Oh yeah, finally getting to some Beethoven sonatas and with Pletnev to boot. Awesome!

Fantastic! You should really listen to Beethovens apassionata sonata(No 23) ! One of his greatest but tbh every Beethoven sonata is unique! Please keep exploring them☺️

About what you said around 11:00, you will definitely start to see more of Beethoven’s virtuosic side as you hear more of his sonatas. Also, the one of the sonatas you may be talking about that you didn’t understand is Chopin sonata no 3

@dosterix6034

Жыл бұрын

No I think he listened to another Beethoven Sonata but I don't know if the video is stil online it's pretty long ago

@6894q

Жыл бұрын

@@dosterix6034 idk about that but he also felt that way about chopin sonata no 3

After the first movement, you mention that this is the fastest Beethoven you've heard. But a lot of it has to do with the other recordings you've heard, rather than what Beethoven wrote. For example, the fourth movements of Beethoven's 7th and 8th symphonies should be among the fastest music he wrote, but the recording of the 7th that you heard was one of the slowest recordings of it, and the recording of the 8th that you heard was also slower than average.

Beethoven was the first composer to be able to support his work through commercial music publishing. Prior to this, composers were employed either by aristocrats, or the church. That's not to say that Beethoven didn't accept commissions from aristos, but he just wasn't dependent on them. This piece is named after one such aristo: Count Ferdinand Ernst Gabriel von Waldstein

@joebloggs396

Жыл бұрын

Schumann apparently could get by just through publishing, not sure if Beethoven did. But it was more about copyright and the changing business of publishers than the composers. Composers had already gone freelance getting away from courts/church.

@gaopinghu7332

Жыл бұрын

@@joebloggs396 Schumann came after Beethoven, though, that's why the original commenter said "first". _Although_ I would argue that it was actually Mozart.

@joebloggs396

Жыл бұрын

@@gaopinghu7332 I know that. I was just saying it seems clear in Schumann's case. Beethoven's performing ability declined with his hearing loss so that may have meant he depended on some publishing rights, though he had plenty of commissioned works still.

@gaopinghu7332

Жыл бұрын

@@joebloggs396 ah, I see.

You should listen to the rest of the Beethoven sonatas, they are all good. My favourite is No. 32 Op. 111

I've learned the first movement of this sonata and it's a really fun piece to play

@mandarbamane4268

11 ай бұрын

Wow man, that's cool

Bro Beethoven was a terrific virtuoso pianist and improviser, piano is his mother language, his piano pieces get this fast and complex very often. This sonata is really the typical Beethoven, you only listened to like two of his piano sonatas, it's normal that you wouldn't recognize him. You'll notice that Beethoven is easier to listen to than the modern sonatas you usually react to. Despite his complexity his soul is probably the most powerful in all of music, and it emerges very clearly. Instead for simpler sonatas still very beautiful and enjoyable you can count on Mozart.

22:37 yeah man, i fell that too

wooooh!! gonna cheer you on your (hopefully) soon sonata phase 😆 i think they're my favorite genre of classical piano (beethoven, chopin, scriabin, and prokofiev's are just peak music)

The Hammerklavier sonata is also wonderful. Liszt gave a very famous performance of it in his youth, which would have been incredible to witness!

My favorite sonata... I also love the Annie Fischer performance of this.

You should listen to appassionata next, you would love it

@GiacomoPhilipp92

Жыл бұрын

But then Richter or at least Gilels.

@kofiLjunggren

Жыл бұрын

@@GiacomoPhilipp92Yea Appasionata is a great choice

Gidi I am loving going on the journey with you. It's wonderful to come across pieces that I have never heard before. This isn't one of those, but I enjoyed listening to it with you. All the best.

Great, Beethoven's other big middle period sonatas are the so-called Farewell Sonata op. 81 and the Appasionata op. 57. The farewell is even faster.

I think this is my favourite Beethoven sonata and I loved your reaction!

Waldstein is my favorite piano piece of all time

I have loved this piece for years. Pletnev's performance is fast yes and is really great. Thanks for the share1

Good video. You have to listen to Horowitz interpretation too.

Those glassando octaves....how? Wow.

Beethoven is always great. You should look into more Bach on your channel my friend. He is the father, Beethoven is the son.

Oh yes, the magnificent Waldstein! This is the piece that got me hooked on classical music many decades ago! This performance, like most, suffers a bit from overly fast tempos. But it is still very good.

@Quotenwagnerianer

Жыл бұрын

The only thing that suffers is my head, if I have to hear one more time that Beethoven is played too fast. He used to be played way too slow and that has been rectified in the last 30 years. This here is how it should be played when it comes to tempi. However I would not exactly pick Pletnev as the best choice for Beethoven sonatas. There are so many to choose from, but someone like Gulda or Brendel are the people who really got his music. Case in point being the octave scales in the coda of the last movement. Pletnev cheats (just like in the editors note of this score who claims that is the usual simplification). I prefer the pianists who actually play octaves at this point, even if that means they can't really play it legato.

@bilahn1198

Жыл бұрын

@Quotenwagnerianer Sorry, I disagree. And my head hurts when I hear your comment. Too many pianists equate quality with speed. This is especially true of students and amateurs. How do you know how fast it was played in Beethoven's time,? Do you have a recording? Beethoven wrires "Allegro con Brio" . Like all markings that is open to interpretation, but Prestissimo does not come until the very end. Listen to Claudio Arrau for the proper tempo. He does not try to impress by playing the piano as fast as he can. The Waldstein seems to be especially prone to this. The fast tempo by Pletnev is absurd. At that speed, it is hard to include much nuance

@gustavthulin3447

Жыл бұрын

It does sound a bit stressful at times. Gilels is definitely the way to go when comes to Waldstein (and Apassionata).

@Quotenwagnerianer

Жыл бұрын

@@bilahn1198 This is not even close to as fast as possible. It's exactly how tempi went down during this time. I'm sick and tired of people like you ignoring 40 years of historical research on the matter of tempi in the 18th and early 19th Century. It IS Allegro con brio. When you look at Beethoven's metronome markings he often ranges this somewhere around 132 to 148. This is exactly where this recording falls into. There is nothing absurd about this tempo. The only thing absurd is this long bygone penchant of taking everything slower for "nuance". That's a romantic tradition not a classical one.

@bilahn1198

Жыл бұрын

@Quotenwagnerianer . I suppose you would like to hear it on the tinny piano of Beethoven's day as well. I'm familiar with you "original instrument" fanatics. I vote then for the "romantic"tradition.. It seems to me it was an improvement, and your snobbery is not going to prevent me from enjoying it the way I prefer it to be played. It's TOO FAST.

Mega nice.

I love music beethoven❤

yo Gidi u shuld react to more violin pieces:)like:,Wieniasky violin concerto nr.1,or Motzart concertos,there are a lot of them and it whuld be sad not to see them cuz they are VERY good:)

Appassionata would make a great react video IMO

23:32 damn those octave slides....

@Kolchicine

Жыл бұрын

Smooooth

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Beethoven's piano sonatas are amazing. Listen to 1st, 8th, 21st, 23rd, 29th, 31st and 32nd. 30 is great too, 14 is a bit overplayed, or reaaaallly overplayed, sadly overshadowing the other, greater ones, to the public...

You should try Les Adieux by Beethoven, my favourite

U should listen to any of beethovens sonatas 30-32, especially barenboims version of 30th

Gidi, I strongly suggest that you watch this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX9-0dhrlMSylto.html This is a video of Bernstein explaining "Sonata Form" using the New York Philharmonic. He plays examples from symphonies and sonatas that really help people understand the "form" of much of classical music. Sonata form is used in many symphonies, concertos, and, of course, sonatas. You can watch it in your free time or make a reaction video out of it. Would be very interesting.

Ah yes! My 2nd favorite Beethoven Sonata. If you like this one you should listen to Op. 106 "Hammerklavier" Beethoven's most difficult piano work. For a bit it was considered unplayable.

Yo let’s get GIDI on a Beethoven sonata tour 😈 someone get him on the popular ones e.g. appasionata, tempest, pathetique, hammerklavier, moonlight, no.15 etc.

@joebloggs396

Жыл бұрын

All of them are popular, some may not have have names that a publisher attached but they can still be great. My favourite is the 30th, it has no name but it doesn't need one as it's still very popular. Of the earlier ones the 2nd, or the 15th which has a name, or the playful 18th...

@fatitankeris6327

Жыл бұрын

​@joebloggs396 no 1 though... It's great too, especially 1st and last mvts. The 32 has the most badass themes, a jazzy new style barely anyone imagined at the time, and more.

@joebloggs396

Жыл бұрын

@@fatitankeris6327 All are good. Overall though I like the last movements of 30 and 31 more than that of 32.

@FirstGentleman1

Жыл бұрын

No. 15 has a nickname too, the Pastoral. But lo, the best sonatas don't have nicknames, talking especially about the last three.

Please when you have the time do kapustin concerto 3 seeming as you loved the 4 th one !!! It’s a real vibe !

Recommend Schiff for beethoven sonatas

Have you tried his first sonata? Some of my favourite ones are the Tempest and the Appassionata, and I believe you've heard the Pathetique, but I don't remember.

Pletnev's version of Waldstein is highly regarded. FYI

I firmly believe that you should listen to Beethoven sonata 28 in A major. I believe it to be the closest humans will ever get to perfection!

Ravel Sonatine

I think you should now revisit the last sonata as I think you will find it will make a lot more sense to you now. You simply cannot miss out on Beethoven doing boogie woogie about 100 year before everybody else.

I think people have requested the wrong style of sonatas. Prokofiev and Scriabin is too modern and complex. Gidi should have started with the Mozart and Beethoven sonatas and them move on from there.

5:06 why does the pianist play the ostinato at the end of expo, bar 84, "to the end", when it's written differently (to not end in there, but to end in the next bar, 85, on the bass gallop)? It ruins the fluidity of the smooth end blending into the gallop of the bass from the beginning...

@tamer3397

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea what you mean, but he skips the repeat and plays the 2nd ending of that phrase

@susanbryant6516

Жыл бұрын

Maybe using a different score than the one on the screen, maybe a choice of his personal take on it.

Please do composers of African descent. Thank you!

@Quotenwagnerianer

Жыл бұрын

Why? Just to fill a quota? I know of none that wrote anything particularly better than anybody else.

@Ziad3195

Жыл бұрын

​@@QuotenwagnerianerNo, it's true that if they are composers from the past, they faced unfair treatment and they might have written really good music, but we just have no idea because they and their music was discriminated against. That being said, I also don't know of amazing pieces by people of African Descent but I know BRILLIANT AND GORGEOUS AND MAGICAL pieces by the female composer, Lili Boulanger, who only died at 24...

@Quotenwagnerianer

Жыл бұрын

@@Ziad3195 No one received unfair treatment. They all had their chance based on the merits of their music alone. And they failed to grip audiences. It's as simple as that. This new fad, that their non existance in the classical canon has somehow to do with colonialism and the surpression of black composers, is just bs. There is Colleridge-Taylor, who wrote admirable music, but still nothing better than those among the white contemporaries that also did not make the cut. There is Scott Joplin is recognized, but shoehorned himself into a corner. There is Florence Price, and she is also not one iota better or worse than other american male white composers of that time. So there is no reason to listen to anyone of them just because they deserve it. No, they don't deserve it more than any 2nd tier composer that has forgotten and not made it into the repertoire.

@Ziad3195

Жыл бұрын

@@Quotenwagnerianer im sorry you are objectively wrong about the first part of the reply. i won't explain more than that. also I'm not woke.

@6894q

Жыл бұрын

@@Quotenwagnerianer how have you made it to that conclusion?