Terry, I think not saying anything is a missed opportunity for this guy to realise the impacts his habits have on others. It obviously rattled you into a faster approach so it is a safety issue. A chat doesn't need to be aggressive if you make it about yourself rather than blaming him. A simple "Hey mate, I got really rattled when I didn't hear any calls from you and didn't know where you were." It may well jog him into less complacent flying.

@sarahcolliver7650

Жыл бұрын

I agree, and it’s about learning not beating up.

@garynelson3779

Жыл бұрын

likewise I agree - you talking to him may save an incident in the future

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

I don't know Mark, I'm a lover not a fighter 🙂

@sarahcolliver7650

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField but you’re not fighting you are chatting about an experience! It only has to be a fight if we make it one. And the majority of us don’t want one. I suspect he is a lover (of life) too. This is a friendly chat with a fellow pilot and you might make a friend in the process. I’ve had to have lots of these type of chats (as instructor) and most of us just want to learn and can’t believe we made that kind of mistake and are glad someone mentioned it without the fire. 😊

@markstephens7236

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField OK, fair enough. Thanks for the videos Terry, I really enjoy the everyday flying nature of them. I envy your availability of small country strips everywhere, we don't have that in Australia. Mind you I don't envy your weather.🙂

Don't be afraid to call out a guy in the pattern if you don't know what he's doing, also it's nice to be able to listen to more than one freq in situations like this. Knowing he was inbound for the same airport, you would have been wise to call up while still on terminal freq and share your location and type BEFORE swithcing to the MF at the destination, and avoided the whole situation. I have never heard of anyone objecting to air-to-air radio coms in controlled airspace if it means better situational awareness for the pilots.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Great point Bill, didn't really think of that.

A very forgiving & balanced view of the other pilot Terry, I’m impressed 😉

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍 Geoff, no point in getting annoyed, after all, "he without sin" and all that :-)

@FlyingDarkLord

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField You are a good man sir 😊👍🏼

This is an excellent example from you Terry of how safety comes first. Been flying since 1974 and can't agree more with your comments. Also couldn't agree more with the comments from @billbrisson" to call up terminal freq and share your location and type BEFORE switching to the MF at the destination". Sometimes it's wise to also check your squelch and notice your level of volume so it's high enough to read other stations if you have not been able to check the radio before and during the flight or if you by mistake have turned down the volume knob. To improve safety in the pattern I have installed new recognition lamps in each wingtip with Wig Wag function (50 000 Candela each) and new strobes and one strobe even in the tail. I really want others to be able to see me since I'm flying a fast Glasair II. But giving announcements on the radio in the pattern is absolutely the most important part for everyone.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Sven and superb comment sir. 👍👍👍

I for one get very edgy if there is another aircraft near me that I’m not 100% certain knows where I am! This was a great real world scenario to bring attention to for sure. Well done Terry.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Nick👍

The amount of times I've said similar... why oh why is that person not talking..... irritating at best and dangerous at worst. You are far more forgiving that myself, well done that man.

This really highlights the importance of communication in the air. Very interesting to see that aircraft not making calls can be a stressor.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

It happens Mark if he had made one call in the circuit I would have known he was listening, it was a stunning aircraft though 🙂

I had a similar situation (but with good communication) when I was in the circuit behind a slower C42 microlight in my faster RV-7. I just slowed right down and extended my downwind leg. The C42 was doing a touch and go, and I landed behind. Good comms made everything safe.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Matt that's why we all need to talk. Great example of good airmanship sir.

sounded like he had a mouthful of marbles. Ya. don't be shy you shoulda said hey , admired his plane, and asked him if he was surprised by your presence on final. You might have made a new friend.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

That wasn't his real voice 🤣🤣🤣🤣

It’s happened to me a few times and actually made me wonder if I was flying my approach right or had missed anything. Turns out most times, the silent traffic sees no point transmitting as they feel they know where you are, what you’re doing in addition to what they themselves are are doing! Point well made and great video as I think it’s an ethical practice in uncontrolled airspace Pilots everywhere should adopt. There will always be a C in the A.N.C. mnemonic and if it does not represent’Communicate’, it can become ‘Catastrophe’ pretty quickly. Great job Terry👍🏼

@petersatchwell1910

Жыл бұрын

Good comment

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Like driving, learning to anticipate and adapt to other pilots errors is all part of good airmanship Dollar, this situation happens a lot and we just brush it off, but it is important to show how a simple mis-tune can cause serious stress to others and potentially an accident. Your support and fantastic comments are always appreciated buddy.

@flyingmissionary

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField promise me one thing: You’ll buy me a drink when you hit 1M views…soon! 🤩🎉 Appreciate you buddy!

Hey Terry - thanks for another great video! I probably would have had a word, but understand your discretion. TBH,flying into an uncontrolled airfield requires all of us to be even more alert as there may well be pilots there who are not skilled in R/T techniques or not confident. So I always make sure to prepare for the approach and checkout any local traffic and make good calls.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Vince, we have discussed this and even if the other guy heard my calls and knew exactly where I was because he wasn't talking, I didn't know that. Cheers buddy.

That was me this weekend at Stellenbosch Cape Town. I was established on final in a twin and some idiot cut me up in his c210 right in front of me from right base. He was broadcasting, but I assume he had his in-ear volume turned all the way down - usually done when having a chat with pax. I had to lower my nose to try spot him. Proper tool.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

It's not just a UK thing then Vusa, yes actually could have been radio turned right down. Thanks sir.

One fried died due to both his and another pilot's intentional decisions to not announce positions in the pattern. Both thought they were alone in the pattern. Both were wrong. Both are dead. ALWAYS use your radio to listen to the field's frequency and ALWAYS announce your position! Given their wing positions and approach geometries, neither one could see the other. They COULD have heard one another over unicom, but both had arrived at the same fatal conclusion they were alone and both made the same fatal decision to not announce their position on the radio. As you mentioned, it's a good idea to acknowledge the other pilot at least once to let them known you have eyes on. "He didn't do anything wrong." Uh... Failure to follow best known practices is wrong.

@ArnoldAaron

11 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear about this very sad episode. Do you have the AAIB repot into this accident? - It would be very useful to read.

Terry another great video. This style is just great for not feeling anything other than you are watching a bloke enjoying his flying, and telling us how he gets on with it. We can all learn from your approach. I probably would have said something to the pilot, at least as to why he had not acknowledged he had seen or heard me.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Pete at least I didn't make the error this time :-)

Really enjoy your videos Terry. I'm currently learning at North Weald, sure I saw you taxiing / taking off yesterday.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Good one Greg come over and say 'Hi'.

I am a solo student pilot and that would have really put me off!! Even when I do everything correctly, I'm worried I have missed something and caused bother. I would have said something to him though and played it as if your concerned for your radio ' I was on frequency and making call outs in the circuit, could you hear me?... If not, I best get a radio check when flying home bound... or something to that effect.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with the training. That's great advice I should have done that, thanks.

Good video. Been there. Guy was taking his PPL check ride. The Guy must have been tuned to the airfield. If he was still tuned to the LARS and was making blind calls they would have told him so. I think my action would have been to go for height and get out of the area in the direction of the landing runway. Let the Idiot land and come in after. Great the way you handled it though.

Great video as always Terry. I agree it sounded like a missed tuned radio. However, well done on keeping your call. I don't think I would have said anything either, through fear of coming over confrontational. However I think it would have been the right thing to do. If only he'd acknowledged you with contact ahead it would have put you at rest. Keep up the great work 👍🏽

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

He was really big, did you hear his voice Michael :-) No you are right I should have brought him a coffee and had a chat, he did have a fantastic aircraft after all.

great video Terry!

Great video as always Terry 👌👏👏👏 You couldn’t do any more than you did and it is worrying when you know someone is behind and higher than you coming onto final. The fact that he went around but didn’t say anything to you on the ground would suggest he had a problem, either with his radio or late radio setting… as you suggested. Otherwise surely he would have slowed down 🤷‍♂️ (I’ll be off flying this week so I’ll take a picture of the card you kindly sent me, in situ. Haven’t had chance to do it yet, mate) 👍

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Kev I'm not sure he was the type of guy who would accept being questioned, hopefully he might see this video. Thank you as always.

Doing a week long radiotelephony course next week and 3 hour exam on Sat. Probably overkill but figured might as well be super proficient.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Never have too much training Martin.

Thanks for your great videos ! There is a lesson for all of us here !

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. 👍

I think you showed excellent airmanship there Terry and love the fact you have not been critical of the other pilot. I can also undertstand how stressfull this must have been as well. I'll be doing my most challenging flight to date to Blackbushe on Monday (weather permtting) but I'm flying with an ATCO just to give me some help with the radio and airspace. Great video as always and if you ever want a telemetrics overlay for one of your videos, email me your gpx file from your Sky Echo 2 mate. 👍

That's exactly how accidents happen. Anyway, you should get one of those ADS-B receivers for your phone/tablet. Those help a lot in getting a good picture of what's around.

Nice video Terry, thanks for shring. I would have definitely had a chat with the guy, not as a rant, but as a safety issue whereby everyone can learn. Years ago when I was doing my hour building in Florida, I had a similar experience where I was making blind position calls and as I turned base to final another dude cut infront of me about 5-10 meters away, terrifying! Long story short I too didn't say anything to him on the ground, but thinking back, I wish that I had. Cheers

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Great story Pete, I wish I was more assertive.

Hello Terry! Thanks for sharing. I suggest to put the ziptie on your right, top one and on the left, bottom one, mains over the metallic clamp an not over the brake line. 😊

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Carlos, I'll check that out.

Looks lovely flying there. I fly a light sport in Western North Carolina. Lots of high terrain and associated turbulence. Thanks for the video.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Bill, wish we had the GA infrastructure you have in the US though sir.

The problem is that, because of a strange accommodation of historic planes or cheap pilots, it's still O.K. not to make calls, not to have ADSB out, etc. Not that finally mandating it for everyone who wants to fly (batteries exist) would fix everything. But at least it would be clear that you have to be on frequency with a working radio and have to make calls in the pattern. With calls it can be as scary. My wife was approaching an ATZ (RMZ, TMZ, arrival and departure routes) on the arrival route and a departing plane turned back to face the departure runway in the opposite direction. The Tower asked if he is declaring an emergency but he said no and mumbled something about returning to the field for safety and then continuing the flight plan, which obviously is not a thing. After dangerously flying around outside the pattern and departure route he just left and continued for a 2 hour flight into an airport in the alps. Without returning to the field but heading directly at landing traffic for a while. The wife decided to go around. Incompetent radio work, or none at all, are very clearly a danger to us all up there.

I totally agree with Terry, its our duty as aviators to engage with other pilots when we have concerns that may have inpacted our safety. I respectively sugest that you should have diplomatically expressed your concerns about his non radio in the circuit and see what the problem was. In saying the above i respect your candor in your videos and hopefully you will continue in the same vane.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Pete, it happens just wanted to show how stressful such a simple miss can be to others.

It’s really stressful when there’s another “somewhere” but you don’t know where. People joining downwind when you’re doing an overhead join, or blasting straight in on long finals. Easier to say than do, but sometimes breaking off your circuit, flying away and coming back a few minutes later is worth doing. Of course in the heat of the moment we don’t think about that. Stow Maries is on my list to fly to, but unfortunately planning restrictions limit them to single engined 3 axis aircraft. When I called for ppr one time they were very apologetic about it and said that they couldn’t even have a glider land there😢 let alone a flexwing or gyro.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Geoffrey you are right it is unfortunately a too familiar situation at uncontrolled airfields in the UK. They are quite particular at Stow Maries took me a while to get permission to visit.

Love forgiving grass runways as the wheels can slip and skid as necessary for smooth landing.

Education to all, is all you can do...I bet Darley Moor must have been novel as not many use the radio anyway. Lovely balanced view and helpful video Terry.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Giles, I always announce my positions as you do.

@GolfFoxtrot22

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField I thought of this video only yesterday. We were teaching at a large circuit with legal but poor hazy visibility, just calling our position with 2 aircraft in the circuit just gives good situational awareness for both pilots to make decisions.

Nice one Terry .... cheers mate

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris 👍

I had a similar experience at a very active non-towered airport, with several planes in the pattern, only to spot some guy not on the radio, at TPA, and flying the pattern the wrong direction.

Fabulous video thank you. Another one to add to my discord channel. Thank you, Terry.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Your support is always appreciated Martin.

Interesting, always good to do preflights for strips and regular radio even if you get sick of your own voice, one of my dilemmas as a flexwing pilot is safety comm or microlight frequency ?

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

I never trust Safety Com there's so much irreverence going on that it's hard to pick out anyone at the same field as you, then throwing the microlight freq in as well no wonder these issues happen alot.

I had a guy continue on short final while I was backtracking (NR training) without any calls, despite the obvious conflict. I'd made multiple calls, and it was my right of way, but I ended up adding power to vacate quickly. As I vacated, he called "going around". So much for my stop and go! We all make mistakes (though I suppose it was more a lack of courtesy than actually doing anything wrong, assuming that he'd seen and heard me), but that rattled me into positive action; I didn't fancy a Cessna as a hat 😅

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

A Cessna bonnet crazy Scotsman 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DeadReckoner

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField

good to see another video if you have not already done so, a video on the types of ATC that is in England would be nice as it is quite different from here in the US.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

That's a great idea thanks Bartram.

Hi Terry, Yet again a vid that we can all relate to. I have been guilty of getting my frequency wrong on approaching and landing at an uncontrolled airfield and making all the correct calls. When I had vacated the active runway and taxing I noticed another aircraft taxing towards me, in what I perceived to be an overly aggressive manner. I had not heard anything on the Radio from him and then it clicked. I checked the TRIG....one digit out. Got the right frequency and made a groveling apology to the other pilot. Suffice it to say I now check and double-check when changing the frequency.

@ArnoldAaron

11 ай бұрын

Would you believe I made the same mistake, but thankfully it was online, on VATSIM (a simulated but very realistic ATC environment, on occasions with some real world controllers manning the different sectors - I was flying an A320). Was wondering why I couldn't hear the other movements in the circuit!

Hoping one day to restart my three axis microlight training down here in S.E England, so thanks for sharing your woes.👍👍🙂

@FlyingDarkLord

Жыл бұрын

Do it Tony!!! Life is too short 😉👍🏼

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Do it Tony 👍👍👍👍

Absolutely unforgivable that he didn't make any radio calls - absolutely pathetic - I bet he didn't even bother to tune in to the frequency. Good on you that you were aware of his presence (somewhere) and were looking out for him.

@ShortField

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Arnold, happens a lot in the UK.

This sort of thing happens quite frequently… so a great idea to talk about it.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Mostly on Safety Com I would think. If everyone treated uncontrolled comms as controlled then this wouldn't happen, you'd never steam through an airfields circuit with a FISO without establishing contact first so why do it when there's no one to tell you off.

@stephenstead6333

Жыл бұрын

Yep one way of putting it?

If you had a voice like that bandit, you'd keep quiet too! He sounded like he was underwater (:>

@Design_no

Жыл бұрын

He sounded like Quaid from Total Recall 😂

@thecrow3380

Жыл бұрын

@@Design_no Or a cross between Arnold Schwarzenegger in 'True Lies', and Darth Vader!

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

You didn't see him 🤣🤣🤣 and he had guns on his aircraft 🤣🤣🤣

Hey Terry - well done on your airmanship there mate! Sorry to say but IMHO that other pilot should have had Stan Maris freq already punched into his radio standby and made sure he switched after ending his Radar service request. And to hear no comms at all from him acknowledging you at least as he over flies you on the Go Around...not great! Only my 2 pence worth... Lesson learnt: always check out for those "silent ghosts" when approaching the pattern - cause a mid-air ain't silent! Well done Terry!! Come fly here in the beautiful Cape Town SA!

I've been there having my Super Cub in a Barn for about 3-4 years 1,100 Ft 30-12 with obstacles. Not a big challenge except in a stiff crosswind.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Super Cub is an awesome STOL aircraft, these little LSA,s are full of compromises.

Nice video Terry. Point well made and as you say, it could have been a miss tune. I do like Stow.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim, you know it happens all the time. Love Stow Maries as well.

Just caught up on this Terry, really good of you to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, and you're absolutely right that 'right of way' or being in the right is cold comfort if there's a crash and injuries or worse! Annoying that his radio was clearly working. I think on balance not calling him out on it there and then is a good call as you were rattled and with the best will in the world, emotions can easily get in the way, and you have NO idea how much of a potentially entitled/smug pilot they might be - may have been nice and humble and apologetic, but you have no way of knowing!

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike, maybe I should have said something but I thought meah! :-)

I reckon you are absolutely right with theory of mis tuning. He saw you late and prob thought why aren't you making calls and checked his radio... Passed my check ride only 2 weeks ago and when I was building solo time my instructor sent me away to do some touch and goes at an airfield 30 odd miles away. On my landing and taxiing back I see my instructor standing on the taxi way with his mobile radio in hand. I stop and he asks me what channel I am on. To my horror I was still on the vfr frequency from my return journey with the airfield frequency still in standby. All my calls - in our part of the world we just do approach, down wind and final - had been on the wrong frequency. Fortunately I had not made this mistake at the airfield I had been visiting. Can happen to us all and I echo the comments below - 99% chance he would have been very apologetic had you raised it. I certainly was! Felt a lot better when we watched a friend land layer that week - experienced pilot - who had done the very same thing - was a 4 hour flight without AP in his defence. As an aside a great tip from my instructor with over 17,000 hours of dual instruction encouraged me never to use distance in approach reports . These are somewhat meaningless if type is not given. I now always say "expect circuit in x minutes" Seems far more sensible to me.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations Ivor 👍👍 Great points and your instructor is correct should give time reports rather than distance. Thank you

@ivorevans1795

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField was remiss of me to also mention I love your channel. The time and effort that goes in is not lost on me and I appreciate it very much! So nice to have some good non-US content - no offence to chaps and chappettes across the pond

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

@@ivorevans1795 that comment just popped up on my notifications, you've made my day Ivor, thank you so much. 🌞

It’s possible he inadvertently lowered the volume of his radio and didn’t hear you also cursing why you didn’t announced yourself 😅 I think you should have talked to him in case he had a technical malfunction he was not aware of or just to make sure he uses the radio next time. Anyway, a nice video as usual 😊

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

In this video I just wanted to show how a simple thing like a miss-tune or volume too low can really stress out others. Maybe he will see this video. Thank you for the lovely comment sir.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

Apologies for banging on, but you need to be certain that he is aware of the problems he caused, which means you have to talk to him. I'm sure you have enough tact to manage that without causing any difficulty.

I know what you mean Terry. He didn't sound too confident on the radio, did he. Had a similar experience in my Comanche at an airfield with A/G radio. I was on final having extended downwind because of other traffic on final (it was a busy Sunday) had the PA24 lit up like a Christmas tree (including high intensity wing tip landing lights) and was making regular positional calls when some idiot in a slower a/c turns final in front of me requiring a go around on my part. Our eyes met in the café afterwards and he apologised for compromising my approach saying he just didn't see me despite all the positional calls! There were a number of pax in his 4 seater a/c and I just wonder if he was distracted at a time when he should have been concentrating in a sterile cockpit environment. Essential for safe flight in the vicinity of the circuit and clearly, if this was the case, had not briefed his pax correctly.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Graham that wasn't his real voice 🤣🤣🤣🤣 if had of had that voice I was going nowhere near him 😆😆😆😆 Great example you give as well I think this happens alot and we just brush it off.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField The voice sounded like Frank Bruno on a bad day.

Good aftermorning

@ShortField

11 ай бұрын

Perfect :-)

So until recently I would have handled this the same way you did. Then it was pointed out to me the benefits of being proactive in establishing communications with the other pilot early in the approach. "Other aircraft on approach to XXX, what's your position now?" Then maybe, "I'm going to approach the airport ... (in this manner). It looks like I'll be ahead of you. Does this work for you?" This way you establish communications and work out something for both your safety. Yes, we don't like to tie up frequencies, but at non-towered airports, with potentially converging traffic, this is a safety of flight issue. This procedure would have eliminated the distraction that caused you to be a little fast. BTDT, but since I started being proactive with coordinating with other traffic, the stress and potential conflict are greatly reduced.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

I need to be more assertive.

You're a better person than I am because I would have said something. Not blaming him but even just ask if his radio was working because there were no calls until the "go around" from his initial call. It doesn't have to be an argument but making other pilots aware of potentially unsafe situations that they were part of is critical for safer skies for both you and them. On my second solo I had someone cut me off within a couple hundred feet on final. Someone else brought it to their attention for me in this instance but just making them aware is all it takes. That takes no explanation as to why that's unsafe, just be aware.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

He was really big, did you hear his voice :-) No you are right I should have brought him a coffee and had a chat, he did have a fantastic aircraft after all.

I would ask 0n the radio: "Is anybody near the airfield, and what are your intentions"? You must ask? And get the other plane to answer you I think.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I should have done and will do next time thanks Arild

Had similar last time I went up, had a great 2 hour cross country, heading back to my home airfield which is uncontrolled but is within an MBZ, joined left base and had no other aircraft in the circuit, then on short final I spot a light trike fly over head the runway lower than he should have been cutting straight across me, if I needed to do a go around there could have been a close call for sure. No radio calls whatsoever, which is required within the MBZ. karma got him though as he lost his phone to the runway while doing a touch and go just after I parked up when his passenger was recording it.

You could've just asked him (sarcastically, or not) if he was having radio problems. Sometimes people need a gentle reminder that the airspace is there for all pilots.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Agree, should have.

The fact that he was already on final without calling out is scary. Above you and faster in a low wing? Glad you were paying attention. I would have been rattled for sure knowing he was flying right up my butt. Also, you say he didn’t do anything wrong? Maybe he didn’t realize he was doing something wrong, but he was definitely in the wrong! Given he was landing right on top of you, I think he probably was on the wrong frequency (nobody is that reckless, right?), but he didn’t acknowledge it. If I realized I had a radio issue, I would have apologized after. As a student at my first time at a non-towered airport, I had someone start back taxiing while I was on final. No clue why as the runway had plenty of turnoffs. “What in the hell?” “Going around.” He at least apologized.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Look at my channel Alan I am definitely not without sin 🙂

I'm at a very busy non towered airport and things don't always sequence out well. May I ask the community on their thought on; What is a good "evasion" procedure when you are on either on base or final and you feel threatened by an aircraft behind you or worse approaching straight in? If I'm on base, I just extend the base leg straight outward ASAP to the dead side and eventually turn upwind side-stepped from the runway. If on final I side-step to the dead side ASAP. I consider it a serious enough emergency to justify violating noise abatement as well. Thoughts from others?

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Peter that is defensive flying and means that you are an awesome pilot. We have to allow and expect others to make mistakes and compensate for them, as I have proved with plenty of videos on this channel, we are humans, we all make mistakes.

Well put Terry👍👍 Interesting video as always💜✌️👍😊 I've had people cut me up - higher hours and they should know better, but they approach and over take on the wrong side, don't understand the local circuit, all whilst telling the tower that they're are parallel to me (until I make a call to the tower and state that they're converging on me fast!). But rather than be right - and I was with an instructor on that occasion - and dead, I took avoiding action. Bl@@dy annoying but best for all. Instructor agreed. When flying my radio calls weren't always great, that used to annoy me as my dad holds RT licences, was an RT Op in the military and I've been using, on and off, Ham, Sideband, CBs, walkie talkies etc since a very early age. So my own ineptitude can only be down to workload etc and inexperience of using such in an aircraft and having to watch out for others whilst I try to preserve my instructor's life, my life and not get scratches on the aeroplane (with all the paperwork that involves). True others make mistakes too, we all need tolerance, but I am picking up on an "I'm alright so up yours Jackson" attitude from certain quarters these days, these types often drive certain types of cars and own (lease, on tick?) fast expensive aeroplanes. They can fly, but are they good aviators? On the ground, in advanced driving training - not that I've studied for such - and advanced motorcycling it's all about driving/riding defensively and looking out for others. Aviation seems to have similar challenges and as many of us are weekend or infrequent fliers we have to be extra cautious. The complacent high hours pilot can be equally dangerous too though. Also I do worry about too many screens in the cockpit and eyes not being outside of the cockpit these days, such safety devices can be a blessing or a hindrance 🤔🤔✌️💜 You seem to have balance about right though, I hasten to add💜✌️👍😊 Another thought provoking video, good on you!💜💜😊

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your always insightful comments and your support. You know I appreciate it.

@musoseven8218

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField 👍👍✌️✌️💜💜😊

Nice video. I would have spoken to him.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Yes you are right that's what I should have done. Thank you

You should have talked to him on the ground, told him how unsettling it was to be looking out for what was a faster aircraft that had the potential to fly into you, it seems likely that he thought he might overtake and get ahead of you.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Even if the other guy heard my calls and knew exactly where I was because he wasn't talking, I didn't know that, such a small thing but very important. I truly think he had set his radio incorrectly and as I said in the video I have done that on occasion. Thanks Andrew

Dan Gryder says in that situ...forget RT protocol speak up.. ie "Baron joining overhead ur quiet, can you see me" or words to that effect.

Often get people not calling on the radio, often due to the wrong frequency. The thing I don't understand is the pilots with transponders who don't use them. As you say we all make mistakes and I will put my hand up and say I make incorrect call sometimes, often when ATC ask for something I was not expecting.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Algy, I can't complain too much I have done this a few times, however what I wanted to show was the unintended consequences that can happen from a simple radio mis-tune. I've always felt that you should treat uncontrolled airfields that have a frequency exactly the same as a field with a radio service, you wouldn't just blast around the circuit and not say anything at a controlled/service airfield (or you can but I don't think you'll ever be allowed back again).

@flyingkub

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField Totally with you on that: a joining call, down wind and final call at the very least to my mind.

When I was a student doing my night training, my instructor and I had just finished our runup and were about to take the runway when some large helicopter chose that moment to do a low approach. No radio calls or anything, and their lights weren't the easiest things to see either, so sudden helicopter noise and buffeting was just a little startling. We waited a minute to let the rotor wash to settle (I don't think the chopper was *that* big, but better safe than sorry) and to tell each other what an idiot that pilot is before we took off.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Oh great story that sounds well dodgy.

I think on your first call when you ended with ' to Stow Mary' it sounded a bit muffled, and maybe controller thought you said Standby?!

@ShortField

11 ай бұрын

Could be Matthew.

Had you disguised The other pilots voice? It was really deep.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Yes I don't want to identify him.

Helicopter pilots seem to be favourite for doing things without communicating with anyone. A minimum of who, what, where you are and your intentions would be wise. You being ahead and below he would have had you below his nose and out of sight. By my reckoning he should at least have swung his nose to either side a few degrees to get a look ahead and below given that he was going in to a non radio field. Admittedly not a legal requirement but good safety proceedure.

Your airspace seems so complicated - in New Zealand it's common for recreational pilots to avoid controlled airspace, especially us microlight pilots (your aircraft would normally be a microlight here) There's no such thing here as a "basic service"

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

We just adopted 600kg as microlights here but not LSA's as they have their own category. We have no choice but to fly in some CA as around London it's everywhere 🙂

Please try and figure out if it's morning or afternoon before you push the mic button to "pass your message".

@ShortField

8 ай бұрын

🤣 Depends where you're watching it from 🙂

Terry I swear at 4:23 you dialled in a Frank Bruno simulation voice.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

:-) Brilliant of all the voices you could have compared that too you chose Big Frank, man of a certain age :-) I did try and disguise the voice but I think I pushed the slider too far from the Mickey Mouse setting :-)

I don't know enough about the rules so I will take your word for it that he didn't do anything wrong. I would certainly regard it as discourtious on his part. I suspect you did the right thing by not approaching him about it in the cafe. I wouldn't have words with a tailgating AUDI driver if I saw them at a service station. What would be the point?

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

I hate confrontation but I suppose if I offered to buy him a coffee we could have had a chat. Thanks Robert

@Payne2view

Жыл бұрын

One can hope but I'm not sure.

Is part of the problem with you guys in the uk having a lot more airports with control/advisories? In Australia 80% of fields have no services and are uncontrolled so we are very used to using our radios.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Glenn, certainly around the London airports there's lots of little uncontrolled strips that are in controlled airspace so you end up switching from being controlled to an uncontrolled environment which can cause some confusion. Uncontrolled is a totally different mindset. Thanks for your always excellent comments Glenn.

It's such a British thing to not go talk to someone. You really should have. This is about safety, not politeness. I'm surprised there aren't more smoking holes in the ground here.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

We have a great GA safety history in the UK but even situations like this were safe (if he could see and hear me), I just didn't know if he did, if that makes sense?

You should’ve approached him…

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

He was built like a brick wall, did you hear his voice :-) No just joking I should have you are correct. Thank you Jonas.

@jonasfloriani

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField :) thanks for the videos!

Terry, I reckon you never spoke to him in cafe, because he was 8 feet tall?🙈

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

He was a bit tasty Steve :-)

@petersatchwell1910

Жыл бұрын

Steve Styles joker!

@stevenstyles7602

Жыл бұрын

@@petersatchwell1910 😂😂👍

Just ask where he is at. Other traffic coming into Bla bla bla what's your current position? I haven't heard you in a while. Easy peasy

This story is everything that's wrong with private aviation and in the UK in particular. It's a passive-aggressive dick-swinging competition. Everyone's spending their time trying to sound super cool on the radio in their flying chariot that's faster than the other fella's whilst telling everyone else on the internet but the guy who did the wrong thing what they (allegedly) did wrong. Clearly it wasn't a radio malfunction because you sat in the cafe together and continued the non-communication in fine British stiff upper (and lower) lip style. I guess at least you are keeping tradition alive in the King's isle. It's wierd that with ATC they expect an accurate readback to ensure everything important communicated has got through - in theory at least - yet on the CTAF/Unicom/WHY on the non-towered field everything is open-loop and no feedback is not only the norm but the regulatory expectation. I agree with Dan Gryder on this one - get on the blower and strike up a conversation until you're confident you know what the other guy is going to do!

Watching the US GA situation with "Dan Grydor - Probable Cause" shows approximately 30 accidents a month with many deaths. The conclusion is that GA Pilots are getting killed in massive numbers because of low Pilot Skills and very old GA aircraft.

To shy to ask him where he was ?

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

He was way bigger than me, that's why I let it go :-)

10 quid says is was a Cirrus 😀

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣was it that obvious next minute you'll be telling me about the lack of indicator lights on BMW's 🙂

@Colin_Holloway

Жыл бұрын

​@@ShortField Isn't calling a Go Round after a 10 mile straight-in approach SOP for Cirrus? 😀

Why not talk to him a bit about it? You or he might have learned something.

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

Let he without sin :-) Just look at my videos, I make errors and mistakes all the time, plus he was bigger than me :-)

@QBziZ

Жыл бұрын

@@ShortField “Hey there. Glad you finally made the call on downwind, I though maybe something was wrong, as I am used to hearing calls earlier.”, you say in a friendly voice ;)

Power to you, but you should probably consider another hobby after all these videos....

Reading the titles of your videos maybe you should stop flying?

@ShortField

Жыл бұрын

I will...............................one day.

It is obvious that the other pilot was at fault safety wise. Not a very good pilot at all. he knows we all know who he is.