THIS ALREADY MAKES PERFECT SENSE PEOPLE. I've prioritized performance lifts years before I did any MMA conditioning, and I had to pull back on that specific type of training. It does all sorts of extra stress on your knees in just a general sense. You can't calculate cumulative stress of a specific front kick takedown or how much stress it's going to do when it's done in hundreds of repetitions. You CAN do knees over toes training if you scale back MMA training or vice versa, but not both. Unless you're not a regular human with regular knees. 🤣

@chasingmypinnacle

Жыл бұрын

Based on what? Is this scientifically backed and peer reviewed? Are you a orthopedic physician?

@dope.dialectics

Жыл бұрын

@@chasingmypinnacle You don't need credentials to know you're not supposed to overwork your body. Peer review your own common sense. 🤣

@3ndoku5h

2 ай бұрын

@@dope.dialectics you'll lose your mind when you learn about timing...

Once upon a time.... I know a guy who did back squats with a rounded back for 6 weeks and believed it relieved his back pain. His reasoning was that when he wrestles his back is rounded so therefore rounding his lower back during his squat workouts will make him stronger in that position and on the mats. It will toughen his tissues he said. All that was true, but when I told him that it was redundant and that his tissues cannot last in this manner for long and that he should use structure (with proper form load is transferred on to the bones) and not the tissues. He wouldn't hear it. 6 years later into his system his back has 2 herniated disks. Can't wrestle no mo. the end.

@JCBPARISPARIS

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the story (btw surprised he can last 6 years like that)That's why athletes have to listen and ask opinion of competent people like (good) coaches or doctors instead of testing hazardous techniques on themselves.Sport medicine can also be a very good source of information.

@TonyqTNT

Жыл бұрын

Confused! Just saw a video saying not to round your back when doing squats then someone was demonstrating Chinese Kung Fu where the Master rounded his back slightly in the horse stance which he said gave him stronger rooting to the ground!!!

@dante6806

Жыл бұрын

"(with proper form load is transferred on to the bones)" Is this really true? I thought proper form is about putting load on the muscles, not the bones tendons etc.

@asengeorgiev7848

Жыл бұрын

@@dante6806 Proper form in what? In bodybuilding, maybe (I'm definitely not an expert, but I guess in something like biceps curls you are definitely loading it on the muscles). In martial arts, yes, you want to put the load in the bones.

@patconnelify

Жыл бұрын

Ptsd knee tsd.

Knees over toes program rocks

@khallil1997

29 күн бұрын

What do you do for training

Knees over toes training has objectively strengthened my knees and structure for martial arts training

@asharedo

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's unintentionally misleading information unfortunately. Positioning during rolling is of course very important though, as some positions put excess stress on soft tissues. The thing about multiple ACL tears is also false. Many professional athletes now compete WITHOUT an ACL.. But multiple significant knee injuries do lead to early onset arthritis and prevent you from competing.. It's just the ACL-specific discussion is not directly relevant to this.

@gamesthatmatter9374

10 ай бұрын

i am doing knee over toes for 2 weeks and my kness never felt stronger...

@ahmadawadallah5321

10 ай бұрын

I completely severed my right knee ACL in a skiing accident. I did not do surgery. I did Ben Patrick's ATG knees over toes training. I now cannot tell that I have no ACL in my right knee. ZERO pain and very stable. I now play basketball with no brace anymore.

Thank you for your insight here. My ACL was severed in a roll recently. I'm a 60 kg woman - seasoned white belt. I went to an open mat and was asked to roll by a bigger male - seasoned blue belt. I had already trained with a running club and my boxing club earlier that day so I asked for a light roll. I've had PTs with an Olympic wrestler to practice my wrestling hand fighting so when we started he couldn't get/hold a grip with his hands. However, my arm drag attempts etc were not strong enough to give me the entry I was looking for immediately. So he decided to hook my leg behind my knee and pulled it in so it was clamped between his knees. At this point I decided to just let him take me down and go to the next battle. I didn't know how to fight the position without pulling him to fall on top of me badly and I trusted him to know how to transition from there safely. He used his whole arm to scoop push me sideways over the trapped knee and didn't loosen his grip my knee. I fell but my knee couldn't follow my body. I got a severed ACL and fractured tibia from where the knee dislocated far enough for the femur to whack behind the top of the tibia. If I go back to BJJ strength training is going to be huge for me. I'll NEVER roll with bigger men again. I have learnt the hard way that it is NOT safe to end up in a position where I can't look after my own body because of the size / strength discrepancy.

@041882

2 ай бұрын

I am really so very sorry that you went through that this is horrible. I felt awful reading this. Can't even imagine what that was like. Wow that's awful. Did you have any lasting repercussions from this injury?

@KD400_

14 күн бұрын

Thats y women shouldn't be doing this.

Thank you so much for sharing this! Every practitioner needs to hear this.

Love your videos coach. Two things though I was hoping to see in your strong and stable knees series was a specific how to on warmup before conditioning or even training and the reps/sets for stability training (hamstring curls etc) if you have any advice on that, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Coach, the simple way you teach and explain is what make you a great coach! Oss

Firaz, you are wrong about this. I did kneesovertoesguys program and it did help me to recover and to bulletproof. I can do things now, which i couldn´t even do before my knees hurt.

@TheGrapplingMonkey

Жыл бұрын

btw. no kneeproblems now.

@WolfgangLizana

Жыл бұрын

100%

@CoachZahabi

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear your feeling better. Once upon a time.... I know a guy who did back squats with a rounded back for 6 weeks and believed it relieved his back pain. His reasoning was that when he wrestles his back is rounded so therefore rounding his lower back during his squat workouts will make him stronger in that position and on the mats. It will toughen his tissues he said. All that was true, but when I told him that it was redundant and that his tissues cannot last in this manner for long and that he should use structure (with proper form load is transferred on to the bones) and not the tissues. He wouldn't hear it. 6 years later into his system his back has 2 herniated disks. Can't wrestle no mo. the end. If you used my stability ball progression and worked your way up to standing on the ball, you would not only feel better but you would greatly improver your athletic ability at the same time. Still very happy to hear you feel better. I hope it continues.

@WolfgangLizana

Жыл бұрын

@@CoachZahabi Too bad herniated discs aren't actually a cause of back pain. This is actually reflected in the research. Not only do studies show over 65% of people have herniated discs WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING because they don't have symptoms, but also herniated discs tend to heal without any medical intervention whatsoever, but heal faster with resistance training. This is very common information in evidence-based exercise science communities and its unfortunate people aren't aware of it. Also, you don't actually have any way to identify the rounded back as the cause of his symptoms. 6 years is a long time. That hypothesis doesn't really stack up to the research, and beyond that, it's very possible that he may have been lift loads that were 90% and above, which actually is the primary contributor to injury REGARDLESS OF FORM. As you actually kind of illuded to in your video, but may not have recognized.

@CoachZahabi

Жыл бұрын

@@WolfgangLizana simply because herniated disc don't necessarily translate to back pain doesn't mean his back pain wasn't caused by his herniated disks. I have discussed this at length with Stuart Mcgill personally and Yes most definitely herniated disks can and often do lead to back pain. Would you recommend someone squat with a rounded back?? lol! of course you wouldn't, it structurally unsound. I understand going knees over toes is needed to a certain extent. We get too much of it already in our sport. It's simply redundant for us combat athletes. For someone who sits in a chair all day doing a little knees over toes might feel amazing. But for combat athletes it's overkill. Please feel free to come visit me. If you can do just half my weekly routine and still walk I will praise you and your methods on my channel. (serious about this invite)

Could you please make a video detailing a post training conditioning program we can follow? Jazak Allahu khayran!

Wrestling & Jiu-jitsu for 10/11 years & no knee injuries.

@leetaiming64

4 ай бұрын

How did you do it

One of the best things for my knees has been (1) knowing when to dial back training to let my body recover combined with (2) militant stretching of my hip flexors, hip rotators, hamstrings to create space. (3) kettlebell strength and conditioning to build up strength as a unit.

@MMAengineer

Жыл бұрын

one of the best things for my knees is stop rolling with morons and lowering the amount of rolls/week and squats

@Mr-ep2qi

Жыл бұрын

Squats help ???

This year its been the longest I been without training on a weekly basics . I'm glad I started weight training again with kettlebells and can't way to see the results . Sometimes we get complacent with just technique specially when your a higher belt and start to lack on conditioning . Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge 🤙

Ribs! Firaz can you please do a video on rob injury prevention. I have built lats and core but my ribs have gotten injured twice a year apart.... You're the best!

Thanks for sharing. I had no idea about the amputation bit. You really have to be careful with the people you roll with. I always start low with people I’ve never rolled with. “Don’t rely on the goodness of others”. Facts!

Hey coach, could you make a video about a strength conditioning routine for bjj ?

Tumbling was useful for me and i do conditioning because of military duty - pressure and fatigue while maintaining mental acuity and decision making good judgement

@Prof Zahabi - thanks for the video. Do you have a video of how you dropped to the knees to protect against kani basami? Is it almost like a sprawl, but straight to the knees?

I've trained for a decade now and, by the grace of God, not had any severe injuries. As I get older I can tell mobility of the hips and ankles will take discipline to maintain. To the extent rotational forces exceed my range of motion the force gets applied to joints that don't like to rotate.

thank you for the video very informative any tips for the wrists have small thin wrists and it hurts anytime I put strength or pressure any tips plz

This man is an absolute encylopedia. Everyone training martial arts should be listening to him. Conditioning should be a central tenet to any class/curriculum. It is impossible to invert or play guard safely without paying deep attention to your body mechanics.

Could you do a video of how neutralise the scissor sweep? 🙏🏼

So true about falling drills

thoughts on knee compression / pad sleeves while training bjj and mobility knee exercises to reduce inflammation and speed up recovery time

Please make a video showing the counter to the kani basami thanks

I always keep an eye on everyone rolling! Try to keep certain techniques limited like you said! I love doing 15 minutes of a entire body sled routine like 3 days a week after training.

@futbol1972

Жыл бұрын

What type of sled work do u do? I go-to jujitsu 3x a week at 6am and lift the same days at 7:30pm and on off days I like to do battle rope or airdyne bike. I have a very small rogue sled but don't use it. Don't know how to incorporated it in my trainning. I wanted to get the one with 3 wheels instead

Hey coach what exercices are in those 20min involved. Greetings from switzerland.

You opened my eyes EARLY to not do Knees Over Toes in combination with BJJ, and I think it saved me! A lot of my friends that did KOT movements / training have now ACL tears!! I do BJJ 3/week and never had anything! Collagen is awesome as a supplement, and I do full body barbell training twice a week 😅🙏

@gamesthatmatter9374

8 ай бұрын

i do KOTL for 2 years and BJJ 5 times per week . i havent torn my ACLs...

How many times a week would you recommend doing the strong and stable knees program? I’m currently doing 2x BJJ mon-friday. Thank you!

With that John Smith low single our wrestling coach taught us to drill by pushing our forehead to the inside of the knee and not directly on the kneecap so we don't cause serious injury in training.

would you show this defense of kani basami you talked about?

Can I get a copy of strong and stable knees? Torn MCL currently from dog fight BJJ

Words of wisdom…

Can I email you for an LCL injury from a heel hook. Willing to pay for consultation.

Firas is very knowledgeable in MMA/ Conditioning however, he doesn't have a Phd is exercise science. I think he is correct in the context of a full load of MMA training, but not so much for hobbyist or those who practice different sports. MMA is pretty different from most sports as you are working your body through ALL ranges of motion, so I can see where his point of too much work load comes from. I do think there is a place for specific knees of toes is very effective to prevent and recover from injuries.

Which video is he talking about caring for your knees?

I think we need to mobilize tissues of people who need it and stabilize tissues of people who are mobile. I couldn't do shots because my does didn't dorsiflex enough to have my knee travel to the mat. As i got more flexible ankles and toes, i could shoot. I see what firas is saying about adding even more of the motions that stress our joints, but i also believe in the kot method of strengthening these ranges. I think it comes down to what YOUR body needs to feel strong and flexible for grappling, and i would say having too much mobility can be a bad thing.

I just fractured my foot(2nd metatarsal) Fracture is not displaced. Any idea how long until I can get back on the mat? Thanks-

I have posted about the problems with these me injury several times on my own channel. I would love to chat with you about this problem. If you are ever interested. Wow I love mixed martial arts and jujitsu, this is a real and significant problem. I have several athletes whom I have perform surgery on and I acutely recognize the lifelong changes these injuries will induce.

where is the video? is it on youtube?

If i can give a tip after four bad injuries its to eat basic nutrition its helps me also a lot in the healing process.

I’ve been training bjj and wrestling from age 7 to 26 and never had a serious injury. Maybe my joints are more conditioned than most, but I feel as though most serious injuries I’ve seen is when someone is twisting/falling/rolling with one of their own limbs out of position. When I’m rolling I can feel my ankle/knee/leg/arm in a dangerous spot and I adjust to a safe position. I still roll the hardest in my gym, my coach has even joked about it. Just pay attention to where your own limbs are.

@Zack-lq9tb

Жыл бұрын

Starting so young and ripe is different though.

All correct

Do you know anyone with an Anaconda Fightwear knee brace? Any good?

Training hurts your body while weight training strengthens your body. Knees over toes in the weight room is very different and very beneficial

@mikey1717

4 ай бұрын

Is he not talking about only conditioning?

I'm pretty sure I go knees over toes whenever I squat and I have never had even slight knee pain. I run a lot, play soccer, and have done martial arts. HOWEVER, I am doing it with low weight or bodyweight. When I max the squat out I don't go as low

While rolling it felt like a muscle went across part of the patella. It felt like when you bang the funny bone (medial nerve through the elbow). I could then hardly straighten or bend knee. Now after 6 weeks, still sore when fully extended or flexed. So is it not good to do weight lifting to build stability right now so I can grapple in a few more weeks?

@bdavidson3426

Жыл бұрын

You don't need to roll, you need an MRI. Sounds like your patellar tendon might have a tear🤙

@rwdchannel2901

Жыл бұрын

Go to the doctor.

Wrestlers are fit, and they still get injured. Conditioning is important but most injuries happen because people are training like idiots. If your goal in training is to win you are probably burning at 100% and someone will eventually get hurt. Your goal in training is to get better. Stop acting like every round is an adcc final. Injury rates will drop significantly when you stop trying to max out every round. The high level athletes in most of the competitive gyms are injured at far greater rates than anyone else. You can watch their training videos on KZread and it is really easy to see why. More conditioning wouldn't help them. It certainly helps but nothing will save you from being a meat head or training with other meat heads.

I'm pretty confident that there's 10x amount of injuries in Jiu-Jitsu compared to other combat arts simply for the fact that majority BJJ schools don't do conditioning because the community pushes against it.

As someone who trained about 6 times a week hard from age 10 until 25 (running and swimming) and competed at world championship level I had virtually zero injuries throughout that time. After stopping that I took up BJJ as a hobby to keep active/fit and after only about 5 years of training 2-3 times a week I have had 2 hip surgeries and now looking at two knee surgeries (mensicus in each and also patellar tendon in one), all I feel attributable to BJJ. I have also done military service and had no issues there. I feel the extreme torquing and range of motion applied to the joints in BJJ is really pretty bad for you orthopedically. I can't see how someone can avoid surgeries if they train at it for the long term unless they are lucky genetically or happy to put up with injuries. I now feel there is a dark side to sport that really can cause people health issues long term as opposed to being only beneficially for aging. I've got parents in their 70s who I'm sure they wouldn't mind me saying are overweight and fairly inactive and have no joint issues beyond aging. Whereas I now mid 30s have multiple surgeries and looking at premature joint replacements potentially. I'll probably go back recreationally once I'm fixed and I'd love to get my black belt (currently blue) but I can't see myself rolling hard or competing to any great degree. Although I love it, I will never be a world champion and it was always meant as a hobby as I love sport so long term health is my priority now.

@albertwesker8883

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story. I've been a fan of MMA and BJJ for decades and stories like this are why I never got in to training the sport. It seems that catastrophic injuries are unavoidable in BJJ. My friend is a BJJ black belt and in his mid 30s he is in constant chronic pain and he can't even sit for 20 - 30 mins without his back causing him excruciating pain. He also can't do simple exercises like bicep curls due to getting his arm cranked and torqued so much. Of course he is a badass but the price was a life of chronic pain. Who can afford to pay for multiple surgeries and take time off from work? Especially people who work with their hands. Everytime I get the itch to start training, I read some story online of someone needing multiple surgeries and I just stick with boxing.

@jackyacar4696

Жыл бұрын

@@albertwesker8883 why avoid training bjj? If you train once or twice a week sensibly and intelligently theres a verrry verry small risk you get badly injured expecially to the extent in your comment! I have had my arm crank on pretty bad when i started and it tought me to tap earlier and to realise when a position isnt worth fighting out of. It can be done safely especially if you arent training twice a day 7 days a week! I dont see boxing being any safer coming from a guy that trains muay thai and bjj

@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252

Жыл бұрын

@@jackyacar4696 I suppose that in boxing you know how you are going to be hurt or not and what exactly to look out for. The mouth guard protects your teeth but it won't prevent brain damage from hard sparring or competition. I used to think BJJ was the safest martial art that actually works in self-defense but I'm starting to think that boxing may be the best option all things considered. Of course then there's taekwondo and the like that are good but there is almost never any real contact. I'm scared to death of brain damage and for that reason would probably never compete but I think that you can get a lot of practical boxing skill from drills and light sparring. The punches in the body don't really do any damage long term as far as I know. Judo is also cool but throwing or getting thrown is incredibly chaotic; you could blow out your knee in a second from having your leg entangled the wrong way, rip your shoulder, torque your back the wrong way leading to herniation, fall on your head etc.

@rajahferrier7475

Жыл бұрын

I went down to my local gym yesterday and grabbed a pamphlet. They do boxing and jujitsu. After a bit of research, and now going down the injurys rabbit hole (with 100s of comments about blown knees, ribs, ankles, long recoveries and rolling with people who hurt you). It's pretty obvious that jujitsu is way more dangerous than boxing IMO. As a 38 year old who relies on his body to make his money, I really have to weigh up whether jujitsu is worth it. I wonder if this is also why so many people don't leave white belt.

@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252

Жыл бұрын

@@rajahferrier7475 wow bro I am tunnin 38 in April and have considered jujutsu. Thanks for sharing.

Man i hope that cook gets better

Knees over toes guy will help. I think his name is Ben Patrick. Build strength in vulnerability positions will help prevent injury.

I think many people just dont understand how legs/knees work and dont work.

”GSP was doing backflips with inward knees”-Firas Zihabi

What does he mean by knees over toes? Is it about this YT guy or is it a specific exercise or what?

The reason being is that people are operating under the assumption that the earth is round, which leads to asymmetrical positions; instead, people should move in accordance with the reality of the earth being flat; this will result in fewer knee injuries.

@eyekey346

Жыл бұрын

This is something I can agree with

@Enigma_Vids

Жыл бұрын

Right on

@adhdmed

Жыл бұрын

😆

@thefreedomproject4777

Жыл бұрын

Good 10th planet philosophy 👌.

@Enigma_Vids

Жыл бұрын

@@thefreedomproject4777 look into it

After listening to this I don't want to train at all cause I am never gonna find other instructor with same mindset so if I continue, It's just matter of time when I am gonna end training bjj, I am done overthinking this

Coach, I'd injured my knee because a sparring partner made a sweep and he hit my knee instead of my ankle. We were sparring and kickboxing.

If I notice I'm about to get hurt, I stop the match or tap, I'd rather tap or stop the match so I don't get hurt. I already tore me ACL and MCL twice on both my legs and I never got surgery, I healed my knees by kicking my legs in the pool for about 8 months

Torn mine. Was out a whole year...

This is not the fault of Ben Patrick (Knee Over Toes Guy), but because I was training Jiu-Jitsu 4-5 times a week and trying his program (even just weight free- the Zero Program as described in his book), I think it was just too much. I have a meniscus tear in both knees now. I should have listened to my body more, and adjusted his routine for the BJJ training. Train hard, but train smart.

@CoachZahabi

Жыл бұрын

Hey Mat sorry to hear about your knees. Pleas email me at tristargymcanada@gmail.com Ill send you a copy of SSKnees4Life. I also have meniscus parts in both my knees but I have zero pain and full functionality. I did surgery on one knee 10 years ago and no surgery on the second knee. I just rehabbed and the results were the same.

@Mattchew2232

Жыл бұрын

@@CoachZahabi Firas, you made my day. Thank you for hope and your generosity! Incredibly grateful. I will email you shortly.

@MVProfits

Жыл бұрын

How would you adjust his routine for BJJ training? Except overtraining, or rolling hard when muscles are sore, IMO he actually shows how his type training strengthen the knees, not the opposite.

@Mattchew2232

Жыл бұрын

@@MVProfits Going forward, I'd do much less of it if I'm actively rolling. I'm also going to focus on Firas' program first that has MMA training in mind. I'm not actually criticizing Ben's program. I think I misapplied it.

@MVProfits

Жыл бұрын

@@Mattchew2232 Ok thanks, I get what you say. I also get Firas' point that in grappling we use a lot of these moves already. So Ben's stuff might not be best for those who do lots of grappling. But for most others, it is.

Can you please define what you mean by high high reps coach?

@CoachZahabi

Жыл бұрын

anything above 70% of your capability would be how I define high reps.

@seankovarik4444

Жыл бұрын

@@CoachZahabi awesome thanks coach

I don't know what he means by the guy getting his knee amputated if he gets one more ACL tear. Is he meaning a knee arthroplasty? Never heard of an amputation due to an ACL tear. I think it was an accidental misuse of the word. When you tear the ACL you can likely damage the cartilage in the knee which will result in a higher chance of requiring an arthroplasty in the future or re-surfacing which is becoming more available. They may not be able to repair a ligament but they can replace the ligament as well with a part of you muscle or tendon or even a cadaver. Anyway for anyone reading I don't think he meant actually amputating the knee but maybe an arthroplasty (joint replacement). Which I guess in a way is amputation just not usually phrased that way.

"no knees over toes" has been refuted by actual exercise physiologists. Experts. Its more damaging on your knee joint to not squat to depth because the change of direction is entirely dependent on the knee joint, creating significant strain on those hard tissues at a point where the hips have not yet fully engaged in a squat to share the load. In a moment, you are delivering the whole weight not just of the bar, but added weight against inertia of the eccentric drop. "Impact." Conversely, further depth more fully disburses the moment of change through the hips, as the hip hinge is more fully engaged into depth. Yes, the knees are in a deeper angle at depth, but its actually about the ratio of angle between the two to determine the load on that joint. At depth, the knees are proportionately carrying less weight because the hips are sharing the lever physics of it. Its literally the pulley experiment from grade school science. Further, soft tissue injury is the convergence of two variables: 1) weakness 2) in a stretch angle.. if a muscle or tendon is strong in stretch, but stretched to limit, it might make it. Or flexible, albeit weak, could make it. If neither, it will tear.. the combination of the two--strength in stretch--is the nexus of injury prevention.. that said, partial squats to arbitrarily avoid "knees over toes" artificially strengthens upper range quads and knee structure without development at the bottom range, invites a quad or acl tear when the joint is suddenly compromised in a load (sudden force in jiu jitsu) and range it is not adapted to. Your notion that youre doing damage in a vacuum without these very same structures making accomodating adaptations is just not true. If it were, powerlifters everywhere would have the worst knees in the world, and they factually dont. Maybe back issues, but thats its own topic owing to years of bad lifting form, not the merit of training range itself. What may need help is someone lifting with good, form, but thats where a swuat coach comes in, not altogether avoiding range of motion. All of that isnt to say that some experts may have different ideas.. but many experts disagree.

Jumping guard… blew my knee out.

*TLDR: If you do both BJJ/MMA training and Knee Over Toes and you injure your knees, it was the BJJ which injured you. The KOT training probably even delayed the injury* In reality if you're training MMA like 5x a week you will probably get a decently serious joint injury, or at least over use them to the point of chronic pain. The human body can't really do that much intensive and repetitive motion without paying a cost The healthy way is to train KOT until you have healthy joints, and then maintain them with the minimum required training sessions per week, then you add BJJ/MMA sessions and you stop when adding them when they start to negatively affect your KOT maintenance. For most people this will be much more like 2x or 3x a week not 5. But because people are passionate and don't want to do that they trade in body maintenance/tissue maintenance training for more BJJ/MMA and get injured eventually I disagree with Firas for those reasons but I understand why he said it, because a professional fighter can't afford to reduce training sessions so he is gambling with his body. Essentially he's trying to make as much money as possible so he can retire before the inevitable catastrophic injury occurs. But if you're just a casual (like me) then prioritise KOT type tissue maintenance and only do as many BJJ/MMA sessions as is healthy

You guys, my gym was doing back control rounds, but for some reason my coach wanted to start in back mount and some dumbass white belt fell backwards with the hooks in and my knees are gone

i am doing BJJ 5 times per week and Knees over toes since 2 weeks. my knees never felt stronger . i am 42 btw

the gi vs. no gi efficacy argument boils down to ecological validity.. Oss

Could you consider getting Ben Patrick on a podcast with you? I'd love to hear both sides discuss this topic. I think there's likely truth from both your perspectives and would be good to see what sort of conclusions you could come to together.

I am old but if I have an advice to young people there is to really care about the advices of this video. Plus same kind of advices for shoulders. Your body will thanks you later.

It's crazy how such a high caliber athletic coach can have such a complete lack of understanding of the SAID Principal. Talking about avoiding load with knees over toes to "avoid injury"... Even though a minute before he literally stated lack of strength and fatigue are two primary causes of injury... Bro, getting strong using weighted movements in the knees over toes position BUILDS strength in the connective tissue and adapts the knees to be able to tolerate more stress in that position to prevent the risk of injury. Research actually supports this. And it's also a major aim of rehabbing knee injuries as well. This cognitive dissonance is strange

@terreneofficial

Жыл бұрын

Most cognitive dissonance is strange my friend. This is entirely out of my expertise. I appreciate you passing down the information 👊🏻 maybe I can get these knees working semi functionally again

@Trekz86

Жыл бұрын

Sssshhh and listen to coach please 😁

@WolfgangLizana

Жыл бұрын

@@Trekz86 It's not helpful to simply believe someone's opinion without critically reflecting on their logic, and asking questions, hopefully for deeper clarification or maybe mutual understanding. Especially if the person's opinion may actually be harmful.

@CoachZahabi

Жыл бұрын

What's sad is you have completely missed the point. We already get plenty of KOT action in our sport, no need to add more during our conditioning under load. We need to learn to torque from the hips and not knees. This is maybe too much for you to understand. you cannot compare BJJ/wrestling/MMA to Basketball lol. We are far more resilient.

@Luca-tw9fk

Жыл бұрын

Big man watches one KOT guy video

They're not learning the stuff that works in all circumstances because they would rather tinker around with new things people aren't good at defending yet. This will give them a temporary advantage in tournaments. The old stuff that works in all circumstances is hard to use in BJJ tournaments because to make it work you have to be really good at it. Why drill an arm drag 10,000 times when you can drill a fancy guard 1,000 times and get better results in a BJJ tournament? The competitive aspect is what keeps BJJ at least somewhat applicable, but unless they change the ruleset around guard pulling and being on bottom we are going to be stuck in this sport-centric style.

My names Jacob and a guy also blew out my knee when jumping on my leg

This is why I stopped doing BJJ I was getting sore and injured too often. I went back to boxing which is the less injury prone sport besides the brain damage but i don’t care

@emZee1994

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Ironic cos for me kickboxing was giving me too many knee injuries, but No-Gi BJJ never injruies me. Goes to show how different body builds tolerate different stresses better than others

@CrackerBarrelkid555

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@@emZee1994 well there’s a difference between boxing and kickboxing. And grappling has always been known as a more injury prone sport compared to straight up fighting.

@guymontag5084

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@@CrackerBarrelkid555 Have you checked out other bjj gyms? You could probably go lighter on the force and focus more on technique like how people spar in striking disciplines.

This is great advice for many people. But bad advice for many others. BJJ has grown to be many things to many people. Jiu jiteroes: follow your own path, apply advice that suits your life. Of course, the advice to have stronger knees is sensible for everyone

I agree with most things he said but knees over toes excercises has been proved to protect and strength knees, sadly someone with this huge audience lacks knowledge on something so simple like this

@LinkedTech

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He said not to do it because in MMA training, we already do a lot of knees over toes exercises.

@CoachZahabi

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please refer me to this "proof"?? I would love link to a study.

@SS3213gsdf

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@@CoachZahabi Look up "kneesovertoes" on youtube.

@ctoss1229

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@@SS3213gsdf you don't get it. "proved to protect and strength[en[" was the statement. Where is the peer reviewed study that demonstrates this? Is there more than one study? Anecdotal evidence, doesn't mean squat (pun intended).

@emmanuelplacencio139

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​@@SS3213gsdfyea it's peer reviewed

Had someone pulled the mermaid on my knee's smh. Thanks bro. If you are on your back don't close guard heavily on peoples knees. Im pretty sure the mermaid technique is from the lower calf area, not a big fan of the move either way.

I think you are wrong about this Firas. The KOT position is only dodgy if you don’t have the mobility. You can’t be shooting double legs or knee cutting without going KOT - that’s why you need to work the mobility so you can actually get into that position without your sh*t snapping.

Salamaleykum Coach can u please make a video of importance of foot shaped shoes, I se so many fighters waisting their time on recovering from unessesairy injuries. Even more important, Many of us cant even pray to our ALLAH correctly because we lack mobility/flexibility on our right side big toe. Narrow toe box shoes is just a stupid fashion statement that will increase the risk of bunion, we must trust in the Sunnah, my mission is to preach ISLAM, martial arts and Barefoot shoes. Great content as always coach!

I have a friend that does bicycle work for his knees.

Gentle Art my Ass!I got my elbow blown the 3rd day of training from a female purple belt who was the champ! I managed to take her down with single leg form my 7 month MMA experience some 7 years prior which I stopped as well due to partial meniscus tear from an ankle yank, basically The whole time there I had to take it easy. 5-7 years later I try BJJ and get my Elbow blown from, her. She didn’t hear my taps prior , and the tension was so intense I attempted to stand a bit from one knee, it then cracked several times loudly. I then tapped in agony and said take it easy. She just looked at me and the professor said I will have to learn the hardway, and that was all, never a are you ok or nothing. 2 weeks later I approach her and ask why she didn’t let go to my taps she said he was right there meaning the professor, all she did was deny and refuse, he said she is a savage and that’s it! I tried to go lightly and the professor was a cool guy and 30 year’s experience teaching but that comment was very much rude, just blame the new guys, instead of the experienced one taking some responsibility! I told my story to another coach the next day who was cool and liked him but at first the said yup she is the champ, and the next day he was more in tune with my injury. My 3rd week, me an a student who legs where huge where drilling something that wrapped the thighs around face and we couldn’t get it correct, and was told to keep trying full force, I obtained TMJ, couldn’t eat for a few weeks, I told the professor via text why I was out for two weeks and he said that’s Ji jitsu, don’t seem to care except a fellow student at the time of my elbow injury! I cancelled my contract 2 months in. The time I was there she never acknowledged my injury, I hear from a coach that weeks after me she blew someone else elbow and they had to stop, the complained she cranks too hard! I should of stuck ti my instincts and true trials or go with boxing. I am 42 now this was in fall of 2001, I saw an orthopedic 7 months after injury and found out I now have osteoarthritis which was likely caused by post traumatic injury of my elbow, I probably suffered a fracture, I couldn’t straighten my arms for months. I still wanted to go back, but am done, and started boxing again which to me is better, less you take it professionally then it has its injuries too, but I will maybe do couple amateur fights down the road and that’s about it! During my MMA experience at the time of belt testing, one had to perform I take a take down, I took the guy down and in the process he blew his ACL, and he was out. Too many severe injuries, what’s the point of learning it to only be sidelined or crippled to defend yourself

Hi. I train BJJ and MMA, but I'm also seeking for the orrect spiritual path. Will you please tell me how I can get accurate information about Islam? Are you Sunni?

@darlim6886

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Please, see Prince Christian about islam.

@jasonhoyt8232

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@@darlim6886 I live in Phoenix. Can you please recommend someone near me? I want to know more about Sunni Islam. Thanks.

@darlim6886

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@@jasonhoyt8232 Bro, see channels: Christian Prince. The best teacher of islam. Christianity&islam debates, Arabian Prophet. Don't waste your time like me many years ago. Greetings from Europe.

had knee pain for over 10 years teared both acl's tried everything.. nothing worked.. until i tried kneesovertoe's guy method.. knees feel better then ever. just fllow the program and learn from his method it's nothing new just logical

kani basami is illegal in judo for a reason

Very funny you need above average ankle mobility in order to do anything knee over toes. That said look at olympicweightlifters knee over toes is bad is the biggest bro idea haha everybody that has ankle mobility and can squat and pull very straight knows it's no problem

"I don't believe in knees over toes" - I instantly started hearing final scene music.

@MrLecho96

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I agree, if knees over toe would be bad weighlifters would be crippled at age 30. They are doing 2x or 3x a day traing that is basicly repetetive knees over toes heavy lifts.

when you talked about strengthening to avoid injuries I assumed knees over toes.. You will not get strong in compromised/lengthened positions if you don't exercise them.. "inflammation in the joint" do you even know what you're talking about? People don't tear their ACL squatting, they tear it because sombody sits on their knee after a horribly executed takedown.. You talk about placing the load on the bones.. Well what bones are supposed to absorb the valgus force of someone sitting on your knee and tearing it apart? Nothing. First it's muscle, when the muscle is stretched it gets weak, if it's too weak then ligaments have to resist, and they easily go pop..

Coach, your program is very expensive for athletes from developing economies.

All Bjj Gyms should have soft Foam Matts,,should be compulsery,,,,most have Rock hard matts,,,dosnt make sense,,all the guys have knee injuries

Kot is stupid, its literally posture, some have horrible flexed rounded, some think they have good posture but they are just forcing themselves into extension, without good manageable posture your body will be all messed up when you move.

I’m sorry dude, but I gotta disagree with the idea of bjj coaches having to include conditioning in a bjj class. People don’t pay to run in circles or do squats. They pay to learn bjj. If you feel like you want to do all that yourself, you can do that in your own time. Otherwise let’s stick to what we actually pay the coaches to teach us.

@mistersonnen848

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One of my gyms almost all of us came to BJJ from previous wresteling class, then the coach would get us to to warm up for like 30 minutes because he himself needed to, teach 1 technique for 10 minutes and then get us to roll. It was ridiculous

@MVProfits

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I agree that while doing conditioning is a must for all, we don't go to a "skill class" to do so. It depends also on the type of class, length and frequency. For the one hour 2-3 times a week class, nope.

@TheSteakSammich

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My guess is that Firas believes that you cannot really decouple conditioning from BJJ. Practicing BJJ without said conditioning is not what he would consider "Jiu Jitsu", but rather some other thing that poorly imitates it. Personally, I'm indifferent (I do Sambo and occasionally compete in Jiu Jitsu), though it would be odd to have a class with no conditioning component.

FALSE--knees over toes training strengthens the connective tissues in the knees when done correctly by pumping synovial fluid through the joint. The ACTUAL lesson here is knowing when you are prone to injury i.e. when you're fatigued, when you don't know what jitsu moves will hurt your knees, & not know what to do to protect your knees when someone uses those jitsu moves on you.

brother please dont use phrases like its a sin when its not. I know what you were trying to point across but please dont use that terminology as it is inappropriate.

jiujitsu people??? That's actually worse than both jiujitsokas and jiujitsu players

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Coach I bought couple of your videos , back and knee! I suffer from crunchy right knee I picked up a year ago, i cant get rid of it! Can you please help! I’ve spent money all over place and no one can help! Love your videos btw. Salam

@CoachZahabi

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have you worked the stability ball progressions and lunge matrix from strong and stable knees??? How far did you get. Please see the included pdf for reps and sets scheme. also do you have pain with the crunch or is just a crunch??

@toxicego972

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@@CoachZahabi thanks for the reply, i tried the exercises for 2 weeks and wht was just a crunchy knee is now a slightly irritated crunchy knee. should i carry on and work through it until it feels better?i have slight siatica also which your programme helped massively and im feeling a lot better. the crunchy knee however got worse after the exercises! any advice would be appreciated.

@toxicego972

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the crunchy knee is a few years old and in one knee, not painful but the crunchy noise got worse over time. no one has helped me more than you with the back and knee programme. physios, chiro, osteopath, acupuncture, you name it i tried them all

Do you have any instructional or video on how to protect against people jumping into your knees? The only information provided is "DON'T JUMP INTO PEOPLE'S KNEES!" Alright, got it, now how do I protect myself from injury if an asshole decides to do it on me instead? Would love a video approaching Kani-Basami protection, guys who jump Closed Guard into your knees protection, stuff like these I don't see it really covered

I mean idk I think Olympic weightlifters would disagree with you on the knees over toes thing

Ben Patrick dislikes the shit out of this video 😅