste bad? It never says you can't use this spell to change that, which means you can charge EVEN more if you manage to find someone to sell it to! And that's just one feature. Granted, if you're in a campaign with a DM that either discourages creative uses of cantrips or just hates fun, I'd pick something else instead. Chill touch is in the same category of short list spells and if your DM is on the warpath, it will pay for itself the first time you run into regeneration.

I learned very early on in my dnd adventures that Message was an INVALUABLE cantrip for characters to have. It's gotten to the point that literally everyone in my group who can take it, does. It may not be our most used cantrip by a long shot, but when it's necessary to use, its a game changer. We've pulled off so many cool deceptions, infiltrations, sneak attacks, etc., all enabled by this one simple cantrip allowing us to communicate even when face to face with the person we're trying to hoodwink. It's one of those spells that really adds to the immersion for me because nothing feels more fantasy than being able to communicate plans on the fly through thought alone. Edit: Regarding the pointing to cast the spell, if we're trying to hide it from the people around us our DM allows us to roll slight of hand so it's more like we just make small movements to point at each other behind our backs or what not. I find that adds more fun to it as there is a very real chance of failing that roll and chaos erupting as people realize you're communicating with someone they can't see and now they know something is up.

@nategwright

Жыл бұрын

It was so useful for us, particularly because we had a player that didn’t speak Common and it was used often to streamline translation, but it was also really helpful for parley situations where only one or two people could actually talk to an NPC while the rest of us could still communicate with them.

@gerardodanieltoribiomedran4958

6 ай бұрын

IMHO is useless since casting has a verbal component hence stealth is heavily punished but if homebrew it not to have verbal I'd consider it S tier

@jacthing1

2 ай бұрын

​@@gerardodanieltoribiomedran4958couldn't you just whisper the words?

One part of this that I found telling is when he said (regarding the Light cantrip), "...but you probably already have dark vision..." It seems like everyone has darkvision now. In a recent campaign, three out of my four players had characters with darkvision and they heckled the one player whose character didn't; every time he lit up a torch they complained that he was ruining their chances to sneak up on monsters. I think darkvision has become too common, to the point were characters that don't have it are at a disadvantage. I think it's supposed to be a powerful cool feature for some rare races but instead it's become the default and non-darkvision is a handicap like blindness.

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

Rather than heckling one of their fellow players for not having darkvision maybe they could have worked around it. Sounds kind of rude of them to be like that

@caseyobrien1082

Жыл бұрын

Create instances where dark vision isn't so helpful. Doesn't work against magical darkness, for instance.

@tarrickmerdev2324

Жыл бұрын

@@caseyobrien1082 Darkvision also means that PCs still have disadvantage on perception checks while in darkness. Getting ambushed by stealthed creatures that they didn't see several times might show them the light, so to speak, especially those creatures that don't need to see in the dark,. Or activate traps that were just above their passive perception -5.

@toddhadley9002

Жыл бұрын

I agree that darkvision is way too common. It's gotten to the point that I won't even consider a character build unless it has darkvision, because I don't want to be that guy who ruins the stealth of the rest of the party, or ends up being underpowered because the DM builds encounters around the assumption that people can see just fine in pitch black. And that means I will never play the iconic race for a rogue (halfling) because halflings don't get darkvision and there's no way I'm going to play a rogue who can't operate at near maximum efficiency at night. In my opinion, darkvision should be limited to races that primarily live underground. Goblins, gnomes, kobolds, dwarves, etc. Get rid of it on elves and half-elves especially, except as a subclass feature for dark elves. Then make fewer cases where darkvision is necessary. The simplest way to do this would be to reinterpret most dark areas as having dim light (and enforce the dim light restrictions). Encounters in full darkness should happen maybe a dozen times in a long campaign, adding an extra environmental condition to the occasional fight rather than being a "solve the problem once" issue with the purchase of some goggles of night.

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

@@toddhadley9002 I get what you're saying. There's a lot of little remedies for the single player that doesn't have darkvision and it should be a little bit of a challenge for the party to work around that. Players shouldn't feel handicapped because they picked a halfling and rogues (which typically work better in the dark anyways) that don't want to work in the dark because they can't see anything is silly. I could understand the more exotic races having darkvision, and subterranean races having darkvision. Yuan-Ti, gith, the spelljammer races, etc...some would make more sense than others to have darkvision. The others definitely shouldn't though except maybe wood elves? If they've lived in the woods their entire lives they should have adapted to day and night conditions, and keeping torches around in the woods just isn't a smart idea. Deep gnomes and every dwarf race should have darkvision. Forest gnomes as well. The rest though maybe not.

Mold Earth can also be used for combat purposes, instantaneously excavating a 5ft. cube and putting it in front of you, creating quick and easy cover for the caster, protecting them from ranged attacks.

@madhippy3

Жыл бұрын

I would even call it 3/4 cover! The excavated earth can be moves in front as a parapet.

@ab0186

Жыл бұрын

If there's two of you with it, one uses it to put the BBEG in a pit and the other uses it to fill that pit. You've removed the primary threat while the rest of the party picks off the mobs. create a hole big enough you can shocking grasp their torso but they can't move their limbs etc etc

@DeepBarney

Жыл бұрын

Or full cover if you're casting it for a Halfling. Totally saved the party's ranger by doing that when he was about to get wasted by the breath weapon from the "surprise it's a black dragon".

@DeepBarney

Жыл бұрын

@@ab0186 if real world physics are applied (and they generally shouldn't be) the dude in the hole would have to overcome around 400-550 lbs to extricate themselves.

@Tupadre97

Жыл бұрын

Yeah mold earth is an easy s tier since it can create instant 3/4 to full cover in a fight or create full blown fortifications every time you take a long rest so you literally never get attacked ever during a long rest, it's just too good.

If you can fly either racially or via magic items, Lightning Lure can be an amazing spell. Fly above an enemy, yoink them upwards and then they'll fall prone dealing fall damage as well. Also very useful for pulling allies out of grapples (forced movement breaks grapples and they don't take damage unless they end within 5 ft.)

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@LarsaXL

Жыл бұрын

Good advice, I hadn't considered those.

@Star22233

Жыл бұрын

Also war castor works great an often have it on most builds, I have a war castor bladesinger who uses lightning lure

@HiroYamamoto

Жыл бұрын

@@Star22233 How exactly?

@Star22233

Жыл бұрын

@@HiroYamamoto it’s a 1 action spell which war castor may use as a reaction, it doesn’t use a spell slot so perfect, enemy runs from you and boom lightning whip zips out and reals them right back in

My favorite use of Lighting Lure I've seen in a game was when our Wizard was being reeled in by a Cave Fisher spider. Just as they were about to get grabbed they threw out Lighting Lure which pulled the Cave Fisher off the ceiling, and both of them plummeted like 50 something feet into the lake below. The rest of us were able to pick off the defenseless swimming spider while the wizard floundered away.

@christianlangdon3766

Жыл бұрын

Had a sorcerer, who was on top a building with a trench trap all around it. He would lightning lure targets from the other building with extended spell and pull them into the trap that they set.

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@nicholasnewell6360

Жыл бұрын

Lightning Lure is one of my favorite spells in the game. My tomelock used it for all kinds of whacky stuff. I pulled an enemy into a gelatinous cube, I pulled a falling paralyzed ally onto my platform so they didn't land in the lava river. I pulled people into my wall of fire. I pulled people into melee range with me ... and my pet quaggoth. The shenanigans you can get up to are endless.

In one of the campaigns I have been in we went through extremely cold areas and extremely warm areas. I used prestidigitation to make my clothing warmer or cooler and the DM ruled I did not have to make con saves to prevent exhaustion. I have also used it to clearn up areas in a dungeon so we could search them more easily. Going through a pile of garbage to find a key might be difficult. Spending a minute cleaning up all the garbage and just seeing the key lying on the ground is easy.

@AuntLoopy123

Жыл бұрын

What about weaponizing Prestidigitation? Picture this. You're in a battle. Your Spellcaster (SP) taunts the enemy, specifically to make the enemy LOOK AT HIM. "OK, now that he's glaring at me, I cast Prestidigitation, to make his face filthy. Including his eyeballs. Which were exposed." I'd totally give a free round of Blindness for that. I have HAD blindness from stuff in my eyes. Sure, it doesn't last long, but I'd give the same effect if they tossed a handful of sand into their faces, particularly if they taunted, first, and ensured open eyes.

Primal Savagery on my Lizardfolk Druid with the Chef feat is so much fun to role play. Also has the Eldritch invocation feat for Mask of Many Faces, so he looks human most of the time.

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I use minor illusion to make an image of the BBEG. DM: You can't image a creature I make a portrait depicting him. DM: works for me

@Reddotzebra

Жыл бұрын

Since the illusion is not solid and can be discovered as false by trying to poke at it I also try to get away with having my forest gnomes create the image of a rock, tree stump or similar feature and then simply sit down inside it to hide. RAW allows this: "If you create an image of an object-such as a chair, muddy footprints, or a small chest-it must be no larger than a 5-foot cube. The image can't create sound, light, smell, or any other sensory effect. Physical interaction with the image reveals it to be an illusion, because things can pass through it. If a creature uses its action to examine the sound or image, the creature can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC. If a creature discerns the illusion for what it is, the illusion becomes faint to the creature." Some DMs get grumpy about doing this however. It's also not clear if the illusion becomes faint to you, sitting inside it, or if you HAVE to use an action to poke and prod at it, despite being the one to have cast the bloody thing.

@AmericanArchon

Жыл бұрын

"The BBEG takes psychic damage after you depict him as a Soy Wojak."

@mardshima2070

Жыл бұрын

A bounty hunter who hunt our party used Minor Illusion to create illusion of our portraits to ask people if they ever seen us.

@isaacgraff8288

Жыл бұрын

​@@mardshima2070 "Who or what are we looking for?" Minor Illusion. as long as it doesn't tell you to Execute Order 66 it should be okay

@TheScarvig

Жыл бұрын

@Sven Hallgren for city escapes the barrel or crate with a hole in it is also great to hide inside of. You run around a corner and see a stack of boxes to the side. Before your pursuers also come around the corner, you sit down beside the other boxes and cast minor illusion to create a box that fully covers you. And so that your DM can't whine that you don't see if the air is clear, the box has a small crack to peek through conveniently placed at your eye height...

Prestidigitation feels like the social variety cantrip. Very nice for someone who wants to be presentable or for things to go smoothly. I'd say thaumaturgy leans intimidation and deception but is something of a cousin to it.

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As others have said, Primal Savagery is the default attack for many melee druids from tier 2 onwards due to its scaling and acid resistance/immunity being fairly uncommon. I think it deserves at least a C. And once a druid is able to cast spells while wildshaping at level 18, it's even more useful. I have a tier 4 moon druid who uses it all the time while in elemental form.

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Aside from the fact that you can use coins or rocks that you have cast light on to check for anti-magic fields, Stalker style, you can also use light underwater or in strong winds where a torch would be less useful. There's also the bullet lantern option where you light up a coin and then shade most of the light by holding it inside your hand, so that only a beam spills out in one direction, this can then be further enhanced if you get something that has an actual reflector and/or a lens, this may seem rare but remember that this is a magical setting, there are ways and means to create lenses that does not require an entire workshop. Edit: Well, I guess you didn't forget the underwater option, I should have known that the resident spellcaster would agree more with me.

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for me prestidigitation is one of the favorite non combat spells, as a sorcerer casting a subtle prestidigitation, the look on a rival face as they let lose a loud fart, a horrible smell and then soil themselves in front of nobility, or their boss is well worst it. the warm or chill in environmental setting is a huge help, being in the freezing cold, warming up 1 cubic foot area can do wonders or creating a small fire

@NITROJACKALOPE

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"I use prestidigitation to soil their pants"

My DM hates prestidigitation and complains when I try to use it to create distractions, stating I should take Minor Illusion to create sounds. Then I turn around and use it in a social interaction to clean a wall in the Sunless Citadel with mean things about gnomes on it, and my DM has Irky Timbers forever in my debt. Sometimes the roleplay possibility of a cantrip is it's best part.

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The thing they didn't mention about Magic stone is that if you use it with a sling, it's range is only 30/120 but if you just throw it with your hand, the range is 60. Also, if your modifier is at least +4 then it's the most damage dealing ranged attack roll cantrip in the game. Max is the same as Firebolt & Eldritch Blast but minimum is 5 magical bludgeoning damage.

@binolombardi

Жыл бұрын

They probably didn’t mention it because it’s not clear what exactly the rules interaction is.

@TheShilohtrigg

Жыл бұрын

One of my favorite multiclasses combos battlesmith artificer 5 and scribes wizard 3. Crusher feat, magic stone, and a bludgeoning shadowblade (Shadow Hammer). Also you can ride your construct maybe. I like to imagine it as humanoid and with a cockpit where its head should go. My character is a runt Orc named Biggy Boppy.

@KCSutherland

Жыл бұрын

"...it's the most damage dealing attack roll cantrip in the game" until 5th level, where every attack roll cantrip outclasses it.

@5-Volt

Жыл бұрын

@@KCSutherland Obviously it's worse when all the others scale & it, for some reason, doesn't. You could say the same thing about Eldritch Blast at level 2 with agonizing blast.

@AsmodeanEmpire

Жыл бұрын

Most warlocks will have agonizing blast, which adds their charisma mod to eldritch blast damage, which means magic stone loses that advantage. If a warlock doesn’t have that invocation for whatever reason, then magic stone is superior - until the warlock reaches 5th level and eldritch blast becomes two bolts per cast.

I would love to see a video like this where you rank all the feats. Including those in all books like XGtE and Tasha’s etc

@katyprarie

Жыл бұрын

Ooh! And like an alternative rank for it's OneDnD version as is as well. Like I'm suspecting GWM would be very different currently and possibly in the future.

Mold Earth. Early in our Campaign (level 3) our party of 4 was in a small hamlet. The locals notified us that a Hill Giant was roaming around the nearby hamlets and would come down the road every 4 days. We had a day to prep and spent a full day using Mold Earth to dig a large enough pit. We turned it into a tiger pit and were able to take pot shots at him before he got out. He only got 1 turn after getting out before going down.

Something you've overlooked is that Mold Earth is the only cantrip which can provide an AC bonus by creating cover. For this reason I'd probably bump it up to A-tier since it's such a potent defensive option against anything that attacks at range

Produce Flame is actually really useful for when you take the Druidic Warrior fighting style, which gives you 2 druid cantrips. It gives you 2 spells in one on a class that probably isn't getting cantrips in the first place, considering you're taking a ranger fighting style. This frees up a feat so you don't have to take magic initiate to get cantrips, and it frees up your second cantrip slot for either guidance or a more flavorful one for your character.

I think precipitation is an S tier for Bard's who perform. Adding those little light shows are sensory effects brings a performance a whole new level and if you're deep into Storytelling that is the best.

Magic Stone. So underrated they couldn't even spell it all the way lol

@musicbydru

Жыл бұрын

But fr. Love the video. Just finished the first one like an hour ago lol

@roobthenoob6607

Жыл бұрын

*M*

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Жыл бұрын

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@roobthenoob6607

Жыл бұрын

@@musicbydru DM: You cast M? What does Judy Dench have to do with this?

@theawkwardpotato1973

Жыл бұрын

Magic Stone is ONLY going to be really useful after 4th level if you're a fighter that specifically focuses on a spellcasting ability, where you can make multiple attacks with it, and even then you can't get the most out of it because it only does up to 3 stones, not 4. So you can't make your full attack with 4 magic stones. Even if you're low level, it's just... OK. Meaty okra at best.

Have to add in that the mending cantrip is perfect for artificers! It meshes so well with the battle smith construct, and it just fits thematically.

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Thoughts: 1. Lightning Lure, if the bad guy is already next to you, is Shocking Grasp based upon a save. Consider a variant: Lightning Push. 1d6 (scale) electric damage, 5' range, strength save, on fail the target is pushed 5'. Cast first then GTFO with no opportunity attack. 2. Magic Stone is a great way of getting magic damage to overcome resistance in low-magic campaigns, and share the ability to do that damage with a different character than yourself. In such campaigns it is TOTALLY an S-tier cantrip, like Shillelagh. 3. Mage Hand = the argument-maker. "10 pounds of pressure on a dagger tip is total stab!" Don't let a cantrip attack or duplicate the effects of a leveled spell. 4. Mind Sliver is Bane with a save that brutes will fail bundled with a single-target save-Bane. Fantastic. 4. Minor Illusion is great for hiding people. Make a boulder, bush or section of a wall to cover up a compatriot who is Small or crouching. 5. Message: "There be voices in me head, make them stop, make them stop!" (or, for those of you who have seen Real Genius, "This is Jesus, Kent...") 6. Mold Earth = never dig a ditch again. Consider that effect on canals and agriculture. 7. Prestidigitation = the argument-maker. "I warm my armor every minute so now I'm not freezing." Don't let any cantrip duplicate the effects of a leveled spell. 8. Primal Savagery is another great cantrip that isn't resisted much, counts as magic, and scales. Give it to your cultist NPCs. "Oh, they're magic initiates..." 9. Product Flame: Super flexible. I love it. Replaces both Light and Fire Bolt. Really, how often are you specifically between 95' ("I move forward 30' to get in range") and 120' of an enemy? And only loses 1 point of damage on average vs. Fire Bolt. I'd almost rather have Produce Flame than Fire Bolt. 10. Resistance as a Reaction is beauty. Already enacted in my campaign.

One time my cleric mended a doorknob (because it looked like someone had been messing with it) and it relocked the door… The party’s rogue was not pleased with this.

@adaelion3772

Жыл бұрын

While that is funny, it should not have happened. Locking and unlocking is not part of something being broken, just a normal function.

@cawcawcaw9160

Жыл бұрын

@@adaelion3772 Unless it was locked when it was broken? And if the pieces are in the right position when they reattach, it could end up locking the door in place. Say the deadbolt snapped off inside the doorfeame. When it reattached to the lock inside the door, its still in the doorframe too no?

One thing I'd like to point out about magic stone is it doesn't have to be you who uses them, so you can give them to commoners and have them help you defend their village.

@shadowbladeandlightin8889

7 ай бұрын

Arming the masses, a great past time

Also, one thing to remember about Darkvision and Light. If you have Darkvision, you still only see the darkened areas in black and grey. You don’t get to see color. DMs can use that for puzzles and such where they still need some light source to see some drawn runes or a hidden message, etc, which Light can be.

One thing I love about prestidigitation is the warming aspect, and use it to warm clothes and other things to help make cold weather a little easier.

Prestidigitation is at least an A rank, if not S. Help convince the guard to give us some slack by reminding him of the cinnamon rolls his wife is baking at home. Turning the human fighter's torch on and off to spook him. Warm my coffee on a cold winter day. Endless uses for the creative.

@wumbojet

Жыл бұрын

Cleaning that cool coat soaked in blood that the enemy hobgoblin was wearing and just entertaining people with light juggling

@thoughtgaming492

Жыл бұрын

Also cleaning up blood, hiding your scent, etc.

@colinwalker6804

Жыл бұрын

If you play a small race, prestidigitation can warm your jacket or a backpack that you are riding in when faced with extreme weather.

@sagilia4393

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, seeing Jil use Prestidigitation in Drakkenheim made this spell S Tier for me. Besides her uses, you can also soil an object (like pants) or make a symbol on a surface. I see many players use minor illusion to create something on a surface, but technically prestidigitation is the better spell for this usage

@theawkwardpotato1973

Жыл бұрын

@@sagilia4393 Me and another wizard in my party (along with the rest of my party) went and used Prestidigitation so much on some poor jerk of a bar patron think he soiled himself.

Lightning Lure has been useful at my table on an eldritch knight, very handy at pulling out of reach things that like to fly or stick to walls and ceilings

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I have Lightning Lure on my fighter who is the primary tank for the group. The lightning lure cantrip for me is mostly about moving enemies away from allies so they can escape without provoking

@michealbeirnes4253

Жыл бұрын

I did this aswell as an eldrich knight and with the bonus action melee attack after casting a cantrip. Then action surge to lay the beat down on someone that is just out of reach or flying right above you

@dougcarlson2862

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@@michealbeirnes4253 Echo Knight fighter. I can pull someone away then bonus action put my echo on the other side so the enemy is sandwiched, then like you said action surge beat down lol

There was actually an interesting article I read about for mending that pushed it up a level for me. It can mend and ONLY mend things that were once joined. So you if you are dealing with dopplegangers or other look alikes or something like that where you need to verify someone, you can snap a stick in half, give them half and keep half, and when you meet up again, cast mending and see if the stick mends, if it doesn't, they aren't the same person. This use is niche, but the more open ended spells/cantrips like this are really only limited by how far out of the box you are willing to go. Beyond that, loving the series.

Mind sliver is definitely my favorite combat cantrip. It doesn't have the best damage, but the saving throw effect is amazing, and worse case scenario you are just using it to set up for another mind sliver next turn so you still get some benefit.

@Resoulute77

Жыл бұрын

Also Psychic damage isn’t commonly resisted by enemies so you can reliably get that Mind Silver damage unlike types like fire or cold damage.

This is actually part of the reason I wish I could play in more Eberron campaigns. There are dragonmarks that offer both mending and message, and I'm one of those weird people that actually likes playing gnomes, plus going alt human with the dragonmark of house Cannith opens up a lot of plot hooks.

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Thing about dark vision is in total darkness you still can't see colour and sometimes seeing colour is useful. The Light Cantrip is one way to get around this.

@Low_Dragonfly

Жыл бұрын

Well you also need to consider that anyone relying solely on darkvision will have disadvantage on perception checks. This will rarely come into play during an active round of combat, but having a -5 modifier to your passive perception makes you pretty susceptible to traps or hidden creatures. Light can still be useful to make sure you actually notice the tripwire.

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I had a lot of fun using Lighting Lure on a character who could fly to pull enemies off a ledge. Extremely situational, but cool when it the circumstances are right.

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Great job on this tier list thus far. Choosing cantrips and 1st level spells can be daunting and can affect a new player's first experiences with the game. This tier list is a useful guide that I'll likely point new players at my table towards.

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Mind Sliver also works great with the Arcane Hand monk since you can use it as part of one of your attacks and then use Eldritch Flurry to use a spell with a saving throw instead of your Flurry of Blows. Granted the spells won't be as powerful as a Sorcerer's but still something to consider

@Lawless4566

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And/or use your extra attack to try and stunning strike with the minus 1d4 to the save and then flurry of blows cast a spell at a now stunned enemy.

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Mage hand is epic. I love using it as a representation of my character. I recently had an eccentric rouge that took magic initiate, and used mage hand to get into harmless hijinks. For example, I patted the cultists on the shoulder as we walked away, I pissed off a poltergeist by messing with her wall of dolls as we ran down the stairs, and I waved at the bandits that tried to rob us as we passed them. Good times! And of course, snatching important things or doing things at range is always fun

Magic stone has a nice feature not discussed: you can pass the stones to your party members, them using your modifier. It's nice when partymembers fall behind in ASI through feats or multiclassing

@moojo777

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Ye I was thinking of taking the magic stones cantrip when I make my pact of the chains warlock, to give to the quasit to throw

Mold Earth is A/S Tier Cantrip as long as your party can create situations when they have time to prepare. It being "Action" Cantrip meaning you can cast it 10 times per minute. That's a lot of excavation. You can set up a killing field, a trap, an ambush with only 1 Caster and five-ten minutes to prepare. It can be extremely powerful. Though in the straight-up combat it's quite niche, I'd have to say.

@Tupadre97

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Nah it's definitely s tier because even during combat you could use it to create instant 3/4 to full cover and just freely take shots at the enemy without them being able to respond at all since you have full cover. This shit is literally just broken.

Mold Earth is probably my #2 favorite cantrip. I'm not saying it's S tier, but I love it. It's the ultimate camping spell, as you can, in a matter of minutes or even seconds, surround your camp with a trench and a barricade. Dig a pit trap and cover it with sod or leaves. Bury the treasure so your pursuers don't take it from you. And while you can't deal date with it, you *Can* hold your action to cast it in front of a creature moving towards you to open a pit. Depending on the depth of soil, even a 1 foot deep hole suddenly appearing in front of them could trigger a save against falling prone. It can be used to create sand or soil molds for quickly casting metal objects. I feel like it's a perfect cantrip for a Ranger to grab with Magic Initiate, along with Shillelagh.

Light is still important for characters with Darkvision. Those characters still have disadvantage on Perception checks in darkness. And the free hand it gives you, by not needing a torch is A+

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There is one strong use case for lightning lure, the Eldritch Knight. More for pulling an enemy off a squishy ally than trying to create a combo of some kind. This is in my experience a constant issue that a defender has to deal with. Strength isn't a very common save proficiency either.

@michealbeirnes4253

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Used it to pull a troll off a rope bridge over a 500 ft cliff. The fall did not kill it but we got away

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Ah yes, Mold Earth, the "I dig a shallow grave to enhance my intimidation" cantrip

@mrbean3470

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Mold earth is a favorite. We used it to make a trap to great effect.

@Tupadre97

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Mold earth is amazing for digging ditches for fortifications or dig holes during combat for an instant 3/4 to full cover it's literally an amazing cantrip and one of the best tbh.

Something you didn't mention about Minor Illusion : It has no verbal component. Which means you can cast the spell when you are hidden, and you won't be breaking stealth. Which makes it very useful for distracting enemies while sneaking in.

Prestidigitation + Mending = A way to make yourself into acceptable before a noble after a really bloody battle. Also - with a bit of heal - make it looks like, that the enemy wasn't even able to touch you. About message - it's the magical version of a walkie-talkie. We used it to communicate with our scout in a dungeon, where the bigger half of the party doesn't have Darkvision. The high elf scout shared the information for us, so we could hide our light sources before any enemy could detect them, then it casted Dancing Lights - the humanoid shape was useful attract the initial attacks of the dungeon-dwellers, as they were confused, what it was, and where it came -, and the team could storm in the dimly lit room, not having a disadvantage by the dark. The Dancing Lights was a great cantrip for this, as unlike the Light cantrip, it has a 120 feet range, so our scout doesn't had to put itself in danger by using it (or, at least he could do it from a reasonably safe distance).

With minor illusion, I play a warlock with Misty Visions and often use minor illusion as the audio portion of my illusion. I have used itany times to pretend someone is speaking, or to make it sound like the party is running somewhere, or a door closing elsewhere. The S tier if very apt, and while you talked a lot about the visual version, the audio version shouldn't be ignored either.

@nickm9102

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Auditory features can be good for preventing detection if you spot them first. I personally like the "metal gear" method. If I'm in a room or cave I will make a false wall and hide behind it. If you can pick the battlefield it is the perfect ambush option. I even used it as a duck blind to make sure a questionable group kept their word.

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Great vid dudes! Lightening Lure is probably a C, but i have seen some Eldritch Knights put it to good work, it works well with them to hold the line, and also they can pull someone in and still attack with their bonus action. It's not build defining by any means, but it is a solid pickup for them. I was just surprised you guys overlooked this in the discussion. Cheers!

One of the really creative uses for Mending that both my both the Blood Hunter and myself a Tome Warlock used in Descent Into Avernus was putting back together cracked armored plates on our Infernal War Machine. So it allowed us to repair the war machine's hit points and get its AC back up. Just the internal mechanisms were magical, not the outside armor plating. Our DM allowed that because it was a clever solution.

I like that you are taking flavor into account. It’s good when characters feel distinct.

I think prestitigitation is being nerfed by many DMs because they just handwave things like getting an audience with the king while wearing bloodstained and muddied armor from the dungeon the players just fought their way out of or like them eating disgusting meals because they ran out of rations and the only edibly food they find are hard roots, rats or insects. So in a way the DM solves some of the issues prestitigitation solves for free by letting them just pass.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

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Or just play a Lizardfolk. Your strange ways are just part of your charm.

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I wish you guys had brought up the use of Minor Illusion to make SOUNDS. Static images are great and all, but my favorite use of the cantrip is to make a shrieking sound directly behind the target I'm about to leap out and attack... :)

Creating nonmagical trinket with prestidigitation. I think this part of the cantrip is overlooked a lot and it is my favorite part. We needed to climb a wall. we got a rope, created a little hook with it, tied it to rope, with mage hand hook it on the wall. Now we can climb (hopefully) without making noise. Once I created a little bottle of blood to distract sharks away from us with it. (I am not sure if you can normally but DM loved it allowed it).

On Magic Stone - one time my party was defending a village against a siege of otherworldly beings while a cleric in the center cast a Hallow spell over the course of 24 hours. We had a lot of combatants that didn't have long-ranged attacks, so I kept casting Magic Stone with my bonus action and using my interaction to hand out the stones to nearby NPCs on the wall. Produced a lot of damage output over the rounds. I didn't keep the cantrip long-term since it unfortunately doesn't scale super well, but in a situation where you need to create ranged for many people quickly? I have fond memories of it.

Another strategy for magic stone is as an artificer, give them to your pet homnoculus for them to spend their action throwing them.

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@eliasstein8440

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Don’t you need to command them with your bonus actions though, and also need to cast magic stone with said bonus action?

I love mold earth. My druid used it to dig a pit trap in front of a door behind which we knew the bad guys were hiding. We made a distraction outside the door, they ran out and fell right into the pit, making combat all but a joke.

Just a note regarding lightning lure, you can move the target 5' and not damage them. It's not efficient, but it can disengage an ally on their behalf which lead to some extraordinarily inefficient booming blade shinanigans at a table I play at. L Lure as a disengage is rarely the correct play, but it's incredibly sweet on the rare occasion it is.

"Please don't use the word, 'mouthfeel.'" Loving your guys' videos as always! Been binging you guys after I've discovered you since about 3 weeks ago!

I was playing a geomancer once and used mold earth to help a village dig latrines. 10/10 cantrip

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Lightning lure is a DM spell that you give to flying enemies attacking your PCs on a bridge.

My best with Prestidigitation so far: Flavoring a roasted animal to disguise the poison in it which was then "gifted" to an enemy, and using the Dirty feature to make some writing on stone easier to read... and then removing it again so nobody else could read it. It gets used in nearly every encounter in our game, and my character has used every feature at least once. I think it's the overall best non-damaging cantrip out there, even over mage hand (which gets used much less often so far).

I once used Lightning Lure to catch a Quickling. Completely trivialized that encounter, but that was the only time that cantrip came up in that entire campaign.

Produce flame is easily a pick up for me. It's a decent light utility and does only slightly less damage that fire bolt.

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Dungeon Dudes commentary on mage hand:... Arcane trickster: I'm going to ignore that.

This is such an awesome tier list. Can't wait for Part 3!

It is often fun to see what the automatically generated subtitles make of your dialogue. In this case, I was amused to learn that Kelly would make his girl tasted like stew.

Primal Savagery is one of my FAVORITE cantrips. It scales MUCH better than Shillelagh in that it actually scales with levels. At 5th level you're hitting harder than Shillelagh with Acid damage. On the role playing side, I've used Primal Savagery on my fingernail to corrode and melt locks and door hinges to get into locked areas. I call it my Savage Lock Pick. Got a letter that needs to disappear? Primal Savagery without the risk of setting the rest of the place on fire. Don't have a club/staff because you had to leave it at the entrance? You're still armed.

Minor illusion, concentration free obscurement or cover. Many spells and attacks require line of sight. This is incredible!

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One of my groups has used Mending to great effect, such as repairing a desk and furniture they wrecked, a lock they smashed, Restoring a secret door. repairing a map. It can repair damage to transport, such as a wagon wheel or wagon bed. A ship that took damage. Yes, it takes one minute but fixes a lot of things.

I think presdigitation is useful for adventuring situations. I use it to warm or cool clothes while traveling. I've also used it to replicate the smell of bug repellent or to mask a scent

Magic Stone doesn't let you stockpile stones over a few rounds to use because the description explicitly states that if you cast the spell on any new stones, the ones previously affected lose the effects of the spell.

@evanfishsticks8010

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I think they meant it like "you don't have to cast the spell every turn"

Id say certain situations are so common they are basically required in party and need a higher grade. Most parties want one person with mending, message, prestidigitation, light, and minor illusion. None of them are must takes but u want at least one person with them so id say they each deserve at least an A.

@Observer31

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That's a pretty good point. It doesn't really matter exactly whom in the party has some of these high utility cantrip, and in fact it's often a "waste" to have multiple people with the same utility cantrip. But a party without prestidigitation? Light? ooof

Little late to the party here, but - Congrats on successfully defending your dissertation, Monty! Such an amazing accomplishment.

A great combo for Magic Stone and Druids is summoning animals that can throw (apes) and equipping them, suddenly they get a pretty potent ranged attack. For this alone it's S Tier.

Magic stone works great with minions if they have hands. Just bonus action, and all your minions have much stronger attacks. Even commoners can use a magic stone.

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I actually gave all the full casters in my campaign Prestidigitation, Druidcraft, or Thaumaturgy for free, based on their class. Sometimes it comes in useful for them; a lot of times it's just a fun RP thing.

Favorite usage of Minor Illusion: when you're eavesdropping on a language the rest of the party doesn't know, using minor illusion to create real time subtitles while you listen.

I remember seeing a Lightning Lure build one of my players made where he made a draconic sorcerer with two levels in fighter. He would start encounters by quickening Lightning Lure, using Shocking Grasp, and then action surging into another Shocking Grasp. I had run Shemshime's Bedtime Rhyme for that party and he was burning his sorcery points to lasso Shemshime around once the party figured out the trick to beating him.

Regarding Lightning Lure, they forgot the Eldritch knight. Cast lightning lure, yank them in, and use your bonus action to stab them. Basically your 2 attacks anyway, just one of them is magical instead of stabby

@binolombardi

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Seems like a waste of a cantrip choice and misuse of actions even when that interaction is available. Eldritch knight, being a fighter, is more effective using weapons than cantrips, even within those levels where that can be used. Dexterity based Eldritch knight maintains damage at distance, does respectable damage in melee or range, and preserves the cantrip choices for utility to be useful out of combat. Only attacking cantrip damage d choose would be mind sliver to try to chain those failures and disadvantage on your target for actual casters to land spells.

@Mithguar

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@@binolombardi What if you are restrained?

@binolombardi

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@@Mithguar I would imagine it depends on the circumstances, but there is access to teleportation if it works. Spells and subclass features. And if the restrained condition persists, attacking multiple times at disadvantage, perhaps with the archery fighting style, may more damage than a cantrip and bonus action attack.

@Herbalizer28

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@@binolombardi A melee based Eldritch Knight can make great use of Lightning Lure, but also Booming Blade and Green-Flame Blade...At 7th, when they get War magic, they can do a cantrip + 1 attack. It's better to use BB or GFB and then attack then attacking twice and it's even better than having 3 attacks. In case of Lightning Lure, it can help reach a target that's just out of range for melee, but also move a target away from an ally (let's say the mage that is engaged with an enemy) ...once that target is engaged with you, they can't just leave without taking an opportunity attack, in which case you could also use BB (if you have the Warcaster feat). Melee Eldritch Knight can be very powerful with the right build

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@@Herbalizer28 at 7th level the blade cantrips and a bonus action attack can be better than attack action IF the Eldritch knight doesn’t have access to a bonus action attack. Those cantrips being better than 3 attacks is simply not true. Dexterity based Eldritch knight covers melee and ranged. Multiple bow attacks is better than cantrip+1 attack because of archery fighting style and sharpshooter. Shadow blade covers melee at lvl 7. elven accuracy combined with the situational advantage from shadow blade out performs great weapon builds with less feat investment.

I really think prestidigitation should be a S tier, it has so many uses!

@JohnPyrich

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Remember that S tier are those that any character might think about taking Magic Initiate to grab. I’m not sure that it’s at that level for adventuring. RL, I’m soooo taking that feat. 😁

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Very cool video, make me rethink a lot of my characters ! Can't wait for part 3

My Warlock used Minor Illusion as a remote megaphone. My Arcane Trickster used it to make a "section of wall" for a party member to hide in for an ambush. Prestidigitation can be used to create or extinguish small fires, so my Sorcerer used it to put out the small fires fairies made in our first session, and later the DM allowed me to use it to set papers on fire that were in a bag.