Unlock content and upgrade your security with Private Internet Access at www.piavpn.com/Ziroth for 83% off and 4 extra months FREE! Thanks for the comments so far, here are some points to hopefully clear up some things: - This liquid would not be 'used up' after discharge, it can be recharged either in or out of the video with (clean) electricity - This technology is not any more favorable to big oil companies than current batteries are - Great points about the issues of extra moving parts, this does add an extra failure point and would make this less attractive for passenger vehicles - I think the main use case could be for large utility or airborne vehicles where current batteries are not feasible - There are more details in the sources about the composition of the liquids, but they are relatively well understood at lab scales (nothing magic!)

@carmichaelmoritz8662

Жыл бұрын

The big companies are trying to squeeze as much money out of us as possible through the use of regular rechargeable batteries. They withhold certain technologies!

@hardcoregaming4118

Жыл бұрын

Please adding a hindi audio track because most of this are indian Audience can watch your videos but can't understand 😢

@trevorberridge6079

11 ай бұрын

Large utility and airborne vehicles are already being developed to run on batteries. The 44 ton land train trucks in Australia (so big they are illegal in Europe) are already being used after battery electric conversions. Giant 50 ton quarry trucks that carry over 70 tons of material are in use. They generate all the power they need with regenerative braking and have no real need to be re-charged or re-fuelled externally. There are already full-sized all electric ferries in operation. And of course all electric trains are nothing new. All this and a battery energy density of over 700wh per kg now being achieved at a cost of $50 per kwh makes the need for this liquid a lot more limited than you make out.

@Ace-nq4cp

6 ай бұрын

Hi! New to the channel! have you done any videos covering sustgainability of battery component sustainability/carbon footprint, or even the landscape of harvesting resources for them(and maybe realities of the fasilities extracting those resources, including for workers there. :) ) I've heard a lot of conversation and various accounts, and would love more data :)

About fifty years ago, I read an article in a science magazine predicting the batteries that could be charged by fluid replacement would make electric cars feasible. I'm still waiting for those batteries.

@leotoussaint8872

Жыл бұрын

Stay young my friend.

@carmichaelmoritz8662

Жыл бұрын

The big companies are trying to squeeze as much money out of us as possible through the use of regular rechargeable batteries. They withhold certain technologies!

@olivertigno9026

Жыл бұрын

@@leotoussaint8872 I will as well

@MinusMedley

Жыл бұрын

@@carmichaelmoritz8662 Nah that kind of thinking is purely driven by conspirator speculation, instead you should realise that all this technology is still relatively new when looking at all of human history. Technology has a direct impact on poverty, if those hidden technologies were really that advanced, you and I would not have to wake up every morning to go to work. They can already print money they don't need us for that.🤣

@JohnDoe-nq4du

Жыл бұрын

The breakthrough that's gonna make lithium-ion batteries obsolete has been within a year of market since the mid-1990s.

This is why I love this channel. Brings to light technologies that I haven't heard of or are unfamiliar with and gives a wholistic analysis on pros, cons, and possible outcomes. Been a subscriber since Day 1 and I'm still loving it!

@ZirothTech

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the kind words! Thank you :D

@MrBenski81

Жыл бұрын

That's because, cough, almost everything reported on here is BULLSHIT. Oh... Cough.Fkn plebs

Thanks so much for doing this one! I was happy to see LFR batteries gaining ground industrially, but those new insights from Influit et al is very exciting!

I seen something like this a few years ago, good to see its come along way.

Just found this channel, loving it so far.

Did something quite similar back in 75 via high school science fair project.

allready subscribed love the way you exsplain how things work

Super interesting new technology - I'd never heard of it! Thanks!

Amazing content from such a bright young mind. Love it 🎉 well done. Excellent presentation skills and great in-depth explanation

Nice idea. It could work! Thanks for the news.

I did not know that. Thanks for the video!

Thanks-That was Awesome! I definitely Subscribed👍😉🇨🇦

There is nowhere else that I ear about incredible technologies like that. Thx for that 👍🏻

Fabulously well made film 😊

Just a note. Li+ is currently doing 285Wh/kg commercially (Ford cars battery) and 500Wh/kg in the lab. Please update your clip with the correct figures. It is not 100Wh/kg anymore. This number was like 5 centuries ago.

Keep up the great work dude would love to see a follow up to this once more data is available

Nice idea, I'd like to know the cycle live of the fluid wouldn't there be a quality issues at the filling stations mixing varying quantities of different aged fluids though there live cycles.

@ZirothTech

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting point, I could definitely see this being something they will need to put a lot of thought into

@LabGecko

Жыл бұрын

From what I've read the liquid components don't degrade on their own. Perhaps pump wear or contaminants could reduce the liquid's energy transfer capability or rate, but by itself it is stable and can last 20+ years easily. In commercial / industrial systems only minor maintenance is needed every few years.

@LifeAsARecoveringPansy

Жыл бұрын

The only issue I see with this is intentional contamination. They will have to track who used it last to deter bad actors with penalties.

@carmichaelmoritz8662

Жыл бұрын

They have similar batteries that the general public cannot afford. They produce electricity when you pump hydrogen into them!

@carmichaelmoritz8662

Жыл бұрын

The big companies are trying to squeeze as much money out of us as possible through the use of regular rechargeable batteries. They withhold certain technologies!

This system may solve our long haul trucking issue. But it would need massive changes for flight. Currently flight plans are calculated with the loss of fuel during the flight. The plane gets lighter as it expends fuel. Keeping the fuel onboard will make long flights less achievable.

@Kujeful

Жыл бұрын

I like the idea too. I want to point out, that logistics overall is suffering from sunken costs in investments, and needs a solution to address lifetime costs. Supposing energy would become cheap the cheapest alternative may be to keep the current global fleet and start using synthethic fuels throughout that are produced with the cheap electricity. Electricity would just have to be 10x-100x cheaper. My argument simply put is that rather than adding new features the solution should be holistic. I can't see all vehicles being transformed to electric driven cars as a budget friendly option.

@TheInternetBanana

Жыл бұрын

​@Lukasz Jozwiak The problem isn't the cost but the weight you are carrying.

@dianapennepacker6854

Жыл бұрын

Yeah let us not be dumping that crap in the atmosphere haha. For a second I was like how is this different then regular fuel - I wasn't thinking. You are correct flights are calculated by the amount of fuel and then average the fuel spent during travel. It is always a catch .22 in terms of design - people are like why don't they just carry more fuel! Well because you weigh more at take off so you're using fuel to carry fuel. Hence drop tanks versus conformal tanks in fighters. Both have their benefits and why aerial refueling is such a game changer for the military. Edit ( Or why rockets use stages even if they could have an efficient magical rocket throughout the flight envelope.)

@steveb365

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. Gas turbines are relatively inefficient, so it has promise. The main issue would be that existing aviation hydrant systems are designed for one-way flow. This would require a doubling of infrastructure and, perhaps novel piping solutions.

@JenkemSuperfan

Жыл бұрын

It's definitely more of an alternative to li-ion than jet fuel

Awesome idea!

This is the first time I have heard of liquid flow batteries. Fascinating stuff. I look forward to seeing future developments of the technology.

@nubee2bee580

Жыл бұрын

I've been getting ads about investing in 'a' company for more than a year, but this I the first I've seen any details about it. Now, I'm more interested.

@Joe-lb8qn

Жыл бұрын

They are currenty being installed in Australia for longer term storag eand have been around quitea while. First time ive seen them mentioned for transport.

@carmichaelmoritz8662

Жыл бұрын

The big companies are trying to squeeze as much money out of us as possible through the use of regular rechargeable batteries. They withhold certain technologies!

@carmichaelmoritz8662

Жыл бұрын

They have similar batteries that the general public cannot afford. They produce electricity when you pump hydrogen into them!

@seanpeacock5595

Жыл бұрын

@@carmichaelmoritz8662 say it a few more times……

Great video !

I have heard about this for YEARS, and so far, NO positive results. I hope that something positive does happen.

Really interesting stuff!

Love the videos, super interesting stuff! Keep it up!

+1 to see the liquids mix.

what a time to be alive!

There is a company called Nanoflocell that has been using this tech since 2016 or there abouts. Very cool none the less, and I hope it gains some traction.

Love this channel. I've learnt so much. And everything is explained so well, that even a dunce like me can understand!

Thank you for no click bait

Cant wait for the year i can use this on my fpv longrange planes

Great video

I could get on board with this.

Back in the early 80's Eagle Pitcher was playing with this technology, the had a small fleet of converted VW's they ran around Joplin, Mo.. Seemed like a good idea, guess it was to soon back then.

honestly I was thinking about this long time ago without even knowing that someone is already working on it....

Come up with a battery powerful enough to exchange like replacing a flashlight batteries. This would make charging so much easier and less time consuming.

A Tesla mod-Y recharges from near empty to full charge at a supercharger station in about 15-20 minutes. Buy the time you go to a gas station, wait in line to access a pump, then fill your tank, the time difference is not that much. Also, over 97% of you charging is done at home. You plug your car in that evening, and tomorrow morning, it is ready to go another 235 miles.

I wonder about how long the fluid lasts before it needs to be replaced or revitalized. Can it be recycled, and at what cost?

@LabGecko

Жыл бұрын

From what I've read these liquids currently in use can last 30 years. They're in use in industrial setups, but are different from the nanofluid Ziroth talked about in that their energy density is lower. But the cool thing is to get more energy storage capacity, you just add more liquid. I'm excited to see how the nanofluid holds up to that ideal.

Would toroidal propellers be an option for a highly efficient pump for these electrolyte solutions, or is the fluid to viscous?

Definitely interesting.. But why not make a smaller, compact, portable and interchangeable battery that we can unplug from our car with ease, replace it with a fresh one and just recharge the other one with our off grid solar charger?.. Why do you think?.. Think about it..

@LabGecko

Жыл бұрын

A key component of vanadium redox liquid flow is that to get more energy you need more liquid, and that volume of liquid can only be compressed so much. Maybe one day they'll get the nanofluid to a point what you ask is possible, but I don't think that's likely for a while. But if they can hit those energy densities in their white paper? Yeah, I think then it'd be great for it.

I was wondering when corporations were going to see this. Charging a battery is no different than pumping steam into a tank, have it condense into water, then turning it back into steam for usage. Extremely inefficient. This is why a dense form of electricity is needed. Just like gasoline is a dense form of heat. Redox Flow batteries are a close to ideal foundation to build on. It just makes better sense.

I have zero issue charging my Tesla electric car, it's so easy to plan and it's straightforward. The charging was so quick that I only needed 5 minutes before I continue with the trip. The gas vehicle, however, have problem with it. We recently bought a used 30 ft gas RV to drive it home, I quite literally ran out of gas while in middle of the intersection (the engine stalled), I have so much more range anxiety because it doesn't display how many miles I have left in range, the gas gauge is so vague, and it's such a hassle to go to the nearby gas station. It was a scary experience.

@randycrump5464

Жыл бұрын

Do you not know how to read a fuel gauge?

@AdamIverson

Жыл бұрын

@@randycrump5464 the fuel gauge was low, but I have no idea how low. I got paranoid and was on my way to gas station, but I ran out of gas before I can even make it to gas station. I was surprised that it didn't have any buffer whatsoever.

@jp5000able

Жыл бұрын

Going to a gas station isn't a hassle and certainly not scary. I can fill up my car in a few minutes and it lasts me for two weeks.

Great! Could even use sea water 💦 to drive around town. Exciting news!

Their nozzle could use a little rethink, but the overall concept really does look promising.

@ethankeon8152

Жыл бұрын

What is wrong with the nozzle?

@roberthoople

Жыл бұрын

@@ethankeon8152 I've used those type of liquid quick-connects they have on the fill-nozzle, and those normally require a good amount of force to push into place when it's just one connection. Four of them that all have to click into place at the same time, would be a challenge for most people. As an inventor type person, I can already imagine a few better ways to do this, with less force and less complexity.

@ethankeon8152

Жыл бұрын

@@roberthoople ah he’s true it would be an absolute headache if you couldn’t get them all to line up. They could just have the four pipes built inside of a singular pipe housing to look like a regular pump however just larger

@roberthoople

Жыл бұрын

@@ethankeon8152 Yup, I was thinking something similar to that too. Almost like a stereo headphone jack, but for liquid... It'd be a tricky design to get right, but I'm sure it could be done... Might even mess around in CAD myself and see what I can come up with.

@FloatTheBuizel

9 ай бұрын

​@@roberthoopleim curious if you did come up with anything?

I didn't hear you mention whether the touted energy density is for the fluid solutions or for the entire power system, since lithium ion batteries don't require pumps, tanks, or external proton exchange modules. This is a common tactic in hydrogen power, where only the energy density of the hydrogen is advertised, ignoring the heavier storage and transfer equipment. The idea is that if you have 20,000kwh in a load leveling system then the other equipment is basically immaterial, but that's not the case for cars or aircraft.

Vanadium resources are not geographically constrained; however, the production of vanadium is. In 2020, China (61.6%), Russia (20.9%), South Africa (9.5%), and Brazil (7.7%) accounted for nearly all global vanadium production

E X C E L L E N T VIDEO ! I Subbed.

This would make *far* more sense than what we have now. Electric vehicles will *never* become popular once people find out they have to replace the batteries every few years for $10k plus. This is already becoming evident as electric car enthusiasm is cooling (mine as well). In addition to the environmental cost of disposing/replacing worn out batteries. If replacing a battery is just going to a refilling station and getting a refill/fluid change (IF IT CAN BE DONE CHEAPLY) it's a night and day difference. Add to that the increased energy densitity vs. current lithium batteries and near instant recharge it makes this a no brainer.

this could be huge, hope it works in mass production

I had heard of flow batteries previously as an option for renewable energy storage. But that was a few years ago. I haven't heard anything recent. Is there a problem with it? What's the status on cost competitiveness vs. other energy storage?

@johnramirez5032

Жыл бұрын

I read that the flow batteries are targeting companies the are stationary. The systems last at least 25 years with little maintenance. There is a week link and that is the sepperator. I haven't heard of this gen 2 model. War tecknology does have commercial bennifits like wd40. Space endustries also have spin-offs. One thing like superconductors could really help.

@MrGregrice

Жыл бұрын

Ate you thinking about the vanadium redox flow batteries that, after the U.S. taxpayers funded the research, the rights were sold to a Chinese company? Their upside for stationary storage is that they have decades long service lives. The downside is their low energy density. I hope this guy is right about boosting their energy density with enough of a difference in chemistry and design to bring the patents back under U.S. control.

@johnramirez5032

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGregrice i think its the same tecknology but there trying a nano tecknology to get more density. Someone is gonna crack the code. I know there are different flow batteries with different chemistries. The metal battery look very promising for some applications

@HeavyRayne

Жыл бұрын

This is my question too. Though on the energy storage side it looks like things have been moving forward quietly. There's a small scale system commercially operating in the UK. China commissioned an 800MWh storage facility last year, which apparast to still be happening, tho the US company they were working with filed for bankruptcy. And California is building 3 over the next 3 years.

@LabGecko

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGregrice It wasn't US research. It was Australian. The reason it didn't take off is because by the time they finalized their tech and published other battery types were needed for small size and fast charging, while vanadium liquid flow needs volume for an equivalent amount of energy storage and charges slower. The nanofluids could change that.

what is the power capacity of this liquid per kg?

What are the costs compared to contemporary options?

This will be great for stationary energy storage, and _maybe_ for long-haul trucking, but a complete non-starter in passenger vehicles. With traditional lithium ion, we already have sub-20min charging times on highway rest stops for 20% to 80% capacity today, and by the end of the decade, we may be approaching 10 minutes. At that point, the car will be ready before the driver finished stretching their legs and going to the loo. This system will also have to compete with the much lower price points of sodium-ion tech and sulfur cathodes, all while having to carry extra equipment and having a lower roundtrip efficiency. Finally, if filling up at the pump is just an option for when charging takes too long, we will see these pumps only along highways and nowhere else, because there won't be sufficient demand anywhere else to make it economically feasible. So this won't even save jobs in local petrol stations.

@SinkingPoint

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if I've ever in my life spent 10 minutes in a petrol station. This tech could make filling an EV as convenient and familiar as filling an ICE. Two things people are willing to pay for. You're overlooking another advantage this has for petrol stations (or rather energy stations?). Depending on demand and the size of the reservoir, the fluid could be charged only when electricity is at its cheapest. When the fluid is in low demand they could even discharge from it to power conventional charging stations at times when grid power is expensive.

@Mr.Engine993

Жыл бұрын

Super fast charging kills lithium ion batteries and that's probably not going to change with newer technologies. The faster you charge it, the less it will last. And the last thing you want is to spend 25 grand every 5 years for a battery. Not to mention the queue in super fast charging stations. The electric car concept is fundamentally flawed so I see room for this invention. But these (over)promising high-density batteries will likely never make it into production like other technologies that promised to render l-ion batteries obsolete. The reason is of course high cost and/or low efficiency. In the end, we don't have to put batteries in everything. Hydrogen-powered generators inside the car that power an electric motor sounds inefficient but it's simple, reliable, refills fast and you won't need to spend a fortune every five or so years.

@PhazonBlaxor

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Engine993 Hydrogen cars sound inefficient - because they are. They also have way less usable space because hydrogen tanks need to be huge. EV batteries last way longer than 5 years, where are you pulling this nonsense from? It's more like 15 to 20 years according to recent studies and projections.

@Mr.Engine993

Жыл бұрын

@@PhazonBlaxor there are two types of hydrogen cars: 1) those that burn hydrogen to directly move the drivetrain. Those are ridiculously inefficient. 2) those that burn hydrogen to power a generator that then powers an electric motor. These need smaller tanks and could be daily practical vehicles. Any Li-ion/Li-po battery lifetime depends on how you treat it. You can make a phone battery die in a year or it could take five years. With faster charging and discharging the lifetime of the battery is reduced. If you continuously use a super-fast charger, the battery could very well die in 5-7 years. If you tend to use slower chargers and only use a super-fast one from time to time, yes they can last a lot longer. But we can't have both long lifetime and fast charging. This is what a car company wants you to believe in order to sell you their car. But the more you utilize one of the benefits, the more you lose from the other one

@PhazonBlaxor

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Engine993 They are still huge and inefficient no matter if you drive electric motors with it (that's the variant I was talking about you know). Watch Engineering Explained, he has good videos on the subject that dive into the actual math and some of the major problems hydrogen in general has. Fast charging itself doesn't degrade batteries, it's the heat, which can be dealt with like we have done in phones. Which is why I always fast charge my phones - the batteries are just fine. Besides, most people who own an EV prefer home charging most of the time anyways, because it's cheaper and more convenient. I mean, why waste time and go to a "gas station" if your car is always "filled" when you wake up in the morning? Might sound like a small time saving, but those gas station visits add up.

This is all well and good; but I didn't see how you would be 'using' the fuel, would we be recycling the fluid? by that I mean, it doesn't seem like the 'fuel' would be gone, just not charged. So does this mean you would need to have your current 'fuel' drained before replacing it with 'charged' fuel?

This all sounds cool as hell, but assuming it is actually fully developed, viable, and adopted i wonder what the ecological implications of the fluids could be. There's additionally the possibility of differing ecological results from charged fluid spills and uncharged fluid spills.

This way you need to rely on oil company's and other corporations to recharge your battery, oppression once again. Such a GENIUS technology.

While it's interesting there's far too many variables left out of this story to give it much traction from future developers. Without knowing the chemical makeup of this "mystery" fluid we can't even guess at the probability of it working in weather extremes such as heat and cold tolerances or it's reaction to absorption or loss of water while being stored, transferred or during it's heating and cooling cycles. How toxic is this fluid? How abundant are the materials this fluid is made from? Does it require constant mobility to keep the particles in suspension? I have many more questions but I think I've made my point.

@LabGecko

Жыл бұрын

Do a little more searching. This tech (Vanadium redox liquid flow, without the nano fluids) has been around a long time in industrial energy storage.

When the cathode and anode mix you get a hypergolic rocket engine

Neat! But one thing you didn't touch on that I'm curious about is the power density (Watts per (volume or mass unit)) of these batteries and how that compares to the standard lithium chemistry (liion & lipo) batteries of today.

Is the fluid "electrically charged" or is it a chemical reaction generating electricity (the same as a battery but with liquid reactants)?

@danielstapler4315

Жыл бұрын

I think it is a chemical reaction AND the fluid is charged with electrons which can be given up.

Vanadium? This is used in some steels to make them more flexible and capable of being distorted more and then returning to their original shape -- such as with the best springs. Vanadium is not cheap, though. How much will this cost?

Brilliant

Right. But what ahppens after one just pisses in your fuel tank? Wouldn't want to be randomly refueled by that...

Maybe something for freight shipping or even the Indian Pacific or Ghan trains.

Now you’re talking. I’ve always said if they can come up with a technology for batteries that could pretty much deliver what I have now with my diesel powered truck - then I’d be on board. I tow a heavy camper, sometimes long distance, and a boat, long distance. So having an EV pickup truck just isn’t feasible for us. But with technology like this that has the potential to deliver what I am capable of now, count me in. I’ve never been fully opposed to the idea of using cleaner power, the entire world (people) and the earth absolutely benefits from that. We might even see the cancer rates decrease in the future because of it. But right now, as it stands, battery technology just doesn’t cut it when it comes to RANGE. With tech like what’s in this video, I am absolutely on board. We all know electric delivers way more torque, which is exactly what a guy like me needs, but the combination of torque and stored power density has been elusive up until now. Can’t wait to see what the future holds with this !

How well do they operate in cold temperatures.

@LabGecko

Жыл бұрын

Well, Sweden recently purchased a massive amount of vanadium redox batteries for their grid storage, so... probably not bad. :)

I can't find any mention of the c rate which is pretty important when considering whether this can be a feasible replacement to li-ion batteries.

@TheTimmy4745

2 ай бұрын

my uneducated guess is that the C rate is not relevant. the limit with lion batteries is the deterioration of the cell walls as well as the heat from inefficiencies. given its a fluid, just slap a radiator onto the system and crank the amps to 11.

@CaseyDarwin

2 ай бұрын

@@TheTimmy4745 The c rate is important for any battery hoping to be used in an electric vehicle. It dictates how fast the energy can be pulled out and thus used for high power applications.

@TheTimmy4745

2 ай бұрын

@@CaseyDarwinThat it is a liquid makes me think that the C rate will be very high. Actually while i was typing that last sentance I just had a thought, how are they handling electrolysis.

@CaseyDarwin

2 ай бұрын

@@TheTimmy4745 how does it being liquid equate to a high c rate? By that logic solid state batteries should be super slow.

@TheTimmy4745

2 ай бұрын

@@CaseyDarwinin the context of li-ion batteries, if charging them too fast can damage the anode/cathode, then the liquid can not be damaged the same way. if it can be drained/refilled then the only limit is how hot the fluid can get without decomposing.

Okay? Where is the fluid exchange port?

The most convenient part of passenger electric cars is being able to charge at home so I doubt it would take over that market unless it is also rechargeable.

Any figures on energy and power density ?

Combine recharge the car with shopping 30 Minutes are common and in the majority of cases enough. 15m² for one parking lot and around a mall or Supermarket its huge. 15÷7,5=2kwp 2x6 =12 one charging Station 11kw

is it the same with Pocari Sweat (Liquid Electrolyte) ?

well it has been 10 months now and we are in 2024 so any updates on gen 2 ?

What is more dangerous on a individual user level and a macro level (extracting, refining, exposure, spillage) for the planet: Vanadium pentoxide or gasoline/diesel? If a tanker of this Vanadium fluid spilled, how bad is it for the environment versus a gas tanker accident?

"Its pure capacitance gel! - Demolition Man 1993

What about weather can it work in any kind of weather?

Instead of flow batteries why not have a solar redox battery that uses sunlight in a redox reaction to recharge the battery using a clear conductive electrode.

4-5x increase in power density sounds suspect. Whats the C rating for charging and discharging for stationary system and whats effiency for charging and discharging? If it takes 2kilowatt to put 1 kilowatt inside and then you only get 750watt out then its a bit useless. Whats cycle rate? LiFePo4 is. 6000 cycles, LTO is like 20-30.000 cycles.

This is the literal replacement for the oil industry as we know it today if this can perform as advertised. No need for huge battery banks. It can be transported via trucks or possibly pipelines, you don't lose mass like you would with coal, oil or natural gas, and if you have enough converters, you can provide megawatts of power centrally yet generate the power remotely via satellite generation. Wind and Solar would actually become viable as an alternative to fossil fuels because this fluid also acts as a battery. While Nuclear would still be viable as a backup power supply in the case of natural disasters or whatnot, they wouldn't be necessary. It's quite literally liquid electricity. So long as it's easy to create en masse and safe for transport... This is it. The power of the future. Liquid sunlight as it were, lol. I really hope this works.

@charon7320

9 ай бұрын

ahem, nuclar is the only viable option.

So where does the vanadium come from and at what cost ?.

@the-niker

3 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter, there would be a finite amount of fuel required at any given time, it's reusable.

I took it as an April fools joke, getting this on April 1st. As if the fuel IC cars are a good alternative to the problems of the EV. Flow batteries, OK. Another great invention that can do anything but to get out of the laboratory.

Ev's probably need two batteries. One quick charge, or what Honeywell invented with mechanical energy conversion, then a battery to feed motor if necessary. That might be trickle charged. Possibly two batteries to feed motors. Probably a hundred lbs for each, then the quick charge batteries can probably be pretty light, relatively to gas cars.

Ouch, the race for batteries to make cars more and more efficient, I say yes if it's to put them in cars weighing less than 1 metric ton.

Can the spent fluid be released to the atmosphere or is it toxic?

@lolbots

11 ай бұрын

look at that color Paul, it screams toxic

It would be interesting to compare with the energy density of conventional fuel, as that has been the main limitation for aeronautic applications.

@stusue9733

Жыл бұрын

It has? Even if you could get the same energy density, unless your "liquid" is cheap enough and safe enough to dump after it has been used you are going to have limited range.

@XB10001

Жыл бұрын

@@stusue9733 that the point of the density. At equal densities, and efficiency, you get the same range. Why do you think there are not many electric planes?

@stusue9733

Жыл бұрын

@@XB10001 Not at all. Equal densities means you have the same power for the same weight, but as I said in my last comment unless you dump the "liquid" overboard as you use it your aircraft weight stays the same and you have to carry it for the whole trip, once fuel is burnt its gone. Planes can 1. take off with a lot more weight than they can land with. 2. Aren't landing with the fuel they used for takeoff and the trip. So if you aren't dumping your liquid you have lower range because of taking off at your max landing weight and lower range because your landing weight is the same as your takeoff weight. There would even be a range hit from not being able to fly as high.

@XB10001

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@@stusue9733 not all of them. The 737 take off and landing limits are the same. I see what you mean. So that will change efficiency during flight. I KNOW what density is. 🙄

@stusue9733

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@@XB10001 Got a link to that? The table I'm looking at shows any 737 built in the last 25 years has a max take off weight at least 10 tons more than its max landing weight. Max landing TBA for the MAX 10. The MAX 9 is more like 14000kgs difference, it can carry about 21000kgs of fuel about 25% of max take off weight.(older ones less than 10t but then they weigh less also)

try ring tip propeller instead, normal "best" propeller + tip jet rings

It would be more honest to say " this flow battery can quickly refill".

Ignores the main problems of a flow battery, the weight, use of rare non-renewable materials, poor round trip efficiency and poor energy to volume ratio. Maybe ok for static storage but for cars forget it.

As with so many so called breakthroughs the transition from small scale prototypes to commercial production often takes many years or in most cases never happens.

How many times have we heard this before? A new wonder battery. Then they never make production.

At this stage it is all lab based, to go from there to a commercial scale can be very challenging if not totally impractical. There is still the problem with insufficient grid capacity and to say nothing about the astronomical amount of new infrastructure required for such a system.

Does this magical battery have anything to with quantum dots!?

Great info 👍 I could see it for my house, but not my car. Cheers

1/10th the capacity? One article said it had double the capacity of the highest lead acid batteries which would put it around 1/3 less than lithium ion. Would this be practical for a car since it has 1/3 less energy storage capacity as lithium ion batteries? That is 1/3 less distance you can travel sacrificed for a 3 minute charge time or however quick it is. Although the charge time is a very nice benefit, I think the biggest that it comes down to that would make this get used in cars is money, it's half the cost and that brings down the cost of the car significantly. Isn't it like 10 000 USD for tesla batteries? That's 5000 off the price of a car just like that. So it might be a quick way to introduce cheap mass produced electric cars.

Good👍

Sounds like another lot of pie in the sky waffle to me

Energy density by volume may be less important than energy density by mass in EVs and given that liquid batteries can not be structural and would add design complications to vehicles and filling/charging stations it seems like a bad idea.... Other applications, grid storage, home power packs, shipping seems like a better option. Imo....

Older videos claims often don't stand the test of time. I haven't heard any news on this battery concept and 11 months has passed. Do you follow up on you videos?

How about colder climats?

I concerned about the environmental effects of creating and disposing of the liquid solution