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@a.carrierexploration

11 ай бұрын

F-14D vs F-16 Viper.

@heatblast876

11 ай бұрын

Hello, sir, there is an RCS model who did it with the SU57, the article you have seen on it, is actually an outdated one, and the RCS was based on the old prototype model of SU57, which is T50 that has no Radar blockers with IGV (inlet guide vanes) and exposed rivets with least or no RAM coating on the aircraft making the RCS around 0.1m2, it will detect at the range of 45 miles on the enemy radar, this was the old prototype model of SU57 also know as (T50). Whereas the production model of SU57 that has changed and improved a lot, such as on the intake and improved RAM coating making the RCS around 0.015m2 it means that it will detect at the range of less than 25 miles on the enemy radar. So if you want the answer, the improved model of SU57 RCS see on quora named Jack what is the RCS of SU57.

@pranavsivakumar3873

11 ай бұрын

the photos with the rivets are of prototype aircraft. the photos of the batch that rolled out a few months ago have flush rivets, radar absorbent coatings and engine cover thingys to reduce rcs. tell me where to send the pics if you need them.

@indiana146

11 ай бұрын

OK su 57 russia top spec jet but it's not seen combat f16 takes out su57 we in uk built thphoon although not stealth it will turn su57 inside out

@pranavsivakumar3873

11 ай бұрын

@@indiana146 f16 takes out su57? Might I remind you the su57 launched r37m which killed fighters over 100 miles away, and the kills were confirmed by ukraine. As for the eurofighter, it couldn't slow down to stay in formation with a mig 21. For context the mig 21 has a landing speed of over 400kph. Coming to bvr, yes the typhoon is armed with deadly meteor and a good radar, but with recent reports of su30 able to approach f35 with jamming and with the eurofighter being jammed by a gripen to the point of merging with it, I don't have hopes on the typhoon. Great on paper, but can it live up?

The SU-57 is not likely to face the F-16 in Ukraine because the SU-57 is not used in contested airspace for various reasons. The F-16 pilots will be more concerned about the air defense systems and other fighters.

@akeane4814

11 ай бұрын

Not yet besides it fires missles from 200 klicks away has the ability to cordinate Russian aircraft and Sam systems f16 would be downed before it new it was targeted

@klt479

11 ай бұрын

@akeane4814 Ya, it's so effective no country including Russia has used it in contested airspace nor acquired more than a few token non-combar ready form. It's a gen 4+ fighter at best do to its poor stealth profiles. It's beautiful but just an expensive toy that looks good on airshows, unfortunately. It will never go head to head with real gen 5 fighters such as the F-22 or F-35 because of it lack of 5th gen capabilities.

@60degreelobwedge82

11 ай бұрын

​@@klt479the F35 and F22 won't ever be flown in a contested airspace either. It would be interesting to see an air battle but it's just going to be F16s versus s-400s

@klt479

11 ай бұрын

@60degreelobwedge82 LOL, the F-35 has already flown in many combat miasions including contested airspace. This includes a18-month deployment in the Middle East, 42 F-35As flew 1,319 sorties, delivered 352 precision-guided weapons and fired 3,774 rounds from their canon systems. Let me know when the SU-57 has accumulated this much combat. F-22 is even more specifically designed to dominate saturated contested airspace than the F-35.

@60degreelobwedge82

11 ай бұрын

@@klt479 F35s haven't flown anywhere as dangerous as Ukraine and the F22 has only ever been used to shoot down weather balloons. Ukraine is essentially a no fly zone to anything bigger than kamikaze drones. Air defenses are too strong on both sides. No one will risk a top tier plane they are hoping to sell in a situation like that.

That mustache, though..😂😂😂😂

@MajorCaliber

Күн бұрын

and the #HairPlugs? 😱

As one of my IAF buddy has pointed out, Russian never claim it to be super stealthy, they said they would compromise on some stealth to ve more agile, because missiles can be out maneuvered.

@KondorDCS

11 ай бұрын

And jammed like they are doing with HIMARS missiles.

@Cheesusrice69222

11 ай бұрын

They are not jamming himars there jamming JDAMs

@MrKasugano

10 ай бұрын

@@Cheesusrice69222 HIMARS are mostly "intercepted" by RAF. Just like Storm Shadow in the future (caped for R&D) by adapting software.

@PlanetWalking-qd8gv

6 күн бұрын

@@Cheesusrice69222 they are jamming HIMARS as well- there were no much reported successful strikes against protected regiments, that's why most of HIMARS strikes recently on civil targets only

@wadopotato33

5 күн бұрын

With every generation missiles are more and more unlikely to be outmaneuvered. Hit rates in Vietnam were around 10%, with only 2 being BVR kills. Now BVR missiles hit closer to 60%. The truth is therefore that Russia didn't make a true stwalth plane because...they couldn't. Saying they didn't compromise agility for stealth is a half-truth. BVR missiles, launched in salvoes are most likely going to take out a plane regardless of agility. China gets it, Russia is pretending. When it comes to stealth planes, Russia is behind China and WELL behind the US.

I can't imagine how a dogfight can happen there with such a huge number of air defense systems on both sides...

@williamkowalchik572

11 ай бұрын

Don't know of any dog fights here recently. Unless Desert Storm had some. I think there were A-10's.

@EZHEVNKA

11 ай бұрын

@@williamkowalchik572 different conflicts, density and quality of air defense are not comparable anyway

@JimCOsd55

11 ай бұрын

@@williamkowalchik572US pilots only practice gun fights for the skills. The last time a U.S. jet shot down an enemy plane with guns was over Hanoi when two B-52’s used their Vulcan tail guns to shoot down two MiG-21’s in 1972. A Cobra looks good in air shows but speed is everything in a dog fight, no competent pilot would perform that in front of Maverick since he’d of put a shit load of cannon shells into him!

@williamkowalchik572

11 ай бұрын

@JimCOsd55 My dad was Air Force when I was a kid. We lived against an air base. They were training pilots in F-105's at the time for Vietnam. Air plane's are one of my favorite things to study.

@EZHEVNKA

11 ай бұрын

@@JimCOsd55 so, let the dogfights and downed pilots be better only in simulators and video games)

Fighting a 1-circle in an F-16 against a Su-57 sounds like a death sentence. He can get way way slower than you and point his nose at will post stall.

@ViceCoin

11 ай бұрын

Unless Tom Cruise is in the F16.

@JackMyersPhotography

11 ай бұрын

I’ve seen it go that way in Sims, for sure.

@danielrutter213

11 ай бұрын

As soon as an SU-57 executes a manoeuvre like you describe, to point his noise right at the F-16, he's lost all energy and will not get a second chance to launch another missile so that first launch needs a PK (probability of kill) of near 100%. An F-16 is one of the world's best dogfighters because it can maintain that energy and keep coming back if necessary. I think I'm probably right in saying NATO has better short range missiles than Russia does but whether either would have a loadout containing short range air to air missiles is another question. They're more likely to fill up on long range air to air and anti-radiation missiles. The actual fight Ukraine needs to worry about is the SU-35. Probably the best 4th gen fighter there is and also hyper manoeuvrable like the SU-57. The SU-35 can actually be launched in significant numbers and has far better abilities than the early versions of the F-16 that Ukraine will have access to. Slava Ukraini

@evitoonbundit2453

11 ай бұрын

Given the much longer range the SU57 is in the position to wait the F16 out of fuel and then engage. More important is the much longer range missiles of the SU57. That may cause the F16 never even see that SU57. Then there is the layered air defense....and the long range optical sight...

@BorisN926

11 ай бұрын

@@danielrutter213 do you know that according to the rules of the Stepan Bandera (a hero of the modern ukranians) military organization you should also rise your hand when shouting Slava Ukraine? So did you raise your hand in Stepan Bandera Nazi Hitler way? You should really! By your family name it seems that your grandfather was doing that when shouting "Heil Hitler"

Shouldn't the f-16 be more worried about the S-400?

@j.c.4145

11 ай бұрын

Would be interested in knowing Ryan's thoughts of an F-16 going up against S-400 radar/SAM system.

@Nathan-vt1jz

11 ай бұрын

Yes.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

F-16's will have an iceberg's chance in hell against S-400's deemen

@rajaydon1893

11 ай бұрын

​@@DennisMerwood-xk8wpthey just need to fly extremely low

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

@@rajaydon1893 Like 6'-0" under the ground LOL

I'm not a fighter pilot though I nearly joined the US Air Force when I was a 24-year-old. I am now 62 going on 63, so that doesn't count, obviously.😁 But from what I have seen, I think the SU-57 is a gross overkill to fight the F-16. I see the MiG-35 as being a more suitable adversary. Even the SU-35S or SU-30SM is a bit much. Sure, if you have an exceedingly good F-16 pilot vs an amateur operating the SU-57, the former could stand a chance, but even that is debatable, as Russia's 5th-generation fighter's combat management system is said to be heavily powered by AI and can make decisions for the pilot. Regardless, no one in their right mind should wish for this kind of confrontation in the sky because that means someone is not returning home to their family and friends. War is hell and no amount of "sugar coating" or glorification will change that.

@mweskamppp

4 ай бұрын

Russia lost already few hundreds of its best pilots for jets and helicopters. It seems to me that their training is not that good overall but i am not an expert in this. Russias air force at least lost a lot of experience with their best pilots so far.

@edwardwongiii2229

4 ай бұрын

@@mweskamppp In which computer game did that happen? I mean seriously?

@Grim_Reaper_from_Hell

4 ай бұрын

​@@edwardwongiii2229it is estimated that Russia lost between 90 and 140 aircraft. Considering that the crew of each helicopter is 2 or more and the crew of a-50 is 12 then a couple of hundred airman is a reasonable estimate

@edwardwongiii2229

4 ай бұрын

@@Grim_Reaper_from_Hell Your argument is what is called a logical fallacy. In other words, when you use phrases like, "It is estimated that x, y and z", creates an aura of authority to your narrative. It doesn't make it true. The total number of lost aircraft on the Russian side is closer to 50 and 2/3 of those were helicopters and ground attack planes such as the SU-25. These are more vulnerable due to the fact that they fly sorties at low to medium altitudes and at decidedly sub-sonic speeds. Shoulder fired MANPADS can engage those aircrafts much easier than high flying, fast air superiority fighters which by the way, Russia has lost exactly ZERO in every air-to-air engagement against Ukrainian pilots.

@Grim_Reaper_from_Hell

4 ай бұрын

@@edwardwongiii2229 I am using 3rd party estimates that is why there is a wide range. You, apparently, are relying on a single source. As an actuary I know that there are no unbiased sources. So what is that about fallacy again? Russia claimed superiority of the Russian fighters.that are virtually invincible to American anti-aircraft missiles. Well, it seems they overestimated the capabilities of their Russian planes. If SAM can home in on a Russian plane why would there be any difference with air-to-air missiles using the same acquisition technology. It is absolutely unlikely that the Russian plane would ever dare to confront f-16. Americans would not be very happy if their f-16 would ever venture into Russian air and Russians are afraid to enter Ukrainian air even without f-16 in it.

I worked on the Dutch F-16s here in the USA years ago. They are A models that are not up to USA technology, but they are much better than the ancient Denmark jets they are getting. Parts and maintenance will hinder them logistically. It is not a simple aircraft to maintain. They need to upgrade the technology but that could take years.

@AnGhaeilge

5 ай бұрын

It states they are Block 20 MLU. Do you have an idea of how these models will fair? What advantages will they have and what weaknesses?

@user-ud1dh7db9v

5 ай бұрын

@@AnGhaeilge They are basically dinosaurs. Dunno even if the block 20 is armed with AIm-120C, but they prob have the B variant. Also most planes heading over to ukraine is block-50/52 from Norway and Netherlands.

SU57 is so stealthy that you can only see them in airshows.

@Neeboopsh

11 ай бұрын

i giggled. however, production has doubled per year in the past couple years. yes, this means 10 or so, with maybe 7? in actual service, but will be 20 or so in the next year or 2, then more. and su35s have also ramped up production. but yes, the felon effectively currently is a ghost, in terms of A2A fighting, but it has been tested in syria and has been operational in safe airspace in ukraine for months now. i am an f16 fan, and there are hundreds and hundreds of f16s available, and some way lesser number of those are modern kitted out vipers w/ newest upgrades, and i dont think any of those will be sent ;)

@secretpepperclub6160

11 ай бұрын

@@Neeboopsh 1+1 = 2 Su-57s. They'll get shot down quick. They aren't truly stealth craft. You can see the rivets in them.

@Neeboopsh

11 ай бұрын

@@secretpepperclub6160 i am aware of how unstealthy they are. their engine integration is also poor.

@Max_Da_G

11 ай бұрын

@@secretpepperclub6160 Have you done any RCS measuring? What experience or education in aircraft design and operation do you have?

@Max_Da_G

11 ай бұрын

@@Neeboopsh When and how did you measure Su-57s RCS? What do you know about Su-57s engine integration?

Ok lads tell me how a baloon can fight a f 22?!

@backaboki1926

11 ай бұрын

F.22 Fayt balonn Kina F.22 Win 💪💪💪😂😂😂😂

@r200ti

11 ай бұрын

LOL

@thewarthundernerd

11 ай бұрын

LoL

@doogleticker5183

3 ай бұрын

Balloons…can carry EMP bombs and do so without it ever being considered a threat… 😮

1. The Su-57 is called multifunctional not because it dropped a bomb somewhere in Syria, but because it can carry long-range cruise missiles, more than 600 km. This is not just a fighter, but a strategic missile carrier. 2. Su-57 produced 24 pcs. For comparison, during several years of stagnation, when the F-16 production line was moved from Fort Worth, Texas, to Greenville, South Carolina, production of these aircraft was discontinued. The management of Lockheed Martin Corporation, in an interview with Defense 24, stated that 5-8 aircraft will be built in 2023. 3. The F-16 has no chance even to engage in combat with the Su-57. The Su-57 has a Squirrel radar with a target detection range with an Effective Scattering Area of 1 m2 like the F-16 is 400 km. The USA began to equip the F-16 APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar with a range of 370 km. 4. The Su-57, like the Su-35 S and Mig-31 BM, are armed with R-37 M missiles with a range of 300 km. Su-35 destroyed 24 Ukrainian aircraft with such missiles in a week. The AIM-120 in service with the F-16 has a range of more than 2 times less. The F-16 cannot even be compared with the Su-35 or Su-57. His classmate is a Mig-29.

@bubaba8938

5 ай бұрын

Great assessment

@daekey6109

5 ай бұрын

The Russians are catching up

@db-ne9fy

5 ай бұрын

From EU! there is only 1 problem with statistics! Russia LIES!!! about EVERYTHING! 🤣🤣🤣🤣Example ! look at their so-called (as always) superior tanks etc etc who blow up after 1 hit!

@andethidialbubabibub3261

6 күн бұрын

Your information is filled with wholes and simply wrong statements you probably picked up by Russian propaganda.❤

@JC130676

Күн бұрын

True, but the Su-57 will never be fighting just ONE F-16. It'll be fighting at least two and more likely four and they'll be supported by SAM sites. Russia can't afford to lose even a single Su-57 since they only have 24, with one already being damaged and possibly destroyed, while Ukraine could receive as many as a hundred F-16's. Then factor in that almost all we know about the Su-57 comes from Russian claims which tend to be, ahem, "optimistic"...

If there are only 4 SU-57 in service, what's the point discussing its abilities?

@ssn22

17 күн бұрын

just for fun why not and its not 100 % unrealistic !!

A video about the SU-35 would have been more informative since that's the most likely opponent of Ukrainian F-16s.

@tylerlinderman9255

11 ай бұрын

Yeh it's almost like this is propaganda or something because their isn't a chance in heel russia would waste one of its 57 in Ukraine. As well as risking a pilot that can fly it.

@donsullivan6199

11 ай бұрын

No more likely the F-16 will face the Mig-21 not 1 to 1 but 1 to 10 or 20 Mig-21s.

@blackrainb0w

11 ай бұрын

@@thatotherguy7596 Looks like the Ghost of Kyiv is back again 🤣🤣🤣

@lfcdavo90

11 ай бұрын

​@@thatotherguy7596Ukraine are getting fucked up mate, not long before they have no men left

@Ricardo-lb4so

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree.

There's Su35s and 27s for that specific role of going against F16s

@Max_Da_G

11 ай бұрын

Russians use Su-30SM these days. Old Su-27s are more training birds these days and are getting replaced with Su-35s and later on with Su-57s.

There's almost 20 Su-57s already built, the version 5 being the latest new built. One of the main improvement ongoing is the new Product 30 engine now in its testing phase.

@thatotherguy7596

11 ай бұрын

🤣 Sure it is.

@pogo1140

11 ай бұрын

So all SU-57's are still using their place holder engines, got it, no production SU-57's at this time

@almightymanshadow1002

8 ай бұрын

actually its true , recently they build 6 more and now going to make even bigger improvments , they even said they gonna start producting older versions of su57 to sell , mine country is one of the buyers @@thatotherguy7596

@RatPack-qb6dp

3 ай бұрын

Well now there is.😂 with brand new engine ​@@pogo1140

On the public servers, against the massive influx of Eagles after the F-15 release, my tactics were to land my F-16 on a road and turn it around, wait for the Eagles to fly over with my Radar off, take off, kill them, RTB, rearm, repeat. That massive radar they have for BVR IS INSANELY GOOD. Therefore, dont be in the air during the merge and keep a solid object between you and their base so they can't groundmap you.

You forgot to mention , that unlike having 1 radar the su57 has several, in different radar modes, it’s not a stealth fighter , it’s a stealth hunter.

@soriddosuneko

11 ай бұрын

unlike su-57 an F-16 fighter is an actual aircraft

@clivewilliams9460

11 ай бұрын

The Su-57 will be shot at before it can see the Stealth. Game over. 😂😂

@charlesncharge6298

11 ай бұрын

LoL. Sure it is Ivan. Sure it is.

@whiteorchid5412

11 ай бұрын

Yep thats what Russian propagandist said about the T-90 tank too, we are the hunters, meantime Ukrainian soldiers are lighting up T-90 tanks like Roman candles with Javelin missiles! Time will tell but something tells me the Russian air war isn't going to go any better than their ground war.

@davidgill3356

11 ай бұрын

Yeah but that’s cancelled out by the fact it’s Russian radar which means it is made out of aluminum foil and old tv antennas because the plant managers sold everything on the black market. It is garbage, like everything Russia attempts.

He says: One of them that can actualy fly. I KNEW HE WILL BE UNBIASED 😂 How did he miss 20 of them flying in formation?

@ezwansafri8006

11 ай бұрын

Who the hell are you to point this out to him. He is AN AMERICAN ACE PILOT. HE KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE, apparently even better than the Sukhoi engineers.

@reynaldolopez9221

3 ай бұрын

His f16 was rifting😵‍💫

@Annonymous0283745

3 күн бұрын

Same old russian propaganda. Yeah, you flew a formation of 20 planes when less than 10 have ever been built. Sure.

@JC130676

Күн бұрын

Link please? The most I've seen so far is a six-ship formation.

Last I heard there were 9 SU-57's in operable condition, but 4 of them were pre-production used for trialing technologies and loadouts, while at least 2 of the serial production units still contain placeholder engines instead of the final specs... the reality is they probably all fly well enough, they just don't all meet the standards set

@cristitanase6130

10 ай бұрын

As long as they have the Mig35 and Su35 to dominate the entire airspace...

@powkung45

10 ай бұрын

@@cristitanase6130 Yea the RF really doesn't need the most advanced aircraft in the sky, they just need more advanced missiles.

@Internetbutthurt

10 ай бұрын

There was ~12 IIRC at the start of the SMO and I cant remember the number but a good number had been handed over to the test and evaluation unit of the Russian AF for development of tactics. Agree that they still arent in their final mass production spec and i think from what the Russians learn and experience in Ukraine they will make yet more improvements.

@powkung45

10 ай бұрын

@@Internetbutthurt It would be stupid not to learn from experience. In fact one might argue the Russians now have a better grasp of drone warfare and tactics than the NATO countries who were just playing Duck Hunt in Las Vegas against random targets in Yemen or whatnot....

@Therealist679

5 ай бұрын

What standards are you talking about? Who set those standards?

The F16 is a strike force type fighter that requires AWAC oversight. I don't see how F16's can make a single dent without one.

@ivomarcelo9492

Күн бұрын

Sweden just delivered their own version awacs to Ukraine.

We will probably see as much dogfights as we see tank fights

Hmmm, once-circle fight against a 3D thrust-vectoring supermaneuverable Sukhoi, equipped with high off-boresight Fox 2s? Bold... Not that the two-circle would be much better with the Felon's nose authority. As far as I can tell, if you get to merge, the Sukhoi has all the advantages, so take it out from afar or don't engage at all; in WVR/BFM I don't see how an F-16 can beat a SU-57 apart from significant pilot skill discrepancies, which is unlikely.

@larrybrantley8835

11 ай бұрын

Russian Pilots are getting few flight training hours in the middle of a shooting war. They reportedly have 77 SU-57s on order but only 3 to 15 in service. Attrition to surface to air systems, stingers, and F-16s out numbering them will probably keep their few units held back for last ditch efforts.

@sabrinanova949

11 ай бұрын

​@@larrybrantley8835 Except the Russia will not send SU 57 . It will send SU 35 and Mig 31instead. Which proven managed to destroy all ukraine's mig 29 in bvr battle

@phillipdavidhaskett7513

11 ай бұрын

It's hilarious how as the Russian are steadily getting their a**s handed to them, the Russian bots are steadily explaining how they're actually winning, and how all their weapons systems are so superior to virtually everything the West has armed Ukraine with. The Magic SU-57 is just another clone of western technology, done badly as only the Russians can.

@larrybrantley8835

11 ай бұрын

@@sabrinanova949 Approximate losses for each side to date are Ukraine 277, Russia 241. There may be more recent updates.

@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis

11 ай бұрын

@@sabrinanova949when they use the SU-57 at all, it is just as a missile truck for propaganda purposes.

SU-57 can also be equipped with R-37 air to air missiles en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-37_(missile) , whos operational range is 150-398km according to wikipedia. I remember Russia boasting about hitting UA mig29 at a distance of 418 km a few months back, the R37 in this case was fired from the territory of Russian Federation by SU-35.

@user-yj1on3bf1v

11 ай бұрын

correct, i think he know about this, but he don't want tell you real situation. typical propaganda from usa pilot. also R37m missiles can be used on SU-35, MIG-31 and how i know SU-30SM2.

@miroslavplancak

11 ай бұрын

@@user-yj1on3bf1v i mean for someone like him its not possible he is not aware that this missile exists

@KondorDCS

11 ай бұрын

Hell, an old MiG21 could fire the missile if it had the necessary upgrades, targeting can be done by russian AWACS planes. All the MiG21 would need to do is bring the missile up and shoot it in the correct direction.

@johnd2058

11 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nauWy7GRiamqfco.html Too bad they don't even have a squadron.

@CZOV

11 ай бұрын

Dont inform the propagandists, they read from CIA-supplied texts and care nothing about reality.

When that SU-57 has significant numbers to enter in actual combat there will be a 6th generation flying.

Breaking news :- Maverick has been designated to train the Ukrainian pilots to fight the Felon. Maverick has been there and done it !

12 SU-57 were produced for different parameters of the systems in testing. Combat Approved shows this too us. It entered mass production.

@JulianGonzalez1974

4 ай бұрын

My thought exactly. Or, when the F-16s start shooting down too many 27s, 35s and 25s Russia might bring out the 57. At that point the F-16 doesnt have a chance.

@jmorrison5206

5 күн бұрын

“Mass production” -Dr. Evil

2:43 "It's worth noting there's probably four or five of these SU 57's that have actually been produced, probably three or four that can actually fly or less and then the rest are hanger queens." OK duly noted. 6:49 Oh look! Four SU 57's flying overhead in formation.... (Entire Russian SU 57 inventory.) Interesting...

As Serbians have said after shooting down the stealth F-117 Nighthawk - "Sorry, we didn't know it was invisible." (they actually damaged at least another one too) And all this with an obsolete rocket from the 60s.

Is it even possible for these jets to dogfight one another given that the airspace is so contested? Or will it be a case of each sides fighters just launching missiles from long range at one another?

@r200ti

11 ай бұрын

yeh thats exactly what will happen. The Russians have been shooting down Ukrainian Jets at like 150miles using SU57/Su34 and mig 31 combos. The F-16 has no chance. And thats if the F-16 is doing well. Actually taking off will be a challenge and an f-16 will be like taking candy from a baby for the s-400's

Hey Ryan, SU-57 is irrelevant for todays battlefield, cause as you said - low numbers and propaganda disaster for russia in case of downing one. I think real adversary for F-16 will be SU-35, could you make a video on SU-35?

@MuscleboundKage

11 ай бұрын

"low Numbers" is a very generous way of putting it. They might as well all be test planes. 😂

@davidelliott5843

11 ай бұрын

Su-57 is the Armarta tank of aircraft. Does everything on paper.

@IliyaOsnovikov

11 ай бұрын

The real adversary for F-16s will be various Russian SAMs. And they will do the job.

@ezwansafri8006

11 ай бұрын

Why in hell do such a comparison when you know the conclusion. USA wins...all the time, in movies that is. KZread comparo applies.

@Bokicazver

11 ай бұрын

F-16 will be eradicated with S systems before seeing ANY Russian aircraft...

It always surprises me when pilots comment the su57 specs ignoring that this fighter was designed not for stealth but to fly low and slow. There is also a video where the su57 flyes without the canopy. I'm also surprised when experts don't mention that the high pitch sound coming from the engines has the purpose to confuse ground troops on the sound direction since high frequency sound waves are not absorbed but bounce from obstacles.

@atomicwedgie8709

10 ай бұрын

They tried and failed at stealth so they make it look like they always wanted to flight low and slow. Amazing.

@airaction6423

10 ай бұрын

@@atomicwedgie8709 stealth geometry is a failed technology, or at least it's overhyped. Not usless but overhyped. Ever wondered why the US is upgrading F15s instead of building new F22s? If stealth was a miracle of a technology I would not throw a penny on old F15s.The ONLY way to be 100% invisible to radars is to fly low. The only secure way to fly low is to fly slow.

@airaction6423

10 ай бұрын

@@atomicwedgie8709 in addition, experts do not understand that the thrust vectoring of the su57 does not have dogfighting as its main purpose but that of avoiding obstacles at low altitude

@ricsim78

7 ай бұрын

@@airaction6423Low and slow, makes it a perfect target for SAMS and then picked up by the fighters as it goes on the defensive. If the SU-57 is designed like you said, it would be a dumb design and a complete overhyped failure! The F-22 has been continuously upgraded and I guess your propaganda has not informed you about the NGAD 6th gen currently in production? The Felon looks and sounds good, and paper specs look incredible, but so far it is a nothingburger who is likely exaggerated to death by Russia. Russia is getting bounced around in Ukraine by older Western weapons, so use common sense when you want to hype something!

@airaction6423

7 ай бұрын

@@ricsim78 F22 upgraded?? Are you serious? The whole F22 production line has been dismissed in 2012. You are totally completly absolutely brainwashed

In the perspective of a western Pailot even a F-4 fantom can take out a SU-57....😂😂😂 Oh man, i really enjoy watching this types of video, great entertainment 🤣🤣

@Annonymous0283745

3 күн бұрын

Probably because the SU57 is a steaming pile of junk, and the pilots who fly it are even more inept.

Another great Max Afterburner video! Keep the work up :)

An F-15 vs F-16 fight seems like it should be the canonical choice for you. Obviously this is quite unrealistic, but as you have flown both, it would be cool to see your unique assessment of these two and their interactions. Explaining instruments, theory and details like how you scan your instruments in different aircraft would be cool too.

@opieg7333

11 ай бұрын

Its not wholly unrealistic. I mean is F-22 vs F-14 could happen, and eventually, one day, F-15 vs F-16 could happen with some export version of the F-16. (Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan, Venezuela could turn foe one day).

@MarkyMark9mm

11 ай бұрын

Viper would murder the Eagle in a merge. Vice versa for BVR.

@SpicyTake

11 ай бұрын

@@opieg7333 Canada. Wait for it.

@stephenkalatucka6213

11 ай бұрын

I think you have Fang-Fang fishing for tech info. 🇨🇳

@joebloggs93

11 ай бұрын

@@stephenkalatucka6213 It's Finland you have to be worried about. Nobody knows what they are up to.

Never watch anything on YT where the tag line says 'will shock you'...

Dude I love your content!Was on the USS SARATOGA CV-60 !The F14Tom Cat was the awesome jet in the 80’s!Keep up the great content!

It's not Rafael, it's Rafale! Also, if the airplane is 0.5 m2 in radar cross-section, and another is 0.005, that's 100 times smaller, not a thousand.

@jimrustle3321

11 ай бұрын

weird way to spell "garbage last gen aeroplane"

@yeahright4659

11 ай бұрын

@@jimrustle3321 right. I am pretty sure you can make a better one.

@seimela

11 ай бұрын

Typically western exaggeration 😂 and overselling

@Grim_Reaper_from_Hell

4 ай бұрын

If .5m² is a reasonable estimate for su-57 rcs then what is .005?

by the way you never mentioned one BIG BIG BIG thing and that is Ru pilots flying over an year now of combat sorties ,CAS , SAP , SEAD in the hot zone and all the experience gained in the airframes they are very familiar in ....... So the claimes that you can just grab UA pilot and in 3-6 months you can drop him in F-16 and get him to stand against those veterans now with thousands of sorties is a western joke......

@harryflashman4542

11 ай бұрын

yeh but each Ukrainazi pilot will be trained by Tom Cruise.

My father in-law was project manager on the AMRAM project, we miss him.

Those Su-57s almost sound like Tie Fighters

To all over patriotic chairborn pilots: Never underestimate the enemy. In a fight with a SU57, you will need a lot of pilot skills and luck as well. It surely won't be an easy task. The SU57 may not be as deadly as the Russians want us to believe but it is also not just a papertiger as we all want to believe. Even the SU35 is a threat for a every oöponent if flown by an experienced pilot. Despite being an exercise and the case the USAF altered their tactics, the 9:1 kill ratio of the IAF against USAF F-15C in "Cope India 2004" is still quite impressive.

@ryan_B469

11 ай бұрын

Experience in the Russian Airforce means, you flew once this year, Experianced in the US Navy means fly 3 times a day 7 days a week.

@subzerostorm

11 ай бұрын

@@ryan_B469 exactly right.

@joek600

11 ай бұрын

@@ryan_B469 By that account HAF (the Greek airforce) flying multiple sorties every day against actual opponents armed with the same weapons, is superior

@tainechen1634

11 ай бұрын

@@ryan_B469 Not really, Russians fly around 120 hours per year, while Americans fly around 210 hours per year.

@dreaminknight

11 ай бұрын

​@@tainechen1634yeah but that is average flight hours and western pilots also train A2G and other missions. The Su57 will further be flown by their "instfuctors" with high(er) numbers of A2A training. However, lets assume that they are very well trained and be positively surprised than the other way. Professionals in the military are doing so ...

the plain and simple answer is that it shouldn't do it under any circumstance, it should focus on dealing with attack helicopters and attack aircraft as well as performing ground strikes and they should be far more worried about the mig 31 given its track record against 4th gen fighters in this conflict

@dancotterman1267

11 ай бұрын

That’s so true, there aren’t even enough su57’s to worry about. The F-16 has many roles and is a very capable foe. Use your tools for what they are good at. That’s all I’m saying.

@nicholasarends41

4 ай бұрын

The Russians haven’t faced any 4th gen fighters in this conflict or any other. Their pilots barely get any flight hours so they can’t perform SEAD and DEAD missions. They don’t even enter Ukrainian airspace and stay far from it because they’re losing planes a few hundred miles inside Russia to Ukrainian air defenses. Now I’m not saying Russian planes are terrible but their ability to operate them properly is terrible. Ukraine still has an Air Force despite a 100:1 advantage Russia has in air defense systems and fighter jets and Ukraine is fighting with very old Soviet fighters and still doesn’t have any f16s so I don’t know what you mean by the mig31 having a track record against 4th gen fighters.

SU 57 is not in mass production however sexy it looks. The idea of their meeting in conflict is inexistant.

I would say we may be somewhat understating the RCS here. It clearly has many features that make it dramatically less stealthy then F-22, F-35, J-20, etc but my impression is that have specialized screens to protect that compressor from radar returns that are not modeled in most attempts to estimate its RCS.

Also to be considered: The UKR will most probably get older F-16MLU and not brand new F-16 Block 71/72. It is also not sure whether they will get any 120Ds at all - most probably C7 or even older.

@2mjz84

11 ай бұрын

What are the C7’s? If not the 120D’s then definitely the 120C’s

@neutchain7838

11 ай бұрын

have doubts about the 9x as well

@dreaminknight

11 ай бұрын

​@@2mjz84C7 is the latest block of the AIM120C AMRAAM.

@mandoreforger6999

11 ай бұрын

I think it is entirely likely that several F-16s will be the latest models, which may be flown by Western “trainer volunteers” and only over UKR held territory. The reason would be to prevent the embarrassment of old F-16s being massacred by more advanced Russian equipment. A modernized F-16 with a seasoned pilot and reasonable SA over friendly SAM cover will threaten anything Russia can put aloft. My guess is that UKR pilots are focusing on ground support rather than air superiority.

@harryflashman4542

11 ай бұрын

my bet is that Ukraine will never get American jets. The risk to America's military reputation is far too high.

Personally, I think the SU-57 is the most badass looking jet out of all the combat jets, regardless of performance. However, the F-14 hauling ass with wings swept back looks the coolest.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

Beauty does not win wars booger!

@boogermcphee2847

11 ай бұрын

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Agreed. I just like the way they look. As far as aesthetics are concerned, Russian jets just look better than most of ours do in my opinion.

@amarshall911

11 ай бұрын

If they would have updated the f14 to stealth it would have been the best...also for its time it had awesome radar.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

@@amarshall911And if the F-14 had of been updated to stealth - it would have still been toast. The Ruskie's, with their latest L-band radar, figured out how to defeat stealth at least 10-years ago. Nowadays "stealth" is a just a Lockheed Martin sales gimmick to further gouge the gullible taxpayers. Against modern Russian air defenses, stealth is about as useful as having white sidewall tires! LOL

@MrKasugano

10 ай бұрын

@@boogermcphee2847 From the Russian side avia-fan point of view, I think F-22 is the most sexiest out of modern planes. Interesting choice by visual design - US always try to make the tech look slick and sexy (like its a superhot chick), while Ru try to make it look more practical.

A great video, thanks for making it

AS an old school F*16 ECM Maintenance Instructor (Foreign military sales as well) 1980s I would love for you to provide (unclassified) details on the current capabilities of the F-16 in the Electronically contested air space.

At the end of the day, the biggest factor in who would win this matchup (and many others) comes down to pilot proficiency and experience. That's a no brainer.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

The Russian pilots have been flying in combat in the Ukraine for over a year now. The F-16 pilots will fress out of the classroom. Flying suicide missions

@jaythomas3224

11 ай бұрын

How can a Ukrainian using western equipment have more experience than a Russian pilot?

@a.k.7840

11 ай бұрын

@@jaythomas3224 enough things are common among aircraft for an experienced pilot to outperform an inexperienced pilot. For example, BFM.

@davidgill3356

11 ай бұрын

@@jaythomas3224 How can a Russian pilot have any experience when all their fuel gets sold on the black market and they can’t keep their equipment maintained.

@ezwansafri8006

11 ай бұрын

At the end of the day, it boils down to who will win the war. I wouldnt put my money on Ukraine, F16 or not.

The R-37 (according to NATO codification AA-13 "Strela", literally "Strela") is a Soviet-Russian long-range air-to-air missile (more than 350 km). And now attention! - (in the export version up to 200 km). The F-16 will not even see the Jumbo Jet on its radar if it launches this Russian R-37 missile from it.

@Kuckerkarlson

11 ай бұрын

It will be followed up by anti radiation weapons. Also this will never happen since the f16 will be used for long range missile strikes with glide bombs. The f16 will be covered by some sort of air cover as well. Su57 isn’t even in service as well.

@MilitaryTalkGuy

8 ай бұрын

exactly, the F16 is a great little jet but is far too easy to target and destroy with long range missiles. This discussion is just for fun as it would never happen. Any F16 flying over Russian territory or even close to russian territory will be shot down easily. The F16 is just a talking point and not really going to help. Just as the abrams is a talking point and in real life will be wiped out quickly. Jet engines do not make good powerplants for tanks when thermal is in play.

They built the Stirling Bomber across the road from here. It came with bomb bays, you had to fly straight and level with the bomb bay doors open before dropping the bombs. In a dog fight you don't plan to fire missiles you get in the right position and fire all in one move. Maneuvering with the missile bay doors open isn't a thing and the delay in opening the doors will cause you to miss the moment. I could understand having ground attack missiles in the missile bay but not air to air.

Great video shipmate (['m former Navy) subscribed and liked...

Hi Neo, I love the breakdown, I saw the thunderbirds at an air show, which was exhilarating, and I got to see an f16 parked up close and man wow! That thing is a personal rocket 💯 truly an amazing aircraft

@muha9062

11 ай бұрын

You are only talking propaganda, American Jets are not better than Russian jets, Russian technology is far more better than the American, American weapons are very poor in performance, so stop your propaganda Lies, even the chines jets are better than the American jets ,

A super good presentation, Neo ! Thanks for the great visuals, too.

I enjoy your very informative presentation. Great job!😊

"Reduced visibility" is how the SU was explained to me

I’m thinking they’ll use the F-16 in ground attack mostly. Not sure they’re going to send em the planes with the AESA radars and latest avionics

Really interested to hear more about why you think the F-16s best chance is a 1 circle fight. I’ve heard over and over how great of a rate fighter the F-16 is and I know the thrust vectoring on the Su-57 will let it point the nose basically on command…I’m not doubting you, would just love to hear more specifics on your thinking!

@hernerweisenberg7052

11 ай бұрын

Probably to minrange the enemies missiles and try to get the other guy to overshoot and shoot him from behind. The problem with 2 circle is you have more seperation, and if the 57 can points its nose across the circle, it can shoot you from across it too. 2 circle would be great for a guns only duel.

@brodykloster2102

11 ай бұрын

To jam the wez, the su57 has wayyy better nose authority than the viper and it could easily get a fox 2 off, which is why you never want to go 2 circle or a rare fight if they have missiles unless you’re infront of them in it, in that case the su57 can easily pull lead and get an off bore fox 2 off (normal jets can’t do to cause they don’t have the nose authority), so jamming the wez basically doesn’t allow you to get a fox 2 off

@steve390gold

11 ай бұрын

In a modern dogfight with a merge, there are no rules, meaning Fox 2s will be employed. You try to enter a 2 circle fight when your opponent has FOX2s (and HOB especially) and you'll die almost instantly every single time. Remember most modern Fox2s are very resistant to countermeasures (flares.) You MUST jam the WEZ (weapons employment zone) when FOX2s are available. In other words, stay so close to the bandit that his missiles can't turn enough to hit you or even proxy Fuze near you. In other words midrange the missiles. Problem is the SU57 can purposely enter a flat spin and kill you effortlessly then exit flat spin with ease....

@Junker_1

11 ай бұрын

@@steve390gold That would be a very risky move to go for a flat spin. If the missile misses you are dead. That would need to be a last effort move.

@denkeylee

11 ай бұрын

How is it even going to get off the runway? It will ingest so much FOD taking off it will crash and burn. Ukrainian/Russian runways are completely different than US.

Fully Upgraded F16 vs Su-57 is like a 90's fully upgraded Honda civic with K24 vs Bugatti Chiron in a race. Nonsense!

No shock here. The F-16 is an antique, the SU-57 is state-of-the-art.

@Cheesusrice69222

11 ай бұрын

Their are 10 of them and kept outside rusting

@jmorrison5206

5 күн бұрын

State of the art in 1989*

The F-16 wins simply by existing as a serviceable aircraft, which the Su-57 doesn't. Glad I could help.

@phillipdavidhaskett7513

11 ай бұрын

A purportedly excellent plane with superior capabilities, that either sits on the ground most of the time because it was designed and built by Russians, or isn't in theater because it's still "on order", isn't exactly going to be a game-changer in Ukraine. The United States has built 4,600 F-16s. How many will end up in Ukraine? Enough.

@richardguardiani8326

11 ай бұрын

The US/NATO have underestimated every weapons system the Russians have. Why is this different? Also, how many weeks of training will the Ukrainians get versus how many months of training do the US/NATO pilots get? This sounds like just another rah rah speech that will end in disappointment, like some tanks I will not mention.

@davidshanahan5134

11 ай бұрын

@@richardguardiani8326 I'd say the West has over-estimated Russian ability to employ the weapons, rather than under-estimated the weapons. Peacetime 6 months training reluctant conscripts getting US$ 30 per month is totally inadequate. One month training in times of war is pathetic. They are simply not up to modern warfare, and the average Russian provincial recruit is technologically illiterate to begin with. This discussion is about F-16 vs SU-57 - one exists as a service aircraft, the other doesn't.

@phillipdavidhaskett7513

11 ай бұрын

@@richardguardiani8326 Russian military hardware is junk, and any system they have that actually works was copied from western Militaries. And you should mention "some tanks", rather than implying the tanks NATO has supplied aren't doing exactly what they're meant to do. Have some been destroyed? Of course. Is the internet awash with video of their turrets flying dozens of meters into the sky as their crews were incinerated? Nope.

@kalgstol

11 ай бұрын

@@davidshanahan5134 lmfao your american exceptionalism is showing

I predict that there will be approximately zero encounters between F 16s and SU 57s. Great video though. I love the discussion about these things.

@puakagrinder2766

11 ай бұрын

Yeah it will be F16 vs S400

@Jaden48108

11 ай бұрын

You never know. The US might just fill their committment to handing over F-16s to the Ukrainians-- something I'm totally against. But if the US finally does deliver we could see such an encounter. Chances are remote, but still possible.

The SU-57 howl sounds like the Vulcan bomber used too.

An independent team has assessed the newly produced su-57s with the ram coatings and they said it is very stealthy, about frontal RCS 0.006 m^2. These findings where discussed in a grim reapers video. This is quite out of data analysis and is probably more based on the prototypes than the production su-57s.

@pogo1140

11 ай бұрын

The SU-57's is showing up on NATO radars at over 200 miles

@dbuckleton

11 ай бұрын

@pogo1140 what su-57 and from what angle

@pogo1140

11 ай бұрын

@@dbuckleton Don't know from what angle, the NATO surveillance planes were flying over Poland when they picked up the SU-57's over in Russia.

@dbuckleton

11 ай бұрын

@pogo1140 RCS varies a lot by angle, a jet actually moving around can be easily detected at times. Early su57 did not have RAM. Early su57 had less optimal intakes and surfaces. Recent analysis of su57 production run by experts concluded it has a very low frontal RCS of 0.006, while they concluded f35 has an even better RCS of 0.002 both jets are very stealthy.

@TheRealL1R

10 ай бұрын

@@pogo1140 could've been flown with Luneburg lenses it was suspected the Chinese did that when they flew J-20s near India

Maybe you can tell me if there's a limiting factor in punching missiles off wings and out of bays? What attitudes must a modern jet be in to let one go? Can they fire them inverted, in a steep bank? I always see videos of games wherein missiles are shot off at what seem to be unrealistic attitudes.

@jimsteinway695

11 ай бұрын

I’m an engineer and used to work at China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center. We test what we called the envelope of when the missiles or bombs can come off. Separation tests . In past aircraft tests we actually lost aircraft because the bomb or missile floated back into the aircraft. Now safety is so important they spend tons of time making sure they come off correctly. The pylons flex the wings bounce when 2000 lbs come off. We had a situation where a Harrier shot itself down because he was traveling faster than the bullets when firing the gun. Then he pulled up into the rounds he fired before. The pilots have to know all these parameters before letting go of their bombs and missiles.

@antonrudenham3259

11 ай бұрын

@@jimsteinway695 Thanks for your reply Jim. So is it possible to safely achieve separation when inverted or in an otherwise extreme attitude? Common sense would tell me that when in a turn the G would help the missile separate but that might be wrong. The RAF used to fly Jaguars with over-wing missiles, how could that possibly work if turning? Yours, puzzled.

@jimsteinway695

11 ай бұрын

@@antonrudenham3259 all great questions. When I was Air Force I used to got to Red Flag in Las Vegas. I remember seeing the Jaguars taxing down the runway to go to the exercise. I know the pilots know exactly what envelope they are in to release their weapons. The wingtip air to air missiles can be released In almost any situation. They propel themselves off the wing under their own power. When bombing the pilots must be in a specific trajectory to get the computer to release the bombs , say in dive toss mode. So no matter what’s going around them they must stay in the trajectory they are in for proper release. For say air to ground missiles the aircraft would have to be in a locked on mode to release. I don’t know if that requires a specific speed etc to release but it’s probably not that complicated because the missile radar is synced with the aircraft radar and release isn’t too complicated. I think the most problematic situations are air to air modes with missiles on pylons or internal on stealth aircraft. I don’t know exactly what the parameters are for release but most modern jets have little explosives called squibs that push the weapon away from the aircraft so a safe release can happen. But I’m sure there are some situations where they can’t release their weapons. The pilots would know this it’s in their aircraft operations manual. Those specific situations are probably classified and your game makers won’t know what those are so they’ll guess. Since you’re intellectually advanced you can see in the game when a release looks awkward. But there are who,e departments that do the engineering, testing and documentation on how each weapon is released from the aircraft. Thanks for asking, brings back nice memories!

@antonrudenham3259

11 ай бұрын

@@jimsteinway695 My pleasure friend, seems we both got something out of this!

Easy : 1 - scout for anything on long rage radar until one F-16 shows 2 - launch the ultra-long range missile 3 - the F-16 explodes 4 - return to point 1

If they are playing their cards right, a Su-57 will meet not one, but two or more F-16. Then team tactics kicks in.

The problem is that your scenario only holds water if the Felon is deployed in Ukraine. It won't.

Max I hope you see this message there is an update of the su 57 rcs The intial measures of t50 prototype were 0.1m2 But recently there is a guy modeled the 57 with all the recent updates (ram. radarblockers...engine...etc) And the conclusion is The rcs of the felon with irst dome open is 0.017m2 With the irst dome closed (full stealth configuration) 0.006m2 Iam not saying its a better than f35 or 22 but it's 5th gen though

@alexfrederick9019

11 ай бұрын

Trust me, the CIA, DIA, DOD, USAF, Navy and NSA (or any of the ~20 intelligence agencies the US runs) already have an inside line. It's what they do. The USAF will know where the enemy is before the enemy knows where we are. If the Ukrainian pilots are tossed a handful of F16s and have no theater assets, it will be just about a fair fight assuming they are given USAF missiles, but with US assets, an SU57 doesn't stand a chance against any US backed jet.

@sg4250

11 ай бұрын

Try saying this info to an American. They will never believe it. They thinks only USA has the gift of making alien invisible jets. Rest others make jets with RCS of the size of buses and trucks.....

@justsain3236

11 ай бұрын

Is RCS measured head on OR does it include the side and back too?

@sg4250

11 ай бұрын

@@justsain3236 RCS is always stated in reference to a particular direction or angle. Like front rcs, side rcs and rear rcs. Front rcs is the standard.

@Mrblueridgeman

11 ай бұрын

@@sg4250 front rcs is “standard “ but insufficient. You need LO from more angles than one to be effective. How’s the SU gonna hide from all the AWACS and other F35 sensors in the air sharing battlespace information?. I think this Russian crap is a paper tiger just like their army in Ukraine. F22’s and F35’s are tested and LO from all angles.

FYI - Just returned from a visit to friends in Russia - visited a Russian Air Force Base and they have taken delivery of 21 BRAND NEW SU-57's - 20 more on delivery within the next 14 months - 32 Air Bases will be equipped with the SU-57 by 2025. Sukhoi is producing 4 aircraft per month now and they are being actively deployed in Russia's Far East bases first. What makes the distinctive sound of the SU-57 is produced by the Engine Air intake Duct design and the unique capability of an active variable bypass ratio of the turbofan. They are 3 engine options for the SU-57 and the development of all 3 is ongoing. The Radar Cross Section of the aircraft is 500 times smaller than the F-16 due to - in development Radar Absorbing Coatings being developed by Zala Aero for the Russian Air Force. The ability to out maneuver the F-16 is already proven because its a better version of the SU-33 which the Indian Air Force flew against the U.S. Air Force in 2008 and achieved a kill ratio of 11 -2 against the F-16 and the F-15. There is NO CONTEST - PERIOD!! as far as Air to Air Maneuverability is concerned. However, Pilot Training and Individual Aggression and Innovation will always be the deciding factor in any Air to Air Encounter. How does the SU-57 achieve its Superior Maneuvrability ?? In addition to the 3D Thrust Vectoring Engine Nozzles the aircraft has High Deflection Wing Leading Edge Strakes that allow rapid air flow directional changes and thus rapid changes in the centre of pressure / lift coefficient of the lifting body - thus allowing extreme directional changes along the aircraft's 3 axis'. In other words - it can temporarily go completely out of control but in a controlled manner in order to achieve maximum "Off Bore Sight" / Point & Shoot / Evasive Action. The F-22 is positively lethargic by comparison and an F-16 will be shot out of the sky forthwith - particularly in Ukraine where the Russian Military has preformed BVR Strike Capability heretofore unmatched in modern warfare. The F-16 with AMRAAM will only be effective against the SU-57 if Highly Experienced American - Israeli or NATO Pilots are in the Cockpit and operate on a "See First -Shoot First" Net Centric Combat Scenario. Otherwise, the SU-57 has the ability to shoot them out of the sky within 3 minutes of them taking off from their bases in Poland or any other of the Baltic States. How So ? The SU-57 deploys a BVR Missile known as the R-37M with a 400 km range. militarywatchmagazine.com/article/longest-ranged-aam-performs-ukraine-su57 This missile has its development origins from the Hughes AIM-54 which the Russian Military Intelligence (GRU) got their hands on in 1979 when a fully equipped F-14 Tomcat was secretly transferred to Russia from the Imperial Iranian Air Force during the Islamic Revolution that saw the fall of the Shah of Iran and the installment of the Radical Islamic Cleric Ayatollah Khomeini. If you think this story is baloney - then I invite you to read this book by Viktor Suvorov - "Inside Soviet Military Intelligence" www.amazon.com/Inside-Soviet-Military-Intelligence-Suvorov/dp/0026155109 Bottom Line Folks - NATO could send 500 F-16's to Ukraine - IT WILL CHANGE NOTHING !! Why Do I Say This ?? 1. It takes 4 years of comprehensive Tactical Red Flag / Foreign Deployment Experience and Training to deliver a Competent Air Combat Pilot capable of operating in a highly contested air space & complex modern warfare scenario. 2. Ukraine does not possess the Trainable Man Power nor the Active Duty Experienced Pilot resources from which to draw the required personnel to even remotely accomplish a competently trained and active operational squadron before 2028. 3. Unless the U.S. and NATO decide to put American - Israeli and NATO Pilots in the F-16's delivered to Ukraine - The combat losses ratio will be precisely what they are now - 10 to 0 4. Russian Air Defense Systems have proven that everything from small hobby drones and aircraft to high altitude high speed missiles can be successfully intercepted and destroyed. 5. If the U.S. and NATO are Stupid Enough to even think of deploying Tactical Nukes on F-16's - Russia will Actively Target every NATO / U.S. Base in Europe - including Naval Carrier Groups in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean with a combined Nuclear Assault up to and not limited to - Major Cities and Economic Infrastructure. I am definitely NOT PRO RUSSIAN - I'm a Facts Only / Scientific Data / Experienced Veteran - We need to get our Asses Back In Line and De-escalate this ongoing Bullshit Proxy Conflict or we will be handed our Very Burnt Smoking Asses on a Platter that says - "From Russia with Love"

@cristianilie4421

11 ай бұрын

Good point, thank you.

@GenghisX999

11 ай бұрын

😭😭😭😭😭NATO

@bobmackey9108

4 күн бұрын

You said it, BALONEY

SU57 is really a vaporware missile truck that exists in even fewer numbers than Ukrainian F-16s.

The F-16s will be a game changer. 20 F-16s against 3 000 Migs. An you say ,"Game changer"

@Paul-zf8ob

4 ай бұрын

Their MIGS are all around Russia. Not near the war area.

@rajeshkumarm6441

2 ай бұрын

Indian Mig shot a Pakistan F16 😀

if F-16 gets the first Su-57 kill, F-22 is gonna be MAD!

@conan670431

11 ай бұрын

22 is very happy poping baloons :)

@pollo4744

11 ай бұрын

The F-22 should be mad cuz the Felon has 2 air to air kills. A Su-27 and Su-24.

@LordMarksman14

11 ай бұрын

That's the thing. Su-57 has more air to air kills than the F-22. 😂

I didnt realize the su was so poor at stealth. If it is so visible then why have internal missile bays? I think the advantage of carrying more missiles on the outside would off set the greater radar visibility

@hernerweisenberg7052

11 ай бұрын

Its probably because of the internal weapons its low observable, otherwise it would be even worse. But tbh those are just random internet numbers, nobody kowns for sure what the RCS is on the Su-57, F-22 and F-35. If you are actually in the know you would proabably go to prison if you reveal the true RCS.

Save yourself 14 minutes: It won’t. In real-life applications the Su-57 is as good as imaginary.

If the Su 57 performs as advertised, then it is a death sentence for any average well trained fighter pilot flying a 4.5th gen fighter to dog-fight against a 5th gen Russian fighter with vectored thrust.

To correct you, Russia has roughly a dozen Su-57’s in service, with more coming out of the factory. Me personally, I don’t believe the F-16 will go up against the Su-57 at all. We’re giving them older F-16’s with mechanical radar and old AIM-120C-5’s. Compared that to the Su-57’s AESA radar and R-77M’s, the F-16 simply stands no chance at a BVR engagement with it. I also don’t believe it would stand well in a dogfight, either. The older F-16 has no high off-bore sight capability, unlike the Su-57, giving the 57 a much greater chance at winning such a dogfight, and combine that with 3D thrust vectoring, I don’t see it winning. Also, about the RCS. I have spoken to a team in Thailand that measures the RCS of military aircraft, and, with the recent, new photos of the Su-57, there appears to be some design changes to help improve the RCS of the aircraft, such as removing exposed rivets, etc, etc. and Russia also claims they’ve added additional RAM coating, too. With this new information, they measured the frontal RCS and it seems now, at least on the newest production models, they put the visibility down to 19.7nm. Also, even with this information, it’s still really difficult to say what the true RCS is, so saying it’s slightly better than the F-16 is pretty naive and mainly just an assumption at this point. You also didn’t list your sources of information for your research on the Su-57, so I’m not really sure why you take what you read as fact, and not as speculation, as so much of this aircraft is still classified. You also said you’re not sure if the Su-57 can even use it’s internal weapons bay as it has, supposedly, not been demonstrated. It’s interesting you say that, as I have seen multiple videos of them successfully using it, and you even used a few videos where they do successfully use it. So.. not sure why you said that, provided that you just showed us evidence of it. Either way, not a very informative video whatsoever. Mostly just bias and poorly done research with blatant assumptions that they use multiple parts from some of their Su-57’s to keep one or two in the air. Never heard of that happening, nor do I see any evidence of such. Another thing that shows your clear bias, is your take on BVR engagements, specifically about what an F-16 should do in it. You failed to mention weaponry, you failed to mention the type of F-16 they’re receiving, and you failed to mention the type of radar. Doesn’t matter how good of a mindset the Ukrainian pilots have, what also matters is their payload and radar. If you got shitty mechanical radar and old AIM-120C-5’s, you won’t do jack shit against an Su-57. Poorly done comparison, let’s be honest. I expected better. I know you’re a die-hard American fanboy, but don’t let that pride cloud your better judgement and common sense.

@skvUSA

10 ай бұрын

It will never come F-16 radar vs Su-27/30/35/57, VKS has AWAKS airborne all the time next to warzone while the nearest NATO AWAKS is 400 mi away. Russia has so many SAMs that they waste S-300 to attack ground targets...

@rebelliousfew

10 ай бұрын

@@skvUSAPrecisely. The use of Russian A-50 AEWACS all over the area would simply be enough for a Su-57 to load up two external R-37M’s, launch it within firing parameters, and let the AEWACS guide it in, and the old F-16 won’t even know what hit him, until it’s too late, since AEWACS has the ability to use TWS.

@MaxAfterburner, If it's true what you say that there's only 2 or 3 Su-57 in Russia's hangars, then there's no point for the Russians to use them against 1970's designed, export version, hand-me-down F-16s flown by fresh Ukrainian pilots with just 90 days of training. Russian Su-27, Mig-29, or Mig-31 with R-77 missiles and flown by Russian pilots who have flown more sorties than the best surviving Ukrainian pilots, are more than enough for the remaining over-hyped F-16s who would survive the S-400 air defense systems.

F-16s have one BIG advantage, they've been used in flights and fights extensively, unlike Su-57.

How about the F-16 v. the B-52? We used to have a lot of fun taking on Vipers at Red Flag back in the 90s.

SU57? That plane will never see battle. It would be much more interesting to see your take on F16 against the actual threats in Ukraine.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

The ignorance on this site is mind blowing!

@sigmaduck69420

11 ай бұрын

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp agree, so blatant, they spit BS nonstop even when reality slap them

@choatus

11 ай бұрын

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp You think russia will use one of its 3 operational SU-57's over Ukraine? LOL what an actual joke!!

@esakoivuniemi

11 ай бұрын

@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp And you just needed to show yours? Hilarious! SU57 is like everything else in Russia - looks good on paper, but in reality it's a big P-OF-S. And since the "everything else" part includes their manufacturing capabilities, they'll be able to produce one plane in a year, at most. But do not despair. Russkies are still quite good at lying, stealing, cheating, murdering and in other similar activities.

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

@@choatus Another brainwashed Yank. Full of shit up his eyeballs. Believes all the lies his pay masters tell him. It's so sad.

F-16s sent are likely to be block 30 or earlier. They are going to be most useful as strike platforms with long range NATO compatible weapons. In a BVR fight against Su-35 and Su-57 flying over Russian air defenses these older F-16s will be at a disadvantage.

@stupidburp

11 ай бұрын

A mix of modern block 3 Super Hornets and Growlers would be better for Ukraine’s dispersed operations. F-16s should be held be held back and used for training and long range strikes. Some should be converted into QF-16 drones and used to draw out Russian aircraft and SAM sites, shoot some, and gradually be lost to attrition while giving Ukraine’s pilots some combat experience from relative safety. Burn through F-16 drones to degrade the Russian forces while standing up increasing numbers of new build Super Hornets over time for manned missions.

@stupidburp

11 ай бұрын

Block 70 F-16s with AESA radars might be able to smash Su-57 in BVR but block 30 F-16 with ancient radars? I don’t think so.

@stupidburp

11 ай бұрын

Circle fights with Sidewinders might be possible with F-16 drones as long as you don’t expect to be flying it back home. Dash in, unleash weapons at all targets, get shot down, start up another drone, do it again. It will burn through a lot of old F-16 airframes but there are a lot of them sitting around in storage. Expensive in materials but could potentially do some significant damage to degrade the Russian forces for manned Ukrainian fighters to engage after the drones run out.

Hey Max, was there a particularly fast blue hedgehog you were trying to catch…?

su 57 also can use off course sight fox 2s and it can get it off earlier because of high AOA capabilities

The Russians actually received another batch of S-57's last week bringing total production to 24 to date. Theres is actually video of it firing a missile from its bays and not pilons... that was like 2 years ago, but the video is blurred due to the classified nature of the test firing. Sukhio is far ahead than you assume. Also, you're focusing on RCS, however, the su-57 is made of composits which reduces its RCS and its coated with special paints to absorb radar waves... Which you failed to mention or even consider. Its Radar can detect multiple targets 400 kms away. The F-16 wouldnt even get to the see the Su-57 before its taken out.

@akeane4814

11 ай бұрын

Yep Russia has loads of su57 know

@brettk9316

11 ай бұрын

Russians lie haven't you learned that F-16 would probably make mincemeat of them!

@orestmakar8562

11 ай бұрын

@@akeane4814No it doesn’t. Stop lying

@sg4250

11 ай бұрын

Americans are know to be assuming a lot of things that favour them. This youtuber is just one of them.

@francisverhelst9375

11 ай бұрын

Can they fly ? Sorry, but russians always lie… before the war, they even pretended to have an army… but we now see it is a bunch of criminals

BTW, wouldn't SU57's thrust vectoring make it super tight in 1 circle? I could be wrong but I've always thought f16 excels in 2 circle at the "rate speed" over virtually everything.

@ArrKayCee

11 ай бұрын

Yes, to an extent. It should have very good nose-on capability, and if it has the upgraded engines (and the Russians aren't lying about their performance) it should have the thrust to trade energy for aoa and still be able to recover. It's very large and heavy though, so If it doesn't have enough engine behind it, it'll just slow itself down until it needs to maneuver for speed. You're also right about the F-16 being near unbeatable in a 2 circle rate fight.

@hernerweisenberg7052

11 ай бұрын

Its due to avoid seperation. In a one circle you can keep so close it cant shoot missiles at you, so maybe you can get an overshoot. in 2 circle you have a lot more seperation when you race around that circle, and the 57 could probably just point its nose across and shoot a missile.

@oldfrend

11 ай бұрын

problem with thrust vectoring is it kills your airspeed. we've flown mock air combat against Indian air force su-30 variants and their thrust vectoring was really no big deal.

@hernerweisenberg7052

11 ай бұрын

@@oldfrend If you had airspeed, you wouldn't need thrust vectoring for a tight turn since you would still have enough air going over your control surfaces to maneuver. But if you go one circle, you want to get as slow as possible in the first turn, so the opponent overshoots, then point your nose, where your thrust vectoring will help with since youre so slow now, and shoot the other guy in his ass. Isnt that right?

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp

11 ай бұрын

@@ArrKayCee These Su-57's won't be dog fighting. That went out >50-years ago in Vietnam

Those Saturn engines are a work of art.

In my personal view the SU57 is the best fighter on the planet

@benny_two_tacos

11 ай бұрын

Yes and I'm sure you have way more knowledge than an actual fighter pilot 😂

@ABSDEFRD

11 ай бұрын

@@benny_two_tacos Yes actually I have

@benny_two_tacos

11 ай бұрын

@@ABSDEFRD lmao

I think MiG-31 is a much more likely opponent for F-16. Would like to hear your take on that comparison.

@hoomanostovar

11 ай бұрын

Both Su-57 and MiG-31 radars and weapons greatly outrange F-16, its not even close.

@BlackPlague1966

11 ай бұрын

@@hoomanostovar If the F-16 has AWACS, it won't matter. The AWACS can feed it it's radar data from datalink.

@Max_Da_G

11 ай бұрын

@@BlackPlague1966 The moment that happens, that AWACS is shot down, whoever it belongs to. Ukraine doesn't have an AWACS and noone in NATO is going to be THIS directly involved unless they want bodies flown back in.

@LB-oz9hv

11 ай бұрын

​@@BlackPlague1966AWACS would be wiped out by air defense.

@dracoboomin6511

11 ай бұрын

nah the mig 31s havent been used as fighters, mainly target destroyers. The F-16 will have to fight the SU35 SM.

I heard a similar stories how the German "Leopard" tank will become a _"game changer"_ in Ukraine. In fact, *in the real world,* starting from June 2023 Russian museums are massively sending applications for wrecked "Leopard" tanks as exhibits. After that Ukrainian military received a command from Germany not to use the remaining "Leopard" tanks anywhere even close to the front line. They say it is bad from marketing point of view. So, in short, it is very good tank, but it should not be used anywhere close to the front line. Also, initially there was some demand from Russian museum for "Bradley" armored vehicles, but they were knocked out by Russians in such a large numbers that no one wants these as exhibits any more. No museum value, at all.

@vilim3897

11 ай бұрын

Spot on mate!... If they've got any brains they'll keep the F16's away from the front line as well.... Been around for 50 years.

@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND

11 ай бұрын

Your remarks about the Bradley are not true. And I'm more than a little suspicious of your remarks about the Leopard. You're obviously a Putin fanatic.

@festekj

11 ай бұрын

@@USS-SNAKE-ISLANDyou work for the intel services

@FirstNameLastName-hy1pf

11 ай бұрын

@@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND , _> "Your remarks about the Bradley are not true. And I'm more than a little suspicious of your remarks about the Leopard. You're obviously a Putin fanatic."_ Saying "true" or "not true" is not enough. For reasoned communication, you need to give arguments, and not get personal nor discuss your opponent. Try again.

@ironnads7975

11 ай бұрын

That has been proven to not be true. Only 2 Leopard tanks have been destroyed....you are getting your news from a very biased source.

Very interesting thanks for sharing 😊

thnxs for the report

Air dominance is the issue. How will the F-16 give control of the air over the battlefiled, if at all possible? Since the SU-57 is unlikely to be in the fight, what are the chances of the F-16 against its most likely opponents, as well as how the F-16 will fare against Russian ground-based anti-aircraft assets?

@KondorDCS

11 ай бұрын

About as good as the german Leopard tanks did against russian ATGMs...whether man portable or gunship launched. And that's not even mentioning the 35k dollar drones that disable these multi million dollar machines with a single hit.

@pogo1140

11 ай бұрын

@@KondorDCS More like about as well, or better than the MiG-29A's that the Ukrainians have been flying. Which, if you fly below 200ft, means you can fly over the battle lines.

This is beyond preposterous, level 9000 in coping. F-16 is older than me, and my hair is grey. Even in its prime F-16 could not be used for air superiority. There won't be any dogfights, F-16 will be downed from 100 miles away.

The Su-57 in total comprises maybe 25 aircraft by the end of 2024. I doubt it wil have a major impact in this war.

tks MAX!!!! U R SUCH A GREAT GUY!

with Russian super figther "SU35" , they will never scrambling "Felon" for dogfight, even BVR, because in theoretical in dogfight and BVR, "SU35" has more advantage against "F16"

@shaunvduke

11 ай бұрын

Theoretical. The F16 is real and known to be effective. 42 years in combat missions... The Russians just say they are.

@a_s_mikael

11 ай бұрын

@@shaunvduke In theory, the advantages of airplanes are always taken into account, and it is considered that an airplane is piloted by a pilot with equal skills, and such advantages and weaknesses of airplanes are compared and finally it is concluded which airplane can win But in practice everything is different, in practice it is even possible for a Raptor to be negligent and be shot down by a 3rd generation fighter, in Syria the Raptor was flying when it was reported that one Russian Sukhoi 35 scrambled to intercept it, which immediately circled and Back to base, because in theory nothing is predictable. Now, according to its manufacturers and American and European experts, the Russian Sukhoi 35 has a relative superiority over the F16 in theory.

I've seen F16 pull some crazy "powered" moves to bring that nose around on target...I suspect something similar might be the type of moves it would make in a rate fight...Would the SU57 loose too much energy or stability in a rate fight when employing its vectored thrust to bring the nose on target?

@Mr.T.MBA.

11 ай бұрын

That could be true. When Thrust Vectoring the planes have to go slow, which when talking to fighter pilots they say that losing speed in a dog fight is a way to lose the fight. So while the SU 57 can thrust vector, you have to be slow enough to do it without ripping the plane apart or blacking out the pilot due to the G's. Most of this is all unknowns until we see some action between the two. Wish they could just sign some treaty with each other and stop the fighting, but that most likely won't happen until the people get sick of fighting and losing their fellow countrymen to a war.

@julienckjm7430

11 ай бұрын

​​@@Mr.T.MBA.The lose the speed = lose the fight concept only applies to a guns only dogfight. In Fox 2 fight, the speed isn't that important. Nose position is much more crucial (Just like a stationary air defence missile system can shoot down a Mac 2 fighter jet ). And when it comes to nose position, thrust vectoring engines rule. So the rate speed of the F16 will only come in handy when the Su-57 has used all of its missiles. Or maybe, when the fight has already been dragged down on the deck. But to bring the fight down on the deck, the F16 must lead the Su-57, which means when dropping the nose it will open too many angles for the Su-57 which will get to its 6 o'clock. And with a missile in hand, good luck escaping to the rate fight. The F16 won't even have enough time to transition to the rate fight when dragging the Su-57 on the deck.

@sidharthcs2110

11 ай бұрын

Sounds like suicide

@user-cb2df9zy6d

11 ай бұрын

Su 27 can do things that make f 16 simply fall apart.

@user-cb2df9zy6d

11 ай бұрын

And the "Mig" 31 flies much higher than the ceiling of f 16, it is heavier, there are many missiles, the radar is powerful.

Could we see a video on the Eurofighter typhoon vs 4th gen fighters and the history