What esports title do you think has the best online spectator experience?

@UncannyGirl

17 күн бұрын

You are aware that the Twitch TV app for Android TV's never had that feature? The best way to watch an eSports match is on a giant high-res TV.... same as any sport. So, no... no Shooter has ever been an enjoyable watch at a pub. Especially compared to most Fighters/Fighting Platformers.

@thehumus8688

17 күн бұрын

Doto 2

@chicho32

17 күн бұрын

Hard to compete with figtning games due to how simple the 2D presentation is, only two players to worry about and clear understanding of what's happening to a non-player.

@dudeofdudes

17 күн бұрын

Apex recently added a face it command center to the esport and it allows you to watch your favorite teams, map view, main broadcast, etc.

@d4s0n282

17 күн бұрын

easily tf2, while its not popular reletively to other games, you cant say that its not viewer friendly to just watch, its extremely easy to see whats going on no matter whats happening

Real ones know it really was PEAK

@ELI-521

17 күн бұрын

Says the ow fan 😂 most delusional mfs out here

@casull2041

17 күн бұрын

​@@ELI-521im still huffing my copium 😢

@carterdelaney4648

17 күн бұрын

@@ELI-521 did you... watch the video?

@thadex454

17 күн бұрын

Riot Games couldn’t make it work for LoL or VALORANT but Blizzard/Twitch managed to make something great

@leon6sean241

17 күн бұрын

@@thadex454 I'd argue the competitive scene for Riot's games still have a large audience, but Overwatch's old competitive scene was just more interesting to me, personally.

I miss the old days of competitive Overwatch- I used to watch replays of games with commentators over the video. Overwatch was fun to watch and play because of the dynamic roster of characters, the interactions abilities had with each other, and the various moments of each game that made them truly exciting. Unfortunately, the game just doesn't have that spark anymore, and I'm sad for its downfall.

@bld9826

17 күн бұрын

Honestly the recent tournament mightve been the best series of Overwatch I've ever watched, personally.

@user-gj4ml7su3n

17 күн бұрын

@@bld9826 it was probably the most diverse meta since season 1 of OWL

@gamist8166

17 күн бұрын

​@@bld9826hasn't the most recent tourney been like 80% mauga?

@bld9826

17 күн бұрын

@@gamist8166 Nope, I think we saw every tank over the weekend except for Orisa.

@pigeon_9161

17 күн бұрын

​@@gamist8166Falcons tried to brute force everything with the meta mauga comp but my goat Junbin proved that he is built different and is simply above the rest of humanity with the only ones coming close being his own team (heesang my goat aswell dude so pretty and good at the game fr)

I just wish we didn't go into franchising so soon. OWL had so much potential, but handicapping talent and forcing teams to fork over millions just to compete for a game that was barely 2 years old was insanity. OWL would still be fine today if they just took the open-circuit format OWCS currently has along with the innovations like the All Access Pass.

@nivyan

17 күн бұрын

Hindsight is 20/20. At the time it was a brilliant beginning to an eSport scene, effectively skipping the grassroots period. If blizzard wasn't so incompetent with the actual game, things would've been solved in other ways. Like the example in this video providing solid alternatives to watching particles from a bird-eye view. It still baffles me how they could have investors, a great game and loyal fans only to throw it all away in record time.

@CR0WYT

17 күн бұрын

@@nivyan you NEVER skip the grassroots period as it's such an important part of the development for any esport, especially if esports was an afterthought for the game. Skipping that crucial period of growth while handicapping Tier 2 growth was already the beginning of the end.

@nivyan

17 күн бұрын

@@CR0WYT Again; that's very easy to say with hindsight. But at the time it proved successful for a period; things teetered out once Blizzard started making terrible balance decisions and failed to solve huge problems with the game - loyalty kept the game alive, but that trust was lost over time.

@ironCondor623

16 күн бұрын

@@nivyan Balance and problems were not the issues with OWL, OWL died because the money (crypto backing) vanished as the bubble failed to maintain itself

@awyrlas

16 күн бұрын

@@nivyan You don't need the benefit of hindsight to know that gutting the grassroots scene before it could even get off of the ground is a bad idea. Blizzard took a massive gamble with the OWL and it went exactly as expected. All of the success it saw was a direct result of Blizzard dumping millions of dollars into keeping it going. The OWL was a manufactured bubble that had to burst eventually. I'm honestly surprised it didn't pop way sooner.

You are a real one for giving OWL credit in the areas it deserves (and also criticizing it when it deserves it). Tough to find fair discussion of OW in general, keep it up

the golden days of overwatch really were the best times ive ever had with gaming in my life

Homestands were a pretty fire idea imo. Covid killed them before we could really see their full form but I think they were a good idea.

@d4s0n282

17 күн бұрын

ima be honest, it was kinda dead before covid imo

@scottbrayton9484

17 күн бұрын

@@d4s0n282 OWL perhaps but im referring to the concepts of homestands specifically.

@MatoVidovic_

17 күн бұрын

​@@scottbrayton9484it wouldve unfortunatmy killed players with the insane ammount lf traveling + living from hotel room to hotel room 24/7. Not sustainable for an entire season (but def cool nontheless)

@exigency2231

17 күн бұрын

Homesteads would have absolutely murdered teams financially

@LukenszMk

16 күн бұрын

I think they should have kept going with one place like the Blizzard Arena with some teams, chosen through some means, hosting playoffs and eventually grand finals. They did that a few times with stage finals being held in Dallas or Toronto or whatever. It would still be viable financially while providing an extra oomph to those events.

Not just the esports scene, but the entire community and game felt magical to be apart of. You could really feel the love during the golden ages.

shoutout to the rando that gifted me all access on twitch way back in 2019. i used to watch all the tank players pov, especially dva players during goats. i learned so much and started taking the game seriously. it led to me joining an amateur team in 2020 and my team ended up winning a tournament (undefeated!) called scrub cup. our team, the sombruhs, stayed together for one year and it was hectic but so much fun to improve and learn as a team. anyway, i like to think it all started because someone randomly picked me out in the owl chat way back when :)

The opening section of this video was so funny. I love this channel hahaha.

My regret from that Overwatch All Access was not utilizing that feature more. I am looking forward to a PPV-esque experience with that in future Esports titles. Tangentially, Overwatch coverage during this era was how I fell in love with the channel, and what the channel does for Esports. Ever since my Gold Tier days 🥳.

Another unique spectator system was DOTA 2 VR, you could walk around the replay

New Overwatch video from Akshon wow

better days, i miss that

@Xfacta12482

17 күн бұрын

the rose tinted glasses are strong with this one

I didn't see it mentioned but in 2018 Blizzard also released the Overwatch World Cup viewer, which allowed players to view World Cup games in real time via an Overwatch Client (additional download). This seems to have been a once off though, as it never came back (assuming that stream viewers are better for partners and advertisers). I also don't think it had in-game commentary either.

Overwatch understood their audience but lost sight of it due to corporate greed. It was peak but then businessmen do as businessmen do and decided that they knew what was best for something they were not qualified to judge

I think owl using a dedicated venue to make every event a LAN was really cool and should be adopted by other esports

I always thought that peak OW esport was before the OWL actually. I did my first (and only, sadly) LAN at that time and idk, the energy was different and I think the camera work was also much different as I remember some issues in that regard during OWL I think the team names impacted that feeling. The command center was actually great tho. I tried it when it was available for a try and it was fun but wasn't really meant for the pure spectacle. Still, that was actual innovation

lil bro really just said overwatch was peak lmao.

Another thing that I really liked about early OWWC (and later OWL for a brief period) was the replay viewer specifically to watch the past matches. IIRC it started with OWWC where the matches were available for anyone to enter and watch and it was exactly like the current in-game replay system. Seeing content creators (Jayne specfically) using it to do vod reviews and talk about the matches after the fact was really fun.

I remember watching every single owl game in seasons 1 and 2 and treating it on the same level like the NFL and NBA. Even if your team wasn't playing that day there were still a lot of star players that you watch do their thing.

I was at the Season 1 Finals and that DJ Khaled performance was painful. Guy's entire shtick is he sings half the song and then the audience sings the rest....except nobody knew any of the lyrics so it was just dead silent. Was the most awkward performance I've seen since watching Afroman open for They Might Be Giants.

Loved the jokes and great commentary! Especially 0:35.

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing.

The command centre really made watching OWL extremely enjoyable!! I was so sad when they removed it...

It still breaks my heart when I think of the sheer potential that OWL had its height. I miss it so much.

I think you're underselling CSTV / GOTV. It also allows you to control the camera yourself during the match. You can just fly from bombsite to bombsite or overhead if you want!

Watching Apex through command centre was a really great tool esp, with how chaotic apex can get with multiple fights across the map. It's just sad that Command Centre was ultimately scrapped recently.

Ow content back alive!!! LETS GOO

its honestly sad that there might never be another game like overwatch 1 in its prime and they'll never fix ow2

owl season 2 was a great time to be a gamer

Blizzard's Innovation: Attempting to find a viable new microtransaction method

If you didn't play 2016 - 2019 Overwatch it was absolutely peak, genuinely redefined the genre

Dota 2 allowed us to watch TI from inside the map of live games in VR. It had issues, but it was one of the craziest inovations when it comes to viewing pro esports.

Real OGs and God gamers know it was and always will be Overwatch Also love you're guyses vids been watching for years now❤

@Akshonesports

17 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for the support!

The missiles had me dying

It's crazy to see how Overwatch has so many "could-haves" that were destroyed through varying levels of their own fault. Never was a competitive sports guy for anything, but OWL S2 was so entertaining I didn't care

Hell yeah. Can we get more OW stuff man

i was gonna leave a comment about CS being better but.... you showed DJ Khaled funny dance... my eyes are opened

In terms of E-sport, I would say any game that my mom "understands" I would count as best streaming exp game. And TOP 1 would be CS. Everyone understands guns/granades etc, all I needed to tell her was who wins if timer runs out and what "bomb and bombsites" are.

thought you could sneak the skullgirls menu theme in there without anyone noticing? nuh uh 🔥

I'd like to see games provide replays of completed pro games for free inside the client and release a subscription service that lets you custom spectate pro games live inside the game client to generate some revenue. It would also be great if both of these features included the option to listen to comms, the casters, or neither.

You now see this with faceit streams for cs! Great vid

The first thing I thought when they signed to KZread was “I wonder how they’re going to transfer the command center”. Man.

I was about to bring up GOTV, i used to watch alot of games that way especially when theres in game drops. I dont know if thats still a thing since i stopped playing CS in 2022 and switched to Valorant but damn you brought back some good memories.

The ship has sailed, but Overwatch had the potential to be one of the greatest esports of all time. Such a fun game at its core but terribly mismanaged IP:/

didnt know that existed, i just let the stream on the side to get tokens

What Blizzard did (or did not) to OW was the biggest throw I've seen in gaming Not even my teammates in gold/plat get close to that

Why is there no mention for the Watch for Dota 2? They were already selling online experiences before OWL with their ticket system and Interactive viewing using the game application itself. You could watch player perspectives or watch everyone without fog of war, you can zoom out or you can have it directed by the casters themselves. You even have a live chat with everyone else watching including the casters.

Owl on launch really was peak

When the command center went away my enjoyment of watching OWL decreased like 80%

I honestly think that the new format is much more healthy for the growth of the esport and has led to a lot of teams we probably never would have seen in the old model

blizzard shit the bed so hard. They should have never gone after Pepe

some games are simply less of an enjoyable viewing experience than others. I think CS has the biggest advantage on this part, 95% of the action can be followed through a singular camera jumping to different pov, with an occasional extra pov during a 1v1. static cameras can be occasionally cool for pre site execution, but often aren't very necessary.

I always said OWL was peak for viewer experience, despite never knowing about the command center. Match info was easily accessible, casters were strong (until the last season), observers did AMAZING (s3 onward), rosters were steady so it was easy to pick a team and stay with it, all info was centralized, and now OWCS has none of that. Very viewer unfriendly. It's a shame OWL was so bad for the orgs (Blizzard included) because it was great for everyone else

I'm not gonna lie, the clickbait got me lol. But you're right, the all access pass was peak

in the OWCS the players can stream their own pov, right?

Will we get more overwatch stuff btw

I play a lot of video games and consume a lot news around the industry but do not care for the competitive scene. That being said, trying to scroll through any page that didn’t have Overwatch updates plastered all over was pretty hard for a while. It blew my mind in particular when I was at work and the TVs (which are only kept on sports channels) were showing live tournaments.

It all went downhill after season 3. I'm lucky I got to work in the league for 3 season but it was never what it could have been after covid

the current Faceit streams for cs2 is the same but better

It sucks being an Esports fan and lover that doesnt always want to watch CS or Val, cause most viewing experinces just kinda suck

Dude f*** yeah I remember the command center I used it to watch povs I missed that

The move to KZread was such a disaster

Another overwatch video thank god i missed them

CS is easily my favorite esport to watch. Pretty easy to follow, tons of talent in casting and observing, and they've had most of this stuff figured out for the better part of a decade. Free too. CSTV is free, streams are typically not exclusive to Twitch or KZread (there's actually a Blast tournament right now and they have their own platform in addition to those two, Blast TV which is also free and excellent). There are several very high level production tournament organizers and a lot of the biggest names also have incredible staying power, which is extremely underrated as an aspect of esports in my opinion. It's still a bit of an issue, but rosters in most team esports can be revolving doors, making it difficult to get particularly invested in the 7th iteration of a team that you expect will be completely gone at the end of the year and replaced with fresh faces. I like cheering for players, not orgs. It also helps that there are competitive teams from all over. Overwatch felt a lot like a primarily Korean esport. It's cool to be able to root for a Brazilian team if you're Brazilian, or a Ukrainian team if you're Ukrainian, or a Canadian + Brazilian + Latvian + Danish team if you're an American.

Went to watch overwatcb at dreamhack, was so much fun

I still use my OW 2019 twitch badge

2:25 blinded by super's forehead

I miss the SF shock :(

I wish Siege had a command center.

Didn't dota 2 also offer full view point selection in client with full selection of which commentary to integrate with?

@DragN_H3art

16 күн бұрын

you can also rewind while watching live

Ah man, it’s a shame people are only coming around on OWL now that it’s dead. I really loved that weird league.

We need at least 1 more micro plays PLEASE

Did Overwatch go from 6 v. 6 to 5 v 5 to make it easier for viewers to watch the action?

Nah, can't be saying this when Rocket League exists.

This is true!

Actiblizzard stopped caring long ago... lol

Now shooters in esports is valorant and.. valorant. Man i sure do love getting one tapped (not)

@carterdelaney4648

17 күн бұрын

I don’t even hate being oneshot, it’s being oneshot and then being unable to play the game for 5 minutes afterwards

@somebodyanonymous5725

16 күн бұрын

CS is better and bigger

Iwatodai Dorm banger

What about the Dota 2 in game viewer?

Dota spectator is similar to the one from counter strike and I would say it's good and free

Peak online viewer experience maybe

wow

The streamer Atrioc was at twitch during this whole time has stated that the entire OWL was a failure, at least for twitch. Having control over how you view doesn’t change that Overwatch is a mess for viewers because it’s constant chaos and an assault on the sense.

Overwatch world cup was amazing to watch. Year 1 2 and 3 were awesome. Owl awful experience.

Blizzards biggest mistake was the deal with youtube

3:23 me when the alpha layer doesn't automatically carry over 3:27 me when the alpha layer does automatically carry over

@Akshonesports

17 күн бұрын

He was in alpha :)

Overwatch was NOT peak esports. A casual/first time viewer wouldn't buy the pass and would have a bad spectating experience. 25 million dollars for a franchise was always going to end badly. Crazy overvaluation.

@orieLab_

17 күн бұрын

yeah I don't know what coppium akshon was using but I want that csgo was actually peak, gotv was a free experience where you could control EVERYTHING on the spectators view with your own in game settings, also, the souvenir giveaways made it actually beneficial to watch the matches from the game compared to twitch or yt

@internetrules8522

17 күн бұрын

I think they were saying it had a good spectating system. you like had live stats, could watch each individual hero, had a top down map. Other guy talking about gotv im not familiar with that but that might be a good competitor to this system, but the OW system would have to account for the more moba-esque gameplay of OW

@josephreynolds2401

16 күн бұрын

​@@internetrules8522 It seems a lot of people are unaware that Overwatch is a lot more like a 3d, first person moba and the shooter mechanics are more like auto attacks than they've ever been. Wish they'd lean into it and make some of the abilities match that standard. The only reason Hero kits are so barren with forgettable buttons/ults is because the barebone kits fit 6v6 better. That other game automatically generated robust, interesting interactions through sheer permutations but now there is a bit of a void left without those 2 players. What's left in that void could be filled by an interesting viewing and a robust player experience. But Team 4 hasn't tapped that potential yet.

I have loved this game since release and still firmly believe it had more potential then any other fps (especially at the time) but it has fallen so short in so many avenues i dont think it'll ever bounce back That said, i still have a massive addicition to OW and will probably play until the servers die 😂😅

fr, it was peak, i miss command center, apex kinda has that tho

1:33 it already sounds like a very bad idea.

Leaving Twitch was the most stupid move ever possible Blizzard could have done to Overwatch. This, along with the tanks meta sent the game into a deep grave that it couldn't ever fully recover from.

I really miss OWL

bruh, sourceTV existed and was free since 2004.

That youtube contract also murdered Hearthstone esports viewership. They wanted OWL, but the deal bundled every other Blizz esport in the package. One of the most shortsighted, Shoot yourself in the foot, cash in and stop growing your audience decision in SPORTS period, not just esports. Absolutely moronic.

you really missed out mentioning dota's crazy spectator experience that almost have all these feature you mentioned

Ts finna hurt me i alr know

ow1 owl was def peak

Overwatch biggest lost for me was this channel, this level on entertainment. I always woke up and watched the highlight of the NA games whenever they were released. It was a quick 10 minutes per video for a 2 hour long stream, showing off each play. I NEVER understand why they stopped, it made me overall loss interest in NA scene then later PAC scene