When you review a monitor you should run any included cable through the tester.

@kronik907

2 жыл бұрын

100% this

@Carahan

2 жыл бұрын

Or any other peripheral with a detachable cable. A warning about a good peripheral having a bad cable packaged with it would be nice so I don't return the peripheral itself instead of replacing the cable.

@toine512fr

2 жыл бұрын

big YES

@marcoschwanenberger3127

2 жыл бұрын

Great Idea!

@alouisschafer7212

2 жыл бұрын

The included cables are probably actually really good

Would love a whole array of testing through the common cord brands you find online. All the amazon best sellers, the best buy brand, newegg, memex, etc, and stack them all up together in a battle royale.

@MrGamelover23

2 жыл бұрын

Keeping this as top comment.

@dragon_warrior_

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrGamelover23 +1

@TheNiteNinja19

2 жыл бұрын

Also be interesting to call out BS manufacturers who slap VESA certified labels on garbage.

@rdgfb

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@esatd34

2 жыл бұрын

This comment will RISE

Do they still have that $1,000 HDMI cable they did a review for a long time ago? That would be a great cable to test.

@carl-marvin

2 жыл бұрын

that would be a fail FAIL

@WhiskersAndWords

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see that cable tested

@Klokopf52

2 жыл бұрын

wasn't that like an active cable with video processing build in? Or am i mixing something up? Active Cables would never pass a tester like this.

@carl-marvin

2 жыл бұрын

@@Klokopf52 The one mentioned here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jJutl8iRXbm2c9Y.html is one with solid silver core, and isn't active. But maybe there is also one with signal processing though, havn't watched all ltt vids ;D

@joshuamckown3145

2 жыл бұрын

It would be super interesting to see that test. I would expect it to pass, but also have no real world advantage over a random $10 cable of the same length that also passes.

I lost an insane amount of time troubleshooting "premium" very expensive DP cables for my 1440p 144Hz new display. It actually was making my PC not even power on. In the end i learned that many manufacturers cut cost on DP cables by sorting PIN 1 to +5V while it should have +3.3V something along these lines. Long story short i tried a few premium cables and non did 1440p/144Hz/Freesync/HDR. In the end the most inexpensive cable i bought was the most reliable and it actually had specs on max bandwidth supported. I find it ridiculous how many cables had no info on the box on what exactly they support bandwidth wise or if they did had weird pin out on "non-essential" pins.

@PLF...

2 жыл бұрын

preach

@leonro

2 жыл бұрын

So in the end the best option is still to buy the cheapest and pray. Great, I've been doing that forever.

@Googaliemoogalie

2 жыл бұрын

Because they know most people don't know/care. I bet you that the average person doesn't know that there is such thing as a new standard of HDMI from the first version

@crafciak31

2 жыл бұрын

I even know people, who don't have 4K TV, cause it's pointless to them, when their 1080p Full HD display work fine just fine. I may be because 4K television per se is having a very hard time arriving around here tho...

@mujtabaalam5907

Жыл бұрын

Which brand?

I'd love to see a publicly available spreadsheet of brands who's cables you've tested and found are in or out of spec. It'll help people avoid giving money to dishonest companies and help them avoid the same issues you've had.

@pugnate666

2 жыл бұрын

yes, PLEASE!

@jerrysherwood2886

2 жыл бұрын

Hire me! I'll do it! 🤘

@stevemgilikson

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see that as well, but that doesn't help the company sell these bad boys.

@Twocent10

2 жыл бұрын

YESSSSS

@arthurmeyre7214

2 жыл бұрын

Or even a website at that point

If you guys still have the $1000 HDMI cable lying around, you could test them to see if they have something unique in them.

@ejmb1992

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely this one

@aizoku

2 жыл бұрын

They should I remember Linus buying a super expensive super fast best in class cable

@loldude8051

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit, i was going to say that too

@Matchleader

2 жыл бұрын

yeah they should test the apple luxury cable

@SuperSmashDolls

2 жыл бұрын

If he doesn't, and he's perfectly willing to lose way too much money on a video, he could redo it with a bunch of different scam cable vendors.

I really love that you offered to do testing. The only thing to be wary about is your sampling size. Pulling a single model of cable from a manufacturer SHOULD give us a good idea of what they're generally putting out, but it could technically have some variances that put it above or below spec. To really "stick feet to the fire", as it were, you'd pull several of the same cable, preferably from different locations so you theoretically could be getting items from different manufacturing runs/lots. Alternatively, getting a new one and thus testing the same model across time could give us a semblance of a "sample", with better consideration for consistency, improvements, or degradations.

I love what LMG has become. Seeing things grow and evolve through the years has been really gratifying. Quickbits, tech news, the main channel, heck even the merch. The success is obvious but do you guys really understand what that success means? That's success is (the meta-organism that is society) saying hey we really like you!

@moseszero3281

Жыл бұрын

I like the random videos about his home improvement projects where he rants about the glossiness of paint or those broke azz smart light switches.

I’d like to see LTT cover the Amazon basics cables to see if they are worth buying.

@jmcb0089

2 жыл бұрын

I used to swear by these, so I hope so.

@connorwiseman6646

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@iammeuru

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Monoprice and Amazon Basics are the obvious and low hanging fruit.

@voltaicfire1825

2 жыл бұрын

They're not, Amazon Basics are invariably inferior versions of products that Amazon is having ripped off over in China.

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if they are better standardized now, but I remember buying a pair of HDMIs, and while one of them worked normally the other one got affected by electric interference any time someone flicked a light switch.

As an electrical engineer, I approve of the over simplification of the eye diagram. It was well done for the non electrical engineer common folk. I did not expect to hear differential signal jitter being mentioned on this channel ever. Well done Riley.

@gl4989

2 жыл бұрын

Why mention you are in electrical engineering ?

@MinecraftLD10

2 жыл бұрын

@@gl4989 It shows even someone who's job uses this kind hardware everyday, that he recommends this for someone who didn't go through the learning that this person went through.

@compassion4227

2 жыл бұрын

@@gl4989 ?

@TheRyujinLP

2 жыл бұрын

@@gl4989 Because it's relevant to the point of his comment. As someone who fully understands the issue he is in a better place to judge how well Riley was at explaining in a simplified form (and I do agree, it gets the point across enough for a general level understanding of it which really helps if anyone who watched this later wants to dig deeper into the field. Having a way to mentally realize the subject you are studying does wonders for retention).

@UlzYT

2 жыл бұрын

I felt smart until I realised it was simplified :/

I would love to see just a google sheet of what brands/cables pass or fail. Then, when your fans (US!) are looking for a cable for our setup, we can pop open the sheet and know what is safe or unsafe to buy based on the standard we're looking for

So are we going to find out if Anker is actually the best brand? I would like to see the difference in the different Anker Powerline USB-C to USB-C cables, I went with the PowerLine II 10Gbit, becuase it supports ultrafast speed and also the full 100W USB-PD. So my ultimate question I want answered is which is the best cable in terms of electrical resistance of the power wires.

@JeSuisNerd

2 жыл бұрын

Seconded! Shopping for quality USB-C cables is awful.

@valkyriepilot

2 жыл бұрын

Thirded!! Interested to know how Anker cables test as well.

@TheCarpenterUnion

2 жыл бұрын

If it's just resistance you could probably rig something up in an hour, not spend 100grand

@valkyriepilot

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCarpenterUnion sure, anyone with a basic knowledge of electricals can do that, but this is us chiming in to Linus asking which brands does the audience want to have an insight on in terms of quality of cables.

@SuperBrainAK

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCarpenterUnion yea I do have an LCR meter and various USB meters/loads, but it would be nice if LTT put cables head to head, or gave it to GN and they can spreadsheet it up!

I would like to see a "budget brand" vs "premium brand" cable test covering each of the cable types you can test. I'd suggest the cables to be tested to come from Best Buy, Newegg, Amazon and so forth. It would be very nice to see which type is really better and when we *SHOULD* spend more on a cable vs less on the same type of cable.

@totalphase

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a fun video idea!

@mareli82

2 жыл бұрын

test them by manufacture brand, most cable have a manufacture , even it it ever som hard to find sometimes

@vinno97

2 жыл бұрын

@@mareli82 this would be the best way. No use in saying "brand A's HDMI is perfect, but its DisplayPort sucks". I want "ignore brand A, trust brand B"

@KameraShy

2 жыл бұрын

Especially Walmart. House brand. That should be real entertaining.

@giedrius2149

2 жыл бұрын

I tried a lot of cables. Honestly, even the super fancy ones were pretty disappointing. Go cheap.

Oh yeah, can't wait for the LTT cable tier list! Very exciting stuff.

@Mnkeys

2 жыл бұрын

Id actually love more cable videos

@MisterRedBird

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly though this would be really useful

@pumpkingolem9122

2 жыл бұрын

me. isnt . bot..........,.

@pumpkingolem9122

2 жыл бұрын

just kidding but i would love a cable tier list

@legendarykiller7633

2 жыл бұрын

no joke

I love the premise here, doing actual scientific testing on products that consumers realistically cannot. Will separate fact from fiction when it comes to reputation vs value. Just beware of companies sending you golden samples, or downgrading their product to increase profits after receiving a "mark of approval" on your test.

I want a place that makes this device available for the public so that I can test my cables.

@hedlund

2 жыл бұрын

Find your nearest makerspace and you'll be testing your cables in no time at all.

I want a video of you testing all the cables you have, I don't care if it's 97 hours long I'll watch it

@edgarweiss9907

2 жыл бұрын

This made me laugh

@eeeeric1966

2 жыл бұрын

I fully agree

@kevinruan

2 жыл бұрын

oh a sick live stream would be nice

@notserpentis

2 жыл бұрын

Public database of all cables tested with all test results for FTW

@IamRyanLPs

2 жыл бұрын

yes

Half a semester of electrical engineering in less than a minute with Riley. Amazing segment.

@littlejackalo5326

2 жыл бұрын

Riley is so cringy. He's about as funny as a rubber crutch. He's such a try hard.

@omgMBP

2 жыл бұрын

@@littlejackalo5326 Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

@totalphase

2 жыл бұрын

We were thinking the same thing!

@pu239

2 жыл бұрын

@@littlejackalo5326 you got ratio'd

@SCKentrol

2 жыл бұрын

Jitter analysis, I still shudder at the memories

Linus: I'm worried about manually soldered wires. Also Linus: let me tap my screwdriver on all the internal bits.

@MuNky1022

2 жыл бұрын

Not just this video, but every time you hear that metal scraping a chip or solder point, I grate my teeth. Not only for the nails on a blackboard sound but potential damage.

@JaredConnell

2 жыл бұрын

It's not like the top of a chip does the important bits

@mjouwbuis

2 жыл бұрын

@@JaredConnell naked flipchips would tend to disagree. Also, a slip-up is very easily made.

@archmagexiv

2 жыл бұрын

In a later video he had an old Mobo he tried to start it by jumping the header pins with the LTT screwdriver and apparently the coating wasn't conductive or something I think

March Madness... get 64 cables, seed the most expensive ones in each of the four brackets, and make a competition of it. I am sure the viewer with the most accurate predictions would love to win whatever extra goodies are laying around your work tables.

Here's an idea: When doing a product review for products that generally come with a cable (such as monitors), throw in a blurb about the bundled cable (pun not intended but not avoided either) and its quality. Sometimes those cables can be real garbage and you actually do better keeping the one you already have. Other times, the one you already have is garbage, and the one included is pretty decent. Just a little thing to throw into your already existing content.

@thatrandumanimechannel1961

2 жыл бұрын

They should 👍

@slimshadythe111

2 жыл бұрын

So many people buy new expensive monitors, only to find out there's something "wrong" with it, but many find out that it was a bad cable.

@flnnhuman

2 жыл бұрын

and ofc ps/xbox cables

@Kenny32441

2 жыл бұрын

Can confirm the cable that comes with serious x is definitely 2.1 As I have a 8k tv That can run in 4K 120hz And can do so

@rwthomas23

2 жыл бұрын

This is definitely solid. An easy way to add value to their existing stuff. This is the first stupidly expensive niche product linus bought that I actually think will be worth it for him.

I'd love to see how different adapters can affect signal rigidity, like usb-c hubs to HDMI, or display-port to USB-c

@frollard

2 жыл бұрын

Might be tricky as the tester machine probably needs a bespoke tester head that has 'usbc + hdmi' ports on it...otherwise you'd have to introduce 2 adapters, one to test the cable, and another to test the adapter - at which point you have more points of failure and couldn't be sure what caused the problem.

@randxalthor

2 жыл бұрын

Would love to see this. I get massive signal integrity problems using wireless peripheral dongles on USB hubs with power pass-through like USB PD. Massive headache.

@pietheijn-vo1gt

2 жыл бұрын

Theoretically, it shouldn't at all. Since the signal is first digitized and then reconstructed from it's samples. Where the issue might occur is if the receiver is of bad quality and the signal is not sampled correctly before being reconstructed.

@AsbestosMuffins

2 жыл бұрын

it'd be interesting to show the difference between simple adapters and active adapters that have to reprocess the signal

@TheThirdPrice

2 жыл бұрын

@@pietheijn-vo1gt theoretically, maybe. However, as this video shows, sometimes the specs ain't up to snuff. You make good points though!

that was a surprisingly good "dummies" coverage of an eye diagram.

Got a couple of thunderbolt cables always seem to get interferance from these , is this because they are trash ? I would really like to find a good one, but they anit cheap. Can anyone recommend a good one ?

Linus's excitment over throwing away crappy cables, i resonate with that.

@mrrooter601

2 жыл бұрын

I was really hoping he would take a pair of scissors to them, but alas...

@adampope5107

2 жыл бұрын

The pain of a cable that is intermittently failing. THE PAAAAAIIINN.

Wow, as an electrical engineer I was impressed with "prof Riley" - the eye diagram and the explanation were on point.

@abdenacerfodil2546

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sometimes i wish i was taught by people who gave a shit about teaching . That's something rarely you see in electrical engineering .

@Mythricia1988

2 жыл бұрын

Was just gonna comment the same. Saw the eye diagrams and was like "oh cool, eye diagrams!" ... and then came the unexpected, and frankly really quite good, Rileysplanation.

@vaualbus

2 жыл бұрын

Not really to be honest... That was not a definition of an eye diagram, you sampling instance in the x not time.... And again you are looking at the effect of ISA generated by the cable filter response. Also I'm not sure how that thing can generate that bitrate with just that two fast ADC and DAC. I would have imaged a big multi thousands dollar FPGA with on board driver for such applications. I don't wanna say bs bit I think that box is "cheating" in some sense. Driven such high borate produce heat and don't see heatsink smell BS to me...

@AtomicSniper22

2 жыл бұрын

Alberto Vaudagna its really not that difficult to test a cable

@DawnVanquisher

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I have spent a lot of time at a LeCroy scope taking measurements such as these and I am not sure I could describe eye diagrams any more succinctly than this. Bravo, Riley!

Would love to see a video about the cables that come with monitors. I find the process informational and relaxing. Also, keep a log of companies cables to see who consistently meets specifications.

Would be great to have a comparison/test of Active and Fiber Optic Hdmi Cables. These are often the only solution for longer HDMI runs for 4K/8K (For a projector install for example).

Or you could do an episode wherein you show all the brands and see if it's worth paying more for the mainstream brands if cheaper cables function to the spec they specify.

@Youboremenow

2 жыл бұрын

The cables they have might be years old and they probably can't at this point guarantee that they've all seen the same kind of usage. They'd have to buy new cable.

@dr_tails658

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I've sworn by Anker USB A & C cables for a while now but are they really that much better? I just know they work and am worried to try anything else so would be nice to see any alternatives with just as good/better quality

@daftnord4957

2 жыл бұрын

i've wondered that about "generic" brand hdmi 2.1 cables vs any name brand gold plated ones

@totalphase

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@PrograError

2 жыл бұрын

@@dr_tails658 maybe they should try testing the amazonbasics also... cheap price cheaper quality?

Riley’s whole bit was pure perfection. You better never let this man leave LMG

@glycerin256

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, great explainer.

@magician1337

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he was great, flawless performance

@austinskylines

2 жыл бұрын

It was so amazing well done Riley! You’re so much better than that engineering guy who thinks he’s funny!

@Azerkeux

2 жыл бұрын

Riley is such a dork, I love him

@StevenKelley

2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same! pay that guy double!

Paused video to say Riley's class on cable signals was superb and taught me so much in such a small time. Bravo sir, 👏

Revisit all the HDMI/Ethernet you've reviewed over the past few years. Especially the EliteCore Ethernet Cable.

I’m actually shocked there don’t seem to be any dedicated cable testing websites 🤔

@fremen13

2 жыл бұрын

Big cable conspiracy

@jorgealonso8742

2 жыл бұрын

On an unrelated topic, as a Spanish speaker, I always read your name as Uncle Joe

@Wignut

2 жыл бұрын

🤔

@windowsxpprofessional

2 жыл бұрын

Hi thio :)

@vamsimohan5369

2 жыл бұрын

weren't you the one who used to make all the troll videos of "how to increase your wifi speed" and all that

I would watch a cable testing stream just fyi

@brandondavid321

2 жыл бұрын

I second this.

@empath69

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandondavid321 yeah...totally willing to 'keep score' while someone at LMG is running cables through their specs.

@mz5388

2 жыл бұрын

+1

@Mack_Dingo

2 жыл бұрын

If you could make bets it would be better

@llamaSHORTS1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mack_Dingo next project for floatplane devs lol

Never change Linus, never change ... ... this pure good energy and vibes. Through all those years :-)

Would love to see cables included with products tested so we know whether we need to buy a separate high-quality cable with a product or not.

I’d be interested to know about how Amazon basics long hdmi cables fair

@CRossEsk

2 жыл бұрын

I want to see all the Amazon Basics cables tested, including USB A and C

@AdventureSMBW

2 жыл бұрын

I have had nothing but success with Amazon Basic tech, especially cables, both video and pro audio. Id be interested in that video too.

@deadnamemcdonald8601

2 жыл бұрын

Just so you know, it's 'fare' English homophones are low-key fucked

@WhoEls

2 жыл бұрын

@@deadnamemcdonald8601 As long as I don't have to read "should of"

@eliyahuw

2 жыл бұрын

I had a terrible time with the Amazon basics HDMI cord my school provided for me when my cable broke. The next few months it would cut out at least two times during class for like 30 seconds totally killing the flow of class. I finally gave up and bought my own.

I would love to see you guys include cable tests for any included cables when you're reviewing a product. Like if a monitor comes with an HDMI or DP cable you can test if it's actually worth using. I love this kind of granular tech stuff and I am glad to finally see someone doing testing on a very grey area of the market.

@seasesh4073

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the device had a DisplayPort connector. Would've been pretty sick

@AlasdairGR

2 жыл бұрын

@@seasesh4073 It has interchangeable testing ports.

@mateuszzimon8216

2 жыл бұрын

Also test USB cables included in phones to verify PD

It was so cool to see you guys stepping up to a great industrial piece of gear like this. I have never used this device but cables can be a real problem for anyone. We had to use a way more expensive network analyzer for the same thing. Not only did it cost 10X it really did not do as good of a job. It was always SOP to test every cable in a test setup prior to testing. Super creds to LTT

Excellent review. I love the product concept, now i just have to see if i can get a demo! Thanks for showing this.

I'd love to see an investigation of so-called "certified" HDMI and Display Port cables from Amazon 🤔

@rogerthomas368

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a good idea, showing if Amazon can deliver valid cables would make the selection process easy for people around the world, but it would make sense to test a number of them to get an averaged result.

@opalb9006

2 жыл бұрын

would fail miserably, amazon has a bad cable track record, remember when all those chargers and surge protectors just melted and caught on fire?

@bland9876

2 жыл бұрын

Wonder what would happen if he tested those $100+ cables that give you better pictures quality and have a USB port for powering something. Sounds like snake oil to me

@PotentChr0nic

2 жыл бұрын

@@bland9876 yes or those overly expensive audiophile USB cables, like the Curious Cable

@coffeemakerbottomcracked

2 жыл бұрын

Almost anything that says "certified" is probably BS

I'd love to see the Quality of peripherals for a monitor for example, just add something about whether or not one should buy a separate cable or if the included one is fine.

@KyleDavis328

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually a great idea. So many of the devices LMG reviews, unboxes, or features contain cables that may or may not be sufficient for the product they're bundled with. It'd be interesting to find out which brands bundle quality cables and which cheap out.

@ItsYaBoi-ATA

2 жыл бұрын

I concure just throw in a little section about the quality of the cables included in the review

@KillahMate

2 жыл бұрын

This. For every product LMG reviews, just a quick line on whether the included cables are Good or Not Good.

That segment with Riley was just brilliant. Informative and hilarious

LOVE the Prof. Riley segment. Didn't love how yellow he looked there, the white balance was a little funky in my layman's opinion

That feeling when Linus starts covering things you deal with in your industry.

@totalphase

2 жыл бұрын

:)

@GeneralChaz9

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, happens whenever he does networking stuff for me. lol

@andrekz9138

2 жыл бұрын

Good or bad feeling? I imagine it's exciting. I'm disappointed that people take advantage of most people's inability to test cables. On a similar note, I've overloaded a thiiiick 16g electrical extension cord because I thought thicker simply meant better. At least I learned to read gauge and wattage from that near disaster.

@monotrope

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrekz9138 What is your industry/field? Also I cringed when you said you thought "thicker simply meant better". This entire trend of "thicker/fatter/heavier/heftier/bigger/beafier (or whatever you wanna call it) is better" is like one of the worst things to hit engineeering as a whole. All the chinese have to do is put some rocks in something and fools will believe it's "hIgHeR qUaliTyyyy" because it's "heavier". What's worse is when youtube reviewers say "umm it's heavy, so it feels good quality". Sorry for the rant but stupid consumers get stupid managers to force engineers to make stupid products. Cables are one such field. Don't take any of this personally. It's a long pent up rant with a real problem.

@arthurmoore9488

2 жыл бұрын

@@monotrope It's an annoying trend because heavier is often a side effect of high quality / more durable products. 12AWG is not exactly light, and for products thicker more dense plastics are also heavy. Just people know the affect, and don't bother to look for the cause.

I'd like to see a test for the HDMI cables that comes in the new consoles (PS5, Series X, Switch)

@DemonWolf100

2 жыл бұрын

In the same vein: HDMI cords that come with popular gaming monitors.

@adriigonzaalez1788

2 жыл бұрын

@@DemonWolf100 most come with display port

@redblusun9489

2 жыл бұрын

This. I would love to see this, considering that tech manufacturers could very well cheap out on the cables they bundle with the consoles to save money.

Yeah, nice to to have such testing device. Iam glad my Denon AVR is capable of testing HDMI cables too!

I am an "Entertainment Technician", and this tester could save me SO MUCH TIME... You have no idea how often I have to diagnose problems with video signals between multiple systems on a show or event. Normally everything works well, but when it doesn't a giant headeache is had and it's next to impossible to know what part of the signal path is at fault.

my friend was a very early adopter of this standard and got many cables that were all apparently validated with one of these machines but lo and behold they mostly didn't work properly at HDMI 2.1 speeds. most of them would not give him full resolution/hz/colour depth, or would only work with heavy chroma subsampling etc. the most common issues were the cables with active components. testers only run small burst tests and would not find overheating issues. he suspects that even some of these machines themselves are not configured to test the bandwidth of HDMI 2.1 correctly due to the confusion over this new standard. I hope when you do these reviews that you test every cable hooked up to real hardware too

@Vladislav_0001

2 жыл бұрын

Hi DeSinc!

@DeSinc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vladislav_0001 hello

@generic6099

2 жыл бұрын

The flying funny half life man is on a lmg video about a cable tester talking about hdmi 2/2.1 cables that do not meet the standard

@lagrangemechanics

2 жыл бұрын

This is supposed to be a quick and dirty test. I don't know how much the box in this video actually costs but I don't imagine it's consumer-level pricing, however it's still only quick-and-dirty level in terms of industrial certification standard. A full rigorous test for certification takes 30 minutes (edit: it's actually closer to 2 hours if checking every resolution) and involves a EMI-free chamber with rotational capabilities. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6SG0KOdc5a0fqg.html

@semibreve

2 жыл бұрын

I love the occasional interaction DeSinc has with all of my favourite KZreadrs

Idea for testing cables: When reviewing a product with a included cable run it though the tester and let us know of a pass or fail

@justinbustle8688

2 жыл бұрын

I came here to say exactly this call out brands that send bad cables with their products or at least if they have anything that says something like a 4k monitor that says it includes a HDMI 2.1 cable

@jurij12091299

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the cables that come with consoles or monitors even phone charging cables would be nice to know more about

It would be nice to see some coverage of cables provided in the box with most display manufacturers. And then maybe some alternates if there are some really bad cables provided.

Love this idea ! It's MUCH needed.

OMG. Every cable manufacturer is probably shitting bricks right now because LTT can test their cables now. This is gonna be great. Can finally know what cables to avoid and what cables are actually worth the money. Would love to see that 1k HDMI cable tested. Also, would love a video of testing different cables on a test bench to see if there are frame differences possibly. Though I know it'd probably be minuscule and more typical deviation between tests than an actual real difference.

@ArmiaKhairy

2 жыл бұрын

@tan j maz actually, that's quite cheap compared to other products that can measure in the range to 10ths GHz

@alouisschafer7212

2 жыл бұрын

There wont be frame differences at all if a cable cant to 4k 144hz for example the monitor will say insufficient signal cant establish a 144hz link and downscale to I dunno 120hz 75hz

@YaMaTiNo50

2 жыл бұрын

@tan j maz It's industrial equipment, you are not meant to buy these, obviously it's worth the money for LTT because of what they do.

@ArmiaKhairy

2 жыл бұрын

@tan j maz making a device like this is very expensive, since it needs collects very huge amounts of data in a very little time in order to test the cables. The oscilloscopes that are able to measure these stuff can cost up to millions of dollars, and it doesn't have such software that can measure and sort the measurements like this. I guess it's relatively cheap because it's very specifically designed for HDMI cables.

@bakagaijin7452

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArmiaKhairy It is a generic redriver/retimer from TI. It has nothing in common with set multi ghz equipment. And no one in their mind would use a real time oscilloscope for that kind of job. There are VNA/BERT testers for that.

Make a spreadsheet of the brands and supposed specs that they claim and add the results with a time/date stamp. A two man job of testing and data entry while you check your inventory of cables. That way you can always review them later if those same brands make revisions or new products.

@JoseAlvarado-fj8uo

2 жыл бұрын

THIS, rn buying HDMI 2.1 on Amazon or elsewhere is a minefield, even the certified ones, I bought two and both failed, non stop blinking and other failures

@hmm2928

2 жыл бұрын

I second this. This would be so good. An open source database of cable integrity. Wish ltt does it.

@dvknight

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to get the Zeskit hdmi 2.1 16ft cable but im getting mixed reviews, my current cable keeps flickering from time to time when send a 4k hdr 120hz signal which does not happen with the short cable, i know hdmi lenght limitations but a 16ft (5mt) cable should be possible and thats what im looking for.

@totalphase

2 жыл бұрын

This sounds like an AWESOME idea! We cannot wait to see it!

@SyntheticFuture

2 жыл бұрын

You need to test like 100 cables of every brand, type and size to even have a single significant data point. You can't just test 1 cable and say "all cables of this type by this brand are good or bad". So this is next to impossible.

Glad to have you back Linus!

A head to head comparison of famous brands would be great! Specially Anker since they seem to have quality stuff for an affordable price

idea: whenever you test a monitor/tv, test the included cables.

@qgame4941

2 жыл бұрын

That idea is actually super helpful

@chocolatecandybar4319

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it is needed, since manufacturer standardized them so that the device you are buying give you optimum performance.

@harrisongilbert

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea

@3xceIIent

2 жыл бұрын

@@chocolatecandybar4319 Thats right. A manufacturer would never cheap out on cables. They only care about our experience.

@Lewini

2 жыл бұрын

Along the same lines, perhaps a video showcasing different company's included cables. I'd love to see how the new xBox and PS5 cables stack up

The Professor Riley segment was actually great. We cover this in engineering classes, both electrical and for fiber optics

@joel9002

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I love professor Riley

DUDE! This is awesome. Like he said "snake oil" BS with these cables is still a big problem. So many times I've been afraid of going with a certain brand or lable because I justr wasnt sure if it did what it said it would do. The placebo effect is strong too, "yeah, that looks clearer I think".

"Little drunk Linus" - this should be a series of its own :D

This is probably the most exciting piece of equipment I've seen LMG pick up. Knowing my past experiences with awful cables, I can't imagine the wasted time and diagnosing you have had there. Very very handy tech to have. I'm looking forward to seeing you test cables. Amazon basics, included cables with monitors, but also adapters (DP to HDMI) if it supports that.

@totalphase

2 жыл бұрын

This tool can make for some very eye-opening videos! At the office, when we released this tool, everyone came and tested their cables to find out almost half our cables sucked. Glad you enjoyed the content! Linus and his team is GREAT!

@angerthosenear_yt

2 жыл бұрын

@@totalphase I know I'd certainly haul my box-o-cables up to test. Glad to see you in the comments, I know I'd be proud of this tester. I felt underwhelmed when I first saw the unit and was expecting a basic pass/fail. But the detail in the web UI, with the port breakdown, signal captures, and other details was really impressive. The module options you have available are really slick too. While certainly out of the price range and use case for normal consumers, I think you have a killer product for the price. Too bad there isn't a viable way I can think of to bring this into normal consumer hands. But hopefully this paves the way for some KZread reviews for 3rd party validation for cables. Thanks Total Phase!

@Powerman293

2 жыл бұрын

Seeing all the content Gamers Nexus has done since they got their PSU machine and their upcoming fan tester, I am VERY stoked for all the LTT videos to come out of this

@totalphase

2 жыл бұрын

@@angerthosenear_yt Thank you for the kind words! The Advanced Cable Tester v2 is meant for factory applications. Our goal with the tool was to put pressure on the large cable producing factories for higher quality production. We are pushing to get factories to test EVERY cable off the production line to ensure on-spec production. Of course this is ambitious but is starting to happen! We were tired of troubleshooting users devices only to find out the issue with the device is actually not with the device but with the cable. This is extremely frustrating! Hence the Cable Tester was born! We hope creators, like Linus Tech Tips, continue to use and love our tester while also providing useful cable information for their viewers.

@angerthosenear_yt

2 жыл бұрын

@@totalphase Absolutely. I think you nailed the market segment. As some others here in the comments mentioned, a public online resource to view tests would be really neat. Either through you, or up to each 3rd party tester (but might have too much overlap / testing the same cables). That's a whole spiral of planning however. Especially due to sample size and batches of production, this may be one of the biggest problems. Similar to GamersNexus covering some recent PSUs that failed spec after the initial run within spec. Linus's face when he got the reassurance of the red FAIL summed it up perfectly. Hours of frustration wasted in all the wrong place. I appreciate you showed the data results from the test too. It's a technical device, so seeing the technical results without hiding things is a breath of fresh air. I've seen some technical equipment dumb things down and avoid using terms which only introduces confusion when trying to diagnose an issue. Great job there.

I'd be curious to see the results of Linus' Thunderbolt over fiber cable that he has at his house. Not entirely sure if that would be possible, but it would be interesting nonetheless.

Thank You linus and co for again imparting us wisdom.

I would seriously love a rapid fire series where let's say for ten minutes you spend a minute testing each capable of a certain variety or spec. The amount of time it would save me looking for quality cables would be sublime

Gamers Nexus would have a field day with this thing 😂

@megan_alnico

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking Dawid does tech. He loves buying stuff on Wish and testing it.

@BritishTeaLover

2 жыл бұрын

@@megan_alnico You can bet Steve is getting sent this by this team with a pleading face emoji asking him to get them one

@gorkskoal9315

2 жыл бұрын

lol you reeeely don't like new egg do you. lol do you much trolling they can do>

"There's a lot of good we can do by casting light on brands or product lines that are not adhering to the standards." OH GOD YES! Please rip the cable industry a new one. It's bad enough that we need a spreadsheet to understand USB standards, but having the countless crappy Chinese manufactures lying through their teeth about their cable specs just makes it all the more frustrating when shopping for them. In fact, I would be glad to donate money to send Gamer's Nexus one of those testers too.

@doom2125

2 жыл бұрын

My first thought after seeing this is how did they beat Steve to the punch!

You guys should take the tester around to random offices in your area and offer to test their cables for some kind of game. Add some fun stakes and personality and you have a show. Maybe get a sponsor to buy new cables to replace their garbage ones. This means you’ll be doing good by removing bad cables, spreading the word locally and virtually, and making content.

I think this channel should do a lot more cable testing, review, and sharing through videos. I built a rack personal computer to put in my home server room and ran long hdmi and usb through the ceiling and into my office. I was able to make everything work "fine" with hdmi boosters and usb active cables. But this is an area where cable quality really makes a difference.

you should retest the unbreakable HDMI kabel and see if it passes before and after destruction testing!

@Creekie1337

2 жыл бұрын

cable* :) Understandable though considering you're Dutch.

@haraldsoderlund1142

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea :D

@norkshit

2 жыл бұрын

@@Creekie1337 shut up grammar nazi

@lunchbox1553

2 жыл бұрын

@@norkshit It's actually spelling

@quentingastaldi9253

2 жыл бұрын

What about the made out of silver bitch cable

I’d kill for a video seeing if the “Amazon basics” recommended cords are up to task

@clutchcrezy9406

2 жыл бұрын

yes!!! lmaoo

@thanatosst

2 жыл бұрын

Narrator: "They weren't"

@ZillionPrey

2 жыл бұрын

Nah they're not. It's just a basic cable.

@zxcvb_bvcxz

2 жыл бұрын

The USB 10 gig cables from Amazon are some of the only ones I can get to work

@conorstewart2214

2 жыл бұрын

@@zxcvb_bvcxz Then you have many problems with your hardware, its not the cables.

I always needed one of these in the kitchen.

I love it. Great video! Professor Riley was awesome in every way.

idea: keep using the cable tester for your own internal purposes, but log all the data of which cable suppliers passed and failed, then release an occasional report on those

@tanmaypanadi1414

2 жыл бұрын

just like back blaze does for hardrives.

@sarowie

2 жыл бұрын

that could be rude, when Linus drives a car over a cable for a stunt, then finds it in a box months later and then complains on air about the cable. Swiss parliament had high quality Ethernet wire installed, but it failed signal integrity test. It took a few weeks before they figured out that someone store a heavy crate on top of the cable spool, deforming the inner isolator, degrading signal integrity. Note: The cable spool was clearly labeled as "do not stack". So, the cable manufacturer and the installer where not at fault, but a random contractor caused a lot of damage, as the wire had to be replaced.

I'm curious if that rediculously expensive "diamond" cable is still in stock. I'd love to see that on the machine. The $1000 cable from wireworld featured in "useless tech over $100"

@smogstreaming

2 жыл бұрын

I am absolutely shocked that this wasn't even mentioned in the episode. : /

@spawnsen823

2 жыл бұрын

tbh I did forget that episode. But hell ya, I guess we all wanna see that cable.

@Lucas_van_Hout

2 жыл бұрын

You might see that it actually conducts and insulates better, even though it doesn’t matter at all.

@007i1

2 жыл бұрын

Immediately thought this too

@deeznuttes9340

2 жыл бұрын

@@smogstreaming i wonder if linus even remembers that episode that's some OG shit

Surprisingly. This video is cool. Did not know this cord tester gave grafts and analytics. Vary cool.👍👍👍

can't wait for this series! it's gonna be a hit!!!!!

Honestly, this is such a good move. Just the fear of being called out is going to drive some manufacturers back to their suppliers, and I can see a lot more of these testers coming to market.

@W1ldTangent

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like a galaxy-brain move on Linus' part if that was his goal here... and whether intended or not, that may yet be the result. Let us hope.

Test the cables bundled with the monitors you guys review. Would be interesting to see if they skimp on the cables.

Ahhh YEAH!!! This was my kind of content! Lovely! I hate fake cables pushed by fake brands (or brands that does not know better) ! I have seen that SOOO much and it makes me CRAZY!!

This is great for when you get new motherboards, monitors, etc to make sure they are up to spec or if Manufacturers are cutting cost

Testing OEM HDMI or DP cables that usually come with monitors would be nice, since that is the most likely thing people will use for their systems

@snakevalor8837

2 жыл бұрын

Facts right there using cables that came with my monitor as we speak

@alexnator

2 жыл бұрын

@@92kosta yeah, I know that, but companies sometimes tend to cheap out on things like these, so a video idea would be comparing the quality of cables manufacturers include with their monitors, because bad cables lead to more ewaste

When reviewing products, please test the cables that come with them as well. Curious how many companies are saving pennies by using cheaper products.

@peterkazmir

2 жыл бұрын

+100

you are super good explainin staff...more of these videos please

This is great I can't wait to see the videos on this subject. I wonder if there is any way to see the differences on super high end cables that cost premium, and if they are worth the extra cost.

I would love a big Excel document with all cables you've tested. Including as much information as possible along side whether they pass or fail. This would allow for quick searching before buying a cable in future! Tho I understand this would be a huge amount of work, it would be the dream.

@theRPGmaster

2 жыл бұрын

I second this. Also including cables available internationally, not just in NA.

@DrakkarCalethiel

2 жыл бұрын

@@theRPGmaster Heck yes! Expand this to an international project would be awesome. With the reach LTT has, some companies will have an awfull time while others will have many many more customers in future.

@abrararifify

2 жыл бұрын

It would be a really smart idea, especially if they link an affiliate link to each cable they tested. Can make a lot of money from this

@anarchangel7

2 жыл бұрын

definitely a pass fail list. Would be super helpful.

@bitonic589

2 жыл бұрын

GIMMIE A MICROSOFT POWERPOINT

As someone who's not an electrical engineer, I really liked Prof Riley's section. I really like that this channel tries to make complicated parts of their videos simple for noobs like me, but they don't brush them aside like most channels. Love it

A video on each cable type taking samples from each brand would be kinda nice. Like a cable tier list! Ethernet, display, HDMI etc. Id be interested to know how it fairs testing audio cable too! Im always buying gold connectors and things being an audiophile, would be nice to know how much effect the different conductive coatings actually have.

Haha great! I learned something new with the blue eye. Thanks

I would like you to test the cables that come with high end Monitors and see if theyre up to spec.

@hellterminator

2 жыл бұрын

They almost certainly are. The main point of bundling cables is avoiding RMAs due to customers using bad cables.

@benbaselet2026

2 жыл бұрын

@@hellterminator Another reason to make sure they really are :) Factories could scam the brand so badly. Make some good ones first and then start putting cheaper shit in the box after they get established.

@Bad__Music2262

2 жыл бұрын

Not just that, for every time they review any product they normally would. If the product comes with a testable cable (except power cables probably), I would love to see them briefly cover the data for that cable as a brief segment, because that's part of the product and thus pertinent to the review. Maybe they edit out the testing time but it looks fast and easy enough to test the odd included cable or two for product reviews going forward.

Oh man, I would love one of these :O

@RojasTKD7

2 жыл бұрын

You can have one too... For the low low price of $15,000. 😁

- You should do a roll-up video of when you go through your collection of cables and say what was wrong and how. - When reviewing something such as a monitor, include the testing of the cables it comes with (including power, don't want them sneaking dodgy power cables in with expensive monitors/power supplies because you said "we generally have had no issues with power cables"). sometimes you do reviews of special cables like the wireless ones and the fancy fibreoptic ones, might be worth revisiting them.

This is super cool. Great Video!

Teacher Riley is the secret sauce we've been missing all these years

@captainTubes

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I do like the character. Erudite, overly dramatic, yet vulnerable and charismatic 🤌

@OperationDarkside

2 жыл бұрын

And he's only allowed to use big pieces of paper

@KwamenaA

2 жыл бұрын

Gave a thumbs up just for that to this video hah.

@johnnypopstar

2 жыл бұрын

Nice camo tactleneck he's rocking too. Blends right in as a teacher.

@captainTubes

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnypopstar tactleneck 🤣

That section with Riley was downright delightful, loved everything about it!

@sig_kill

2 жыл бұрын

And his eye diagram sweater was a nice touch too!

@daylen577

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I've ever seen Riley on-screen without being delighted, honestly

@munroegarrett

2 жыл бұрын

How is a diamond a hexagon?

@koreysquared

2 жыл бұрын

dude gimme a whole series with that. that gen Z bill nye material right there.

Electrical engineer designing wireline custom ICs here: your eye diagram explanation was pretty much on point👍

Can you make a video going over the other aspects of cables as well? Like the manufacturing process that makes some cables droop perfectly like a shoelace in comparison to others that spring back into weird "janky" shapes. Does it matter if they tightly wrap a good cable in packaging? What makes it so that we hear noise from some audio cables as they run across our clothes, but some don't make a peep? What kind of strain relief is the best? Stuff like that. Maybe there are more aspects to a cable that aren't complete phooey that I don't even know about. If someone knows of a video(s) like this please share it!

It would be interesting to see some "Audio-Voodoo" cables, especially the digital ones, like LAN, that are supposed to improve your audio streaming signal for so called "audiophiles"...

@lethalantidote

2 жыл бұрын

for analog, cable quality matters. for digital, not so much. Either the signal is clean enough to read or it's not. As long as the cable meets the bandwidth requirements, it will perform as well as all other cables that also meet it. A digital audio cable built to spec that degrades the signal such that it can not be perfectly captured on the receiving end is broken and should not be used. Full stop.

@allansh828

2 жыл бұрын

I looked up the JPS Labs cables that dms brought to demo his Abyss headphones. The high end power cord costs 10k/meter.

@allansh828

2 жыл бұрын

@@lethalantidote No. Digital cables affect sound way more noticeable than Analog cables becuase how overlooked they are. Supra cables are very cheap and the improvement is huge. Their $40 USB cable is very close to Audioquest Diamond performance.

@bobjohnson6362

2 жыл бұрын

@@allansh828 This is the exact reason, why LLT should test audio cables. I would like to see a comparison between XLR and Jack because of the countless argument of "what sounds better"

@klipschorny

2 жыл бұрын

@Olivia Olivia nobody here is gonna give you money for taking your clothes off go away

I friggin' love when Riley is... like this. As for the device, obviously not something I - a certified rando - could justify getting, but it would honestly have come in handy a number of times. And why wouldn't you just test every cable with it if you had access to one. Really cool and well made product.

@davidenzler1691

2 жыл бұрын

at $15k it is definitely not a certified rando product. Maybe certified professional rando. I just threw away half of my cables within the last couple months because I kept having issues with my monitor-dock-laptop setup. It sure would have been nice to be able to actually test them instead of pluggin in cables until one kinda worked consistently.

I would love to know enough about technology that I'd be able to open up hardware and try to figure out what's doing what on the circuit board. Linus has an impressive body of knowledge under his belt!

sounds like you need a cable stripping/recycling machine. make a big cable ingot!

@FurryMetalFerretVT

2 жыл бұрын

then make another CPU cooler out of it lol