How would you rate your teams rebuild? A? B-? D?

@JaredGoofball

Ай бұрын

A obviously. Even not talking about how bad they were last year. They are 1st in pacific. Without a doubt an A rebuild. The fact that they were so bad last year just makes it better

@matthewsmith2237

Ай бұрын

@@JaredGoofballThe rebuild itself was a B-. Alvin’s retool however was a resounding A+

@pegasus6116

Ай бұрын

@@matthewsmith2237The rebuild got us a Generational dman, franchise center, franchise goalie, and elite goal scorer in Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, and Boeser. It’s an automatic A+ as they got the most important pieces you need to win a stanley cup. Then coming out the rebuild made the best trade in franchise history getting JT Miller. Allvin has done a masterful job getting the pieces to surround this elite core to take the next step.

@DeathGamingOfficialYT

Ай бұрын

@@pegasus6116 Honesly, petterson isnt worth the 11 million in the playoffs rn. i mean hes almost getting paid as much as panarin. and he has more than pasta rn

@ponchopyro3314

Ай бұрын

@@DeathGamingOfficialYT I think he can figure it out; at his top end he's elite, but he's in his own head rn.

Thanks for having me on Rob! It was great talking to you and the video turned out awesome. Let's do it again sometime.

@birgerfurugard7259

Ай бұрын

Subbed dude

@Kel336

Ай бұрын

This is hilarious. No way this is B Morrison. 😂 so random 🔥

@sports2hedz542

Ай бұрын

@kel336 Pfff...look at his channel punk. Mr. Morrison, loved you here, and subbed to your feed!

@b-laz-e

Ай бұрын

Good to see you on youtube!

@BrendanMorrisonHockey

Ай бұрын

@@sports2hedz542 Thank you!

The best teams are the ones who make their luck. As I once heard an analyst say "You gotta get lucky to get good, but you gotta get good to get lucky."

@raysrock55

Ай бұрын

THG saying and its 100% true

@jonmendelson1104

Ай бұрын

@@raysrock55 It's a pretty widespread saying, not just THG.

Since my beloved Red Wings failed to show up to the dance, I'm rooting for your boys to take it home. Who doesn't love a good underdog story? I've been following you for a long time and you're channel just keeps getting better. Congrats Rob!

@VafaPhotography

Ай бұрын

So funny. I absolutely hate Bruins, despise Oilers, can't stand Leafs (with the rest of Canada in agreement), don't get me started with the garbage goal Flamers, Avs fans I cringe to see in the stands a whole bunch of soccer mom Karens but if any team deserves a watch, admiration and node is RWings and their fans. Hats off to you.

@lenaforsgren

Ай бұрын

Sort of the same! Wings fan who has sort of been keeping a close eye on the Canucks as a backup 😅❤️ The comeback against Nashville almost moved me to tears, partly because I got flashbacks to Detroit’s amazing comebacks this season! 🤩😍❤️ As Patrick Kane said after Detroit had been eliminated: “it’s like nothing I’ve seen before, there’s no quit in this team.” Canucks proved that they also are, or at least can be, that kind of team. Gotta love it! 😍😍😍

@bruced6626

Ай бұрын

@@VafaPhotography if the nucks get knocked; edmonton, winnepeg and even the leafs have my hopes to win the cup

@theDaveStanzito

Ай бұрын

@@lenaforsgren I don't think Kane is coming back (unfortunately) so I'm hoping Stevie swings for the fences and reels in Stamkos or maybe even Marchessault (damn VGK are a cutthroat organization). If the Canucks don't make it, part of me wants to see McDavid win one. I'm not a big Holland fan and, sure, the league pushes him hard, but he really does put in the extra effort. Just my two cents. It might be petty, but I was glad that the Caps got swept. I can't bring myself to root for the Rangers either. Maybe Carolina? Hopefully the Canucks keep it rolling and I don't need to go there!

@SRGNTSLUGHTR

Ай бұрын

🙏🙏

Craziest thing about this series is Demko has been out since Game 1, his back up was injured in Game 3, and now theyre playing with a friggin rookie goalie

@allewis4008

Ай бұрын

Latvias star goalie with a bronze medal, he's not just some rando.

@TheOphetGlazer

Ай бұрын

@@allewis4008 yeah but hes still unproven in the nhl, after yesterday hes only got 10 games nhl experience

@RobTalksHockey

Ай бұрын

It’s absurd man lmao

@hawkeyyy

Ай бұрын

Mvp of the last IIHF

@mathelogical2563

Ай бұрын

Wrong.. 4 games in NHL and played his first playoff game which means it was his 5th game..​@WeLoveOphetPhimsipasom

We gotta give Silov hell of a lot of credits for saving a lot of so many shots in Game 4 last night 💪 Let's get game 5, go canucks go❤

Changing the coach (and hence the culture in the team) was the best move that made all the difference

PDO is merely a ratio of shooting percentage and save percentage. It cannot tell you that the Canucks prefer to cycle over shooting mindlessly at the net, or that we have not one, but two of the best goalie coaches in our system -- Ian Clark in Vancouver, and Igor Shesterkin's goalie coach back in his KHL days in Marko Torenius. It cannot tell you why Hogs scored 24 goals at even strength despite being on four different lines this season, and it can't tell you how good Lindholm has been defensively as a centerman. I think PDO caters to human psychology because it tries to provide a simple answer to a tough question which is what most people truly want in life, no matter how skewed or flawed the end result may be. Boston's PDO was high as well last year, but nobody even knew what PDO was until the Canucks overachieved (allegedly).

@RichardTavilla

Ай бұрын

Really gonna be cheering for your wings next yeat

@cross_ie7590

Ай бұрын

I remember before the season Boston won the presidents some people and myself thought they would have a bad year with the roster not looking as good as the year before it but now it’s makes sense that they’re PDO was higher than normal and them losing in the first round would make so much more sense than it jus being “playoff” hockey

@OKmoomer

Ай бұрын

@@cross_ie7590 A lot of that also came down to the little things not being done optimally by Boston in the final 3 games of their playoffs last season, and speaks volumes about a statistical factor called standard deviation, which is SO important to consider when analyzing empirical statistics yet is getting overlooked by everyone in the hockey world because they only want to focus on one stupid number. 🙄

Been expecting them to choke all season. They haven't yet. Goaltending is the unknown variable right now, so far so good.

@bdog4280

Ай бұрын

I actually didn’t give up on them yesterday and what a comeback .

@noahbasarm511

Ай бұрын

I think of Canucks don’t get more pucks to the net they arnt getting past round 2

@Nucksfan1

Ай бұрын

@@noahbasarm511 I mean we could blow the series lead you never know😭😭😭

@aleckocsis7648

Ай бұрын

Puck luck taking us all the way ya 😂

@neiljohnson7914

Ай бұрын

Being the huge frauds they are, the canucks shouldn't even be allowed to play on the playoffs, even if they won the pacific division.

I'd rather see the Canucks go on with some luck and win then another US team that is "helped" by the referees during the playoffs like we've seen since the past 10 years...

I'm not so sure about the PDO thing because some teams tend to pepper the net with low probability shots whereas other teams tend to hang on to the puck as they try for the perfect tick-tack-toe goal. Teams that strive for perfect goals will, in theory, end up with a higher PDO.

Love the collab!! Great work once again.

An improved Hughes is the exact reason Nashville has been smashvill-ing him, unfortunately.

When it comes to matters of luck, the best statement I've heard is "good teams create their own luck." If you're a good team, you'll be creating situations where you're more likely to get the good bounces or capitalize on that strange bounce that put the puck on the back door with an open net. Because the good teams will have a guy on that back door for just such an eventuality. Bad teams will have that guy behind the net or in the corner, so the puck trickles through and nobody's there and the D or goalie eventually clears or smothers it. Or that puck tricked through the goalie at the other end and a d-man or backchecking forward was there, Jonny on the spot to clear it out of harm's way before the other team could do any real damage. Bad teams don't do that and that loose puck is left sitting that extra fraction of a second longer where an attacking player may just get to it ahead of the goalie and bang it in.

your work is beautiful, i think i am going to rewatch it

Great interview

This is a great breakdown. Your seeing the game at a high level and explaining it wonderfully.

Never heard of this channel until I seen this title, but I clicked it thinking you were going to burn the Canucks. But one of the top comments I see is Brendan Morrison responding saying "thanks for having me" made me instantly interested in what had to be said! To have a legend like #7 on your channel and video and the break downs both of you have put in, became an instant fan and sub. Preds were downed in a hard fought series, where I don't think the 3-1 series win doesn't justify thinking Canucks "owned" them in any means. I'm stoked for the Edmonton series!

I’m not so sure about this, I fully expected Vancouver to handle Nashville with relative ease

@shanecouver

Ай бұрын

Nashville is a big physical team, I figured it would be the biggest hurdle for Vancouver. They came out swinging in game 1 and I thought “wow, they’re really gonna do it.”

@appletree13

Ай бұрын

@@shanecouver honestly to me it seems to be LA. Their stupid lineup strategy seems to be a huge problem for us.

@terminalfilms8074

Ай бұрын

Idk as a person watching this series game to game, I’ve been stressed every game thinking the nucks were gonna lose. 😂

@MrPointmidget

Ай бұрын

The Canucks outplayed Nashville in Game 2 for most of the game but lost. I think the message going into Game 3 was to not lose sight of the prize and stick to the system because statistically Nashville couldn't keep winning if the Canucks kept playing the way they did in Game 2. Game three was won on hard work and sticking to the system, and Game three was won on resilience. They were able to shake off the "accidentally on purpose" tripping of Petey during their celi. They didn't challenge the kicked puck, but instead overcame those hurdles and came back to win. I fake team can't do that.

@Shaquille69355

Ай бұрын

We've had to play not one, not two, but THREE goalies, and we're still finding ways to win. Sure it's not the cleanest wins, but we're up 3-1. This team is legit

Great collab!

Another absolute banger from Rob.

You've got some juice Rob when you can get a legend like Brendan Morrison on your show... good to see how much he is still into the hockey culture. With the talent that Vancouver has, I'm surprised it has taken them this long to get back into contention. I think the team management was the biggest hurdle as they made some bad deals that hurt their bottom 6, as well as the defense, for several years. The coaching change is huge... Tocchet is one of those guys who is great at motivating people. I watched Tocchet play, and also got to see him coach, and I can definitely say the guy knows how to get the most from his players.

Great video! A lot of insight and perspective on the game. Thanks!

Brendan Morrison should be on a national network! He clearly has an immense amount of knowledge and a unique perspective to offer i hope he gets everything he want out of his online showing! This man has been a star in the show and was one of my favourite players growing up!

@RobTalksHockey

Ай бұрын

Agreed!

Analytics get so specific these days they end up missing or leaving out important context. When a team "defies statistical models" for a whole season the models likely need to be recalibrated.

really nice analytics. quiet the contrast to the topic 'huge frauds.' i'm impressed!!

This core group always kind of played this way. In the series against Vegas few years ago for example they were outshot badly and still managed to take them to 7 games.

How can they be frauds if you never expected anything from them in the first place? Could it be their division is weak?

Another thing worth mentioning is, the reason the Canucks shooting percentage is so high is because they prioritize redirects and deflections. Another reason why Hughes' new shot profile is so good for Vancouver. Shooting more, means more chances for guys like Boeser, Lindholm, and anyone else to get a tip or redirection. Also, when showing the PDO kings of the league. Dallas, Winnipeg, Tampa, the Rangers and Boston were also near the top, but no one considers them lucky. But they have something in common. Amazing goaltenders. This idea having a good goalie means you're "lucky" is absurd. ALSO, also. Lets not discount the work management did adding Cole, Soucy, Hronek, and Zadorov on the blueline, Blueger up front is worth noting. The reason our goals against is so much better than last year is we actually have blueliners worth a damn. I wouldn't give Tocc all the credit. Not to mention guys like Foote and Gonchar.

First and foremost, it's sad when a title depicts a message that a hockey team is fraud when that team is doing everything possible to win a playoff game. We have to remember that any team in this playoff has a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Now if an underdog wins the Stanley Cup does that mean they are frauds too?

Just a picture perfect rebuild getting a Franchise C/D/G/W in Pettersson/Hughes/Demko/Boeser and trading for a franchise powerforward in JT Miller. Hoglander turning into a 25 goal scorer, blue chip prospects still on the way in Lekkerimaki and Willander. Plus guys like Silovs, Raty, Pettersson, and Podkolzin. Fantastic 3rd line with Garland/Joshua. Unreal time to be a Canucks fan right now.

let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luck is, when skill becomes a habit ;) also regarding drafting "skill" its also up to the development pipeline right? I would love to see you dive into that topic "Drafting vs Developing" of players

The D was a big upgrade, no longer are you relying on a few #8s for 2nd pairings. Fwds got some upgrades too. Systems. Demko not injured for most of the year, great backup for first half to 3/4 of season, then was still good.

We so fraud cause we never truly rebuild or tank, we sucked by accident under Benning for 8 years, never won a single lottery pick (drop a couple spots almost very time), drafted a couple busts in Virtanen and Juolevi with high pick, yet lucked our way into Hughes and Boeser 😂😂😂

@kaptaan_original

Ай бұрын

Benning was terrible. So many wasted picks. His scouting team and Linden forced the Pettersson pick. Hughes, Demko, Boeser were all from the scouting team. Benning kept wanting to pick guys like Virtanen, Juolevi, Kole Lind, etc. Instead of real NHL future players.

I’m confused what analysts had Nashville as favourites in the series? Not one I read did, and Vegas had Canucks as favourites to win that series.

loved hearing your guys opinions. I grew up on the West Coast Express line!! Brendan Morrison, Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund will always hold a special place in my hockey heart.

Excellent analysis. I remember debating last year whether the Canucks should trade away Boeser. We could see his potential, but it was not showing. Now, we're so happy he's still with Vancouver. I don't know how far we'll go this year, but it's all just icing on the cake from this point.

@robocock475

Ай бұрын

Second Round exits especially if you have to face elite teams like Colorado or Dallas without Demko

@pcoleman1971

Ай бұрын

@@robocock475 If you had told me in October that the Canucks would finish top of the Pacific, and lose in the 2nd round, I would say that's pretty good. So, even if you're right, I'm OK with that.

@RobTalksHockey

Ай бұрын

Agreed

Great vid

We in Vancouver believe that they are paid to lose.

Fail to see how PDO is a calculation of "luck". Ah yes save percentage, my favorite luck based stat. Goalie making saves, pure luck. The goalie slander is wild, ty Rob for sticking up for the tendies

Vancouver just has to win a Stanley cup.

we just beat Nashville with our rookie goalkeeper I don’t think Nashville has a chance and I’m confident with my statement lol

@golfer435

Ай бұрын

And now?

@Vjurrtuiii

Ай бұрын

@@golfer435 and now it’s 3-2 with Vancouver having the lead at home ice.

@Vjurrtuiii

Ай бұрын

@@golfer435 correction we are not at home ice lol..

Theyve been able to sustain it for a full season so we cant call them just lucky. Sure theyve definitely been lucky at times but theyve earned their luck a lot of the time this season. My only question is how sustainable is the way they play going into next season because weve seen before teams have these crazy seasons out of no where but then the next season they arent able to repeat it because teams figure out an easy way to shut them down. I dont think thats the case with the Canucks but I dont think we see them 1st in the Pacific next season either

@pegasus6116

Ай бұрын

Gonna be hard to shut down a team with a generational norris winning dman(Hughes), two franchise 100 point centers(Pettersson and Miller), and franchise vezina calibre goalie(Demko), and elite 40 goal scorer(Boeser). Also with blue chip prospects in Lekkerimaki and Willander still on the way. They’ll be a powerhouse for a long time.

@Jeff-qr9cg

29 күн бұрын

Thanks Mister Sunshine!

We had the most insane puck luck at the beginning and of the season. If we get that back in the post season we are unstoppable. May the gods smile upon us.

I picked Vancouver to come out of the West but that was with Demko in net. It’s gonna be interesting to see how they play without him or DeSmith back there. Silovs was great in Game 4 but he’s still a wildcard at this point if he has to play the rest of the series

This is a team that creates chances that often end up on a scoring threat or a scoring goal. They are great at doing this and just stopping their opponents on the defensive end by not giving them enough room. I was at the game yesterday in Nashville and the fact that the Canucks won that game should tell you that they were great at creating a win that many thought was a loss.

What this shows me is that Vancouver has all the pieces for a deep, playoff worthy team, but they need more experience. Their mental just isn’t there yet, and I don’t know if they could beat a Colorado or a Vegas, Carolina, Florida, the Rangers, ect.

Well as a huge rangers fan for 30 years I honestly picked Nashville as my surprise team. If they got ANY type of goaltending they could’ve beat Vancouver. Total collapse by saros

Another reason for the Canucks success can be attributed to management and the overhaul of the roster. 7/13 forwards that played 40+ games this season were brought in by Alvin and Rutherford. 4/7 of the defenseman to play 40+ games were brought in by Management. Add DeSmith and you're looking at a 55% roster turnover. The core that was being built is coming through. But it takes a full roster to win and that's where Jim Benning really struggled. To top it off, the front office and coaching staff are on the same page. Players are brought in to work under Tocchet's structure. Those that haven't worked have found themselves shipped out. One or two analytics can't put the whole puzzle together. Winning is more complicated than what the data says.

I'm so proud of the Canucks! Go Canucks Go!! Boeser you stud!

Omg bruce still looked old af back in 09 🤣

@3:41 why is Hammond holding what appears to be a pancake in his hand?

@RobTalksHockey

Ай бұрын

Andrew Hammond = Hamburgerler = Hamburger man

@AaronMQuantz

Ай бұрын

​@@RobTalksHockeyAh! It's a bun, not a pancake. Thanks for the info. I'm "married" to the Red Wings but have lived in Los Angeles since 1994. I have been a fan of Vegas since they were an unnamed idea in 2004, so they are my "mistress" team. I quite enjoy your content, keep it up good Sir!

McDavid held shotless in game one😂😂.They had 6 shots in the third.Canucks have always been good in the third that’s not luck

How fitting considering last night.

The Canucks are experts at disappointing their fans.

Analytics can give some good context and lay some foundation, but it doesn't measure cohesiveness and heart. The Leafs, for example, are stacked with a talented core, but the Leafs don't play as a cohesive team. The Canucks were doing similar things until Tocchet came along. Now, Vancouver can throw any five guys out there and they'll play well together. On paper, the Leafs should have wiped Boston in 4, but hockey isn't played on paper and the Bruins have a tight, cohesive team who buy into a system and a formula and that's why they're up 3-1 as of this writing.

@pegasus6116

Ай бұрын

Leafs also don’t have a Generational Norris winning dman in Hughes or Vezina calibre Franchise goalie in Demko. Leafs are just a horribly built team with 3 good forwards, trash defence and goaltending.

Man miller is just money from the top of the left circle

Morrison is such a great guy, got to meet him a couple of times at CAN-AM events, meet bertuzzi as well, he is also a very very nice guy

the moment they signed Teddy blueger I knew they were gonna be top 2 in the pacific

It is important to note that although Mikeyev, Suter, and Lafferty are not producing, they are beastly defensively, they rarely make mistakes in the D zone. So, yes, we are overpaying for 4th liners, but at least they are not hurting us on the ice. Kuzmenko had to go, he did not buy in. During the high PDO time, if you actually looked at the goals, many of them were incredible chances, like open nets where you would have been UNLUCKY to not score. I think the PDO people were not actually watching the games.

This year's Canucks reminded me of last year's New Jersey, except Vancouver has a better goalie, and that's mostly a regular season comparison.

It's a bit of a stretch to think that defending hockey players spend a lot of time going over individual shooting stats of the opposing team. Mostly they just don't want to be embarrassed, and end up on some highlight reel somewhere for years. If a player is slippery you might give him a little more room so you have enough time to react before he beats you clean. That extra room can be used to get off a shot. And defensemen will always have a lower scoring percentage because they are shooting from a greater distance. Most of the time they are looking for the tip, which if successful doesn't even count as a goal, it's an assist.

@RobTalksHockey

Ай бұрын

For sure, but teams watch film on top players to create game plans. For example, Pettersson used to be left wide open on the ride side every powerplay. He is rarely left open, because of teams studying his play style and the teams PP

They won with the Zamboni driver in goal. Jets can’t even compete with a team they beat all season. Go Canucks!

All you have to see is sissoons missing the open net. All luck. They have been outplayed for 3 games and the only reason why they are up is because Nashville is shooting them selfs in the foot. You can throw all these stats and other things you described in this Video but the fact of the matter is they like the devils last year were extremely lucky and healthy for most of them year. You have to be very lucky to win the amount of games they did this year. Great team but very very lucky

The way I see luck in hockey is that there is no such thing. The puck has crazy bounces, but the best in the league can read those bounces and make plays off of them. Sure some people are just in the right place at the right time, but being in the right place is a skill on its own. You also need the reaction time to even capitalize on those opportunities, and people seem to think it's either good or bad luck that makes those things happen when in reality it's skill. The Canucks move the puck well and they have a good core, it was a matter of time before they got the puck sliding their way.

Put a body on Hughes and you stop him, put a body on Makar and you stop him. Having a guy like Wilson or reaves will allow for that to happen and may add to the scoring as well.

Bro went god mode in game 4.. not luck

Luck or not, I think the one thing that separates the good teams from the decent teams is that good teams capitalize on their luck. Did we get lucky that the puck hit the post at the end? Sure, but we capitalized on that luck and turned it into a win. An ok team would have still lost.

1:05 I would take this list anyday. Garly has been our top grind player since his arrival and I love that he is with us

When we had Luongo, Kesler and the Wonder twins…. Those were the days

@bananian

Ай бұрын

Those were some exciting players. Seeing the sedins cycling for 5 minutes before doing the slap pass. 😍

16:52 "Only one of them would become a Star." This is true in both ways...Kevin Connauton is the only player he drafted who played for the Dallas Stars (from a 2 minute scan). It's possible some more of them played for the Texas Stars and never reached the NHL though, didn't bother verifying all of the players who never played in the NHL.

Rob sounds like a Salty Leafs fan. Go Canucks Go 💙

Well, the Canucks have delivered this year (fan since they joined the NHL--old school). Great interviews, btw. But not Frauds, just kinda unexpected interlopers. Not too terrified Team is about the goaltending situation--although activating Silovs this early is a bit...alarming. Team is strong. Love to see it. Work to be done...

Their series against Nashville looks like two 8th seeds. They will have to play much different to win a cup.

You must be happy being a canucks fun! Great team this year 👌🏻

Idk if his edges are as good as KK97.

I dunno why you think demko is not involved in PDO cause hes had some incredibly lucky plays and games this year... All the scorpion saves are pure luck, him diving across the net and getting a hand on the puck is pure luck, 9/10 times the forward is gonna bury those goals on demko but it just so happens that he strung goals together, and Vancouver is also lucky with injuries this year in that no terrible ones but quinn hughes looks pretty slow against nashville and petterson looks a little weak and demko is out, I'm betting there are some hidden injuries, they also got lucky playing teams when they were slumping, for example they beat the oilers 3 times early in the season but that was when the oilers were the 31/32 placed team in the league but imagine people surprise when the oilers were only i think 4 points back at the end of the season.... oilers are way hotter that the canucks

The problem with Petey is Tocchet then. He’s coached the talent out of him.

Marking this video for when you take the “quotes” out of the title when they lose in 7

@annaotto6184

29 күн бұрын

Guess you can unmark it now bud

I BELIEVE

YO BRO COME HERE THERES A NEW ROB VIDEO

Van gonna take the cup bruh

54 years and counting. I quit watching the canooks after the 2011 playoffs, wasted 30 years watching them before that 😅

wouldnt mind a vancouver/boston rematch, saw some canucks fans on twitter saying they need to get rid of pettersson, like hey we need a center, ill jump to have Petey on the team

@Jeff-qr9cg

29 күн бұрын

Canucks fans also wanted Boeser out. Years ago, they didn't think highly of the Sedins, early in their careers. Too much rain out there. Their brains get water-logged. Go Canucks!

Interestingly, the teams with the top PDO in the league are also the teams who were near the top of the league. Luck? No. Just better shooting and goal tending than the rest. Trying to call it luck factor is misinterpreting the basic metrics. The league as a whole will end up with a 1.000 PDO average across all teams. Good teams will be higher, bad teams will be lower.

How's the salt taste? 😂😂😂 Go Canucks!

Huge Frauds my ass. . . They made an awesome comeback!

@WestCoast999

Ай бұрын

Haters gonna hate! Go Canucks Go💙

3-1 series rn. Doesn’t seem like their fakers to me

@samy467

Ай бұрын

The Canadian faker teams are east of Edmonton.

You all fail to see the nine free agents playing for contracts big motivator

Luck is a factor, but you also create luck with hard work.

The PDO is in part luck but it's also sign of teams with good goalies!? The top 3 teams in PDO...were Vancouver,Winnipeg,and Boston and I don't think it's a coincidence that each of those teams has great goaltending and their goalies r among the top goalies in the league!? Vancouver has Demko, Winnipeg has Hellebyuck,and Boston has Swayman & Ullmark!!!??

You gotta be lucky to be good, and good to be lucky.

Im sure if we win the cup everyone will say it was a fluke and all the bounces just went our way...

It seems PDO is a hugely overrated stat. Yes, the Canucks have the highest PDO, but looks at the top 5 season PDO: 1. Vancouver Canucks 102.9 2. Winnipeg Jets 102.7 3. Boston Bruins 102.6 4. New York Rangers 102.0 5. Dallas Stars 101.8 It's difficult to seriously argue that the Bruins, Rangers, and the Stars are in the playoffs because they're frauds. So let's accept for the sake of argument that Vancouver and Winnipeg are frauds (because I've heard that said about the Jets too). So 2 of 5 are frauds. In other words, PDO is about as useful a predictive tool for identifying teams who are playing above their class as a coin flip. I like the idea of PDO reflecting a culture, though, there seems to be a little more merit to that when you sort the league by PDO, though it's still not perfect.

To be fair conner garland has proven hes worth that trade right now at least.

@samslone9457

Ай бұрын

Have you seen that kid Guenther play? No chance we got anything out of it. Right now we'd have 8.5 mill in cup space and 20 year old stud. No buyout penalty for years. That was an awful trade.

@omfg322

Ай бұрын

@@samslone9457 and we wouldn't have 20 goal scorer garland who consistently wins puck battles with people twice his size. Oel buyout isn't his fault.

@samslone9457

Ай бұрын

@@omfg322 with 8.5 you could have two garlands

PDO is not meant to be a metric for a complete team. It’s meant solely for measuring the “puck luck” of an individual player. The reason that they chose on-ice shooting percentage and on-ice save percentage is because they are two stats that a single player has the least impact on. They are both “team” stats, therefore one individual player can’t markedly improve the combined numbers.

@RobTalksHockey

Ай бұрын

That’s right. I referenced individual players as an example on how each player could potentially impact their teams PDO

@lenaforsgren

Ай бұрын

Really? PDO is also used for teams. Actually mostly for teams.

Pettersson is pretty much invisible in the playoffs so far...

@RR-lq3ef

Ай бұрын

Seems to be only visible when he is a defensive liability

@pegasus6116

Ай бұрын

Which is a scary thought. Imagine when he gets going. Unreal amount of elite talent on that team.

@Eastvanucks

Ай бұрын

Hes gotta b hurt

@samy467

Ай бұрын

EP40 is saving himself for the next round.

The 2022-23 Canucks were this years Habs but with no expectations. 2023-24 Canucks will be next year Canadiens. Monty played great. Matheson played like a #1. We have a good top line. Good defense. Good forward deph. People dont realize Evans played 0 PP minutes and played only bottom 6 minutes and had 30 points as a defensive center. Caufield even with an under 9% shooting percentage almost had 30 goals still. If he has a good year and gets an 18%. He legit could hit 60 goals. They also have good pieces outside line 1. Dach. Newhook. Roy. Hutson. Guhle. All could develop to stars. Especially Hutson. This year was unlucky for Habs and a set up for next year. Just like Vancouver. Trust me. I know i 100% sound like a homer but im telling you. This will age well

@pegasus6116

Ай бұрын

If u can magically pull a generational norris winning dman, two 100 point franchise centers, vezina calibre franchise goalie, 40 goal elite scorer out of your ass then maybe the Habs can be like the Canucks next year.

@4u2nvHock3y

Ай бұрын

@pegasus6116 I'm not saying they will be president trophy candidates. I just think the Habs had a very unlucky year and will have a much better year. I just meant in terms of trajectory. They had 76 points this year I think next year they will have 15-20 more.

"Legends like... Bertuzzi" guys infamous for being a piece of shit, thats about it. Wouldn't call that legend material.