It says in Shakespeare's Twelfth Night: "Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them," and this could not be more true across the competitive walks of life such as sports and esports. Sick quote as well.

5:15 The demons are assaulting him again like in other video

I feel like Konfig fits into this perfectly. The attitude/motivation piece has always been an issue, but he is one of the most talented players in the world still.

You forget that talent might dictate the style you are playing. A Get_right might realized early enough that he cant compete through raw aim so he uses a different approach. While a forest just tries to go ham in the same situations because he knows he is/was able to.

HAIRCUT THORIN IS A POWERFUL THORIN

Do reflection with S1mple

@diegopayan3146

6 жыл бұрын

jordan Hepburn reflections are often done with old players that have clear memory of old tournaments and games. considering the fact that s1mple is 20 and is still developing his career, he probably won’t be on reflections for a while

@TheGudStuffs

6 жыл бұрын

How incredible is it though? Even though he is still young and still developing; I feel like a reflections would already be interesting for a few things like his early career, rise to fame and up untill this point. I think you're right, though.. The reflections might be even better later on in his career. Also; what the fuck OP? "Do reflection with s1mple"? Do you think you get to make demands like that? lmao

@jdog339

6 жыл бұрын

Exper1z idk I hope for it

@PureShinigami

6 жыл бұрын

You are demanding it. Learn to phrase your opinion correctly.

@johnvoigt67

3 жыл бұрын

@@PureShinigami bruh ur looking way to far into it

fantastic content as usual dude keep it up!

what an insane video, good job Thorin!

I like Csgo

@h8den651

6 жыл бұрын

I don't, fuck that game

@TheRyry97

6 жыл бұрын

billy

@keahnsards

6 жыл бұрын

Why did this Billy comment get so many more likes than usual

@W.S._Ortega

6 жыл бұрын

Billy Hashbrown What would I do if I ever watched a Thorin video without seeing your comment Billy?

Dedication + Talent = s1mple

Great video

Great video. I was just wondering, which Oxfam did you buy that shirt from?

Top notch gym motivation mate

What about shroud? He had great aim, but never 100% put himself to the game. His streaming took over and he left the game.

@thenightmancometh93

6 жыл бұрын

Immediately had the same thought when he mentioned skilled players without the dedication to be the best. That sums up shroud’s career pretty well

@dentonkellyjr8095

6 жыл бұрын

I think thoorin focused on the players who were the best at their time

@TheMrWafflefries

6 жыл бұрын

+ I second this. He was a great talent but just wanted to have fun i feel

@tenzy4111

6 жыл бұрын

Shroud tried his best! Whatchu talking about?

@dentonkellyjr8095

6 жыл бұрын

TenzY yes he really did and it made me sad he retired but i think he knew he just didnt have that mot8vation anymore

dad is back!

That neo meme is golden

Funny sunlight/shade editing.

FORG1VEN is so iconic that he gets mentioned in a primarily csgo-centered Thorin video

Reflections with s1mple

Fucking amazing video.

Damn Billy beat me here.

@keahnsards

6 жыл бұрын

Billy also beat you at liking CS:GO XD

How important do you think the players mentality is as well. How much do think confidence benefits a player relative to their skill level?

@jdog339

6 жыл бұрын

well look at niko he is insanely skilled but not confident enough but s1mple has the confidence and look at the difference

@lohvrti

6 жыл бұрын

A player's mindset is definitely the majority of the battle. From what my coach says (in a completely separate sport, but I think it's similar across all of them), it's the most important aspect of the game.

@rockgames345

6 жыл бұрын

Confidence and mentality is what seperates good players with greats.

I am the ghost of scrilla yet to come \//\

There's been a growing sentiment in US basketball over last several years that the "big men", who typically hit their height young, tend to not work as hard or as often because their sheer physicality carried them through so much of their early career. Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony are probably good examples from this generation

for some reason i thought this was going to be about broadcast talent

My mans gotta fresh cut

“ Riches Shield from Predators: SIGNED .. in ‘Under Armour’ #9234 “. - Prime Connector

I feel like shroud is the perfect example he played so many games so his talent was insane but he never dedicated himself fully to a game

@CatnamedMittens

6 жыл бұрын

I think he is just a choker.

@packers256

6 жыл бұрын

Wait what? When shroud was a pro he played cs 10x as much as any other game for the most part. It's not like he was close to being a pro in any other game, until he left to stream pubg.

@michaelsos8327

5 жыл бұрын

packers256 nah bro, people got pissed at him a lot because (except for his last major), shroud would often times play other games that he felt like playing, rather than spending the spare time practicing csgo.

Would u consider happy an outlier for having such a set style but being more talent than dedication

Daaamn, look at those Dwight Howard's shoulders.

What about Lars Ricken?

Lol thats like a psychological reflection of my social life being an underachiever that gets told the whole time that I could do better, but yeah, theres just no motivation

Shroud was my favorite player:)

Why are you recording this from inside a Baptist Church?

@keahnsards

6 жыл бұрын

lmfao

Are you sure you havent done this video topic before?

Fnatic with pronax, krimz, JW (Prime), Flusha and Olofmeister was unstoppable, I thought olofmeister was consistently the best for a year or so.

D A E D G A E M

reflection with S1mple or niko ty

Bobby Fischer is probably the most talented and the most dedicated player ever in any sport

@gnomehanslan1430

6 жыл бұрын

While I do agree, its arguable since Kobe and Michael Jordan both trained to the point that its risking their sanity.

@gnomehanslan1430

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he did lose his sanity along the way. The sad part is that by the time he just lost his sanity, there was still a whole lot of potential left untapped, IMHO. As much as a legend he is now, and has feats still unsurpassed... I reckon that had his sanity not been lost for a good while, he would've become much more than what he was.

@polborta2410

6 жыл бұрын

Yes , I would argue that Bobby Fischer was slight above them on the dedication. Because Fischer was 100% dedicated to chess at the age of 7

@gnomehanslan1430

6 жыл бұрын

But here's the thing, though. While I do bring up sanity when it comes to talent and dedication, I do count longevity in the professional part of it. It was arguable that Fisher was, overtime, losing his sanity bit by bit, so the talent and dedication on display doesn't really show enough in terms of volume (though quality is not in question) due to losing his sanity later on, thus why I think his talent and dedication in terms of length and scale, his talent and dedication is still, IMHO, debatable on whether he is the most dedicated and talented player in any sport, thus why I brought up Kobe and Jordan (though Jordan's got off his rocker after his Wizard stint).

@polborta2410

6 жыл бұрын

I understand your point, it basically all comes down to which framework you use to define and argue from

I like LoL and Csgo

Mikkel Hansen plays CS.GO? (look him up Thorin, maybe its that guy who are supporting you.)

Hey, what about astralis?! They don't have the same talent as faze. And yet we are about to talk about the astralis era

@tijshaanappel7882

6 жыл бұрын

rafi sanders this video is about a individual observation of talent and dedication. Has nothing to do with how a team is better eventho another team has more raw skill.

@lohvrti

6 жыл бұрын

They really aren't far off. Dev1ce is insane, top 10 of all time for sure. Dupreeh isn't far behind and neither is magisk right now. Combining that with an amazing IGL and xyp9x being the best clutch/supportive player of all time makes one hell of a team

@aboodabulaban2867

6 жыл бұрын

i actually believe that they have the same talent ceiling. it is just that their system and how they approach the game is so structured that they dont play "loose" counter strike and let others do what they want. if they did you would see dupreeh and device and magisk ripping heads off and be like, these players are insanely talented.. but rather they play structured cs because it is harder to break through them and have more consistency.

@lohvrti

6 жыл бұрын

@jensen would you agree that dupreeh is actually getting the the level where he could surpass dev1ce?

pls either change your mic from stereo to mono in windows or try to stay more centered if possible. i hear most of this episode on my right ear..

6:00

Average? NEO please. :D

Zorozero LOL

faceit lvl 10

isnt twist a prime example for a talented but not dedicated player?

@HeadshotaZ731

2 жыл бұрын

Twistzz*

how do I know if Im talented enough to be a pro player at cs?

You know why pro's don't do intros for Richard Lewis? They like their throats too much.

Well shit that intro is inaccurate now.

TACO on the list of players who don't look that good?? TACO is no sluch in terms of fragging IMO

@gnomehanslan1430

6 жыл бұрын

I hate it when people think fragging = good. Taco was seriously willing to play Coldzera's bait repeatedly, and he doesn't mind. The moment Liquid just let him loose, his fragging's literally something even the likes of Coldzera should not fuck with.

@soldatheero

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly

so csgo is genetic?

simple is going to go to shit now

How would you describe talent? when you answer that question you will understand it does not exist in technical sports.

@lmfao1629

5 жыл бұрын

BULLET GAMING It does. I would describe it as a fact that someone is better at some game in his startpoint than someone else by miles.

@shak9558

4 жыл бұрын

@@lmfao1629 you cannot define being better when talking about moving a mouse or pressing a key. If you get random people who haven't seen or heard of csgo to play it, they will all be exactly the same.

@lmfao1629

4 жыл бұрын

@@shak9558 Okay, then not startpoint but lets say, 4k hours, by that time in game I reached level 10, but sergej from ence played major.

@shak9558

4 жыл бұрын

@@lmfao1629 but he played with the intention of going pro, his 4k hours might have been way more productive than your 4k hours. You might just go death match with an ak for 4k hours but he might have been playing comps. That's then down to productive efficiency not talent.

@lmfao1629

4 жыл бұрын

@@shak9558 Bro, bullshit, I have 6k hrs in this game, have over 3.4k matches faceit, trying to go fplc but wont make it, cuz Iam shit.

Shroud=talented

'Hello, this is Neo, just one of the worst tier 1 CS:GO players and you're watching Thorin's KZread channel'

coldzera not skilled but still manages to win against skilled players !!what does this even mean .so is he skilled or not

@jdog339

6 жыл бұрын

Burim he is skilled but not as skilled as S1mple or niko but because he is dedicated he can compete

@dentonkellyjr8095

6 жыл бұрын

Simple just has a higher skill ceiling than cold, its just cold worked hard af to be one of the best and very consistent players ever it will be a sad day when he gets older and skill deteriorates faster just lke gtr than super talented pros

@atropiperio

6 жыл бұрын

Acension Kelly lol

@gnomehanslan1430

6 жыл бұрын

Coldzera's not necessarily talented, he's just dedicated. Like, Coldzera practices a certain play style to make sure he doesn't have to do insane flicks or spray downs. Niko and S1mple, especially S1mple, are players who are talented in a sense that they can be out of position, but have such good hand-eye coordination and reaction that they will punish players who do want to punish them. You will never see Coldzera out of position, but you will see Niko and S1mple in random positions and still destroy the competition.

@xabpeanut7136

6 жыл бұрын

some people cant even understand a simple video..

Fuck fortnite and pubj. Only CS will survive.

I think you are generalizing the word talent too much. Like how psychologists say there is not just one IQ that defines everyone(interpersonal talent, mathematical talent and spacial talent to name a few). You could definitely make an argument that dedication is just another kind of talent and it is a talent shox and forest lack, but make up for it with other forms of talent.

well, that was depressing....

I hate s1mple so toxic. And overated: he just carries his team so he looks so much better then he is. He is no better then Niko: but he carries. If Niko was in na'vi he would carry and be called the best

@thenightmancometh93

6 жыл бұрын

If s1mple was in Faze they would likely win every tournament. Niko is a fantastic player but he can’t make the ballsy, aggressive plays s1mple can to completely take over the game. Based on his passive playstyle, Niko is a bit more limited in how much impact he can have

@superexcel5550

6 жыл бұрын

S1mple only takes the ahressive powerful plays because he has to carry and that's the only way he is going to win. Faze don't need that. Good yes don't need that because playing passive will win the the game as they have the players to do thay

@thenightmancometh93

6 жыл бұрын

Yes well it’s not as if Faze wins every match. There’s been plenty of times they needed someone to step up and make a play and Niko hasn’t done it because that’s not his playstyle or role. Even when Niko was carrying Mousesports he wasn’t putting up anywhere close the numbers that s1mple is right now. I hate to talk down on Niko because he is one of the best players in the world but he is not on s1mple’s level at this point

@alexdelarge395

6 жыл бұрын

"can't make ballsy aggressive plays" lol Go rewatch the Major final, and see what Niko did in overtime at match point for C9 when they rushed banana. If that's not a ballsy play nothing is. Had they won that Major he would've probably got a graffiti from Valve for that.

@thenightmancometh93

6 жыл бұрын

Alex DeLarge except that was actually a more intelligent and passive play than ballsy and aggressive. Ballsy would be if he tried to peak out into them, something that should never work, but his aim was so on point that he killed three before they got him. Instead he pushed through the smoke, the bomb carrier just happened to be there on the other side and therefore his impact in the round was literally based on luck.