Type-C: physical, shape of the connector. Thunderbolt 3: the software implementation and data transfer protocol.

@Richard-rp6ts

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ningrc8673

3 жыл бұрын

Just 1 sentence yet explains everything, you are a god send. And yeah, this video doesn’t explain what we want to know

@omaralsabbagh3606

2 жыл бұрын

thanks, now I don't need to watch the video

@harinduudapitiya369

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Video doesn’t give that simple explanation.thanks for saving time

@stevenswisher4339

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, idk why she keeps calling it the hardware interface.

Thunderbolt 3 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed, the connector is physically the same from a plug-in perspective. In many cases, they can do everything that a USB-C port can, except much faster I explain it in 10 sec.

@harryvuemedia5106

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Now tell Apple to start switching completely over to USB-C and thunderbolt instead of still making their own crappy lightning cable.

@faintsmile3279

2 жыл бұрын

you explained it wrong tho. thunderbolt 3 is a hardware interface while usb-c is just a connector type, it just happens that thunderbolt 3 uses usb-c connector.

@cliffords2315

2 жыл бұрын

All three of my new Laptops come with both out of the same plugin, has hardware and software for both

@channelofstuff6662

2 жыл бұрын

apple just wants you to buy there cable. apple's been doing this forever and losing for over 20 years.

@Speed_IOT

2 жыл бұрын

@@harryvuemedia5106 Apple and Intel developed Thunderbolt 3….

Uhhhhh... For me, that was clear as mudd.

@realnaturesound369

3 жыл бұрын

LoL

@notme-sm6zb

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. Thank you. I feel the same.

@muntupoetslegacy7760

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@oceangrownkae

3 жыл бұрын

Yep 🤦🏼‍♀️

@imuhammadaamir

3 жыл бұрын

I shouldn’t read your comment at the start of the video 😂 I laughed during the entire video 😂

Skip to 5:56 - Watch until 6:20 - Move on with your day

@ptrNeoh

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. This video is badly produced and confusing for the most part. Only this segment is crystal clear.

@burneychoo

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Really helpful

@conspiracies1014

2 жыл бұрын

Ok thanks just saved some time there.

@r0b865

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@iZacq

2 жыл бұрын

Why even this year there are no phone chargers which says USB 4.0 on it ? We still only see old slower USB 3.0 ones :( Are the phones with 65w fast charging ?

I rarely comment on videos but this video is so confusing that I wish I didn’t see it in the first place..

@editoons15

3 жыл бұрын

USB C Port on a computer is like a train tunnel. The other end of the tunnel accepts certain trains. USB c tunnels that accept thunderbolt trains can take advantage of faster train models (Thunderbolt 3), that can haul cargo (data) up to 10 times faster than USB C trains, while other USB C tunnels accept only slower USB C trains.

@korokoro4772

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing.. changing to another video after 3 seconds LOL.

@DavidRavenMoon

2 жыл бұрын

USB C is a connector. It can handle both USB and Thunderbolt protocols. Thunderbolt does data, and also does power and display port. Not hard.

@trg9559

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidRavenMoon Thank you. Right to the point.

@user-yy6ek8mf7p

3 ай бұрын

As you see ,, the narrator is a female, and porbably made by a female, Try to avoid confusiong by searching for a man explaining

This is the most complicated video to explain something not so complicated

That tells me nothing other than Thunderbolt being faster. The most important piece of information would have been to tell us what happens when you put a USB C peripheral in a Thunderbolt port and vice versa. So I’m none the wiser

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt devices will generally not work with USB-C ports but USB-C devices will generally work with Thunderbolt ports. As a rule of thumb, if a device is made with Thunderbolt support instead of USB-C support, it will likely need the extra bandwidth provided by Thunderbolt. For example, a Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt dock will connect to a USB-C port but will be limited in capabilities (No dual 4K displays). An external graphics card will not work with a USB-C port device as it absolutely needs the extra bandwidth. USB-C peripherals can be plugged into a Thunderbolt 3/4 port and work without issue. I can plug a USB-C to VGA port into my laptops Thunderbolt port and it works. I can also transfer data and charge my phone using my laptops Thunderbolt port without a hiccup.

@YoungBlaze

3 жыл бұрын

@@HellFire107 so im trying to plug a m2 drive into my usb type c port with a adapter but will that work if i put that in a thunderbolt on a mc

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

@@YoungBlaze Yes. Thunderbolt ports are generally also compatible with USB-C devices.

@YoungBlaze

3 жыл бұрын

@@HellFire107 gotcha but the only trade off is I will still get faster transfer etc but not at the 40gb transfer speeds using usb type c

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

@@YoungBlaze That's correct. Most M.2 drives can only read & write data around 3Gbps maximum though so I don't believe there would be too much of a speed difference between USB-C 10 GBPS and Thunderbolt's 40 GBPS

Let's show stock footage of an iPhone lightning cable for extra confusion. 👏

@stevesstuff1450

2 жыл бұрын

Let's show it twice, even!! The second time in close-up!! :-D

Before Type-c we had 10 different USB connectors... Now we have 11 ! And the new one adds even more confusion since it can be found on both USB and Thunderbolt devices... GREAT ENGINEERING !

@p.a.dconstructionltd4139

2 жыл бұрын

Lool

@faintsmile3279

2 жыл бұрын

well you can plug in type-c either way which is a massive improvement imo. if any of the connectors should become mainstream, its this one. however the problem is not the connector itself anymore, its the cords since they are different from each other.

@stevenrosscarpenter

2 жыл бұрын

Too many car models - just stick to horse and buggy

@cybr69lol

2 жыл бұрын

usb absolutely sucks ass at naming and engineering

@ivanteo1973

2 жыл бұрын

This is the nonsense EU wanted to impose.

Still didn't say what the difference was. Just that they use the same interface but are different several times.

@Ramon314

2 жыл бұрын

Usb-c is like the concept of having vehicles drive on a road. That road can be bumpy and therefore the vehicle may, also because of the bumpyness, not be able to drive that fast. Thunderbolt 3 is the utilizing the concept of a road and makes it as fast as they possibly can by offering as flat of a road as possible so you can drive it with as fast of a car as possible. Im not a teacher but maybe this clears it up a little.

Ok. Simply put, USB-C and Thunderbolt use the same connector, the USB-C. It's what's the circuitry inside the computer that the cable is plugged in to that's different. Think of it like buying a new car. You can get the same car with a standard engine, let's say a 4 cylinder, with the high performance option being a V-8. It gives you more speed and power. Same car, different engine. USB-C is the car. Thunderbolt is the high performance engine, USB (using the USB-C connector) is the standard engine. Not sure if that's a good analogy, but I tried. :). It took me until the last 30 seconds to understand what she was talking about. It sounded informative, but ultimately confusing. :)

@toshio3772

2 жыл бұрын

well said

When one has to read the comment section to understand what the video claims to explain. And every good comment takes less time to read than watch the video.

This could all have been said in one minute, more clearly. Serious practical questions are not answered: eg what happens if you plug usb 3.x technology into a thunderbolt tech port and vice versa?

The world in 2077 : we use usb type c *Cyberpunk theme music starts

The generic people clips are distracting 😑

Using a iPhone 6 to demonstrate , USB-C ain't wise enough , LOL *at :* 0:28

@DonaldRump.

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@GeorgeGhines

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t

Intel 11th Gen CPU's have Thunderbolt controllers built into the CPU. This leads to a HUGE difference in EGPU performance as the EGPU doesn't need to go through a thunderbolt controller to reach the CPU resulting in less latency.

*The more confused the customer is, then the greater the advantage the manufacturer has.*

@pretentious_a_ness

3 жыл бұрын

You are master Yoda's humanoid cousin?

@Pachola77x4

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the ex-manafacturing by Federal Signal right?

We need a follow up video. I still have a thunderbolt 3 expansion card for an older PC, that I never use, but would like to know about the 'ins and outs', of Thunderbolt 3 vs Thunderbolt 4, and how backwards compatibility plays a role.

Still vaguely confused, but the fog is lifting...

sounds to me you said a whole lot of words, but didn't really explain anything.

@LifeInBNE

3 жыл бұрын

This is literally the worst video I have ever watched.

@sklynexd

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I only get that thunderbolt is just faster but the same lol.

@pqrstzxerty1296

3 жыл бұрын

2:31 says it all, why is this being shown ?

@lxnny2357

3 жыл бұрын

The script writer doesn't know the difference either

I had teachers like you in college.

Title of the video should be “how to confuse the person who clearly knows the difference between Type C and Tthunderbolt 3”

@trg9559

2 жыл бұрын

😂 Exactly

@Ramon314

2 жыл бұрын

It didn't confuse me since pretty much all information was right. But after watching it a second time I understand why it confused some people. The explanation is a bit wacky.

too much talking for no reason

Bottom line: if it fits, it should work. The closer they match, the faster the transfer.

I’m reasonably smart, I’m the guy who learns all the new technology out to help explain it to everyone around me and help bring them up to speed. Your video left me lost, confused and I didn’t even understand what you were trying to explain

So what’s the difference between usb c and thunderbolt ?

@MichaGruber

3 жыл бұрын

Watch the Video ...

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C? Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max (More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports) Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum. USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds. Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.

@panutanhutasoit7532

3 жыл бұрын

What I get from the video: USB C = is a type of connector with 10Gbps max speed Thunderbolt 3 = is an hardware that uses type-C connection with 40Gbps max speed Thats it!! This could've been a 10 seconds video.

@W0rldViralDaily

3 жыл бұрын

One is video one is to charge ur phone

@thoriqaulia8536

2 жыл бұрын

@@HellFire107 your explanation even clearer than this 6 minute video

A couple of times you stated that USB C is only backwards compatible to USB 2.0, but I thought it would still work with USB 1.1 (which AFAIK is still commonly used for cheap low speed devices like mice and keyboards).

@iamwisdomsky

Жыл бұрын

where can you even find a USB 1.1 device that uses a USB-C connector? I haven't seen a USB device that's using USB 1.1 that also uses USB-C type connector. Every USB 1 device I know uses the old USB-A connector. Even the devices that uses USB type C port is automatically understood that it uses at least USB 2.0. Old phones from 2015 that has USB type-C port is using USB 2.0

A big omission for me in this video is the question of cross-compatibility...what would happen if I mistakenly plug one into the other...what would go wrong?

@davoudtaghawi-nejad6780

Жыл бұрын

Nothing bad would happen

@sammiller6631

Жыл бұрын

USB-C lacks features

How about comparing USB 3 over USB-C and thunderbolt? Far about the multitude of other things tied into each protocol like power distribution, display port pass thru, channels, devices, OTG (host vs device)?

I have a question: Can I use the same usb on a building or a utility pole solely mounted to give off a warning signal for an air raid attack or a tornado? Because the thing that confuses me, where's the blower?

This was good, but the most important thing was not covered: how can I discern the two visually? Are TB3 ports labelled with "3" or similar to differentiate them from non-TB3 ports?

@hang-the-93

3 жыл бұрын

Carl Erik Kopseng Thunderbolt ports should have a lightning symbol, its seen in the video.

@Dragon-Slay3r

Жыл бұрын

Really?

@Sockem1223

Жыл бұрын

@@hang-the-93 Well, obviously. Problem is that TB1, 2, 3 and 4 all have that same lightning symbol, as seen in the video.

TB3 is a dream with a quality TB3 Audio Interface for recording. Negligible latency. And MANY simultaneous channels recording! No hassles. It is altogether a much better system.

@WizzRacing

2 жыл бұрын

TB 3 40gbs makes external NVMe drives. At fast data transfer in both read and write..As they have two lanes...Why they will be the standard interface in all devices.

I didn't think I was confused about this until now.

*My MSI Titan Pro has Thunderbolt 3 and I want to connect a HUB to handle multiple 7-10 USB 3.1 devices however I'm finding most hubs use USB-C thus my question. If I were to plug the USB C connector of a HUB device into my Thunderbolt 3 port, will it all still work and if so, will it work just as efficient or better than if I had a USB C port on my laptop which I don't?*

thank you ❤️

SHE SAID A WHOLE LOT OF NOTHING.. WHAT IS THE DIFFERANCE??

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C? Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max (More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports) Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum. USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds. Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.

@mjmonjure

3 жыл бұрын

One thing she implied but did not say is that you can plug a USB-C into a Thunderbolt 3 device, or vice versa, but it won’t work and may even damage the device.

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

@@mjmonjure Thunderbolt devices will generally not work with USB-C ports but USB-C devices will generally work with Thunderbolt ports. As a rule of thumb, if a device is made with Thunderbolt support instead of USB-C support, it will likely need the extra bandwidth provided by Thunderbolt. For example, a Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt dock will connect to a USB-C port but will be limited in capabilities (No dual 4K displays) but all of its ports will still work except for the downstream Thunderbolt. An external graphics card will not work with a USB-C port device as it absolutely needs the extra bandwidth. USB-C peripherals can be plugged into a Thunderbolt 3/4 port and work without issue. I can plug a USB-C to VGA port into my laptops Thunderbolt port and it works. I can also transfer data and charge my phone using my laptops Thunderbolt port without a hiccup.

@lingth

3 жыл бұрын

The thing ppl want to know is how to visually identify a thunderbolt 3 port or plug/cable when making a purchase

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

@@lingth Pretty simple. If the laptop has an AMD proccesor, 99.9% chance it won't have thunderbolt. If the laptop has thunderbolt, it will be indicated by a little thunderbolt lightning strike ⚡marking near the port. If an accessory is thunderbolt, it will likely have the Thunderbolt lightning strike logo somewhere on itself, have an extremely thick, high quality cable, and have 2 rows of pins inside the USB-C shaped plug. Thunderbolt devices often require their own power supplies and aren't BUS powered devices.

Are they truly interchangeable? Given the speed variables? could someone damage a device by plugging in the wrong cable?

Great video! And greater: the suggestion to like at the end, when you actually saw the video!

5:08 isn’t this a micro USB? 🤔🤣

@pqrstzxerty1296

3 жыл бұрын

yep 🤣🤣🤣

Okay @Gamescan, pay attention, *this* is an example of how you should explain things: "Thunderbolt 3 has XXX advantages over Type C, that's what makes them different. " See how fast and easy to understand that is? It should be possible to explain it in less that one minute.

Sooo, I’m not a gamer but would like to know if it’s possible to use a USB-C-cable to a Thunderbolt-3 interface? Is there any difference in the actual cables like threads, shielding etc.?

Hey 😁have a question, just wondering if a third party adapter will work (USB C to mini display port) to connect a thunderbolt monitor to MacBook m1 pro? If so, do you think the brightness can still be controlled on the screens? Thanks in advance!

@GreeniusGenius

Жыл бұрын

If it’s a Cinema display, you can just use a USB-C to DisplayPort cable, if it’s a Thunderbolt display, then Apple sells a Thunderbolt to Thunderbolt 3 adapter on their website.

This channel covers things that most big youtubers don’t and I love it

*All THUNDERBOLT 3 is 40gb/s with a MUST HAVE thunderbolt on the wire.. *USB-C 3.1 (GEN 2) is 10gb/s.. *USB-C 3.1 (GEN 1) is 5g/s.. that's all you need to know!!

@Sylvere21

3 жыл бұрын

No, Thunderbolt 3 on some laptops are limited to 20Gbps due to use of only half of PCIe lanes

Thank you. Still clear as mud as far as us mere mortals go.

"Flipping a few times" for USB A is true every time. One flip is never enough.

Comnragulations for 99k subs

That video was so enlightening that I decided that I'm going to teach my cat 🐈 how to set the time on the VCR & the Microwave as well! 🤯

I want to expand my docks on my laptop 💻. I just want to know if there is a Hub with thunderbolt 3 docks; most of them only have usb c for charging. Thanks!

So can you use a use a usb type c in a thunderbolt 3 and vise versa?

In short, usb type C is the connector type and thunderbolt is the medium.

@pqrstzxerty1296

3 жыл бұрын

Protocals

What about answering the main question - What will happen if I put my USB Typ C in a Thunderbolt hole, and vice versa? Do they fit? Should they fit? Does it work? Is it smart? Or should someone hang for this idiocy?

@toshio3772

2 жыл бұрын

thunderbolt 3 uses the same connector as usb c, so yes, it still fits

@robertharker

2 жыл бұрын

@@toshio3772 But does plugging a USB Type C in a Thunderbolt hole, or vice versa harm anything? There is a video standard called HDbaseT that plugging certain devices together can melt the wire... Which might be in the wall... I think it has something to do with POE, Power Over Ethernet.

Are the pinouts for USB-C (USB3.2) and Thunderbolt 3 the same? If not, how do they differ?

Wow. amazing video . I learned a lot and i just subscribed

Totally didn’t get this vid

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

Difference Between Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C? Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max (More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports) Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum. USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds. Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.

@Mont3rAK

3 жыл бұрын

@@HellFire107 what about the shape between that connector?

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mont3rAK The shape of the connector is the same. They both slot into the same size port.

My newest pet peeve is people confusing USB-C and USB 3.1 or 3.2. It happens so often especially with docks and hubs that people are starting to not like "USB-C" because things don't always work as they expect.

@PendelSteven

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I think it even can carry 12 Mbit/s USB 1.0 technically, but I think a deal was made that at the very least it must have the 60 MB/s USB 2.0 speed. Anyhow, just because a device has a USB-C port on it, doesn't mean it's 10 Gb/s USB 3.1. You need to know more.

@mlee6050

Жыл бұрын

Confused by the "USB 3.1" since I know of it as USB type A 3.1

@mufcedits5295

Жыл бұрын

I am one of them, please clear the confusion for me.

@119Agent

Жыл бұрын

@@mufcedits5295 While often associated with USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Gen 2×2, USB-C is not the same thing. USB letter types, like A, B, and C, denote the shape and form of the port and connector, while the number types (3.2, etc.) denote the data transfer capabilities.

@mufcedits5295

Жыл бұрын

@@119Agent Got it. Thank you

Are USB 3 and Thunderbolt cables interchangeable? Can I use the same cable or are they specific?

Just ordered a newer SSD for my new MacBook Pro. Can I use the USB C - USB C cable to plug into my MacBook?

At the end of the day, as I understand it, to take advantage of the 40Gig TB speeds, BOTH devices have to have TB ports. Plugging a USB C to TB will not be able to exceed the USB C's transfer rate. Your transfer rate will always be limited to the slowest port in the chain.... (at least for now I believe..)

@EvertG8086

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

Same thing physically, different protocol

@toshio3772

2 жыл бұрын

yes

That really helped thanks

I know TB3~4 and USB are different protocols just using the same connector (Type C), what I don't understand is: If a Type C connector supports TB 3, "must" it also support USB 3.2 Gen 2 or Gen 2x2? e.g. is it possible for a Type C connector support TB3 and USB 3.2 Gen 1, not support USB 3.2 Gen 2?

Great video, very informative. Well done! The video didn't specifically talk about it, but I suppose by convention, since it's the same physical connector, that the pins (contacts) on the Thunderbolt and USB-C connectors are numbered the same. I'm curious though, is the power and signal pin-out the same for both? I mean, do they use the same power (+5)? Is the power and ground on the same pins? Are the data inputs and outputs on the same pins?

@wasteddude9387

Жыл бұрын

You don't need to pretend the video is good. It clearly is not. If you think the pins are numbered the same, why are you asking whether there are various differences? And if the video is as you say, "Great", "very informative" and "well done!" why do you have so many questions? What do you think the purpose of an informational video is? If an info video lacks info, it's not an info video. Calm down and find a better source of information.

Thank you - to me, that made perfect sense. Yes, a tricky concept to understand as they are not a comparison. I purchased an M1 MBP recently and ordered the wrong power supplies, simply because I could not work out whether the MBP needed USB-C, Thunderbolt-3 or mag-safe. I mistakenly went with mag-safe and had to return both, to be replaced by USB-C/Thunderbolt-3. I could not understand why on Apple’s website that they referred to both but not always on the same page. I struggled to understand... are they USB-C, like my iPad Pro or Thunderbolt-3. In hindsight, and after your clear and concise explanation, it is now so obvious, so thank you! Have subscribed.

@wasteddude9387

Жыл бұрын

To everyone else... No, this comment carries no weight. It's not you. Note the name of this video which includes the word "difference". In other words, "comparison" is definitely the subject matter. However the second sentence in Gee Bee's comment says the video is hard to understand because they are NOT compared. Somehow, Gee Bee got something from the "difference" video by thinking it's NOT a "comparison". So don't assume that the subject matter is too technical for you to understand. The only person more confused than the video's narrator, is Gee Bee. You're fine. You just need to find a good source of information because the narrator clearly doesn't take it seriously.

This stock footage is absolutely SICKENING

Thanks so much fo' lurning me about alla thiss...

It should be noted that Apple designed the USB-C port. But they won’t come out and say that. It was designed to fit on their new, thin laptops. On a Mac Thunderbolt 3 already has the features of TB4 on PCs. It handles SATA and DisplayPort and Thunderbolt Hubbing, where you can daisy chain up to 4 devices on one TB port.

I already know everything about it, but after watching this video I'm just confused I don't know if I learned something new or if the point of this was just to make me think I know nothing about something that I actually know

i have been trying to get my mac air 2 to connect with an adapter to my dell docking station and my mac is not picking up the monitors. Does this mean that i need to switch the docking station to one that supports TB3 and or 4? This is getting expensive and time consuming.

So can you plug in peripherals designed for USB into thunderbolt ports? That's all I wanted to know?

@QudusMystiQ

2 жыл бұрын

yeahh i been wondering the same thing.. i use 3-in-1 usb-c adapter to connect with MIDI controller(digital audio type-c port) and 3.5mm (analog audio port) + fast charge PD3.0 type-c port.. but it fails to connect the MIDI. 🤦🏽 i’d be really appreciate if there’s anyone knows how to solve this 🙏🏾

Unfortunately you fail to mention "bit jitter" for thunderbolt. That leaves USB 3 as the only protocol to support ultra high speed transport. Bit jitter as you know is the same reason we use serial and no longer used parallel transfer. Easier to understand in radio. A signal on a wire at 3 Megahertz travels about 95% of the speed of light. A signal on a wire at 300 Megahertz travels about 85% of the speed of light (best case). So slower changing signals will catch up and overtake faster data rates.

@kensmechanicalaffair

2 жыл бұрын

Wut?

@philpique3187

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting - thank you! I learn a lot from reading the comments on tech videos.

@sammiller6631

Жыл бұрын

Why would raising the frequency change the velocity factor?

@stephenjacks8196

Жыл бұрын

@@sammiller6631 Wires are transmission lines. From ham radio Antenna calculations. (I think at 300 Mhz signals are 85% of light. ) The higher the frequency, the more RF slows down. Signals with fewer bit changes will overtake signals with more bit changes. That's why parallel signals like IDE have maxed out; parallel data is smeared in time at high speeds. Ultra high speed transmission hence can travel reliably further on USB 3.1 than SATA 4 or eSATA or PCIe 4.0

@stephenjacks8196

Жыл бұрын

@@sammiller6631 Higher frequencies cause a "skin effect" where RF power only travels in a thin layer at the Copper surface. Rem not light in a vacuum but electrons interacting with Copper molecular orbitals.

Do you mean that both use the same cord?

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

USB-C cables and Thunderbolt Cables fit in the same port, but the pinout is different. On a USB-C cable, one side has 12 pins and the other has none. With thunderbolt cables, there is 12 pins on one side and 12 pins on the other side for a total of 24 pins.

nice video, i still couldn't found my answer which is ..Well, my laptop ASUS VIVOBOOK S15 has a USB Type-C port that i use to transform data at reasonable speed, am i able to charge my laptop via this port by using a 100w PD type-c cable & a 65w wall adapter ??

Thx fr infmation 🙏😉

A very poor attempt at an educational video. Try answering clearly the question you set yourself.

You forgot to mention that Thunderbolt is the DisplayPort protocol in a USB plug. DisplayPort 2.0 is better than HDMI 2/2.1/2.1a

@johnschroeder3072

Жыл бұрын

No it is not!

@sammiller6631

Жыл бұрын

@@johnschroeder3072 DisplayPort is better. The labelling is clear, unlike that HDMI 2/2.1/2.1a debacle rolling everything into one vague label, so you could end up paying more to get less with HDMI 2.

@johnschroeder3072

Жыл бұрын

@@sammiller6631 I was more referring to the comment "Thunderbolt is the Display Port protocol in a USB plug"

@sammiller6631

Жыл бұрын

@@johnschroeder3072 Thunderbolt _is_ DisplayPort protocol combined with PCIe. This is well documented. Thunderbolt 1 & 2 used mini DisplayPort connectors, but 3 & 4 use USB. It's still using Display Port no matter the connector.

@wasteddude9387

Жыл бұрын

@@sammiller6631 Pardon an objective perspective, but John Schroeder has a point. Your defensive attitude does nothing to enhance your narrow point of view.

4:28 the comparison actually starts.

My Dell 5510 I got from work has a TB3 port which surprised me. So can swap my TB3 dock back and forth between it and my personal MBP.

This is extremely helpful (cynical) so you got one plug which confuses all. So, what happens when you plug into the wrong port (usb into thunderbolt 3 or thunderbolt 3 into usb-c) does it blow things or just not work, or is it for the purpose of use, interchangeable (ignoring speed differences etc)? So, what happens when you get a person who's hardware is beyond their understanding giving all the signal of failure?

@EvertG8086

2 жыл бұрын

Just doesn’t work, although if your buying a thunderbolt device it usually costs 4x the price of the usb-c counterpart. So for the lay person that’s price sensitive you’ll rarely run into that issue.

I'll get into thunderbolt when it's available for PC. I ain't buying apple until they honor right to repair. The nex USB is going to pass thunderbold in speed anyway, so I'll prob just skip thunderbold all together. would go on, but I gotta P.

@johnschroeder3072

Жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt is an intel invention and is on many/most pc's

Still don't know which is which, but also why there's lighting port connection footage in this video?

TLDR. USB and Thunderbolt are like different languages. The generations are like the big change in the type of device people communicate with. So at first morse code, then texting on a number pad, keyboard on phones, then a phone call would be equivalent to the shape of the connector you get on the cable. They developed different so the speed they can talk to a device that speaks their language changes but sometimes like this generation theyre speaking a different language but are using the same device to speak, just one is a super slow version vs thunderbolts shinny fast version. think like sending an email in english and french, one is using dail up the other is using fibre broadband, both are using google mail, just at different speeds. In some other generations its like trying to send an email as a text message (when you have different looking connectors on the cable). If theyre both using the same connector they may not be on the same speed but they arent even speaking the same language. Only if a translation has been done can they talk to each other.

@sammiller6631

Жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt is a marketing label, not a language. Thunderbolt's "language" is DisplayPort which is wired to PCIe hardware.

USB is not and has not been needlessly complicated, any complexity it has is very much intentional and valuable addition to the standard. USB is actually one of the LEAST complicated standards we have ever had. If it fits the socket, it will work and is backwards compatible. If it doesn't fit, it is too old of a model for the requirements of the port, and it can't be used. That is pretty simple This feels more like an Apple fanboy/fangirl commercial

@Galiant2010

2 жыл бұрын

For me the complication lies in the naming standard. USB 3.0 became USB 3.1 Gen 1 when USB 3.1 came out. And then became USB 3.2 Gen 1 when USB 3.2 came out. This can be confusing when someone has an old cable labeled USB 3.0 and wanting to maximize data transfer rates and looking at a port that says USB 3.2 Gen 1. Basically, the same transfer speed has had 3 different names over the years. Why did they need to change the names?!

@Songfugel

2 жыл бұрын

@@Galiant2010 Agree, but that isn't quite how it goes. 3.1 has 1st and 2nd gen versions. While 3.2 has 4 different versions, all with very different specs edit: originally misread your comment

@davoudtaghawi-nejad6780

Жыл бұрын

Patiently incorrect. Usb C 2.0 will vor Not power your notebook. Thunderbolt usb data will not be transferred via your non thunderbolt cable. You displayport data will not be transported over your non display port enabled usb C cable...

@Songfugel

Жыл бұрын

@@davoudtaghawi-nejad6780 You are just ignorant and are mixing things you don't understand. Type C is a header type, not the USB gen type. IF you are using hybrid cables with Type A and Type C, ofc it will only work with the lowest common wiring inside the cable HOWEVER Type C ports are smart enough to flip the wiring and to communicate with the device what max specs they have available, and use those ps. USB A's are even color coded so people like you can more easily understand their max capabilities

This wasn't helpful at all. You made it so complicated.

Underrated channel. The algorithm is weird. I got a video with 4 times the views as this and it's total garbage. The audio is completely impossible to hear, and it's 6 year old me being a fucking idiot.

So if you plug a Thunderbolt 3 device into a USB protocol slot it will be speed limited by the available USB protocol of the slot or it will not function at all ? Rhetorical Question. I have not personally used any thunderbolt 3 devices. Just curious.

USB-C will remain the preferred connection, by far, in 99% of devices around the world. Thunderbolt has very few practical advantages, such as for those using external graphic cards, which is a rather minute niche.

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

Truth, but besides external graphics cards, Thunderbolt docking stations :)

@mistersniffer6838

Жыл бұрын

We will see what your overlords say about that!

"USB type A is still the most common type" Dell xps 13 and mac book Pro users hello are we a joke here

@nicetime6609

3 жыл бұрын

F to all apple useres with a iphone 12 and a new macbook who cant charge theire divice ;D

@zhaiketoledo3658

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicetime6609 Yup my parents baught 1 i question why didnt u stop them

@nicetime6609

3 жыл бұрын

@@zhaiketoledo3658 I am sorry I try my best next time

@robertharker

2 жыл бұрын

Not a joke, but in the overall laptop/computer market, not very common. Less than 10%. I suspect that micro USB is far more common than Type-C and probably more common than Type-A because of smartphones and all the other small devices in our day to day lives.

This video reminded me my seminar presentation as a kid in high school. I had to appear in presentation twice 🥲

Wow, that actually made sense! Thank you.

@Lusifer666ful

Жыл бұрын

Can you explain then? Because all I got was that USB - C was just the shape/style of USB.

Is it possible to acceess an Android 9's phone data plan via usb-c to rj45? Im trying to see a remote off-grid IP camera (non wifi) via an app on my Android phone, but I don't have a router.

why this much lengthy., why cant make it short., we dnt want the history from world war 1., just tell wats the diff and end the video., wtf

@deannelson1388

2 жыл бұрын

Lol ..ww1 .. i like your humour, and you are correct.

Let's make this simple. Both are the same port. Usb-c uses a standard communication across Supported devices and ports. Thunderbolt uses a usb-c port but uses a different communication standard. Everybody has a front door with a knob (usb-c) and a deadbolt (thundetbolt). Both the mounting holes (ports) cut in the door are the exact same size and can accept either a knob (usb-c) or deadbolt (thunderbolt) however the door jam (device) has a different depth hole for the deadbolt, the deadbolt will fit the hole for the knob but will not funtion properly because the receiver is not deep enough. vise versa the knob can function properly in the deadbolt hole because it doesn't require a deeper receiver like the deadbolt does. Its not the port its what happens on the other side of the port that's different.

Since USB C and Thunderbolt 3 use the same connector, what prevents accidental missplug of these, one into the other jack?

So I am now more confused than I was before watching this video lol

This video was a complete waste of my time. It made me more confused

I am so confused after watching this video 🥵

@TH-uz3sc

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta be the worst explanation ever lol

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt 3 vs. USB-C Speed: Thunderbolt 3/4 = 40 GBPS vs USB-C = 10 GBPS max (More speed = being able to use higher resolution/higher resolution displays, external graphics cards and more ports) Thunderbolt uses PCI lanes while USB-C does not. This is one of the largest differences and the reason why Thunderbolt is so much faster than USB-C Power Delivery: Thunderbolt cables can usually deliver 100W+ of power to a supported device while the best USB-C cables can do roughly 65W maximum. USB-C is like a normal USB-A port in a different shape which can be given special attributes such as power delivery and display port and slightly higher speeds. Thunderbolt is a cable/connection that can do it all and quickly utilizing high speed PCI lanes. Dual 4K displays, External Graphics cards, Gigabyte ethernet, crap ton of power delivery, power button, aux port... everything.

@shawan4545

3 жыл бұрын

@@HellFire107 really appreciate your effort

@HellFire107

3 жыл бұрын

@@shawan4545 Hope it helps 🙈

@shawan4545

3 жыл бұрын

@@HellFire107 definitely buddy, better than the video

Thank you for this informative video.

Do i need to thunderbolt on mobos and the case to connect the the thunderbolt cables for it?