They destroyed the clone, and the Galaxy paid the price. Thrawn would have led the forces of the Empire and Republic and minimize the destruction caused by the Vong...

@vineethphilip3969

4 жыл бұрын

most important of all, he would be able to understand their art

@papawedge7396

4 жыл бұрын

Well, it could have been worse if they destroyed the whole Empire.

@warlordgrandadmiralthrawn1096

4 жыл бұрын

If only.

@nickgennady

2 жыл бұрын

@@papawedge7396 if they destroyed the Empire than Vong would have won.

@Kolonol1

8 ай бұрын

@@nickgennady dafuq? Lol

I really liked The Empire of The Hand. This the best version of the Empire. All the resources and might of an Empire without Old Palpy's xenophobia, inefficient bureaucracy, and stupidity from inept commanders to Grand Moffs. If I was a character in a Star Wars, I'd gladly join the Empire of The Hand, even as a stormtrooper!

@ArK047

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention no magocracy run by Force-users.

@jaymikevillanueva1212

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArK047 Problem is the public (as in, the every day person) doesn't understand Force users. Both the Jedi and the Sith are at fault for this and they are both responsible for the dumbest and life-wasting conflicts in SW lore. I'm not saying I dislike Force users. On the contrary, they are valuable assests once you understand their talents and take steps to make sure they don't get too arrogant at this. This is why Grey Jedi or independent minded force users with no affiliation to any order are the kind of Force users you'd want. They make good allies. The more I read about the Jedi and the Sith, the more I despise both of them. I think Thrawn would be wary at dealing with either side and would rather avoid working with them. Grey "Jedi" or free-thinking Force users would be the kind of allies Thrawn may need given their pragmatism and penchant to be more low key about using the Force. That makes them unpredictable and effective combatants because they'll use unconventional tactics and weapons to win any battle.

@mansm7968

3 жыл бұрын

I would join as well

@lenkagamine4145

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaymikevillanueva1212 Can you tell me a single way in which the jedi are responsible for any conflict in star wars history?

@AAhmou

3 жыл бұрын

@Len Kagamine While technically it was the Republic which decided to carry this operation, you can still see the consequences: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Post%E2%80%93Great_Hyperspace_War_counterinvasion

The First Order should've been more like the Empire of the Hand; no Death Star rip-off, no Sidious rip-off, no Vader rip-off, actually interesting leaders, etc.

@Kolonol1

4 жыл бұрын

@Lance Salter rogue one used some good ideas but they completely removed any hope of there not being continuity errors since they removed the Bothans...which was a big rallying point in the speech from Mon mothmas before the death star assualt...Disney screwed the pooch big time... And now they supposedly "leaked" George Lucas original plan for the sequel trilogy...which is a complete fabrication because I have copies of all original 9 scripts as of the first airing of ANH...and they are not what Disney "leaked"

@ltb1345

4 жыл бұрын

Kolonol1 I get what you're saying, but that was actually the 2nd Death Star that the Bothans got the plans for.

@Kolonol1

4 жыл бұрын

@@ltb1345 death star 1 is in a new hope is it not?

@Kolonol1

4 жыл бұрын

@Rising Horizon Gaming that's only half true... All nine of them were written in around 1978... So it was all planned out... But he never did decide entirely whether he wanted to actually do it or not

@ltb1345

4 жыл бұрын

Rising Horizon Gaming He flip flopped on weather he would make them, but he did have an entire outline written out for episodes 7-8.

Coruscant: you now serve the empire!!! liberated planet: nah, we'd rather serve Thrawn Coruscant: shocked pikachu face

Chiss lore is one of the most interesting pieces of Star Wars legends to me. Glad to see another video on the Chiss and Eoth.

@Rishi123456789

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you, the Chiss are my most favourite species in the entire Star Wars franchise.

One of my favourite factions from Star Wars.

@Rishi123456789

2 жыл бұрын

It's by far my most favourite faction from Star Wars.

For a faction created to fight the vong they played a suprisingly minor role in the vong war. I even can't remember reading about them in the new jedi order books.

@TheGgrrmanning

4 жыл бұрын

That's because the Vong War wasn't written by Zhan. So the writers of that series either forgot they exist, didn't wanna use them, or Zhan wouldn't allow it.

@marckrieger3277

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheGgrrmanning Well they played part in the fate of the jedi books.

@TheGgrrmanning

4 жыл бұрын

@@marckrieger3277 When was that?

@marckrieger3277

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheGgrrmanning Fell called ships of the empire of the hand when attacking daala. I can't say which book probably the last one.

@qualityautismNoah

4 жыл бұрын

@@marckrieger3277 It's explained in the Dark Nest Trilogy (and before, i think, in the Force Heretic trilogy in NJO) that the Chiss Ascendancy has restructured and "absorbed" the Empire of the Hand and in Dark Nest they say "The Empire of the Hand might return when needed", which they do in Fate of the Jedi. Apocalypse under Jag Fel. They could have played a bigger part in future books, but thanks to Disney, we might never know.

I've always thought it was extremely un-Jedi to murder a clone before it was able to do anything bad on its own, just because it was a clone of someone you didn't like

@spkt0r

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, killing without any kind of due process is simply murder.

@davidcomer2338

4 жыл бұрын

They didnt kill the clone on purpose. the vat had droid guards that activated when Luke and Mara entered and the clone was killed in the fighting and subsequent flooding of the chamber because of defence protocols the place had.

@iJosh64

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidcomer2338 Yeah, I think they literally decided to spare it.

@adventwolfbane

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidcomer2338 It just drowned because they didn't bother to try and save it. If they had activated it or removed the clone and taken it with them it would have lived. It was fully formed and was only on a timer to release it. Luke and Mara may have "spared" it but they allowed it to die without a second thought.

@papawedge7396

4 жыл бұрын

@@adventwolfbane They didin't have time to think it that far, they almost drowned themselves.

For those who might be interested, the Thrawn from the original EU very much sounds like Reinhart von Lonhengramm from the books/anime series "Legend of the Galactic Heroes", in the sense that he was an outcast, rose thru the ranks of a corrupt and senseless Empire, and became a leader who changed the Empire from within to be a better version of itself. It's a fun parallel.

@oVoxxy

Жыл бұрын

God teir anime

I love this video, thinking about it when Mara and Luke "destroyed" the Thrawn clone, there was a question if that was the only clone Thrawn made of himeself giving how Thrawn allways plans everything carefull,

@Kolonol1

8 ай бұрын

I believe it wasn't, but Disney killed the creativity of our universe for their copy and paste universe unfortunately

Future suggestions: Carrack -class Light Cruiser and/or Marauder-class Corvette video, two of my favorite EU ships. Plus a video on the Corporate Sector Authority, the forgotten faction.

Kind of a weird idea, but Thrawn and Revan had very similar battle tactics, and were portrayed as cold and ruthless military leaders who only failed due to a close ally betraying him. I think the KOTOR games likely took inspiration for Revans backstory from Thrawns military tactics, but in universe, is the any indication that Thrawn knew of/ respected Revans cold/brutal tactics?

@LiamCameron77

3 жыл бұрын

I know I’m late but I doubt it, KOTOR came out well after most of the EU material had been written, and the writers of the EU books coming out at the time likely did not play the game so might not of even known who Revan was.

@Hk121394

Жыл бұрын

They might mean in-universe, which my head canon is yes, since the chiss were allied with Vitiates sith empire

@Kolonol1

8 ай бұрын

@@Hk121394 they were? Any references for this outside of SWTOR and that mess?

Thrawns and the chiss are so awesome !

Question for your potential Q/A show: what do you think Legends Thrawn and Canon Thrawn would think of one another if, through some weird cosmic incident, they had the opportunity to meet? #QuestionTime

@patchworkfellow4262

4 жыл бұрын

They would find each other “Effective”

@josesanchezrodriguez1783

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like canon Thrawn would see Legends Thrawn as a threat and would be prepared to kill him, however as long as their goals stayed the same they would cooperate.

@Kolonol1

8 ай бұрын

EU Thrawn would wipe the floor with Disney Wars Thrawn...

Fascinating. I had no idea the Empire of the Hand was NOT the forces that Thrawn lead against the New Republic. That means he only used what he had originally and what the Imperial remnants were “willing” to provide. That explains a lot. M

Thank you Corey, awesome video and I love trusting your knowledge of the books and Zahn’s real life intent and influence, it does so much more justice than wiki could ever do (especially when some wiki’s copy youtubers’ covers of topics and unfortunately, vice versa)

Waited so long for this, woo! Edit: For future videos if your list isn’t too long, maybe the Sruu-vii or Vagaari? (Sorry for spelling). The enemies of the Ascendancy or Unknown Region factions heard of in the books canon and otherwise?

Love these Legends videos. I am a GM in a Star Wars campaign taking place in the Star Wars Legends universe.

he's the gigachad of star wars, just look at that jaw line

wouldn't it make more sense for Thrawn to create a second secret cloning vat in case someone destroys the first while he's away?

Great video. The Empire of the Hand are by far my favorite faction in Star Wars. I wish that Disney had not closed legends so that we could hear more of them. They cannot come into canon because of the First Order, which is a very bad trade off. The First Order was so awful. Timothy Zahn mentioned that he planned to make a third book about the Hand of Judgement, which would also be the third book of another series, presumably the formation of the Hand. I think that that would have been the best legends series if it had come out. Hopefully we see some things from them in canon, though - for example, Kres’ten’tarthi and Fel. Chaos Rising is coming soon, and should have some good stuff, if not as good as the Hand.

Ah, some original Star Wars! The one, the only & never to be replaced. When Luke & Mara visited an outpost of the Empire of the Hand, they encountered Baron Soontir Fel & other forgotten Imperial officers. In their flight, Luke & Mara came across a clone of Thrawn. (All that happened after Heir to the Empire!)

you should do a video on the various intelligence organizations in legends.

Do some Episode on each ship in the Empire of the hand as there ship fact are limited

Corey can u talk about the the Yuuzahn Vong War

The only faction worth fighting for! Without any good or bad label.

The idea of Outbound Flight as a commentary on the Iraq war is extremely interesting. Do you have any sources on this? I'd be very curious to learn more. I know next to nothing about Zahn's politics, but I find the broad theme of "Star Wars as political commentary" endlessly fascinating.

@harrambou9468

2 ай бұрын

That…doesn’t really make sense

@dregonzo2012

Ай бұрын

@@harrambou9468 I mean the book bears almost no resemblance to the actual events surrounding the Iraq war, but if you think about the US domestic framing of Iraq, and the argument employed domestically to justify that war, there actually are a lot of parallels.

I listened to the audibooks of the original Thrawn trilogy and duology, but not Outbound Flight. Now I'm listening to the first book in the new trilogy. Is it the same Voss Parck, canonized? If it is, I wonder why Pallaeon didn't get the same treatment. Maybe because there was no room for him being important in the Empire like he was in the duology and Zahn didn't want him to be any less?

@iJosh64

4 жыл бұрын

I think Pellaeon was in Rebels and the end of the New Thrawn Trilogy

@laguaridadelgremlin

4 жыл бұрын

He was mentioned once in Rebels, but he doesn't really show up.

Hmm... this seems familiar... *fully reads title* oh... no source material ah Kathleen?

Look me in the eye and tell me with no hint of uncertainty that Henry Cavill wouldn't be a good pick for a young Thrawn.

@blackshogun272

4 жыл бұрын

Lovecat Productions stop giving me hope...

@harrambou9468

2 ай бұрын

🤯

Thrawn, the hero the galaxies needed

Will you make a something to share the stats of the ship Empire of the hand

Wait, did I mishear? Was the OG Soontir Fel the son of Ysanne Isard, sent to join the Empire of the Hand as basically an intra-Imp-Warlord diplomacy gesture??

Yay! Hand of Judgement! (can I be the thumb?)

Remember, we could have gotten one of these stories. But Disney chose "Somehow Palpatine returned instead." I really appreciate how well thought out and interesting EU factions were. They really took Star Wars to a whole another level. To this day, I cannot think of one single good thing that came from the sequel trilogy. The only thing it has accomplished is importing millions of Disney consumer bots into the fandom, who literally think they own Star Wars now because 'daddy Iger' bought the franchise from a tired old Lucas. That we're in the wrong for not liking the new movies.

The vong should be cannon

@lindsey8034

3 жыл бұрын

That would be interesting, but I also think we might have an enemy similar to the vong in the grysks.

I really would love to watch this video, but I am only about halfway through visions of the future and I don't want to be spoiled. I already am spoiled because of my extensive starwars research before I started reading the books, but right now unfortunately I don't want to watch this.

Balmorra, The Forge is an excellent background music to use.

@blackshogun272

4 жыл бұрын

Armoured Productions SWTOR players start manifesting outta thin air...

@ArmouredProductions

4 жыл бұрын

@@blackshogun272 Kneel before the Dragon of Zakuul

@blackshogun272

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArmouredProductions *"I have the patience of stone and the will of stars. My ascendance is inevitable. Let your death be the same..."* - Sith Emperor Vitiate

Do you believe there is hope for new legends books? #questiontime

@VinnieWarlock

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. They kind of closed that with the Cade Skywalker story.

@jaybristowe2346

4 жыл бұрын

Vinnie Warlock I think there is some hope. Even if it’s a small thing such as finally releasing Escape from Dagu, even if it’s an ebook.

@Tracer_Krieg

4 жыл бұрын

The way Canon has been going, I suspect we may see the return of old Legends material in the coming years. It won't be soon, mind you, but it probably will happen eventually.

@christophernemeth421

4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see more Legends material, especially books on what the Empire of the Hand was doing

@ltb1345

4 жыл бұрын

J Sailer I honestly don't get why Lucasfilm won't let the authors still write books in the old continuity. All they have to do is put the "Legends" label on them. A lot of big franchises have multiple ongoing continuities, with a prime example being Marvel.

Do you think that something similar to the Empire of the Hand could appear in canon ?

@lindsey8034

3 жыл бұрын

I hope they do something like this. It makes the most sense for Canon Thrawn’s character, and it would be vastly more interesting than if he was just continuing to do evil empire stuff for the sake of being evil.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps

I hope this is the direction the Disney+ shows are going.

Empire of ZA HANDO

What if thrawn lived

What’s the main reasons behind all the lightsaber colours #questiontime

SW Reading club anyone?

The original better first order

Disney ruined the lore