Three Forgeries vs. One Genuine: How Did Mark's Gospel Originally End?

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In this short clip I explore what is perhaps the most critical question related to understanding Mark's Gospel--How did it originally end? In the Mark course we explore this in depth.
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  • @maarit.gneleah
    @maarit.gneleah Жыл бұрын

    Dr. Tabor, I 💕 it that you're so youtube-generous. I'm new to studying the Bible "this way". I'd been reading it alone - influenced by apologists - however, going to them with the Biblical contradictions one keeps running into leads to huge frustration. So, I had to start looking for answers elsewhere; found you via MythVision. Feels like I may be picking up an addiction to your content...

  • @guillermoostapczuk541

    @guillermoostapczuk541

    Жыл бұрын

    it makes two of us

  • @stevenv6463

    @stevenv6463

    Жыл бұрын

    Ditto. I recommend his books too.

  • @guillermoostapczuk541
    @guillermoostapczuk541 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you dr Tabor and Derek for sharing this priceless information with us.

  • @a.t.6322
    @a.t.6322 Жыл бұрын

    This is a small yet incredibly insightful video. I think Dr.Tabor is spot on here. This is the bull’s-eye moment. For the writer of the gospel of Mark, Christ has indeed been risen, but HOW is the big question mark at the end of his gospel. And only the anonymous young man in the tomb, the secret initiate, the one who ventured far enough into the depths of Christ’s death, knows for sure.

  • @AR-tb9hq
    @AR-tb9hq Жыл бұрын

    bought the course, looking forward to it!

  • @rongoins3943
    @rongoins3943 Жыл бұрын

    Many are watching in Waco. We like you.

  • @Robert_L_Peters
    @Robert_L_Peters Жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @davekearney1944
    @davekearney1944 Жыл бұрын

    Some wanted to "improve" the ending of Mark to suit their needs. I think it's perfect as it is, especially if you consider the gospel of Mark as a script for a stage production. It's actually a comedy, and the final verse is the punchline. For the entirety of Mark, Jesus orders one and all not to tell anyone about his miracles. He wants it all to stay on the down low. When the news is finally to be broadcast, when the time has come to spread the word, the women run away and that's that. The angel et al must have been very disappointed.

  • @RockReynolds
    @RockReynolds Жыл бұрын

    I grew up with the "Standard Revised Version" of the Bible, and I distinctly remember that verses after Ch 16, v 8, were a footnote. --- BTW, Chapter 8 of John was ALSO a footnote. I absolutely agree, that the three extant "additional" endings of "Mark" are "Fake News". --- But acceptance that the three endings are "Fake News" (as I believe), presents a much bigger "Problem", than that identified by Dr. Tabor. --- First, to the question, "Does Mark include a 'Resurrection'?", a correct answer would be, "Mark's Gospel contains NO WITNESS to a 'Resurrection', only an implication of a 'Resurrection', an implication that was KEPT SECRET, to all but three females, who did not tell anybody else." --- Second, although the man clothed in the long white garment, told the three females, to "tell the disciples and Peter", the three females DID NOT TELL THE DISCIPLES AND PETER, because they said "nothing to anyone". --- Third, MOST IMPORTANTLY, the statement, which I believe, that the three females "said nothing to anyone", renders the account in Matthew, Ch 28, v 8, that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, "did run to bring his disciples word", to have been a LIE. --- Matthew and Mark CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER. AT LEAST ONE OF THE TWO AUTHORS IS WRONG. That's why additional endings were needed. Especially the "Fake News" ending, that "except Mary told the Disciples", was REQUIRED, OBVIOUSLY to coverup this enormous problem. --- Fourth, although the three females in Mark "said nothing to anyone", OBVIOUSLY, eventually, at least one of the females said SOMETHING to SOMEONE, for the story to have been included in Mark's Gospel. How long did the period of "Silence" last????? The words written in Mark, IMPLY that the period of silence lasted for a considerable time. Of course, if the period of female silence lasted only an hour, then there is no conflict with Matthew. I am a believer, that the period of silence was considerable (at least a year, probably a decade). Mark's Gospel DOES CONFLICT with the Book of Matthew, as these two books often CONFLICT. --- Fifth, a minor, yet revealing issue, is that Mark allowed females to act as witnesses!!! Hey, it's not MY rule!!! But in the time of Jesus, females were prohibited from acting as "witnesses". For Mark to have allowed female "witness testimony" into the Gospel, shows that Mark was willing to bend "Court Rules", to achieve an agenda. I disagree with Dr. Tabor, that Ch 16, v 8, is a proper ending, for a legal document, wishing to prove that Jesus was "Christ". --- Twenty years ago, there were Internet sites (at least three), claiming that there WERE AUTHENTIC VERSES AFTER CH 16, VERSE 8, but that those original, authentic verses were now MISSING. I can no longer find Internet sites that make that claim. --- HOWEVER, I make that claim myself, based on the very first verse of Mark, which starts, "The beginning of the Gospel...". If the Lawyers (scribes) who wrote Mark's Gospel, were detailed enough to identify the "beginning" of THE Gospel, then they would have also been detailed enough, to identify the "ending" of THE Gospel. Thus, I claim, that there WAS an authentic ending to Mark, AFTER Ch 16, v 8, which ended with the verse, "The end of the Gospel, of Jesus Christ, son of God," and there is no such verse in the "Fake News" endings. What I believe. --- I believe in the existence and the importance of Jesus, as the "Greatest Messenger in Universe History". --- I believe that Jesus survived the so-called "Crucifixion", and that the writers of Mark, had to come up with an Official reason. --- But I do not believe in the so-called "Resurrection", because I believe, as Qu'ran 157 states, that the "Crucifixion" APPEARED TO HAPPEN, but DID NOT HAPPEN. --- Has such a "false witness" event, ever happened at any other time in man's history??? --- Coincidentally, just 20 years ago, Nelson Mandela APPEARED to die, but did not die, just like Jesus in the Qu'ran! Just within the last 20 years, the phrase "Mandela Effect" has entered into the "Collective Consciousness" of man. --- Even for those who do not believe in the "Mandela Effect", you gotta admit, that such a story entering into our Collective Consciousness just 20 years ago, providing POSSIBLE CORROBORATION of a fantastic tale from a book (Qu'ran), written 1,500 years ago, is quite a coincidence. Rock Reynolds (AKA: Roger Reynard)

  • @farrardm
    @farrardm Жыл бұрын

    At Time: 08:58 minutes, Mr. Tabor, states, "Now, I don't want to get give it all away because I want you to learn." I was thinking how much better it would have been if he had added, "And I have to eat, too." or something to that effect?

  • @tjwhite1963

    @tjwhite1963

    Жыл бұрын

    You hit the nail on the head 👏

  • @termination9353

    @termination9353

    Жыл бұрын

    This guy is completely wrong. The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.

  • @stevenkarner6872

    @stevenkarner6872

    Жыл бұрын

    @@termination9353 I also read "The Last Templar". It is a novel. Completely fiction. Do you have some other source or proof that no one else is aware of?

  • @viz8746
    @viz8746 Жыл бұрын

    Secondly, the first clue to Mark is in the very first verse with the very deliberate inclusion of the word “Euangelion” (mis)translated as “Gospel” - it is more of a Roman/Caesarian referencing a new Emperor’s birth - so we see which way this is headed and the compulsions for an abrupt ending for the “Kingdom of God"

  • @edwardmiessner6502

    @edwardmiessner6502

    9 ай бұрын

    So this gospel is loosely copied off of a biography of Julius Caesar. His life ends with a violent death and at his funeral his wax images was nailed on a cruciform tropaeum. Francesco Carotta, _Was Jesus Caesar?_ _The Gospel of Caesar_ (KZread video) The exposition of the wax image was replicated for subsequent Caesars (Justin Martyr, _1 Apology_ 55).

  • @koreyoneal2623
    @koreyoneal2623 Жыл бұрын

    It's rather interesting though if you look at Codex Sinaiticus , whether it was made in the 1800's or about 350 like is claimed , whoever wrote it left an empty space where the "long ending" should be

  • @AJ-zr4fc
    @AJ-zr4fc Жыл бұрын

    Dr Tabor, in your retirement you are getting a definite 'Einstein hair' look, fluff it out just a bit more and stick out your tongue once in awhile. LOL... Love your stuff. 😉 You rock!

  • @Jake-zc3fk
    @Jake-zc3fk Жыл бұрын

    I’m committed to some projects now that preclude me from studying this course and attending the online portion. If I sign up will I be able to at least view the Zoom portions between Dr. Tabor and the students?

  • @methylmike
    @methylmike Жыл бұрын

    For sure your most peculiar and wonderful communication trait is the occasional sound fx inserted. What's ur favorite band?

  • @billthomas8205
    @billthomas8205 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you, James, for essential research on Mark, which I love, & your videos & courses, which I find extremely fulfilling. Having done the first lesson of the Mark course, I wonder if the following would be relevant: when the voice at Jesus's baptism says "you are my beloved son," do you see connections to Genesis 22 & the sacrifice of Isaac: "take your son, your beloved son & sacrifice him to me"? My lecturers at Mansfield College told us that the death of Jesus is manifest from the beginning of Mark, "if you have ears..." - this guy, like Isaac, is born to die, but there's no substitutionary ram. Just "here you go, stick with me & you'll meet a sticky end."

  • @edwardmiessner6502

    @edwardmiessner6502

    9 ай бұрын

    Ugh, that last line was a terrible joke!! 😣😩😫

  • @viz8746
    @viz8746 Жыл бұрын

    Lastly and perhaps critically - John Mark also fell out with Paul in Pamphylia and abandoned him, causing friction between Paul and Barnabas (John Mark’s cousin) per Acts 15:38. Or if you follow Patristic tradition in hermeneutics, disidentifying Acts' John Mark with Mark the Evangelist identified exclusively with Peter, then perhaps even better a reason for the ending at mark 16:8, Irenaeus notwithstanding.

  • @lovetwentyfourseven7428
    @lovetwentyfourseven74286 ай бұрын

    If they had a copy let’s say( it would seem to be harder to add to the beginning but that’s also possible(and adding to the end seems like it would be easier. At any point where a page turns over to a new page.

  • @lovetwentyfourseven7428
    @lovetwentyfourseven74286 ай бұрын

    In the Greek it originally alluded to kurios as Jesus. And despotes for jehova; you can still see it remains in some areas where despotes is denoted as higher than kurios.

  • @kenkaplan3654
    @kenkaplan3654 Жыл бұрын

    This all fits strikingly with the Shroud of Turin. He ain't there. His body was extinguished in a brilliant flash of light, leaving the image and the cloth. What an amazing thing it has survived. He appears in vision and dreams (which I have had with my own Guru).. Slowly over time the visionary experiences, which are real in their own way, become concretized into a bodily experience, for that is what people can understand, can grasp. The other is too ethereal for the common person..

  • @a.t.6322

    @a.t.6322

    Жыл бұрын

    @ Ken Kaplan Interestingly enough the shroud crossed my mind also as Dr. Tabor began to speak. I wonder what his thoughts are on the shroud.

  • @kenkaplan3654

    @kenkaplan3654

    Жыл бұрын

    @@a.t.6322 Apparently he has fallen for the now discredited 1988 severely flawed carbon dating test and questions the weave of the SOT as being first century. Very disappointing. Many of these scholars including Derek shy away from personal religious tendencies or like Crossan dislike mysticism. I think they believe having a positive opinion on the Shroud will hurt their "scholarly objectivity". Mythvision is foundationally a materialist-rationalist site. Although there are excellent interviews, it has strong limitations. One can get tired of the never ending podcasts about "was Jesus an historical figure"?

  • @edwardmiessner6502

    @edwardmiessner6502

    9 ай бұрын

    Maybe he was teleported onto the USS Enterprise? Jesus: _Is teleported_ Dr. McCoy: "Get this man to Sick Bay!"

  • @kenkaplan3654

    @kenkaplan3654

    9 ай бұрын

    @@edwardmiessner6502 There are many accounts of high Eastern Yogis able to materialize and dematerialize their bodies as well as bilocate ( two or more places at once) Padre Pio of Italy could do this in the 20th century. So for me the resurrection is not that big a deal. It fits with what he might have been (which was what Hinduism would call an Avatar) It does not confirm Christian doctrine or belief about him or his life.

  • @shawncoleman8530

    @shawncoleman8530

    2 ай бұрын

    There is a lot of overlap with other religions in the gospels

  • @MBiernat0711
    @MBiernat0711 Жыл бұрын

    Hmmm … Mark’s Jesus did not NEED the “great commission” ending - since Mark’s Jesus already teaches the gentiles and heals the legions of demons out of them ;)

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo Жыл бұрын

    The RSV was based on the Westcott and Hort Text, which replaced the entire Textus Receptus with the Gnostic renderings of the New Testament from the Sinaiticus and the Vaticanus. It was not for Mark alone but for all the deletions of the text, which had been in use for the better part of 20 centuries. Westcott and Hort were eventually exposed for their skulduggery and the later translations, although still based on the Gnostic texts, focused less on the Gnostic agenda.

  • @edwardmiessner6502
    @edwardmiessner65029 ай бұрын

    Mark 15:39 where the Centurion says, "Surely this man is the son of God!" closed the Markan sandwich opened at Mark 1:1, "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ the Son of God." John Dominic Crossan thinks gMark ended with the Centurion's exclamation.

  • @user-cf6yq3yv4y
    @user-cf6yq3yv4y4 ай бұрын

    Why not believe each wrote their own experiences and versions of their memories best they could of working along side of Jesus?

  • @lovetwentyfourseven7428
    @lovetwentyfourseven74286 ай бұрын

    Seems like people would be able to add to a paper if they wanted to; they could add to the end of it easily. If they had these originally anyone could easily add words to the end.

  • @samiamthatiam407
    @samiamthatiam407 Жыл бұрын

    In Mark 1:2-3 of the KJV, it says "As it is written in the prophets..." "Prophets" is pluralized because what is written after that is a combination of Malachi 3:1 and Isaiah 40:3. Other bible versions incorrectly just say "...as it is written in Isaiah the prophet..." Mark then indicates that the messenger is John the Baptist. Could the messenger actually be Jesus instead? Jesus did spend 40 days in the wilderness after being baptized by John.

  • @EXISTENCE1891
    @EXISTENCE1891 Жыл бұрын

    Everyone should become a Taborite

  • @rylands4289

    @rylands4289

    Ай бұрын

    Thats terrible, count me in

  • @stevenv6463
    @stevenv6463 Жыл бұрын

    Wow some of those endings sound like some medieval goodie two shoes monk wrote it.

  • @Darisiabgal7573
    @Darisiabgal7573 Жыл бұрын

    Why I dont believe the passion narrative. "It wasn't called the resurrection"

  • @tongakhan230
    @tongakhan230 Жыл бұрын

    The prophecy at 2 Timothy 3:13 may be apt.

  • @zyme607
    @zyme607 Жыл бұрын

    Doesn't ὲγείρω (egeiro) also mean "wake up"? Didn't even the other meanings "get up", "lift up", and even "erect a building" derive from "wake up"? Passive means that Jesus didn't wake up / get up / lift up by himself, but by external action (from God?). Greek words often may be ambiguous. But the "resurrection story" of Mark doesn't come at the end, but in Mark 9,1-10.

  • @viz8746
    @viz8746 Жыл бұрын

    Fourth - It is futile to try and make sense of Mark without contemplating the possible influence Paul may have had on John-Mark and Peter from Galatians 1:18 and the “fifteen days (Paul swears under oath before God) with Cephas (Peter)” in Jerusalem three years after Arabia and Damascus, before he flees back to Tarsus for 9-10 years with his father’s tent business. - With Christology it is best to work backwards from Paul (and to an extend Acts followed by Luke), since there are largely first person testimonies.

  • @viz8746
    @viz8746 Жыл бұрын

    Third - Mark 16:5 “Young Man” makes little sense unless twinned with 14:51-52’s “Young Man” and his “linen garment” that he “left behind” - and no, it is not about collective apostolic “shame at abandoning Christ” nor in fact about Mark tangentially introducing himself (or even Peter) into the narrative.

  • @fredbarney3558
    @fredbarney3558 Жыл бұрын

    Question. Is John 14:12-15 a forgery also? John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

  • @gflem
    @gflem Жыл бұрын

    Dr Tabor, Are you saying that the gospel of Mark ends the same way that the Sopranos TV series ended? The audience is wondering what on earth just happened??

  • @onedaya_martian1238

    @onedaya_martian1238

    Жыл бұрын

    But the audience DOES know what happened ! Tony died, just like jezuz. The End.

  • @gflem

    @gflem

    Жыл бұрын

    @@onedaya_martian1238 I think Tony soprano’s death was debated for a long time. And eventually the Director or the writer came out and said yeah he agreed tony died. But his debate it for a while

  • @onedaya_martian1238

    @onedaya_martian1238

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gflem Our own end will be like that. I was in a car accident. I saw the car hit me and the next thing I knew, I opened my eyes in a ditch. One day, these episodes called one-day-at-a-time will just go black like the movie. I'm sure the Directory was disappointed people couldn't figure that out.

  • @McadMcad
    @McadMcad2 ай бұрын

    Lifted him up ?

  • @codymadison9993
    @codymadison9993 Жыл бұрын

    You need the Holy Spirit to discern truth. If you’re not living a consecrated life and spending time in Gods presence in your prayer room, if you can’t hear Him speaking into your spirit, you are leaning on your own under and do not have truth. God confirms His word with signs and wonders. If you’re not seeing these things, healing or demons being cast out for example, you might want to rethink some things. The true gospel is in power, demonstrations of Gods power by the Holy Spirit, it’s not in word alone or debating.

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo Жыл бұрын

    Mark 14:28 - But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee. Mark 16:7 - But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. This same thing is recorded in Matthew. In Galilee is where Jesus gives the Great Commission. Sometime later (over a month later), Jesus appears again to them in Jerusalem at the Feast of Pentecost, where He tells them not to leave (i.e. "Tarry in Jerusalem..."). Does Matthew record the fishing expedition in Galilee that John records? Nope. Does that mean, it didn't happen? Nope. Does Luke record the Great Commission? Nope. Does that mean, it didn't happen? Nope. Do any of the gospels claim to be an exhaustive account of EVERYTHING Jesus did and said? Nope. Quite the contrary. Is basing your religion on a fraction of God's word an honest pursuit of godliness? Nope. Marcion cut out a lot of the New Testament and all of the Old Testament. Does that make Marcion a noble fundamentalist or a fool?

  • @carminefragione4710
    @carminefragione4710 Жыл бұрын

    The Gospel was the Oral Tradition of teaching the Kingdom of God, and how it became written and how it varies, is a separate question. It was not important that the Gospel be identical in all written forms. Just as Oral Tradition was practiced by Jesus Christ, he did not write anything except with a finger in the dust, then trying to impeach Christianity based on the human invention of handwriting is a fundamental trick of Magic and Sorcery, to obtain a false conclusion. Thus the basic themes of oral preaching about the Kingdom of God, through Jesus , is the gravamen, the only real center of gravity of any importance. So these critics realize their own incompetence, but as it is, enough stupid people will give them money to perpetuate whatever they want to hear.

  • @dadsonworldwide3238
    @dadsonworldwide3238 Жыл бұрын

    These exact things where being argued even before Jesus came. With so much laid down in the dead sea scrolls about what incarnation was and which groups believed it and who was taking it out of the Torah was as huge them as it today. This lifred up is very much in line with conservative Baptist Methodist or evangelical as you refer to it beliefs. All 3 levels of practical ,physical and spiritual are at work. Phrasesee and sagecee was being very much moderate and progressive in a modern since just like today the temple had been stripped and puppets placed into it no different than America doing with zelensky as a modern reference.

  • @TomCarberry413
    @TomCarberry413 Жыл бұрын

    One could read Mark 16:6 -- "he is risen" -- as meaning he did not die on the cross. Ralph Ellis argues that Jesus did not die on the cross but went into exile in England. Who knows? Not me.

  • @kenkaplan3654

    @kenkaplan3654

    Жыл бұрын

    The Shroud of Turin would argue against that

  • @TomCarberry413

    @TomCarberry413

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kenkaplan3654 The Shroud of Turin shows an old man's face, while almost all scholars argue Jesus died at about age 33 (the Freemasonic number). Relatively recently academics have dated the shroud as between 1260 to 1390 AD. I believe in the authenticity of the shroud and believe Jesus died during the 13th century, but of old age in England. I don't think a single event in either the Old or New Testament occurred in the tiny, desert country we call Israel today. No reasonable person would say tiny, desert Israel fits the description of Israel as a large land of milk and honey in Exodus 3:8. Despite its centrality to Christian doctrine, I don't think Jesus died on the cross. I think Joseph of Arimethea took him down, he survived, and went into exile in England. I think the crucifixion happened in Barcelona, Spain, which fits Jerusalem perfectly according to Biblical descriptions. The Catholic Church crucified Jesus during the Cathar inquisition. And the Catholic Church has altered all of history through its absolute control of all centers of learning for centuries. James Tabor argues for someone with the name Pantera as the father of Jesus. We have an important medieval leader who fits this name -- Richard the Lionheart, the son of Eleanor of Aquitaine, King of England and Aquitaine.

  • @kenkaplan3654

    @kenkaplan3654

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TomCarberry413 "The Shroud of Turin shows an old man's face, while almost all scholars argue Jesus died at about age 33 (the Freemasonic number)". No the photo negative the Shroud produced *looks* like an old man but has 3D holographic properties. When reconstructed the person is young." Relatively recently academics have dated the shroud as between 1260 to 1390 AD. You are talking about carbon dating of 1988 which was terribly flawed. because they used a resewn corner from the fire. When one can explain the specific Roman coins on the eyes traced to a special mint done by Pilate in 29CE (there are only 5 in the world) and explain how that image, front and back got on that cloth and how the blood and other marks on the Sudarium (separate face covering) up perfectly with those on the Shroud, among dozens of other authentic pieces of evidence, them we can talk.

  • @TomCarberry413

    @TomCarberry413

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kenkaplan3654 "Then we can talk." LOL. Once I accept your premises then we can talk. Take care. Keep an open mind, which unfortunately religious belief makes very hard.

  • @kydoctorsforlife8728
    @kydoctorsforlife8728 Жыл бұрын

    The problem I have with going with the shortest ending for the Gospel of Mark is that it does seem like the Gospel is unbalanced, missing the last piece of the chiastic structure of the macro-structure. But Tabor is right that around that place in the text is meant to be the ending of a major section and, if made into a theatrical performance, would be the end of an Act/sub-Act

  • @farrardm

    @farrardm

    Жыл бұрын

    The last part is left to be filled in by your own divine essence.

  • @todradmaker4297

    @todradmaker4297

    Жыл бұрын

    @@farrardm Exactly. I was going to reply that Mark is leaving it up to the reader to take up the charge from there.

  • @kenkaplan3654

    @kenkaplan3654

    Жыл бұрын

    It's like the ending of the Sopranos except here it seems Mark wants to inspire mystery, awe, shock and if resurrection were primarily in dream and vision, it would make perfect sense. something unfathomable has happened.

  • @mikahans3441
    @mikahans3441 Жыл бұрын

    Like pharisien you keep keys of the words .;; it’s your inheritance you give away just to make money here

  • @rainman7769
    @rainman7769 Жыл бұрын

    It's confusing religion, the books contradict each other, Jesus and Paul breach different than each other, no thanks, am good.

  • @AR-tb9hq

    @AR-tb9hq

    Жыл бұрын

    ok bye

  • @termination9353

    @termination9353

    Жыл бұрын

    This guy is completely wrong. The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.

  • @nohbuddy1

    @nohbuddy1

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@termination9353 There was no "publishing" books in the 1st century lol

  • @termination9353

    @termination9353

    6 ай бұрын

    @@nohbuddy1 Yes their was publishing. Hand copying.

  • @nohbuddy1

    @nohbuddy1

    6 ай бұрын

    @@termination9353 They were scrolls, not like modern books

  • @bogardus11
    @bogardus11 Жыл бұрын

    Did you know that the disciples were illiterate. None of them wrote one thing, by their own hand. AND.... These inserts into the bible: they were all written 1000 years after Jesus and the disciples were all dead.

  • @jdaze1
    @jdaze1 Жыл бұрын

    I was resurrected in 2016. Raised to new life. I crucified my will to do my Fathers will. (Crucifixion of the flesh). When people figure out the gospels are spiritual metaphor and not literal, then wisdom has come to you. Let him who hath WISDOM understand. Wisdom is THE hidden pearl of great value. Wisdom, knowledge and understanding brings Salvation. The LIGHT of life. Salvation came to the house of Zacheus long before any cross story. Also to the prodigal son. Salvation = REPENTANCE. Death to SELF. The morning star (light) rises within you into new life. Thus the christ (light of wisdom) within you is the hope of glory. Gotta establish truth line upon line precept upon precept.

  • @skronked
    @skronked Жыл бұрын

    How much is the course??

  • @sso1834

    @sso1834

    Жыл бұрын

    US$39.95 (on sale right now) click on course link in description

  • @termination9353
    @termination9353 Жыл бұрын

    This guy is completely wrong. The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.

  • @GizmoFromPizmo
    @GizmoFromPizmo Жыл бұрын

    Harmonizing the gospels is not the road to ruin that Tabor would have us believe. One account of anything is not careful research. A policeman wants the witness of several people to come to a conclusion. The bible itself tells us, "By the mouth of two or three witnesses, let all things be established." It is foolish to isolate any of the gospels from the others. These are first century accounts of the teachings, the life and times of Jesus the Savior. Anybody who would cut himself off from these witnesses is the antithesis of noble but is rather completely foolish.

  • @slik00silk84
    @slik00silk84 Жыл бұрын

    Another commercial!!!!!!!!

  • @brassteeth3355
    @brassteeth3355 Жыл бұрын

    These protestants are dangerous.

  • @stevenv6463

    @stevenv6463

    Жыл бұрын

    Which Protestants? Dr. Tabor isn't a Protestant.

  • @jabbrewoki
    @jabbrewoki Жыл бұрын

    Swoon theory. He was only mostly dead. Wrapped up in a cool cave, he recovered. Why else would a story have someone stick their fingers in a wound. Black swan event. It's why Christianity made it, a pseudo miracle happened.

  • @edwardmiessner6502

    @edwardmiessner6502

    9 ай бұрын

    Except the wound anecdote only appears in John. In John 19 the Centurion merely pricks Jesus in the side, and in John 20 the wound became big enough for Thomas to stick his hand in. Curiouser and curiouser. 🤔

  • @viz8746
    @viz8746 Жыл бұрын

    First off, Peter was hostile to Mary Magdalene: From Gospel of Thomas 114 - "(114) Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.”"

  • @codymadison9993

    @codymadison9993

    Жыл бұрын

    Gospel of Thomas is fake gnostic garbage. Christ didn’t do miracles as a boy for example. This is why we need to Holy Spirit to discern truth.

  • @robsellars9338
    @robsellars9338 Жыл бұрын

    If Mark 16 is the authentic ending, then doesn't that suggest that Jesus survived the crucifixion? ( Galilee was full of poppy fields which were rumoured to be able to wake the dead ). This theory is consistent with the unusually short time taken for Jesus crucification death. Jesus is then free to live out his time as the "teacher" in the deserts of Qumran as an exile but still have authority over his families dynastic movement. He would be aged around 70yrs at the time of the Jewish rebellion and possibly died at Massada. He would have been a legend to his followers but not a God, it would have made his Nazarine movement quite large for his family who carried on the visible political struggle against Rome.

  • @berglen100
    @berglen100 Жыл бұрын

    Just go north with no coat or warm protection, South might need something so read about it, east and west make four reason so don't doubt many diversions about why but maybe sun dance old way will help. Your of coarse smarter than Neville Goddard at least he was free teachings of coarse to me he was better than your opinions. If you pay me then I might actually watch when I drink beer.

  • @stevenkarner6872

    @stevenkarner6872

    Жыл бұрын

    Where are you from? I ask because it is obvious that English is not your first language. Perhaps you are losing somethings in translation?

  • @slik00silk84
    @slik00silk84 Жыл бұрын

    Another commercial!!!!!!!!