4:21 Hah. I misread the thumbnail as “self healing” and then you showed self healing concrete. Bravo.

@adashofbitter

Ай бұрын

On that note, there’s a synthetic biology research project at Macquarie University, NSW, working on creating microbes that excrete cement. Or at least, there was when I studied there 4 years ago. The hope is that it will be a cheap way of filling cracks. I like to think they’ll end the world when their synthetic species becomes invasive and covers the world in concrete.

@swiddle1

Ай бұрын

Me too. I misread it the same way.

@Window4503

Ай бұрын

I misread it as self-hating!

@Maungateitei

Ай бұрын

​@@adashofbitterWhy create them? They already exist in all our geothermal springs. One of my favorite hobbies is growing geothermal hotpool terraces like the famous pink and white terraces. It took us thousands of years working with nature to make that masterpiece. Don't let anyone tell you they were a natural formation. But there are a huge variety and they feed on all sorts of different chemistries and pH. I thought it said self healing concrete too btw🤔🤭. Self heating isn't so flash. Zeolite clays do that. Just add water.

@BCowcorn

Ай бұрын

No mention of how people recently figured out how Roman concrete self heals.

You could also argue that a thin layer of water could later cause it to eventually freeze at lower temps and lead to dangerous ice layers under the snow

@ControlProblem

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure whether the concept of ice "under the snow" is actually dangerous. The thing you step on is whatever is at the top. So it would be packed snow on top of ice.

@svinkuk2652

Ай бұрын

same reason salt is an aweful idea in places where it gets cold enough for salted water to freeze. It becomes a perfect sheet of ice when it gets a bit colder, then when the weather heats up just a bit you get a wetted icy surface, its so slippery its almost not even funny any more lol. Never mind all the other reasons why salting the roads is criminally bad (mainly rust)

@vulcanfeline

Ай бұрын

@@ControlProblem ice under snow is kinda worse as you walk with confidence on the snow but the snow slips on the ice and... particularly dangerous for old folks like me btw: i'm from central SK in canada. the last few yrs it's been getting worse with freezing rain, snow melt in the middle of winter, snow over ice, etc - consequences of climate change

@found6393

Ай бұрын

@@ControlProblem With respect, you've clearly not lived in a cold climate. The slickest surface possible is wet ice. The second slickest, but arguably just as dangerous, is snow on ice*. The water and snow act as a further lubricant on an already smooth and slick surface. The first is dangerous because any traction at all can become impossible. The second is dangerous because it's not something you can spot at first look. *Not to be confused with frozen snow.

@sophiophile

Ай бұрын

​@@ControlProblemNot sure if you live in a place with heavy winters, but as a Canadian it *is* absolutely dangerous (both for cars and for people) when you have a layer of ice under thin snow like that.

Two other smart materials I read about recently: one has retroreflectors built in to reflect the Sun's energy back to its source, to help reduce the "heat island" effect in cities. The idea is that roofs would unroll this material during the summer, and then roll it back up in the winter to conserve the sun's energy. Another one is a specific kind of white paint that radiates energy in the IR band atmospheric spectrum "hole", allowing the energy to be radiated to space (on cloudless days/nights). This white paint allows the radiating surface to become cooler than the surrounding air by up to 8C, which is a pretty big deal.

@utkua

Ай бұрын

Yes but none of the examples of cooling effect I've seen told anything about how much energy it can radiate, something like BTU/cm2. You can cool a very thin layer, and measure temperature but that would not have any practical use.

@yeroca

Ай бұрын

@@utkuaThat's a great point. Watts/(m^2) would also be a good metric.

@MCsCreations

Ай бұрын

Well, I installed solar panels at my roof. And curiously, the room below got significantly colder than it was before.

@johnwang9914

Ай бұрын

The white paint attributed to Purdue University does reflect more light but not due to nanoscale reflectors. It's just white paint due to barium sulfates. There are no micro reflectors involved, you just made that up to make it easier for yourself to understand.

@kaoskronostyche9939

Ай бұрын

This is yet another IDIOT solution to a non-problem. The carbon footprint of producing the Portland Cement power used to bind the aggregates into concrete is ENORMOUS. Billions of cubic feet of natural gas is used to manufacture cement powder and the other resources required like sand are also in short supply and the mining thereof, like all mining, is environmental catastrophe. Sand is so rare it is often supplied by a criminal black market which, of course, is locally environmentally even more destructive than commercial mining of or crushing of material to make sand. BTW, many people attack me regarding the sand crisis. I have seen at least two documentaries on the situation. The problem is a very specific type of sand is required for concrete aggregate. So before you mindlessly attack me, go look it up and educate yourself.

I’m an architect and snowmelt system are a real pain to deal with as they are quite delicate and difficult to work around if future repairs are required. Very interesting concept!

@nirmalasokan1687

Ай бұрын

Plus, snow melting solutions have to have an efficient way to get rid of the water, or it'll freeze and form ice which is much worse than dealing with snow

@olik136

Ай бұрын

not to mention that they mostly are used as a "plan b" when the normal solution can't be used. And especially in Germany where it rarely gets that cold.. the first time those systems would be needed, there is a good chance they don't work anymore and nobody noticed..

@diezeljames7910

Ай бұрын

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@publicdomain3378

Ай бұрын

Wont work if it dosent rise above freezing every single day.

@The1stDukeDroklar

10 күн бұрын

@@publicdomain3378 Good point.

Of course - when winter sets in properly the phase change will merely delay the onset of frost - once it is properly chilled for the season, you will be back to shovelling... In regions where daytime temperatures rise to as high as 5 degrees - it all sounds good - delaying freezing until "late hours-pm" is nice..

@josir1994

Ай бұрын

In regions where the coldest winter night don't drop below 10 degrees... ... what is winter?

@ProulxS

Ай бұрын

But it mostly snow when temperatures are near 0 rather than at -40. So this would help alot to prevent accumulation on most of snowy days and if you make sure to let water get out of the way you should nkt end up with icy walkway once temp do fall too low.

@ericsmith6394

Ай бұрын

The pavement will also stay colder as weather goes above the 5c transition. This will transfer more energy into it than normal, resulting in less total ice...but only if your weather goes above that temp. Otherwise it's no better than cheaper 'dumb' rocks. I can imagine areas that pay for heated sidewalks using this. Maybe it could save electricity on the milder days.

@Tron-Jockey

Ай бұрын

So true. Like chemical batteries, thermal batteries (Phase Change Materials in this case) need to be "charged" before they can be used. If the PCM is being used for heating then it must be returned to it's "melted" state after it finally freezes solid. It the PCM is being used for cooling (i.e. ICE cube), it needs to be re-frozen after it has completely melted. A PCM absorbs or gives off heat the most while it changes phase. I had once read where they were experimenting with coconut oil in the Philippines to moderate temperature fluctuations in the home. During the night in regions where nighttime temperatures fell below the freezing temperature of coconut oil (roughly 86 F), the oil would charge (freeze) and be ready by morning for the coming afternoon heat where it would begin absorbing heat attempting to keep the home at 86F or below. Interesting idea but it took huge amounts of oil to be effective and all that oil would have to freeze each night which necessitated temperatures to be quite a bit lower than 86F. Not many places in the Philippines ever get that cool overnight.

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

While true, many regions on this planet don't have temperatures below the freezing point 24 hours a day. Same in colder regions, very early and very late in the winter. This material lowers the number of days one has to take care of snow, often to zero.

This is so interesting. What baffled me most were the paints that emit so well in the infrared that their temperature can be below the air temperature at daytime😢

@SabineHossenfelder

Ай бұрын

Yes, I was about to mention this, but I think they call it a metamaterial rather than a smart material. I'm not sure that's a very well-defined distinction though.

@svinkuk2652

Ай бұрын

theres a youtuber called 'nighthawkinlight' who has been developing his own, its cool stuff (pun intended) you point the painted surface at the sky and it sends the heat off at a specific ir wavelength through the atmosphere into space.

@katrinabryce

Ай бұрын

@@svinkuk2652 Tech Ingredients also did a video on it.

@olibertosoto5470

Ай бұрын

With the global warming some cooling concrete would be nice.

@linuxificator

Ай бұрын

I think these paints don't really work, I tried, they don't emit more energy than they absorb, they just have a specific emission spectrum which confuses a radiation based thermometer. When you use a pt1000 sensor the material is still hotter than the surrounding air.

this reminds me of those guys who lived in scottland thousands of years ago who covered their houses in mounds of compost, being a big pile of dirt, it not only insulated them from the cold, but because its compost it gets warm from all the composting that the compost does, so it actively heated the houses. Absolutely brilliant, and you then also had lots of good dirt for your crops in the summer.

@stephencrowther524

Ай бұрын

Scotland

@yurisonovab3892

Ай бұрын

@@stephencrowther524 scott can do it too

@svinkuk2652

Ай бұрын

@@stephencrowther524 whoops

@sophiophile

Ай бұрын

Does it reach snow temperatures in Scotland? Active composting (that produces a lot of heat) requires pretty huge piles (like, as tall as a person almost), and when it does cool off enough stops working entirely. Seems a little but suspect (especially considering how much speculation goes into archaeology).

@RalfMuschall

Ай бұрын

That's great. Compost has a higher power density than the core of the sun, so the house should get pretty hot.

Sounds like an amazing way to create a sheet of clear ice for everyone to fall on in the morning.

Dupont has been selling Energain, panels with a paraffin-based phase change material (PCM) for use inside buildings since at least 2011. It has a mixture with a phase change occurring from 18º~24º. It reduces heating and cooling costs in areas where the day/night temperature crosses the 18º~24º range.

@causewaykayak

Ай бұрын

My question on this is "is there a similarity between these materials and the (if I understand the mechanics correctly) principle of a Heat Pipe where wicking in a controlled environment uses latent heat (of evaporation/condensation) to draw significant energy from ambient temperature differences (say, between river water and a space to be heated in an adjacent building. ?? Heat pipes definitely work - I was wondering if your Energain used similar physics ??

@kungfreddie

Ай бұрын

I knew this was climate vaporware! Use an old idea not many now about to get investment money and then disappear!

@ryuuguu01

Ай бұрын

@@causewaykayak No it does not. It is used as a simple thermal mass. It is paraffin inside a 5mm panel that is placed inside a building to act as thermal mass. It was originally sold as being a better thermal than concrete. It does not move between the interior and exterior of the building directly. It is just used for storage that is optimized for temperatures crossing the 18º~24. Many companies are making similar products. I think the main challenges are cost and safety.

@causewaykayak

Ай бұрын

@@ryuuguu01 Thank You. That was a very clear and full explanation. Good of you to trouble replying. 👍🏼

Cracks and pot-holes are commonly caused by the added salt, not just the water. Salts penetrate and leave deposits below the surface, which expand when they get wet afterwards. My driveway has some small divots on the concrete where the tires rest, from salt residue on the tires. The environmental heating concrete will need the test of time, like every one of the solar roads and sidewalks, before we spend significant resources on them.

@yurisonovab3892

Ай бұрын

Plus all the salt sticks to the underside of your car, causing rust. Less salt, less car damage.

@Absaalookemensch

Ай бұрын

@@yurisonovab3892 Our county seldom uses salt, but a few times was enough. They mainly use sand, of which we have a free abundance of.

@FLPhotoCatcher

Ай бұрын

@@yurisonovab3892 Cybertrucks do not rust. The "rust" the press so quickly reported on is really rail dust - tiny flecks of steel from railroad tracks and train wheels that stuck to the truck and rusted. People have seen the exact same type of rust spots on new run-of-the-mill vehicles.

@yurisonovab3892

Ай бұрын

@@FLPhotoCatcher sir, this is a wendy's

@FLPhotoCatcher

Ай бұрын

@@yurisonovab3892 That doesn't stop people from throwing banana misinfo at each passing vehicle, or random video.

Hmm. 6 to 8 hours. But nights during winter are far longer than that and if the snow melts during the first half of the night and later freezes again because the concrete doesn't gives of heat anymore, then this melted water will freeze and create an even smoother surface than snow. Or am I wrong?

@EskWIRED

Ай бұрын

No you're right. Not only that, but Ice is very difficult to remove compared to fluffy snow.

@xlerb2286

Ай бұрын

You've got a point :) I think this stuff may be useful in borderline areas that get a little snow and just below freezing temps for their winters. But in colder areas like where I live I'm afraid we've got to keep shoveling.

@kungfreddie

Ай бұрын

You are very right... thats what we in cold countries fear the most. Snow on the roads is fine, but if it melts and then refreeze ur screwed.. ur gonna skid right off the road. And if u have it on walkways ur gonna have alot of ppl with broken hips! I can see the lawsuits already! This is a stupid idea that won't work... and they probably know it! But we will see some fine animation that reference this paper and they will get alot of investment from stupid ppl and firms and then the money goes bye-bye and no product ever gets sold. Just like all other climate vaporware!

@LaMirah

Ай бұрын

I expect a slight incline may help with that, where a layer of thawed water serves as a lubricant for the snow on top, and the whole thing slides off to the sides, keeping the main accesses clear. This obviously only helps where the snowfall is moderate and temperatures in the daytime go above 5°C to regenerate the phase changing material, so your mileage may, and will, vary.

@kungfreddie

Ай бұрын

​@@xlerb2286if it's cold enough to get snow that will stay on the ground as snow, then the nights are also longer than 6-8 hrs. And this shit is expensive I bet. It's much cheaper for cities to just keep using sand as they have always done. Also safer!

So, the snow must change its phase when the paraffin does..

@johnwang9914

Ай бұрын

Even water changing into ice releases heat. The wax hardening simply releases it's heat to prevent the water from freezing, at least till all the wax has hardened. It's like how you could put a paper cup filled with water over a bunsen burner and it wouldn't burn till all the water has boiled away. In truth, this only delays the formation of ice and the accumulation of snow in hopes that the driveway would remain clear long enough to heat up when the sun shines upon it again as bare concrete has a lower albedo than a snow covered driveway so it absorbs more solar heat if exposed.

@uncleal

Ай бұрын

Make the topmost eight inch of concrete jet black with a semi-conducting angular black pigment (micronized titanium carbide, ceramic mixed metal ferrites). Add sunlight..

@johnwang9914

Ай бұрын

@@uncleal Yeah, colouring the pavement black only works till it's covered with snow. You'd still be relying on the thermal mass storage of heat and embedding paraffin would still increase that thermal mass storage of heat so just making the pavement black would still benefit from this phase change approach.

Good start, but unlikely to ever work in Canada.

@jamesdenton3692

Ай бұрын

Me thinks this "C-ment" is gonna have get a lot more clever to work in Canunuckistain . In the meantime I'll put my hopes on "GLOBAL WARMING' to save my back.

@mewletter

Ай бұрын

Typical snowfall in Canada is at least 10 inches thick, eh?

@ryuuguu01

Ай бұрын

Hey, out here in Lala land southern BC coast, we are still part of Canada.

@manjsher3094

Ай бұрын

It's too warm now in Canada, in all the places that count.

@anthonyhiscox

27 күн бұрын

@@mewletter no doot

Hello Sabine, yes i do also have a sidewalk-cleaning schedule and i hate it with passion. It's combined with the Kehrwoche. (for those who don't know: kehrwoche means that one apartments is responsible to broom around the house (footpath around the house and/or stairs). Kehrwoche is still okay, as you can arrange that. However with snow, you are required to clean it, after it stopped snowing. However im Single, and Im working strange shifts. So when I work from 12pm to 10am i can't clean the snow before 11am. For the brooming itself, yes i can find time to do it once a week.

@hws888

Ай бұрын

Is this sidewalk cleaning duty a German self-mortification? Usually, there is a service hired to do this.

@catman64k

Ай бұрын

@@hws888 the land owner is responsible for the clean sidewalk. Now he has 2 options: hire a service for that or passing the responsibility to the inhabitants of the house. However if he hires a service, the landlord is allowed to pass the costs for it, to his tenants. So this means, if you rent a flat where you don't clean the sidewalk yourself the extra costs for the flat will increase. Just the snow thing is really annoying, as this might occur daily, while brooming is just once a week (every few weeks, depending on the number of flats..

Around 20 years ago I read about paraffin infused gypsum board/plasterboard/sheetrock/wallboard (depending on where you live) which would absorb heat during the hot afternoon (thus cooling the home) and releasing it at night (warming the home) and basically stabilizing the temperature. The temperature at which the phase change occurred was a comfortable room temperature of around 22c. Again, 20 years ago. I was excited about it at the time and looked forward to upgrading my home with this stuff some day but I've never seen it for sale and it would surely still be expensive.

@TomTschritter

Ай бұрын

cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/55819/file-14736951-pdf/docs/energain_flyer.pdf

You can improve this drastically by replacing some of the calcium with strontium 90. Even works in areas where it's always below zero.

Somehow this seems like a recipe to end up with a surface slick as a waxed surfboard, defeating the intended purpose of preventing slips and falls

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

This parrafin is inside to concrete, not on top of it.

Smart materials in sidewalks. I can hear the game show pitch now... "Are you smarter than a sidewalk?"

@MCsCreations

Ай бұрын

"Well, no, but who cares."

@DR_1_1

Ай бұрын

With concrete replacing green surfaces everywhere, which is already one of the major causes of global warming, do we really need that kind of "smartness"....

@gustavgnoettgen

Ай бұрын

"And it's not what you think!"

@MichaelBrown-me3bh

Ай бұрын

No, I can’t compete with that 😂

@nagualdesign

Ай бұрын

I've met people who are thicker than butyl.

You could mitigate any weakening of the concrete from the addition of parrafin by adding graphene to it as well. A small percentage can increase the strength of the concrete by upwards of 30%.

@daxtonbrown

Ай бұрын

I work for a company that manufactures graphene. We sometimes get 50%.

@gerryjamesedwards1227

Ай бұрын

@@daxtonbrown I tried to err on the low side, but 50% is amazing! I'm interested in getting into graphene production myself, I'm working on replicating Rice Labs' flash synthesis. Do you mind me asking which process your employer uses?

I like how it is told that it is designed to handle 2 inches of snow (which in reality will be something like 0.25 inches of snow) and in video cuts 10+ inches of snow is shown.

Remember that when it has been cold enough to switch the phase of the material, the same heating effect now becomes a cooling effect for when weather warms up again. This means this surface is now prone to icing up in moister weather after a cold night. The very same effect that causes "black ice", one of the most dangerous road conditions.

@HatsuneSquidward

Ай бұрын

Wouldn't it only do that at the place change temp for the parafin? So it might take longer to heat up but would still be above freezing while doing so?

@rhetorical1488

Ай бұрын

heh had a 360 and into a ditch onto the roof when it was 5c out on black ice. Since concrete for sidewalks is deliberate roughed up for traction all those pores hold water very well.

@Fiercesoulking

Ай бұрын

I don't think this works this way it needs to be +5C to absorb temperature not 0C the paper says. Actually I think it works better against sudden surface ice because it kicks in on heating at 0C

@maxfrobin8930

Ай бұрын

Except it only starts absorbing energy at 5°C or higher, so it won't cool until the temperature is significantly above freezing, right?

@1kreature

Ай бұрын

@@Fiercesoulking The radiating effects of the ground/concrete makes it lower than ambient air when influx is low. If this phase-change is close to 0c for example 4c (which is the warning temperature for roads) then staying at this temperature while changing phase would still increase the time in the morning before the surface is considered safe.

the ramp that leads to my garage has electical cables embedded, they work just for melting a supeficial ice layer, but if there is a lot of snow we avoid salt (corrosive!), and we use a smart material that runs on carbohydrates and a little (unfortunatly very little) animal fat, creates much Carbodioxide and some salty water drops in the process, and needs hi-tech hardware named "shovel"

@anthonyhiscox

27 күн бұрын

I don't know, I've seen a lot of these types of machines and smart is not the word I would have used to describe them.

In The Netherlands we have nearly all our highways and some provincial roads paved with what we call ZOAB (zeer open asfalt-beton) which is a mixture of very porous concrete and asphalt. This reduces the amount of spray induced by vehicles when the surface is wet, by very significant amounts. We've had this for several decades and it makes a huge difference in the visibility during wet weather. I can imagine this concrete will to have a significant positive effect. Surprised to see it only developing now.

Sabine, years ago I was watching Dave Garroway on the Today Show (yes, I'm that old) and he reported that he had his sidewalk and driveway replaced with new ones with heating pipes embedded. He could just turn on the steam and have a nice snow-free driveway for his morning commute. The next day, he had to turn it off and shoo all the strays off of his nice warm driveway! Advantages and disadvantages!

@markthebldr6834

Ай бұрын

Heated concrete inside and outside are pretty common in newer homes now.

@anthonyhiscox

27 күн бұрын

@@markthebldr6834 I want a venn diagram of people complaining my car isn't electric and people that won't pick up a shovel, instead choosing to have heated concrete.

I remember, once, that the Fraunhofer Institute in Freiburg/Breisgau (Germany) announced the invention of an enthalpy-driven coffee pot, which would keep its content at ideal drinking temperature level for half an hour or so (by dedicated paraffin inside the double-walls). Market start "next year". About 15 year ago. Never ever heard again about that. Now and then you can read about other smart applications of phase changing processes. But if you check the prices and the physical and chemical properties of those materials, you know why they are still in the labs and not out in the market: too expensive and/or too difficult to encase for more than a few years and/or too poisonous and/or too inflammable and/or impossible to recycle when encased and so on. Typical application for most of these: mockup-ups at science fairs, where technologically challenged local politicians hand out prices to middle-schoolers for intriguing inventions that could "save the world climate".

@anthonyhiscox

27 күн бұрын

Could this "save the world climate" though, even theoretically? Isn't storing sunlight on earth basically the driving force behind climate change?

This sounds like something that happens once. Once the phase changes, it's no longer able to "reactivate" until it's warmed enough by sunlight or geothermal heat. Here in NY the ground sometimes freezes in November and thaws in March. It would make the sidewalks safe for Grandma's thanksgiving dinner, and then you'd have to shovel it the rest of the season.

Nice idea, in theory. But, the enthalpy of fusion for water is much higher than that of paraffin, so, even under ideal conditions the paraffin can't make even close to it's own mass of snow melt, once, before it needs to be "recharged" again, and that requires providing the same amount of heat to it, beyond what's required to heat it to it's melting point. And that won't happen fast without really high temperatures. On top of that, it will release it's heat whenever the temperature is below the melting point, whether there's snow there to melt or not. In practice, it would probably not come close to melt it's own mass of snow during an entire winter in normal conditions. Most parts of the world that gets snow has all the ground thermal energy required to melt the snow from selected areas like streets and sidewalks, very close to the surface. In form of ground water, deep lake water, and other sources. Using a closed loop with a working fluid that evaporates by the heat provided and travels up in the system as a gas and the condenses to release the heat, and returns back down to the heat source as a liquid, gravity could transport the heat for free. It would even be possible to turn a tiny part of the heat energy into power that way, by turning it into a Rankine cycle. Extremely low efficiency due to the very small temperature difference, but not necessarily insignificant amount of power. If the same ground water based system is used to provide free cooling in the summer by pumping up liquid working fluid in the summer, the temperature of the ground water can be increased beyond it's "natural" temperature, and besides free cooling a tiny part of the heat energy transferred could again be turned into power, if considered worthwhile. As you would have to fight gravity that way, and power is typically abundant in form of solar power when you need a lot of cooling, the tiny amount net power possible to extract when putting heat back down would probably not be very valuable. The possibility to make the "recharging process" self powered can be an interesting advantage. There you go, practically free snow removal, on demand power generation in winter, and summertime cooling as a free bonus, in one system. No exotic materials or technologies, no scientific speculative breakthrough yet to happen required, just some very well proven and understood technologies applied in the right ways.

You mentioned that self cleaning paint that also cleans the air, I watched a report about Manila and their use of a paint that absorbs CO2. They paint high traffic areas like main roads and bridges with the stuff. It was making a small by noticeable difference in the CO2 levels.

This whole video made me appreciate my time in my Material Science course even more than I already do

First order transition phase change - volume change, too. Empty steel coffee ca , fill with molten paraffin (supermarket canning section). Near term it cools, solidifies (crystallizes!, opaque) and shrinks. *Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes* Return in a month or two. ZOWIE! Paraffin has a huge *equilibrium* volume change across phase transition. Make a concrete rigid against internal pressure. No problem! The phase-change material will not phase change if it cannot expand. TANSTAAFL, but...piezothermic filler! Walk on and defrost. Hire student loan scofflaws to constantly tread the walkways to amortize debt. When the Enviro-whiner bleeds there is no blood shed.

On the "self healing " concrete. The Romans invented that two thousand years ago. It uses larger granules of lyme which dissolve to fill cracks when they occur, rather then more man made polymers to contribute to pollution

This reminds me of something I read about log houses that tend to keep the inside cool when it is hot outside, and warm when it is cold outside. The effect was attributed to sap in the logs exhibiting this same sort of "phase change material" property, releasing heat when it solidifies and absorbing heat when it melts. It seems like a concept of possibly much wider application than heating sidewalks.

Sabine - what are you thinking? Have you forgotten all thermodynamics! This cement heater will only work once and if it is to work again, it will require a long heating period with temperatures above 12.5 degrees. When paraffin releases a lot of heat when it freezes, it will also require a lot of heat to melt again

"I think we underestimate material science because, let's be honest, it sounds kind of boring." Haha, on point! But these smart materials are exactly what I'd expect to see if we ever encountered a very advanced alien civilization, which of course is not boring at all.

Material science is one of the most impactful and important fields for society.

@TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox

14 күн бұрын

And definitely one of the (if not the) most underappreciated.

I loved my into to materials science when I got my BS/EL degree...it was like playing with things. i burnt too much of my hair with a soldering iron in some of my major core classes.....

When you think about it in the summer the ground naturally stays cooler and in the winter the ground is warmer. A catalyst for phase changes are really buried right under our feet.

That concrete sounds interesting, depending on the "heat storage capacity". Did I understand that it would be enough to release heat for 8 hours but then need to recharge the next day? It's fairly common in parts of the UK for the temperature to remain below zero (or at least below 5) for a week at a time in winter so it would not be useful there.

Self healing concrete… we’ve had coquina for hundreds of years! I’m from northern Florida so a lot of us learned about how the Spanish used it to build forts, and the coquina was especially adept at absorbing cannon ball fire. It was essentially indestructible.

Thank you for the video.

The self-cleaning paint has been available since 1999 in Europe and 2005 in the US. Lotusan developed this, saying it was based on the self-cleaning characteristic of plant leaves and flowers, in particular lotus plants. I first ran across it at a Bioneers conference in the early 2000s during a talk on biomimicry. It's sold under the names StoColor Lotusan and Südwest Lotusan, and possible some others. Kinda pricey though.

you are very good at what you do here. thank you.

I tested some phase change insulation. The concept is valid, but it didn't produce a good enough result to justify it's cost. The paraffin has to be tuned to specific temperature ranges to work. If it's too cold in the day, it won't work at night. If it gets too hot, it will degrade. If the snow falls late at night on a sidewalk, it will insulate the concrete and will not absorb heat until cleared. This material might work in mild climates, but it would not work well in a cold, snowy climate. Rich people run solar hydronic heating systems to clear their walkways and driveway.

Fun fact: self-healing concrete was used all the way back in Ancient Rome. That along with dichroic glass really makes you wonder how much the Ancient Romans really knew about material science.

@icedreamer9629

Ай бұрын

Less than us. Detailed analysis of the roman concrete has proven that the reason for the self-healing property was that pockets of one of the materials were left within the mix due to incomplete mixing at time of pour. It is likely that the original builders had no idea that the mix was incomplete, as there is no way to tell by eye or feel, and therefore likely that the self-healing aspect was entirely accidental. None of the builders would have lived long enough for it to matter, and they did no detailed studies the way we do today. And yes, modern concrete is massively superior to roman. The idea that it's somehow beyond anything we can make today is a total myth.

@robo5013

Ай бұрын

@@icedreamer9629 Newer studies have invalidated the 'poor mixture' idea and show that the Romans used quicklime (modern concrete uses slaked lime) which they activated by heating up the concrete during mixing, changing its chemical composition and that is what forms the crystals that allow it to self heal. Experiments using this technique have proven its validity. Of course the Romans may not have known that the heating process created the self healing property but simply did it because it reduces the curing time for the concrete allowing for faster construction. Remember that the Romans had experience using concrete for centuries and they developed the type of concrete being discussed here @ 2bc, after the Greeks had been using concrete since @ 1000bc and had developed concrete that could cure underwater by @ 600bc. That is plenty of time for experimentation to improve the quality of the product.

@chillfluencer

Ай бұрын

Today's researchers still didn't figure out why Roman concrete is so sturdy that it still exists today...while today's concrete...well...

@chillfluencer

Ай бұрын

​@@icedreamer9629So many inventions were and are and will be accidental.

The problem I see is once winter sets in, the temp almost never rises to 5C, thereby negating the concrete heating itself up. If the Sun were involved, this too only helps those with a southern exposure. My neighbor to my south has their yard filled with trees, the sun rarely shines on my property in winter. Notwithstanding this last El Nino effect, the temp of my concrete doesn’t rise above 0 all winter long.

I live in So Cal, where the only purpose of snow is recreation. It's really the best way to deal with the stuff.

@barryon8706

Ай бұрын

I moved from So Cal to rural New England a couple years back. Snow is a pain, but it's also fun.

Definitely should be a feature of the future in all new science fiction movies, comics and books. The downside is the city of Seattle's Queen Anne neighborhood will stop posting videos of cars sliding down the hills, taking out parked cars as well as other cars trying to make it down the street. Like a bowling ball rolling a strike.

"Boss, I'll be late to work today. My driveway is downloading a software update."

@johnwang9914

Ай бұрын

This isn't a device, it's phase change such as water turning into ice which actually releases heat. They just added paraffin wax into the concrete which just gives off heat when the temperature drops as the wax hardens. This is just material properties. No software or updates involved anymore than with an icecube tray. Not everything requires a computer...

@mateusbmedeiros

Ай бұрын

That's more like a hardware upgrade, I guess. 😄

@vaisakhkm783

Ай бұрын

​@@johnwang9914 not yet... they will find a way to make it e-pavment

@RaydeusMX

Ай бұрын

@@johnwang9914 Yet. This isn't a device that requires updates and subscription to operate, yet. It's just a matter of time.

@mgancarzjr

Ай бұрын

​@@RaydeusMXit's got to be patented by now

Temps stay below freezing in most of the US for months which means that this will work for the first few days at best.

I fond the idea of running water through concrete to be interesting. 1. It can heat the concrete when needed. 2. It can also cool the concrete during hot summers. This is a growing problem as an increasing amount of people are getting burned when falling on the ground.

Concrete that lasts longer and doesn't have to be repaired as much... I wonder what the road construction unions will think of this...

@mewletter

Ай бұрын

Judging how common potholes are, especially in sub-urban areas and streets in USA, not much.

@rhetorical1488

Ай бұрын

they will order more shovels to lean on to study the problem in depth over the 3 hr coffee time

@victorkrawchuk9141

Ай бұрын

@@mewletter I live close to the Palisades Parkway in NY (& NJ), which looks like a B-52 carpet bombing practice range every spring. I wonder if road construction companies might also complain about less work and less income due to the new material. Who knows, but I hope they're okay with it.

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

@@victorkrawchuk9141 If you get potholes every year, despite of repairs, they do something wrong. A refurbished or newly build street should be without potholes for some 30 years. Maybe I'm a bit spoiled by German streets, which are usually very well done, due to strict regulations and norms.

@victorkrawchuk9141

Ай бұрын

@@traumflug The Palisades Parkway is actually a 60km major highway that connects the George Washington Bridge between New York City and New Jersey to the northerly suburbs west of the Hudson River, so it gets a lot of traffic. Still, I agree that it probably shouldn't need significant pothole repairs every spring. But perhaps somewhere in this situation lies the fundamental issue I was initially referring to. Construction companies want guarantees of constant periodic work, and public pressure from voters to reduce taxes as much as possible results in the lowest bids being selected involving the lowest grade materials. Common ground is found in cheap work that is done on a yearly predictable cycle, and a better concrete that lasts longer with less repairs might cause some consternation in this regard. In the long term tax money is wasted, but few people are capable of thinking beyond a 9-month business cycle.

I'm doing graphene material science. Graphene has to be included at about 1% in a bulk binder. So I'm looking at a wide variety of materials as binder. are some amazing materials coming.

Sounds like it might be useful in some areas, but not useful in a lot of areas where it gets down to 0 degrees or colder for long periods of time, or where they get a lot of snow. I lived in Rochester, New York and we got way more than 2" of snow at times. And temperatures below zero for long periods. So I don't think the city would be able to get rid of the plows or salt trucks.

I want that concrete additive now! 😊

I can see this being useful in climates that don't spend much time below freezing and typically get snowfall in the day. Very interesting stuff. You have a lovely channel, Sabine! My concern with this concrete is that by creating a surface of water in longer cold snaps, you create a much denser and more dangerous layer of ice on the pavement. This technology sort of backfires when the freeze and snowfall periods are long enough. In these instances, the thaw would actually take longer I think, too (could be wrong). Anecdotally, I'd take 6" of snow on a freezing night over 0.5" of rain in the same surface temperatures. Honestly, Philadelphia is a great place to develop this technology. The climate there is almost perfectly opposed the "best case" for this kind of compound - which makes it a great place to expand the technology's horizons!

Thanks for the privacy tip. Awesome...

Thanks for the information. This could be great, if it is a non-toxic material that will either not affect the concrete strength overall or if it improves it or diminishes cracks it would be even better. Just a note tho -- This is a "1 time" temperature cycle effect. It will only work the for about 6 hours, and then it will run out of heat. So, it would need to warm up again to the melting temperature. Still, it could prove to be very helpful for warmer climates where there is only occasional temperature dips below freezing. It might also still work well with warmers as a way to store the energy on a daily basis during the day when solar kicks in.

Phase change materials (PCM) for thermal control are not new and have been used for thermal control techniques since the early years of the 1960s. Several Apollo missions carried components that used PCMs to stabilize their temperatures. In my career in lasers and electro-optics, I remember using PCMs in the thermal control subsystems of some laser systems going back to the 1990s. It's nice to see PCMs starting to be used in smart materials for thermal control in applications that may directly improve more people's lives.

Quietly replacing Albert mug to Sabine smart mug? Sign me in! 🎉🎉🎉

In the overview shot it looks like they have a lamp shining strongly on the middle and left slab. I wonder if they left that on all night, possibly contaminating the results

I've been looking for those new kinds of concrete recently. Paraffin isn't really new; it needs a melting point near freezing, but without causing expansion damage, like water does. Steel reinforced concrete has a limited liFespan: once it's throughoutly carbonated, the steel will inevitably corrode. Much faster when exposed to damaging substances, like chlorides (salt). Ancient Roman concrete, Opus Caementicium, has self-healing properties through non-carbonated chunks of lime, Ca(OH)2, or quicklime, CaO. New "self healing" concrete achieves this through bacteria. But it seems the only way for really durable concrete it to replace steel by non-corroding materials, such as glass or carbon fiber, or even basalt. Which most people know as liquid lava, or huge, hexagonal stone columns.

I like shoveling snow. It's good exercise, environmental safe and kinda Zen.. 👊🙏

@Overcrook65

Ай бұрын

In principle yes, but it depends on the length of your driveway and your time reserves.

@Thomas-gk42

Ай бұрын

Depends, not so comfortable at five in the morning

The sidewalks outside My apartment building, like all buildings in New York City, are cleared by the building superintendents. Shop owners must clean sidewalks in front of shops. Local ordinances require this, and probably makes insurance companies happy also.

Reminds me of heating wax to create controlled motion and force in an actuator application. The wax expands, much like water expands when going from liquid to solid, except the wax is heated creating usable force and motion for applications like locking. Worked at company doing research back in the 90's for DARPA.

@pirobot668beta

Ай бұрын

Wax-motors, the basis of most thermostats in cars.

So, I'm not sure how well that would work in Canada, and I wonder if the strength of the Crete is compromised atoll. If you said it wasn't then no worries. Another exciting and informative video. Thanks, Sabina. Peace ✌️ 😎 from Canada, eh.

Cool update! ❄🥶

Had to smile when Albert was wearing his beanie!

Oh wow, wow.I want that changing color stuff.I can use it for my NIST Traceable work I perform. The heating stickers work very well...as well.😅

Thank you.

the issue with this concrete is that it's good only good if you have temperatures greater than 5 degrees during the day and below 5 degrees at night. While this would be useful in warmer places that see snow only once or twice a year, in colder places such as most of northern europe and the northern US where snow is actually an issue, this would only be useful for the first few snows of the year. The snowstorms that really block people's paths and cause you to have to shovel it every day are in much colder weather (usually)

Could be used in buildings to reduce heating bills. However, if the material needs to go above a certain temperature to reset then if the temperature remains at -5°c for several days, then it will not be effective beyond the initial 6-8 hours.

combine this with that "thirsty concrete" thing, and you can even prevent ice from forming on top after the concrete has released all its stored energy. it won't stop more snow from collecting on top, but ice is objectively more dangerous.

this may be could be strategically used in the Midwest, our temp fluctuations expand and contract stuff and it's a real challenge. Thx

Yeah. Pie in the sky. I remember back in the early 70s when Dupont had a whole paving system based on shredding old tires to build roads. They built about a half mile, and that was it. Or how about the cheap fire retardant house paint, or the non asbestos gloves that could handle molten metal, or a hundred other products. Very little ever makes it to a store shelf.

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

Problem is usually price. If such a paving system costs 50% more, it has no chance to win tenders.

You always lifts my spirit. You a doing a great service to mankind instead of being a professor taking a grant or job to chase a Scientific unicorn

interesting - Thanks Sabine - cheers

Is there a logic error? The principle will work when temperature drops once and will keep the concrete "warm" until all paraffin has changed structure. There will be no effect afterwards for how long ever temperatures stay cold (below regeneration temperature). Aside from the limit to the paraffin capacity, it reads like a clever and innovative idea.

I think we have same heating as Iceland here in northern Sweden where I live because the ground is always free of snow in the city even when it's snowing a lot. It looks like it melts when it touches the ground even in -10.

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

District heating, perhaps? All these warm pipes aren't perfectly insulated.

self healing concrete being around for couple thousands years as it was used by Romans. we just have not used it for a very long time. though there is some movement to use roman self healing concrete again in the last few years. which if I remember correctly is just adding quicklime (calcium hydroxide) to the mix. problem is it can not be patented so there be push back against it to use silly patenable polymers instead

I love this but I cannot figure out how to make it work. Best case is if you have a "hot" day, it gets cold in the night, starts snowing, melting the snow, the water runs off and the next day is a dry day. But if it has been cold for a few days and it starts snowing then it does nothing. And if you go from a "hot" day to a night where it snows, the snow melts and then there is no more heat in the concrete, the water turns to ice and now you have ice on top of concrete instead of snow😢

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

Where I live, day temperatures above the freezing point and night temperatures below it are quite frequent.

I think electroactive polymers are absolutely amazing, they're basically "artificial muscles" acting like linear motors. But being polymers, they can be embedded to not just act linearly, but also as an circular diaphragm (iris), to fold/unfold origami-like structures, or to apply tensions in complex 3D(-printed) structures. And in reverse, they can be used as sensors, like somatosensory nerves. Ongoing experiments/research involving EAPs is still rather simplistic, but most of the limits are about manufacturing complexities, which makes me very excited about the future of the technology.

This will only work somewhere the temp drops below freezing at night and warms above freezing during the day. Anywhere that gets cold for the winter and stays cold til spring is out of luck.

Thanks Sabine - Great To Know 🙂👍 -70SomethingGuy

In my youth I never thought materials science was boring, it always sounded too difficult 😥! Now it’s my favorite 😍!!! And chemistry 🧪 to, but of course, chemistry 🧪 is always the most difficult BY FAR!😮 YOU HAVE TO KNOW GERMAN to even keep up on it!

Fascinating indeed! Thanks, Sabine! 😃 They should replace part of a sidewalk and see what happens. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Dr Sabine, I’m sure you have no shortage of video ideas, but I’d love to know more about how this material works. I mean, plain concrete heats up during the day and radiates it back out when it gets cold at night (this is roughly the description of the paraffin as I understood it from the video). So, what’s different about the wax? What is it about the phase change that makes the wax behave differently from concrete (or any other material, for that matter)? And what is the difference in behavior, specifically? Yeah, it releases heat, but why in the specific manner that makes it different from concrete? ❤️ your vids, thanks!

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

Distinction is the phase change. This stores a lot of additional energy. One needs the same amount of energy to heat up water/ice from -1°C to +1°C as to heat it up from +1°C to 82°C. Same for these parafins.

cool concept but in practice....that's going to lead to ice patches on said concrete in most places that get snow. i guess in those very specific areas it works but what happens when temp zones change? it's going to become useless as time marches on. if you dread shoveling snow by hand then get a battery powered snow shovel, if you only have a little bit to do that's plenty enough to get the job done quickly and effectively. we get heavy snow quite often and it makes short work of the areas where the snowblower can't easily go. nighthawkinlight has a recipe for infrared cooling paint, that's pretty cool. i don't think this concrete is as practical as that paint is though.

So after it has phase changed and released it's heat, what then? Unless your area only occasionally gets cold at nite, this will only be useful for the first 6 to 8 hours of cold.

Very interesting video... and no, I don't find material science boring, some really cool stuff out there! 😎 🇦🇺

She did predict the future and was right. It is happening already: "It won't be long, and our walls will be more intelligent than we are". A statement I can confirm already for too many people.

In 1971 the batteries and electronics of the moon rover were cooled, using phase changing wax.

I believe the second law of thermodynamics says the energy must come from somewhere. Namely, the sun or higher temperatures during the day. Therefore when the energy is depleted during the first freeze the concrete will be unable to melt ice until recharged. Better than nothing I suppose, but winters are long and cold in many places.

@MrFram

Ай бұрын

Well she did mention that it works for 6 hours and is meant to protect from overnight temperature drops. I guess it's good for places where the temperature only ever so often drops below freezing and only occasionally snows (like US, central Europe and Asia), but it would be useless for more northern places that are covered in snow for weeks at a time

@traumflug

Ай бұрын

Glass-half-empty answer, isn't it? Because it doesn't work in Sibiria or Antarctica, it has to be crap.

@JoeSmith-cy9wj

Ай бұрын

@@traumflug It doesn't have to be crap. It's just a little hype, a little popular headline click-baity kind of stuff. Read down in the comments. There are drawbacks to most innovations. It is probably correct that this phase-change energy storage material works in reverse also. In that it my cause a wet surface to freeze before other areas if it is in a certain portion of the heat curve. Causing black ice unexpectedly. The real thing I worry about is if the material is a hazard or durability issue in the long term, incurring more taxpayer cost down the road. Like traffic light companies pushing their products where simpler and safer methods are already in use, a low expense. Many places that once had round-abouts get sold on complicated and extremely expensive light systems at the cost of lives. One intersection in my town has gone back and forth three times in my life alone. All for profit.

Thank for the discount will buy when possible hope dollar drops

i can see another benefit of this concrete: when the temperature drops below ten every pavment freezes into a perfectLY smootth ice track :)

Usually, when there is a big snow storm, it is followed by a major temperature drop. If that goes down quickly to the -5 to -10 cutoff, the melted snow will quickly “phase change” a solid sheet of ice! Slipping and falling on a concrete walk covered by an invisible film of ice in the bitter cold may not turn out well!

Curious about the long-term durability of self-heating concrete. How does it stand up to the wear and tear of daily city life, especially in heavy traffic areas?

These parafin Phase Change Materials have been used in Dry Wall Sheeting to give off heat during the night.

I think there could be a metamaterial based on photonic crystals, where the index of refraction depends on the angle of incidence of light, then it can be tuned in such a way that the light gets, well, straightened out, effectively colminating diffuse light into a tight beam, something ordinary lenses can't do. However ordinary lenses will be able to work with the results of these crystals. It would be a boon for solar power, and help avoid any tracking systems as well as being just effective on cloudy days as sunny days. Do any of the mathematical models of photonic crystals around calculating the structure of such a material yet?

When I was young and growing up in Pennsylvania, we got much more snow than that area gets now. However, the temperature would only be 30 to 33 degrees. Not as cold as you are referencing in your talk.

"We salt and sand and sweep and swear..." Well said.