Digital Audio Player not Digital Analog Player 😂

Some people on the CarAV subreddit were saying with AUX connection that both D/A conversion from your source along with the A/D n D/A conversion from your head unit are also being used as well. Despite having a shit ass Blaupunkt headunit and cheap 60 dollar coaxials I can still notice my Fiio M9 makes a huge difference with everything. I've also tested my Fiio M9 Bluetooth on my friends 2019 RAM 1500 stock system and it sounds just as good as when he is using his iPhone with USB connection. It's wild. I just picked up a used Fiio M11 but haven't tested it yet. I'm gonna start using it once I get a new car with a system in it. Gonna use that DAP directly into my Helix DSP and save my 80PRS and M9 for another build.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll add this so there is no confusion. When using a DAP and you’re going auxiliary in, yes you are using multiple DAC conversions but because you’re using the DAC of the DAP first it’s always going to give you the best sound quality. With my set up I’m using a PAC Amp Pro so I’m bypassing the DAC in the system as I’m using the Optical Toslink out of the PAC Amp Pro into the DSP’s Optical toslink input. Then the DSP would be doing it’s D/A conversion. So you will have the best signal possible right from the start. I only use this with CarPlay now and since I bought the Fiio M17 I never use CarPlay. For the best connection you would want to go straight to the DSP if you had one. Depending on which DAP you had (I have the Fiio M17 now) If I had a mid tier DAP (FiiO M11, M11 Plus ESS or LTD I would use the coaxial digital output of the DAP into the Coaxial Digital input of the DSP. If you had a Flagship DAP then you might prefer the multiple DAC conversations and go analog or you might prefer still to go Coaxial Digital. It all depends on your DAP and what you prefer. But for this video just using the DAP with no DSP via auxiliary input will make the biggest difference. You will love the M11 as I believe it’s the best DAP on the market for the price.

@rishianil

Жыл бұрын

I wish I had a 80prs. I'm running a periodic rhodium dongle dac so I have 1V Going to my head unit and it's seems to be quadruple the volume of the apple USB C dongle which to me sounds perfect. It's just so volume limited with my Android phones

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@rishianil I haven’t tested that dongle DAC but a DAP has gain levels low, medium, high so you can match it up perfectly to any system.

Good Stuff, I am rocking my M7 but will upgrade to the M11P

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! I’ve been looking for one but they seem to be out of stock everywhere

Hey, I was going to get the Fiio BTR5 2021 for my car to make it a Bluetooth comparable car using the car mode. Would the Bluetooth feature from the BTR5 still have the same effect on the audio that this thing does? Or is it roughly the same quality as it would be without the DAC

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

It’s decent but it doesn’t compare to a mid to high end DAP

I have it on my car. The difference from head unit it's rocket sky. I have mine conected using digital output. Ps i also have dsp. Still makes huge difference

Does Apple High Res streaming service have the same high audio quality as a DAP through a toslink to a DSP?

@CarAudioHorizons

9 ай бұрын

I can only speak for that DAP’s I have tested and depending on the DAP and DSP it should. A lot of DSP will only give you 24-96Kz but I would never chase numbers as it will get you nowhere 😆 It’s all about how good the recording is. It starts with the recording and then your install and tune, and finally the equipment you have.

My Helix DSP only has : 1) Line Input 2) Hi-Pass Input 3) Optical Input Based on the above inputs, what is the best way to connect the DAP to Helix DSP? Must i buy a Fiio M11s or can i use a Sony WM1AM2?

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t tested any of the Sony DAP’s yet so I’m not sure how they sound. You can go with whatever DAP you choose as there are many choices these days. Not many have optical out though, so you might just have to go analog in. Usually the Helix DSP’s let you use two channels as auxiliary inputs. So just check your DSP manual

I have the brand new 2023 Mosconi 8 to 12 DSP…Can I use my bluetooth Ipod or should I buy a DAP high res player?

@CarAudioHorizons

9 ай бұрын

Like I said before I would never spend that kind of money on a Mosconi 8/30 DSP or the stand alone 8-12 just to run Bluetooth.

What case is on your M11? Do you have a link for where you bought it? I cannot find a sleek one like that for mine.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

I bought mine a long time ago from this site -> mbest.aliexpress.com/?src=google&albch=fbrnd&acnt=347-178-5672&albcp=2043121802&albag=71989101973&slnk=&trgt=kwd-17288322708&plac=&crea=357605912095&netw=g&device=m&mtctp=e&memo1=&albbt=Google_7_fbrnd&albagn=888888&isSmbActive=false&isSmbAutoCall=false&needSmbHouyi=false&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjZqQqu3u9wIVYwh9Ch1ToQx_EAAYASAAEgLwB_D_BwE&aff_fcid=0e1c2bcb35c440bd9aca4c566cda2d2d-1653076413491-04500-UneMJZVf&aff_fsk=UneMJZVf&aff_platform=aaf&sk=UneMJZVf&aff_trace_key=0e1c2bcb35c440bd9aca4c566cda2d2d-1653076413491-04500-UneMJZVf&terminal_id=74f92d361abf43799f96b556abe42a45 But like I said it was a long time ago and the Fiio M11 has been discontinued for a while so I don’t they even sell the case anymore since the new FiiO M11 Plus has come out. The Fiio M11s is coming out in June as well so they will probably be concentrating on cases for those DAP’s.

Hello, would this sound nice thru a mosconi 6 to8pro, and using the mosconi amas-LD 4? Thanks gr from holland

@CarAudioHorizons

5 ай бұрын

It’s far better than SBC, not sure you would want to spend $1,000 on a DAP just to use it for a Bluetooth connection.

I’m using the Fiio X7 mark ii with a coax cable right into the coax input of my dsp Will the M11 be a big upgrade in sq ?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

No, but the new M11 Plus going analog into your DSP might as the specs on the M11 Plus are insane. That’s something I want to test when I buy mine. Hold off on it until I get mine, then I’ll let you know.

@81stefan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Thanks man I’m Looking forward

Very interesting device. I am thinking to get dap for my car while i'm running android auto to dsp. How you use dap with carplay?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t use a DAP for CarPlay, you use it to go strait into your DSP via coaxial digital if you have that input on your DSP or analog into your DSP that way it bypasses the crappy factory head units D/A converter. For my vehicle I also run an PAC Amp Pro and go toslink into my DSP for the best CarPlay sound you can get.

@andriebayuajie6503

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons thanks for the reply. I mean i will run the android auto only for navigation, and run dap straight to dsp for music. Both head unit and dap plugged to dsp tho, so maybe the maps voice guidance will be sounds weird. I plan to do this way because headunit android auto sounds meh for listening music. But it's very interesting to learn your trick to make carplay sounds good

My vehicle only have usb input for audio. No auxiliary input. I was looking for a 3.5 aux to usb so I can use the m11 plus unfortunately I cannot find any cable to send audio from the m11 plus to usb 😞

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s unfortunate and I have heard many people saying the same thing that their vehicle only has USB. If that was me then I would invest in a DSP/AMP combo it separate DSP and amps. All depends on if you can get an interface for your vehicle like a PAC Amp pro, Zen piece, or something similar. Then you could get a DAP and go strait into the DSP for the best connection possible

@topandrun126

Жыл бұрын

@Car Audio Horizons thanks. I have a gv70 I don't think I can change the interface. But I will definitely look into your options.

Hello, we think it’s a different using it as a Bluetooth instead of my iPhone too my helix ultra?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, even connecting the Fiio M11 or higher to Bluetooth to the Helix DSP via Hec Bluetooth module will be far superior sound than using a phone to connect Bluetooth even though I always prefer a wire connection for best possible audio.

I think to purchasing the Shanling M3 Ultra . Is this also good for better car audio sound?

@CarAudioHorizons

10 ай бұрын

I haven’t heard that model but I have heard the M6 Ultra and the M7 and they sounded good.

Hello mate! Is there any difference from using the 3.5mm line out or the USB c ? I found out that most usb c to 3.5mm cable are using build in dacs which doesn't work in that case. Is it ok to use the 3.5mm line out to the aux of my head unit? Thank you

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

I take it you don’t have a DSP?

@nikosraptis1985

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons oh yes I forgot to mention about it. I do have which is my head unit, a DEX P99RS, it's not that modern but still does an excellent job.

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@nikosraptis1985 What you have to watch out for is giving your head unit too much voltage when going line out. So you would have to check how much voltage your head unit can handle

@CarAudioHorizon Bro If im upgrading my car audio using dsp and my car oem head unit is not of good quality.. should i consider upgrading the headunit? Does connecting our smartphones to a HU like Alpine UTX M08s and taking optical from alpine to DSP enhance the quality? Or should i consider connecting the dsp coaxially for better quality with a DAP? I spend my time too much on Spotify as Im from India...and whats your opinion about Spotify files..even if DAP is used and I stream Spotify is it gonna make any difference unless the file played is flac/wav?

@CarAudioHorizons

4 ай бұрын

I can only speak on the products I have had experience with an the newer Alpine Head units I haven’t tested. I would never get a new head unit if you have a new or newer vehicle as most OEM head units have Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. I would look for something like what I use which is a PAC Audio Amp Pro with the toslink output. With that you can go optical digital straight into the DSP. Unfortunately with car audio there are so many different factors that come into play. I have no idea what you’re expecting for sound quality, don’t know your vehicle year, make etc… i don’t use Spotify other than at home to watch the odd Joe Rogan podcast as sound quality wise it’s terrible.

@vaisakhmurali6918

4 ай бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Yea i use a 2021 suzuki baleno hatch make( im from india brother)..i don't think it has been launched elsewhere other than india..maybe in an other name.. in simple words better reduce coversions as low as possible right.. either DAP directly to dsp coax ( even if DAP is used playing Spotify is shit right) or phone-DAC-Dsp optically... Or then dsp direct via aptx BT...i need the best clarity vocals and accoustics..not aiming for freaky bass.. above all as you said the file which we play much be lossless right.. and whatever speakers are used installation plays a key role right?

Bro, what kind of music files are you keeping in there? How bug are they if 64gb isn't enough?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

I usually use a 512gb micro SD card but the new DAP’s can take up to 2 terabytes

@HDtenor1

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons I'm a novice with FLV formats and all that. But yeah my idea is usually just throw a giant card in there and forget about it

Hi, i dont have a DSP. How to connect the DAP to my in car Android head unit which connected to the amps? TQ

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

My old system I had I just used the auxiliary input and it sounds great but I highly recommend getting a DSP with coaxial digital input like a Helix DSP .3s

@azmanshah25

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@laavania

Жыл бұрын

I have m six dsp. How to connect dap to dsp ?

Would u still recommend this one or a newer version like the m15?

@CarAudioHorizons

4 ай бұрын

Will see how the FiiO M23 is when it comes out next month. I will be doing a review on it

Great video. I have the M11 Plus and a few questions for you. I would appreciate it if you could help me get mine setup like yours. What are you using to hold it in place? Do you have pops when using the aux and switching songs? Have you tried connect to the car stereo with the coax output?

My Qudelix 5k is connected to my mobile via usb-c cable and my system via 3.5mm cable. The PROBLEM is when I put volume on max, pause music, and drive, I can hear hissing, and it increases if speed up? Even with a ground noise reducing isolater.

@abrahamgoodman536

Жыл бұрын

Btw this noise can be heard between and during tracks.

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Yes, some vehicles auxiliary inputs are bad when it comes to ground loop noise and ground loop isolators are useless. Also different products handle that part of it better than others. I never had any noise with any of my FiiO products other than if I was using the analog outputs and charging at the same time.

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@abrahamgoodman536 I have never used a Qudelix 5K before or even heard of the brand.

I’m thinking about purchasing the Fiio M11 Plus to play hi-res in my car. I am running a Helix DSP.3. My question is “How do I connect the M11 to the DSP?”

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Is your DSP the .3 or .3s?

@chrisparks6024

2 жыл бұрын

.3

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisparks6024 Ok, so are you using any type of Amp Pro or Zen piece with your vehicle? The reason I’m asking is to see if you already are using your optical toslink input on your Helix DSP.3?

@chrisparks6024

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons No. The toslink is not being used.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisparks6024 The only way to run optical Toslink then would to buy something like the topping d10s or FiiO’s new K3 and then do USB in to optical out.

My car 2018 370z has a USB input and RCA. Will this sound better connected to the RCA then my iPhone (using tidal) through USB?

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

When you’re connecting your phone via USB then you’re using the DAC’s inside your stock system. When using a DAP connected via auxiliary or RCA input then you’re using the DAC’s inside the DAP. Depending on the DAP it can make a big difference. The best way to use a DAP is with a DSP as then you can bypass everything in your stock audio system and get the best audio signal possible.

I only use cheap 10 usd DAC dongle on my Android phone to Zapco STX DSP and it sounds so detail, clean, open and airy... Definitely beat all head unit in 700 usd price bracket...

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Your Zapco DSP probably has a good DAC in it compared to the head units.

@CastingCelebrity

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons mate... Please consider to try Audio Circle Speaker... My set up using 3 way of them... Installed Focal, Dynaudio and Monitor Audio before... But think Audio Circle is the best.... Regard from Indonesia

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@CastingCelebrity Doesn’t Bryston make those?

@CastingCelebrity

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons they advertise as Germany made... But honestly im not really sure about this... We could reach their website easily... Allow me to ask about Aaron Neville songs... Temptations - Diana Krall... I Put a Spell On You - Chantal Chamberland... Do u like them or not? Just curious do we have same taste or not... Lol

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@KUNADI KURNIAWAN I made a video of one of my playlists and that has a variety of music on there. I listen to pretty much everything depending on the mood, except I’m not a big country music.

What wires are you running on the dsp like the rca etc any recommendations?

@ML-kr3ih

2 жыл бұрын

I currently have the helix dsp mini trying to connect the m11 limited plus directly.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Audioquest Cinnamon

@ML-kr3ih

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons ty so much I appreciate it. I accidentally bought the AudioQuest Sydney Stereo mini-to-RCA adapter cable

@MrFryfish

Жыл бұрын

The best would be Toslink Fiber cable if you can add as an input to DSP (helix..)

How do you download your Cd’s on a DAP?

@CarAudioHorizons

9 ай бұрын

Just rip them to your PC and then I used JRiver media centre in the past, but there are lots of different programs out there.

Where do you get your music for it?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

I had a lot of music I bought over the years such as CD’s, iTunes music, HD Tracks etc… that I put on mine. You can also use it with Tidal, Amazon HD music, Spotify etc…

So, the Aux port accepts digital input?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Auxiliary port on what? The DSP? Or are you talking about the coaxial digital output on the FiiO?

@RichardsWorld

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons the input for the Jeep. Aren't you feeding the Jeep on the Aux port? Or you are using USB?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@RichardsWorld No, I use the inputs of my DSP Coaxial digital as well as a 3.5 to rca. If you only have the factory stereo then you can use the auxiliary input on the Jeep but no it doesn’t except a digital input, only the analog 3.5 headphone out on the Fiio.

@RichardsWorld

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Ah, thanks.

Hello I watched your video and want to have the best sound for my audio. I have about 800 cds that I put on a NAS harddrive in lossless . I am not sure however how I would listen to a DAP as my vehicle does not have a Auxillary port to plug into. It does have a USB which is hooked into the Audio. Would i still gain great sound if I laisten to the DAP thru Bluetooth or would the sound quality be limited with Bluetooth. I have heard that bluetooth can not stream High RES very well. Do they make a cable I could use with USB and the DAP to plug into my audio system ? Thanks for the article I will ne looking to purchase a DAP now.

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately using a DAP and going into your vehicles USB isn’t going to make much of a difference compared to your phone. Probably the best thing to do is go with a DSP/AMP combo and hopefully your vehicle has some type of integration piece like a PAC Audio Amp Pro or Zen. If not call up Mobile Solutions in Calgary and ask For Larry or Chris to see what Helix options are available for your vehicle. It’s not cheap but you can start with a DSP/Amp or separate DSP and amp or amps and build your system off of that.

@Paulrrulon

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Thanks for the help. The vehicle is a 2023 toyota highlander limited with the JBL system butbI have searched and can not find any data about the system. I know its stock beneficial

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@Paulrrulon Is that considered a premium system? I know PAC’s amp pro worked with 2021. I called PAC when I got my Amp Pro as mine wasn’t listed at the time but PAC confirmed it worked back then.

@Paulrrulon

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Yes its considered Toyota OEM JBL upgraded system. Here is info on it but I can not find any specs or data on it. TOYOTA HIGHLANDER For every journey, the Highlander is designed with you and your music in mind. Equipped with 11 powerful speakers, Clari-Fi technology and custom-designed tuning, the Highlander creates an unparalleled audio experience for every passenger. HIGHLIGHTS Wattage1200 Watts Speakers11 Speakers 12 Channel DSP Amplifier Clari-Fi® Music Restoration Technology QuantumLogic® Surround Sound

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@Paulrrulon Just call Mobile Solutions in Alberta Canada and ask them if their Helix or Match DSP’s or DSP/Amps can be integrated into your vehicle. Call Larry or Chris and they will tell you. They’re the North American Distributors for Brax/Helix/Match

DAP usually stands for Digital Audio Player

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Look at the pinned tweet 🐥

Opinion on a DAP vs a flash drive? Both loaded with FLAC audio files.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

The flash drive doesn’t have a dac so it will use your vehicle deck’s dac so it will only sound as good as your deck/head unit which is worse than the M11 dap, a lot worse if it’s the stock deck/head unit.

@brandondavis8286

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons it’s a pioneer deck, their site says 24 bit dac. I’m sure it doesn’t compare to the M11 obviously. I’m kinda new to all of this. Thanks for the response! The clarity Metallica video got me interested.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandondavis8286 You can look up all the stats on it…signal to noise ratio, cross talk etc..an after market head unit will usually be better than a factory head unit. Most of the hi end head units have decent dac’s in them but your looking at well over $1200-1800 for them.

What’s a good play to find one to buy?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

I bought mine on Amazon

I just use a dongle dac in the car and I hear the same difference you hear.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, there are some decent dongle DAC’s out there as well to work with your phone. It’s just a matter of what level of sound quality a person is looking for.

I only recent learned about DAPs

@jstar3387

9 ай бұрын

Me too.

What’s the best way to hook up the m11 to a helix v twelve ?

@CarAudioHorizons

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the Helix V Twelve doesn’t have coaxial input, you could try the M11 with an SMSL PO Pro and then go optical in. I never tested the old M11 with it so I’m not sure how it will sound.

@ericjmasters

6 ай бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons sorry I should have been more detailed. I have the Fiio M11 Pro and helix v twelve dsp. I also have the conductor and WiFi controller. I’m wanting to know the best way to hook up to my dsp. Now should I use 3.5mm to rca or can I use Tosslink full to mini ?

@CarAudioHorizons

6 ай бұрын

@@ericjmasters I’m confused, where is the toslink coming out of? The FiiO DAP’s only have Coaxial Digital Out, not Toslink.

@ericjmasters

6 ай бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons I thought I could use tosslink. So I guess the only way is to use 3.5 mm to rca then. I am asking you what the best way is or any way to hook it up to the helix.

@CarAudioHorizons

6 ай бұрын

@@ericjmasters You can use it on what I mentioned above if you want digital out or via all the other ways I talk about in my reviews

Hey man, I scratched my head when you said Digital Analog Player haha nvm just kidding. How is this for a car setup on the cheap? Phone (S23 Ultra) --> Fiio KA2 --> Car Player ???

How do you connect this to headunit? As i have a quite high end kenwood headunit.

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t as you use it as a source unit. If you have a DSP you can connect it via coaxial digital, or 3.5 to RCA input analog, or Auxiliary input. The coaxial digital connection is the best way to go if you have that as an input on a DSP

@asgard420

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons ah. Isee. So this have to connect straight to dsp via rca aux. Thanks for explanation

@the14u36

2 жыл бұрын

This sound better than a Alpine 7909j?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@the14u36 The F1 Status 3rd Gen?

@the14u36

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons no the one from the 80s

My car has usb input no aux !! How can I use it ?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

You would need a DSP with either coaxial digital input or two rca inputs that can be used as Auxiliary input. Or if it’s a helix dsp then you could also use their Hec module usb input.

@17shakil

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons I have helix V8 with optical input no coaxial or RCA !🤔 i have helix hec hd Bluetooth!

@17shakil

2 жыл бұрын

My helix V8 has RCA input !! Can I use fiio with that ? How is the sound quality compare to usb input?

hows it going ,i have the pioneer 99 prs you spoke of haha sad to say they stopped making them but anyways i have high end speakers and well ive been riding around like a dummy listening to a ipod,so if i buy this my head unit only has a usb port,so i would need a headphone 3.5 mm to a usb adapter ,but i was reading on the jerk forum and they were saying that unless your using a toslink cable your not doing anything ,but,,,this was connecting to a external helix dsp,but i have the pioneer 99,so do you think it would sound good,to buy something that goes from a headphone to a usb then get some music off spotify or something.holler back as soon as you can im so ready to order one ok thanks man.

@CarAudioHorizons

9 ай бұрын

I would never go headphone to USB as that doesn’t make any sense. If you have a DSP just go directly to the DSP either Coaxial Digital, Optical or analog depending on what DAP and DSP you have.

@onewheelup

9 ай бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons the dsp is inside the pioneer 99 remember,it has a 32 band eq and time alighnment and everything fully active,with a 3 way set up in front true 8 inch dedicated mid bass with subs in the back,awesome stage perfect center imaging just wondering if the fiio would sound better then ipod,i would have to use a adapter from 3.5 headphone jack to a usb port on my head unit,this is where im wondering if i would lose any sound quality.the adapter that goes to usb.

@CarAudioHorizons

9 ай бұрын

@@onewheelup Ok I wouldn’t bother then. You’re better off putting the money towards a dedicated higher end DSP otherwise you probably won’t notice much of a difference. Car audio is an extremely expensive and once you start upgrading one thing then it tends to be never ending! 😆

What is a dsp

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Here is a link -> www.mobileoneautosound.com/amp/do-you-need-a-digital-signal-processor

You also have to make sure you have speakers capable of playing high res audio. What’s the point of getting this if you don’t have the right speakers?

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

The point is it will sound a lot better regardless of what speakers you have. I used them on multiple stock systems before and it makes them all sound a lot better. It all starts with your source.

Hi any idea to make carplay sounds great?

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have an aftermarket stereo?

@andriebayuajie2780

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons yes i’m using Alpine Ilx w660e

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@andriebayuajie2780 Speakers and amps, DSP?

@andriebayuajie2780

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons speakers mapletech from canada, dsp amp class ab blaupunkt mpd 460a, zevox underseat subwoofer

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@andriebayuajie2780 Ok, so since you have everything already CarPlay can only sound so good. I mean if you have everything properly installed and you have a proper tune on your system it should sound decent. With my CarPlay I have a PAC Audio Amp Pro and have the optional toslink optical output going straight into my Helix DSP Ultra and it sounds good but not even close to my Fiio M17. I prefer using a DAP over CarPlay as I always go for sound quality first. I don’t really care about being able to control volume, skip tracks etc..via steering wheel controls. The DAP’s touchscreen works perfectly for myself as I can do everything I want with it.

Is it better than a USB stick ?

@CarAudioHorizons

9 күн бұрын

@@xristoszim8927 There are some decent dongle DAC’s these days but most DAP’s over $700 are going to beat a dongle DAC

Unfortunately I have sdmi 25 for OEM integration with optical .. As it turns out I can’t use with coaxial input then I will lose my optical input.. I can chose only one .. Big down side with helix dsp ultra

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Why wouldn’t you just use a Director or Conductor with a DAP and switch back and forth? Pretty simple to do. Who told you it wouldn’t work? There is no downside to a Helix DSP Ultra at all, I think you have been misinformed

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

I missed the part that you had the Helix SDMI piece. Yes, you’re correct but that’s more of a limitation of the SDMI piece. I use the PAC Audio Amp Pro with the Toslink output and you can select optical or coaxial digital inputs with the Director. I don’t really use the optical input much to tell you the truth as it’s for the radio and Apple CarPlay which I never use much. Knowing what I know now I probably would have just run RCA’s out of the PAC Audio Amp Pro so I could have run the WiiM Mini optical SPDIF out to my Helix DSP Ultra.

Hi, let try the new release DAP Hiby R6 III, i think it's even better than the M11s

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it wouldn’t be hard to beat the M11s as the original M11 was better in a lot of ways, especially when using the coaxial digital output. The M11s was an extremely bright DAP… 🌞

@TheTakimata

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons yes, i had a M11s already and have just bought a new R6 (Hiby R6III). I really enjoy the sound of R6 III, especially in class A mode. Of course if we use the two DAPs as music transporter (via USB output), i think the sound will be both the same, as the process depends on DAC in DSP.

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@TheTakimata I would never use a DAP’s USB to connect to a DSP as it’s inferior to the optical and Coaxial Digital inputs, at least in the Helix DSP Ultra. If going digital use the coaxial digital input on the DSP if you have one.

@TheTakimata

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons you can use Cayin USB type C to coaxial cable to connect your DAP to Helix, or use a USB type C to mini USB type B cable for the HEC HD player module (optional)

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@TheTakimata Yes, I know but I bet you the USB to Coaxial doesn’t sound as good as just going coaxial digital out like on the most of the FiiO DAP’s. I’ll eventually test DAP’s from all the different companies at some point in time.

Hi again 😊. I think to make this Video become more Viral. You should make a tutorial For the installation 😁🙏

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

The M11 has been discontinued so when I get the new one then I’ll do a more in depth video on it with regards to car audio

@mr.niceguy2524

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons nice 😁👍. Btw i wonder, can i Fiio m11 - audioquest - Helix (without 3.5mm to coax converter?)

@CarAudioHorizons

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.niceguy2524 The ways to connect a Fiio M11 Player to a DSP are. 1 - Coaxial digital cable when using the supplied Fiio 3.5 to Coaxial adapter. 2 - 3.5 to analog cable to two of the Helix RCA inputs. 3 - Aux input in your vehicle but this isn’t the ideal connection. 4 - Using one of the Helix USB HEC cards. 5 - Bluetooth, either regular or Helix Hec card

@mr.niceguy2524

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons thank you So Much 😊🙏🙏🙏🙏

I will have a MATRIX system implemented in my car. ;) Forget about DAC..

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

First of all it’s called a DAP not DAC…

@MrFryfish

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons Thank you for putting things right for me. A "very" big difference.. almost un_noticeable.. 🤭 ..Have you find anything about in car matrix audio system, to broad a little bit your >>Horizons

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@MrFryfish It is something totally different! A DAP Vs DAC 😂 The Matrix was one of my favourite movies for it’s time! To bad the new one sucked 😆

@MrFryfish

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons DAC vs DAP, I can't much difference except that one is not in the mobile phone. If you didn't like Matrix movie I can bet that you do not like electronics (sorry I should have said know.. how it works..). Well let me tell you in electronics can mimic anything when it comes with audio quality.. Some people goes back to turntables.. 🤦‍♂️ most of us are fooled. Even Matrix model, implemented fool people, but at least makes it more pleasurable because SEPARATES SOUNDS once more, expands the front stage to new level. Mobody told you that while car is driven the road noise makes DAP or DAC nonsense, while Matrix + Stage Xpander gives the real pleasure that reside in music!?

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@MrFryfish Sorry I have no clue what you just said. You obviously haven’t seen my other videos 😆

this wont work if you only have USB in sadly

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

Yes, some vehicles are starting to lose the auxiliary inputs unfortunately. That being said most people buying DAP’s have aftermarket stereos in their vehicles so they can connect straight to the DSP’s.

@djrez2107

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons so when using a DAP say to a Helix DSP doesnt the DSP DAC output the sound? in that case why would you need a DAP ? cant you use an iphone dongle to the RCA input of the DSP? sorry im new to DSP's

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@djrez2107 If you watch any of my product reviews then you will know that each device has it’s own sound signature. You can use all kinds of products in different ways depending on what outputs it has. Some have coaxial digital outputs to connect straight to a DSP via coaxial digital which also has it’s own sound signatures. Some have 3.5 to RCA’s, some have 4.4 out, some products have no DAC at all like a Topping d10s(Has a DAC but you don’t use it) or SMSL po100 Pro which work with a phone or tablet. Then there are streamers as well that you can use in your vehicle with a DSP. So to answer your question, yes you can use your phone with a dongle DAC but you won’t necessarily get the best sound. There are budget gems out there but for the most part it’s price dependent. There is no dongle that comes close to a Fiio M17 which is Fiio flagship DAP. You can get other devices that work with phones and tablets that can be as good or slightly better than a budget DAP. It just depends on your budget and preferences. I have been using DAP’s for years now and the Flagship DAP’s or even some of the mid tier DAP’s blow away anything in car audio for head units for sound quality.

@djrez2107

Жыл бұрын

@@CarAudioHorizons thanks for the reply, are you over at DIYMA ?

@CarAudioHorizons

Жыл бұрын

@@djrez2107 No most of the smart people left that site a long time ago…

I better use my phone with a DAC like KA5 for $130