UPDATED AS OF THE WOLF PATCH: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooql1bGFaZe3ZbA.htmlsi=gj2sFDEKAdVJprn4 I think out of all the Tiers of Tomes, T2 is the most imbalanced in terms of application and performance. I've heard some rumors that sound like Triumph is going to give these guys a balance pass in the future, so while I'm *probably* not going to need to redo most of the other Tier Lists post-patch, I'm kinda hoping that I have to redo this one. I also kinda hope that the bad tomes get a little bit of a lift, as it would be great to have a little more granularity down below, but as it stands, the S-tier tomes really do stand alone. That said, you can't stop me from taking Necromancy because I love my undead bois.

Man, I would like to see him redo these things to add the changes and the new tomes...

@wepg

8 ай бұрын

Me too!

"The nymphs are reasonably burly"

@wepg

2 ай бұрын

At least, as a T3 unit, Nymphs are meaningfully beefier than all but the most stacked of T2 cultural supports until *way* past when you want to be using a T2 support anyways. The exp loss on mind controlled units is a real weakness, though.

25:19 "But the fact of the matter is that Wightborn and stuff does not play well with one of the other S-Tier Tomes" I thought Reveler's Heart allowed Wightborn to _gain_ morale? Like granted, it would be at half rate compared to normal, but you basically gain morale that cannot be lost so when you raise your morale into the green that is permanent +20% crit chance for the rest of the battle.

@wepg

9 ай бұрын

Hmmm, last time I tested it out it overwrote the morale bonus from Revelry, but that was literally months ago. If you can gain morale that's a nice feather in Wightborn's cap, and easy enough to test in skirmish mode.

By the way, I thought Mental Mark was good because you can hurt enemies even more with a battle mage alpha strike with it, or is it because phase beasts and unicorn cav would be in their face before they get to use it?

@wepg

9 ай бұрын

Mental Mark is basically only necessary against folks stacking evasion, or potentially Reavers as they get that spicy damage bonus. Otherwise if you want to support an alpha, you can find better ways to sunder resistances.

@R17inator

9 ай бұрын

@@wepg Which other, better ways of applying sundered resistance exist in particular?

@wepg

9 ай бұрын

@@R17inator The disease hero skill is -4 resistance and can really mess up an army that's clumped together.

@richyrich6099

7 ай бұрын

​@wepg Doesn't that ability also affect your own units though?

I just hope they don't get nerfed into oblivion.

@wepg

9 ай бұрын

I think they are both awesome tomes, but absolutely overtuned. That said, it does sound like unicorns are getting nerfed into oblivion so we shall see.

The multiplayer meta must be very different from the way I play. "15 turns is basically forever", meanwhile I regularly play 300 turn games😅. Also how do you have 4-5 cities by the time you get a tier 2 tome. Just how?

@wepg

4 ай бұрын

This will be pretty different on the new patch, but it used to be meta to basically only spend imperium on a few picks in the empire tree initially and the rest on cities or overcap heroes.

Would you say Amplification is still S-tier as a tier 3 tome? or less prio since it got swapped with summoning?

@wepg

3 ай бұрын

Definitely worse now, check out the pinned comment for the tier lists as of the Wolf Patch!

I really liked the watchers/beyonders in Aow2. But I only used them once in Aow4 because the Tome sucks 😂

@wepg

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, the summon itself I think is pretty decent. There are a lot of things the watcher gets that help it be meaningfully beefier than you'd expect on a T3 battlemage summon, but unfortunately the rest of the tome just isn't that good.

:( watchers are such cool looking units

@wepg

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, poor Watchers got nerfed along with all the Battlemages in this patch for... reasons. Unfortunate, as Watchers are definitely cool, just not super good.

Thats most funny of your tierlists, becauss its most broken of them 😂

@wepg

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, fortunately Amplification did in fact get moved to T3 so we're gonna need to go back and redo some of these (or at least regrade), though I did do my best to highlight this as a possibility.

@blackleon1708

8 ай бұрын

@@wepg I will watch your new tierlist

Multiplayer is a hot garbage because of that.

@wepg

9 ай бұрын

I'm really hoping the rumors about Amplification moving to T3 and Revelry getting nerfed are true, as it will make things a lot more interesting, but I do think that some of the bad T2 tomes need some love. Like, the nerf to Beacon by removing Imperium made absolutely no sense and was pretty clearly a result of Triumph leaning too hard on Singleplayer-only experience when it comes to balancing, but the problem with Singleplayer right now is that the AI is basically nonfunctional (especially in tactical combats). Fortunately the tactical AI is supposed to be getting a bit of a rework during the next patch!

@alexjensen007

9 ай бұрын

@@wepg while balancing is needed, the multiplayer in general is crap. There is no way to balance it, there will always be a cookie cutter, that everyone uses. The only thing I can suggest is to shuffle everything. You just create a form and start the match. Then the game allows you to pick one of three tomes. Racial bonuses are random. It could be a trait map.

@wepg

9 ай бұрын

@@alexjensen007 Eh, I have a lot more fun with MP because the battles are actually rewarding.

@Sharkfinish

8 ай бұрын

I only just started looking at guides online, and yeah everything I see make multiplayer look kinda boring and one note. It’s the same 2-3 factions with the same books for all of them every time. Your race, traits, nothing matters. Just the same like 7 tomes being rushed and then spam as many elite units and similarly built heroes as possible.

@wepg

8 ай бұрын

@@Sharkfinish What other guides are you encountering? I wouldn't be surprised to hear that some other folks are making MP stuff, but honestly it's probably extremely out of date.