Hey all. To answer some of the common questions: 1) These OE tyres are only currently available in the G80 sizes, so 275/35 R19 front and 285/30 R20 rear. 2) If you have a really old OE tyre, it's likely a new non-OE tyre is better, see this video for reference kzread.info/dash/bejne/X36A2LCjY92Zn7w.html 3) These can be bought in the usual channels just like any other OE tyre, there's usually a few % more expensive. There's also a shortage of these tyres currently. I think that's it. Don't forget to review your own tyres over at www.tyrereviews.com too 😁

@footballtiktoks7886

3 жыл бұрын

Forgot to ask sir, the star in the name to spot the original, only in Michelin? How do you spot an original or aftermarket for example in Hankook, Pirelli or Continental. ( I have bought theese tyres and equiped my cars by your recomandation and i was satisfied by every one )

@Psych0technic

3 жыл бұрын

@@footballtiktoks7886 * is bmw specific certification, when it comes to ordinary, non m bmw models, you can see plenty of choice of * certified tires from various tire manufacturers. Every car manufacturer have their own label for tires, for example mercedes puts mo on certified tires.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@footballtiktoks7886 the above comment is correct :) There's a list of some of the common OE markings in the video description too

@titibobo2000

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarification, much appreciated.

@jameshaulenbeek5931

3 жыл бұрын

I know they're not meant for it, but I'd be interested to see how these compare to the aftermarket 4S on a front wheel drive platform (such as the Golf/GTI)

Geek out lvl: Tyre Reviews

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

We still need that track rematch #neverforget

@CarThrottle

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrereviews don't embarass yourself again, man...

@yumyumracing

3 жыл бұрын

I've got a car you should do a comparison with ;-)

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@yumyumracing Nobels are sweeeeeeeeet

@yumyumracing

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrereviews this one has a few things up its sleeve over a standard one too. Thanks for saying though, appreciate that.

The most underrated channel on KZread. Yes I’ll say it again!

@stevenswann3254

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, agree. I used to pour all over the Evo mag's tyre tests, but Jonathon's reviews leave Evo for dead.

@PrinceBarin77

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. This content is on a different level. Given the importance of tyres to performance, it deserves way more attention.

@sid12345678910

3 жыл бұрын

agreed, such valuable information. All my tyre choices have been because of these vids. Cannot apricate it enough.

@JWL-UK

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of eyes have now been opened. I never knew that OE tyres were any different to their retail equivalent! And I had lots of cars over the last 20 years. I wonder how many people actually know the work behind the scenes for years in order to achieve what the carmaker reckons is the best match for the car. Keeping it to only a handful of people makes it a very undersold/underrated competitive advantage for both carmaker and tyre manufacturer. At the same time, isn't it false advertising? How many people will even know that there's a STAR to look for on the tyre apart from everything else? 🤔

@juhakivekas2175

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenswann3254 I like this guy. He is so pragmatic and analytic - and really appears to have a good butt for the drive feel. I have had a little try on tyre testing and I can tell the subjective tests are really demanding. You really need to be a talented driver to feel the difference between two good tyres. You can easily feel a difference of a lousy and a good tyre but to be exact and repeatable between almost equal tyres is really demanding. And you need to be able to change the driving style - you need to be good at straight braking as well as in trailing. You need to be able to shift between early and late apexes and find repeatedly minute differencies. This guy seems to have all this. One of the best, perhaps the best independent tyre test CREW is the Testworld from Finland. It was originally some car journos of a tech mag who set the company. Since then they have created huge test facilities in Ivalo in Lapland. Of course their hyperexpertize is in the winter tyre segment but they also do a lot of testing for tyre and car companies around the world. And there has also been some freelance spin offs from Testworld e.g. Micke Bergman Engineering Ltd. Micke works for many companies. And if you ever go to the Ring you will find an army of testers there for almost all the car and tyre makes. Some of them are for one brand some are like hired guns, mercenaries of the trade.

Absolutely brilliant level of information, thank you for the continued incredible detail and knowledge sharing. I found that fascinating, and I'm sure I'm not the only one!

@TheCuteLittleDoggy

3 жыл бұрын

Sup Shmee :)

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

@gottliebdee263

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, BUT............. What if you actually prefer how the non OE tyre performs on your car overall. Which tyre is 'better' then?

@paulken1919

3 жыл бұрын

@@gottliebdee263 like * marked runflat tyres that makes the car crap? BMW just suck

@sidneygriffiths5737

3 жыл бұрын

Its amazing how us plebs take tires for granted! " whats the cheapest as long as their not remolds"

What a great video!!! I never thought about comparing OEM tires to their base tires, and then testing them on an actual track. It's wonderful to get such a detailed analysis of the difference. Thank You so much!!!

The energy in his review is perfect to start a day. Keep up the good energetic reviews.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

I love seeing the sparkle in your eyes when you're enjoying the handling.

When i have bought my first set of Michelin for my city fun shopping basket, i was shocked completely. The car just simply turned into something very different, i can spin it around on edges, i can put it everywhere even with a mm away from the previous line, i can feel every move the car makes, i know immediately when it starts slide across/broadside and i can limit it by the speed, and i have full trust in my tyres. After this video i am completely convinced that they KNOW everything ABOUT TIRES AND they can make everyhing out of rubber whatever they want. i am not a fan of Michelin, neither of any other tiremaker, but where the innovation comes from there is self-confident knowledge and you might be sure that you get more than you expected.

Loved the review! Great to finally get this question answered, the extra cost does represent extra value!

This is one of your most informative videos. Always wondered this. Thank you. FWIW, everyone that knows me (that isn't a racing friend) thinks that I am the tire expert and always consult me for tire recommendations. Little do they know, I'm only tire smart because of this channel...

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, sorry for all the tyre questions you get from your friends!

I don't understand how you bring so much good content on tyres alone! Love what you do - keep it up. This was an eye opener for me!

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

This channel is one of the best on KZread. Solid info, entertaining, great video and audio!

Mate you're the hero we didn't know we needed. Please never stop reviewing tyres!

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Why thank you :)

I would totally buy the Tyre Reviews Edition PS4S. Sign me tf up!

What a cool tire! I love seeing the breakdown between the different compounds and hearing about the technology

@Peanutdenver

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed...we're rarely get to hear this kind of detail on performance tires. It's usually just named then the journalist moves on to other numbers and details. Great geeky stuff imo.

Absolutely awesome comparison and what we’ve all been waiting for!

Who knew how much I would enjoy a 16minute video on tyres?! Good job 👏🏼👏🏼👊🏼

@tyrereviews

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

This is an awesome video. I love how much you love it!! I always go for the * on my BM and the AO on my Audi. Glad to know there is a difference. Would be interesting to see the same with some of the other manufacturers. Quality work from Michelin on the invitation to you. The obviously were confident.

Top quality content, as always!

Damn I never thought the difference would be that great! Definitely one of my favorite channels !!

Really appreciate the forensic level of detail, absolutely what I’m looking for! Thanks.

Thanks for this great video. Beside that it is good (but credible) advertisement for BMW (Freude am Fahren) and Michelin, you proove to be one of the best tyre testers on youtube.

I'd actually love to see both your entire interview with the development engineer from Michelin and raw footage from the driver's point of view of each of your fastest laps. Would it be possible to supply this sort of content in the future? Absoluely loving your videos! Great work, keep it up!

@Seramics

Жыл бұрын

Was asking the same

@dannysdailys

Жыл бұрын

Yes, maybe the Michelin engineer could explain why they had to recall 6 million tires.

Massive appreciation for the level of detail that you provide. Great work 👍

Love this channel! Always looked for a UK unbiased reviewer. Found one now! All the best with the channel and business.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Truly the best tire evaluation. The granularity and depth is impressive.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

It would be really interesting to do the same test with porsche specific and non Porsche marked tires. There is always a bunch of discussion on this topic in porsche circles. :)

@Matt-go7ss

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, me too. And not only that but Porsche specific tyres for old Porsches. The tyres didn't even exist back when Porsche released the cars....

@mscislawin

2 жыл бұрын

and later the test with Porsche tires on BMW :)

@prosiakovo461

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when Michelin can’t deliver to the market N (Porsche) tires for 911 (225/40/18) since many months!

@petesims

Жыл бұрын

I would like to know too

@dannysdailys

Жыл бұрын

Porsche uses tires that are a little more than half tread so they wear out faster. Factory motorcycle tires do the same thing. Perelli is famous for that.

The sheer enjoyment was using the OE tyres told us everything we needed to know. Another excellent video.👍

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Loved this. I always wondered about OE spec tires and I'm also glad to know I'm not the only one to notice the fiddly little differences in tire behavior. Cheers!

Absolutely amazing review!! Thanks a lot and hopefully michelin will produce the tyre review edition! I would buy it:)

just brillant ! For all the BMW XDrive Owner: The reduction of variance of the side wall for OE Tire is very important to avoid costly damages on your xdrive system. With cheap tire with high variance the XDrive System thinks there is a permanent slip and is managing the whole time the power between the axle (that's what meant in the video with the sensitivity). Such AWD System are actually not designed for permanent slip.

I know video is a year old, but I just stumbled upon it and it's awesome! Thank you for breaking this down, no one ever explained the differences! OE is impressive for sure!

Another brilliant review! Please don’t worry about the length of the videos. Love them to be even longer!

This single video turned my decade+ long car-enthusiast level knowledge of tires upside-down. I have to throw away most of I thought I knew (and others around me thought they knew) and rethink my choices of tires. It also makes me sad that such information (what kind of compounds, exactly, are used, where they are used etc) is extremely hard to find when buying tires and instead we get marketing... Amazing video.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

Great video! A few years ago I put non-N0 rated PS4S's on my 911 C2S and the sidewall felt soft and disconnected like I was driving a minivan (kind of what you describe around 5:50 in your video). They now offer a N0 rated PS4S in my sizes, so I will be giving those a shot based off this video - thanks!

Always wanted to see this comparison! Thanks for the upload

This is by far one of the most informative tire videos I've watch...going to be replaying this in my head all day hoping to grasp half of it lol

@tyrereviews

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Great video! As usual 😊

Hey Michelin, Hell yeah I’ll buy it Love this channel. I love that he’s passionate about tires that translate to lots of good, useful information from a happy guy

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :D

Brilliant review as per usual, thanks for your great work. Always a pleasure to watch! :)

I always loved cars and thought I knew how important tyres are, but watching your videos, I learned so much, and see tyres with a much bigger importance.

"This is sexy" - when cars guys say something only other car guys understand

@alexnutcasio936

3 жыл бұрын

You mean like exhaust bearings or blinker fluid??

@Rns555

3 жыл бұрын

What r u gay?

@LRM12o8

2 жыл бұрын

"This is sexy" -> cuts to a shot of the front of the car You shure your eyesight is good enough to be driving on a race track? 😂

Thank you so much for this interesting test. It a pleasure to see how happy you are with the 4S*.. Actually I have made the same experience with PSS vs. PSS* on the M3 E92.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I've not done that comparison on my e92, big difference then?

@h.l.4587

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrereviews Yes I think so, the grip feels better. As far as it's possible to test on public roads.

The video wasn't too long! Thank you for this it was awesome

Amazing review with plenty of geeky (great) details. Love the passion and info. Keep it up

I never knew this. Interesting and thanks for your research.

@qpSubZeroqp

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with op. Thank you from me too

Brilliant test with a brilliant explanation of the differences. Thank you, 2.5 years development entirely justified with 2 whole seconds quicker.. 2 seconds! 😳

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

So good watching this channel grow. Well done man.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude :D

Thanks again! I’ve been awaiting this video since you mentioned it may be coming.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoyed it!

Love, love loved that review! I learnt so much. Please Michelin, find a way to marry that OEM tyre's steering feel and response with the PS4/4S grip - wet and dry. That would be my perfect tyre.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I'm very excited for the 5S

Excellent video and very interesting! Awesome of Michelin to invite you out to test and explain the technology. Definitely mimic your findings with our own G80 M3, and great to uncover something we’ve long thought that the tyre is also being tuned to the cars desired performance. We noticed similar with the A90 Supra, the Super Sports on that are leagues ahead of the regular aftermarket one we used to love until the PS4S came along.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I'm actually testing with an A90 later this year, excited to see what I can do!

How amazing and interesting this all is is very obvious just by your manner of speech. I love the data and everything, but watching someone genuinely having fun is always a great experience. Amazing video.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Love how passionate you are about tires

I would love to see a video going for a comparison of the same brand comparing the different classes of tires and how they perform to help decide how much of a trade off on performance we are sacrificing for the sake of comfort and treadware (i.e. PS4S vs PS AS4 vs CrossClimate vs Primacy vs etc.).

@jayflow1150

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! I had the Michelin Primacy HP as the standard tyre on my Toyota 86 and they are borderline dangerous in everything but dry roads. Swapped out for some Pilot Sport 4 and they’ve taken away some of the fun of the car

@sid12345678910

3 жыл бұрын

good idea

@machtschnell7452

3 жыл бұрын

Just too broad a survey across differently engineered tires. Only the 4S* is engineered particularly for G80/82.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to do that too :)

@kalanajasenthuliyana

2 жыл бұрын

This would be a dream come true.

Tyre legend!

Your enthusiasm is infectious. Geek out; no one minds :)

Love seeing in depth tire reviews like this

Wow, that’s a lot more differences than I thought. Different compounds, different constructions, and even different tread patterns - they are basically different tyres.

@mesuesja80

2 жыл бұрын

but maybe it is worse in wet and often we have wet!

Amazing intel that confirms what I've been feeling for years. Always go OE in my supercars: they feel faster, more responsive and more engaging with the road.

Man, your videos always captivate me with the amount of fun information and your excitement about it. Another awesome video and definitely learned something new. Awesome work mate, great fun! :)

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoy them

Fantastic video as always! I think it would be interesting for future videos to test how much age and wear affect tyre performance. I haven't found much data about it Ps: I got the Goodyear egp2 on your recommendation and I'm loving them

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks :) If you ever get the time a review on www.tyrereviews.com would be really great!

I am generally supprised, that they are selling two different tyres with same name.

@SjefeNoverSjef

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's confusing...

@Briggsian

3 жыл бұрын

It's actually more than just two tires, since many different makes and models have bespoke tires

@dhillaz

2 жыл бұрын

After all this design and effort, the Michelin factory might accidentally ship the wrong tires to BMW because they look identical.

@coreyrisolvato5288

2 жыл бұрын

The same exists with the Pilot Sport Cup 2. Shelby GT350 has one compound and tread design, while the GT350R has has a different compound and tread design. Then Porche has an N-spec version and there is yet another general consumption design.

Thank you I was waiting for this video.

Wow didn’t know there is so much science and nuances in tyres. Very informative video!

And people still thinks it's just a "black rubber thing" and buy the cheapest tyre they can :-(. Thanks for another excelet video.

@AevenSong

3 жыл бұрын

Especially old asian people 🤣🤣 me mum in law has her car tyre going bald and the next tyre she chose was a 2nd hand tyre, saying "it's just tyres if it can run on my car it's okay"

@thomascarpenter5536

3 жыл бұрын

For most people, that is exactly what it is. Most people do not need tires like this. Nor do they want to waste so much money on something that they will not get use out of.

@CartubeCoIl

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomascarpenter5536 Indeed, but there is a big differences in emergency between tyre from some unknown brand from China to something like Falken ZE310, which it's a budget tyre as well. The price difference is very small but the performance, for the general public, can be huge in emergency.

@weedshoes5089

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomascarpenter5536 you have a lot riding on your tires.

This video convimced me, im going to look for oem 33 years old tires for my e30

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

hahaha

Not sure how you ended up on my recommendations but I'm glad you did sir. The algorithm gods have indeed been kind. Subbed

Brilliant JB 👊🏻 SO many people bang on about waste of money etc. Great to see / hear 1st hand facts in this 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you approve :)

Fantastic tyre "nerdery", love it! ❤️🙏

@Puddingtops

3 жыл бұрын

Good to see tyre spelt correctly 👍

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I switch between both spellings for search :)

@Puddingtops

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrereviews 👍

@e92coupe76

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrereviews How to know OE tyre for VW?

Love this stuff. It would be really interesting to see the comparison between the standard, and other manufacturer specific PS4S (as K1, K2, MO,*). Recently fitted the K1 version, and they are pretty different, too...

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to do this but the data is hard to come by :)

@memememine1

3 жыл бұрын

I have some experience with the Cup 2 in Oe, M0, K1, K2 and N1 specs. The oe is the baseline cup 2 and the one every other one will be referencing. The test car I used was an Camaro SS 1LE. And these are just based off my feeling from driving on the road, autocross and track. Starting off the M0 for AMG, the sidewall is stiffer than oe, there is a smaller than oe spacing between the groves for improved wet performance, the compound is not as soft and tacky as the oe which for heavy cars like amg and the Camaro work great, the sidewall is slightly stiffer than an oe cup 2 as well due to needing to support fat heavy cars. The K1 and K2 are both Ferrari spec. The K1 is for the 458S and the k2 for the 488Pista and the different character from those cars show up in the tires. The K2 is far far more agreesive than the K1. The K1 is similar to the M0 in tread pattern with a sticker compound than M0 and softer side wall. But the K2 is like a cheater tire. It has probably half the tread grooves as the M0 and K1 with an absolutely massive outer shoulder. It has the softest compound that I tested and it actually produces noticably more dry grip than the others. Lastly the Porsche N1, has a super advanced and soft compound like the cheater K2 Ferrari tire but more designed for longevity. The tread pattern is more standard having more grooves than the K2 but still having a widended outer shoulder. It has a semi soft firm side wall compared to the oe and k1, allowing a little bit of flex bit still supporting the load well. I know it's not 4s but it's all I've tried. Keep in mind these are not facts from Michelin rather my feeling from the drivers seat. Hope this helps I've never seen this info anywhere else.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@memememine1 dude this is amazing data! It will probably get lost in the comments which is sad, could you put it up on the site? I can bump it to the top review so loads of people will see :) www.tyrereviews.com/submit.htm?match=Michelin-Pilot-Sport-Cup-2---Tyre-Reviews-and-Tests

@memememine1

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrereviews Sure thing sorry for the late reply.

I am an avid tyre learner but I am so humbled as I had NO idea that there was a difference between a tyre offered as OE or if you bought it aftermarket. Thanks for this knowledge

Wow..didn't knew OE tyres have such difference!! Nice information

Thank you! This was a question many of us have been wondering. I wish you had done this test with a 911.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully I can in the future :)

@RoderickVoordouw

3 жыл бұрын

I wondered as if this was the same with N-rated tires. Hopefully they get the chance. As always, the internet isn't satisfied with the great info Tyrtereviews already provided ;-)

Once again a fascinating and fine review. Very curious if you would ever consider testing the OEM versus the aftermarket Tesla Pilot Sport 4S. We suspect that not only is the tread measurably wider but the tire compounding has been jiggered with both on the outside tread and the crown. Would be fascinated to hear the results of that one!

@kdkd693

Жыл бұрын

In Australia, my model 3 oem tyre was the PS4. I changed out at 45000km (totally worn out all inside treads) to the newer non oem PS5. It seems noisier and less range now, so maybe the oem range has better rolling resistance? Not sure

@The4valanche

Жыл бұрын

@@kdkd693 wait, you get 45k miles out of a set of tires? I'm doing something wrong

@SeniorBillzy

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@The4valanche 45k KM or ~28k Miles

Very impressive! I always wondered if EO tires were really more appropriate. Thanks!

Fantastic information and job for someone precise and passionate like me and many others !! Thank you 🙏🏻

I learned something, good job!

Yes Michelin, please make this tire for my 370Z. Thanks Jon for highlighting the same deficiencies of the PS4S in this kind of car with spirited driving in the dry as I've noticed in my Z. By the time the tread wears down on my PS4S tires perhaps Michelin will have the PS5S out. I would rather not have to go to the Cup 2s, but I will if there isn't anything better in the PS 4 or 5 series. Otherwise I might start looking closely at what Bridgestone and Yokohama have to offer.

@uswee

2 жыл бұрын

Jim, as chance would have it. You are on the same path as myself. Have you found a better tire for the Z.

Nice one. Some unbiased clarity 👍

Huge kudos to your channel! This one turned me to a fan, going deep enough to get something out of the technical and follow up with practicality. Got a flat on my M5 CP (F90) and after botched self patch (the patch cut when trying to insert so I can't trust it) I need a replacement. My local tire shop does not have the * version, and BMW do not charge that much more, but realize now that swapping just one tire might be a bad idea, so I might get away with 1 new tire instead of 2 (or even 4 ...). Keep up the excellent work (profiling the topic and not yourself is such a relief instead of looking at people flexing (literally and figuratively). Have Cup2 (N1) on my 911 TS, and they are awesome (but only when it's 55F+, at 45F I have no traction), 4S (non-*) on my M3, and now my M3 feel less planted in a turn than my M5 (with *).

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I really love the F90!

I’d rather have excellent grip in the wet, most tyres are very capable in the dry. Track driving is a different ball game 😎

@mark340d8

3 жыл бұрын

Using the car especially when it rains ( with good weather I use the motorbike) , I'm very interested in the wet behaviour too, and I agree with you! Don't think I would trade a better wet behaviour for a better dry performance...

@BobK5

3 жыл бұрын

@@mark340d8 you’ve got it cracked, dry for motorbike, wet for car, perfect! 👍

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I understand that preference which is why it's great we have data and options :)

@petermoygannon698

2 жыл бұрын

I got bike and car . in wet I just drive slow .have fun in dry. id rather grip in dry . who drives fast in wet unless your racing.

@BobK5

2 жыл бұрын

@@petermoygannon698 the point is that most tyres are capable in the dry, some are stickier with shorter mileage available, but the main difference is wet weather performance, even if you’re driving slowly on your bike or car in the wet you will need on occasions to suddenly corner and brake and you’ll need grip. You wouldn’t want to do that with slicks on. You can drive perfectly well on road tyres in the dry that are below the legal limit and have dry grip. Wet weather performance on road tyres is more important than dry performance otherwise road tyres would all be slicks and pretty much just be differentiated by varying compounds.

Very interesting difference between the OEM and non-OEM versions, far more than I would have expected. While these specific tires are not useful to me (as I don't own a BMW M3), I'm always interested to see how these high performance tires perform which will be helpful when it comes time to replace the Continental Super Sports on my Civic Type R. One thing I'd love to see covered are some older car tire sizes. I need to replace the tires on my 97 Honda Accord which uses a now uncommon 185/65 R15 size and while I've always used Michelin tires on it (currently Primacy AS) I'm not needing to consider other brands for that size (when I look I only see Defender and X-Ice fitments from Michelin) or switching to a wider tire size that still fits on my 6" wide wheels and doesn't interfere with the suspension.

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

Those older sizes are tricky, adac sometimes do a 15" test

@mdev8846

Жыл бұрын

I recommend you Dunlop BluResponse for 185/65/R15 size.

This is very in-depth analysis of two “identical” tires, well not so much. The fact the the same tire when developed for an OEM has a ton more engineering involved to ensure the tire helps maximize the chassis, super video- thanks

I specked the PS4S “summer tyres” on my 718 Spyder, so looks like that was a wise choice. Great video, superb level of detail. 👏🏻

@randomhawks3232

3 жыл бұрын

Just took my 718 Spyder in today for a new set of PS4S to replace the factory Dunlop Race Max 2s. I was caught in a torrential downpour (blinding rain) on the way to the tire shop and was white knuckled in the Dunlops. Caught again in several more heavy downpours on the way home with the PS4Ss and the car handled significantly better. Long story short, you made a great choice - especially if you aren't frequently tracking it.

I can't believe the * on a tyre made so much difference. Its incredible when its still a ps4s tyre. Hopefully the ps5s gets the same treatment

Been waiting for this one for quite some time, excellent work!!! So does it make sense to put OE tyres on older models like F80 if the size can match?

@anthonypenaflor

3 жыл бұрын

I have them on my e92 M3. They work great

@Mark-js3gi

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonypenaflor Is it OE PSS or OE PS4S?

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I have a video on this on an M2, see pinned comment

@anthonypenaflor

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mark-js3gi OE PS4S in 275/35/19 made in late 2020. 255/35/19 non-OE in the front

Fantastic insight and knowledge. Keep it up!

Definitely learned something new today. Thats pretty cool

Really interesting video! However I think a comparison between the OE 4S and the 5S (when released) would make more sense as if I had a brand new M3 and I needed to replace the tyres in a year or 2 that's the more likely decision I'd need to make. Whilst it's clear OE tyres are better than their counterpart, the manufacturers tyre choice is a big factor too. For example, on our E60 M5 we replaced the OE Dunlop's with Pilot Sports and the transformation was incredible! Tbh I'd pick Pilot Sports over any OE tyre, unless they also happed to be PS's like on this M3!

@tyrereviews

2 жыл бұрын

I can't wait to test the 5S

@mohammeddmalik

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyrereviews looking forward to it!

Finally prove against people that say, no man that * mark doesn't matter 😂 YES thx!

Awesome review, your tire test and your feedback are on point👌

Answered all my questions I had about OE tyres. Thanks!

Love the content. What is the price point difference between the sets ?

@tyrereviews

3 жыл бұрын

I need to check, usually just a few % increase for the OE tyre

Would really be curious what the difference between the normal 4S vs the various N rated tires would be. I've got the normal 4S tires on my 996 and love them but it makes me wonder what a N rated version would do for the car.

Love your channel and videos. Always interesting and informative cheers

Fantastic review and level of detail. I really enjoyed watching to be honest! Thanks for taking the time to review and pass on your findings to us Petrol Heads :)

@tyrereviews

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks :D

Hey Jon great video as usual especially with my favourite tyre of all time. Granted an OE PS4S mated to the car is better than an off shelf PS4S. Problem is if the car manufacturer gives you a let sat suboptimal performance tyre (looking at you AMG with Dunlop tyres).

if only they made that 4S in a 17" size... sounds like my perfect tyre! Something between a standard 4S and a cup2

@TroyHR123

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The new UHP Bridgestone potenza sport is available in a huge range of sizes including 17", although from Tyre reviews TOYT, i got the impression it leans slightly closer to cup 2 than PS4.

@thomasfrederiksendk

3 жыл бұрын

They do a set of 17” 4S for the Honda e.

@TroyHR123

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasfrederiksendk Are they aftermarket? All material I have found suggest the Honda E with 17" wheels comes on the regular PS4. Apart from Evo (which is trusted, but I actually think is wrong in this instance).

@thomasfrederiksendk

3 жыл бұрын

@@TroyHR123 My papers say PS4S, but let me double check when my summer wheels go back on in two days. You may very well be right given the quality of the dealership documentation…

@thomasfrederiksendk

3 жыл бұрын

@@TroyHR123 You were right. The papers are wrong. It’s PS4. Par for the course for the local dealer, unfortunately.

Never too long of a video.. need more! Lol

Hell yeah!!! Awesome video as always!