Hello, project coordinator here. Thanks Nicholas and the entire ShortCircuit team for putting together a nice video covering the Brand New Model F Keyboard! It is great to get the word out about these great keyboards that definitely take some getting used to! Kindly see my replies to some of the notes brought up in the video: The pinginess / reverberation: Some folks that prefer a Model F board without the higher pitch sounds. The best thing about buckling spring keyboards is the a longstanding community that has come up with various repair and maintenance step by step guides and mods, including the Floss Mod and the grease mod, to reduce or eliminate the high-pitch / pinginess while typing. My guess is that the main reason for the pinginess is the super thick steel plates reverberating inside the keyboard. Why True Red? Well it's the Pantone designation for the particular shade of red. The factory prefers Pantone references when doing the finishing. Recessed keys: The reason for the extra recessed keys for a couple of the rows is that the Ultra Compact F104 case top in the video is flat and the Model F and Model M design require a curved plate inside the keyboard. One result of this is that the key profiles are all uniform and a key can be installed on the various rows. The Model M style F104, FSSK, and F122 cases are all curved where the keys are, just like the IBM originals, so the keys will stick out more evenly. Casting: The Ultra Compact cases for the F104 and FSSK were CNC milled and have 3 main parts, while the ultra compact cases for the F62 and F77 keyboards are die cast, while the first rounds of the compact F62/F77 boards were CNC milled. The Model M style case Model F keyboards all have die cast cases. Regarding the low serials, they are mainly there to allow folks to offer a little extra support to help cover the tens of thousands of dollars in project cost overruns, the near-endless express air mail sample charges over the years, etc. Many folks also like a custom serial because it allows them to pick a date for the production date, like their birthday or an anniversary of some date. In the Model M community forums it is always notable to get a board made the same year you were born, or if you were lucky, on your actual birthday (and actual birth year too!).

@McLovinMods

10 ай бұрын

Why would you call this keyboard the model F when it is clearly based on the model M?

@Brand_New_Model_F_Keyboards

10 ай бұрын

@@McLovinMods The keyboard is a Model F keyboard, which uses the same capacitive buckling spring technology as the original IBM Model F keyboard. The similarity with the Model M is that the layout is same as the Model M keyboards that came out after the Model F. The Model M was actually IBM's effort to cut two-thirds of the cost out of their Model F which originally went for $600 in the early 80s, adjusted for inflation. The Model F produces a much crisper sound with each key press as it has a much larger flipper that snaps against a huge PCB underneath all of the keys.

@screwb1882

10 ай бұрын

Any possibility of a TKL version?

@Noah_1801

10 ай бұрын

@@screwb1882 How about you use a search engine and find out for yourself.

@Brand_New_Model_F_Keyboards

10 ай бұрын

@@screwb1882Yes that is offered on the project web site - I recommend heading over there to see details and photos. The TKL model is called the FSSK, named after the IBM 84 key SSK.

When I was growing up these were just keyboards. Funny how they've become so revered.

@MrML4L

10 ай бұрын

I much prefer my modern mech

@TAP7a

10 ай бұрын

There was a cracking article in the early 90s that was headlined “Where have all the good keyboards gone?” or “what happened to all the good keyboards?”, something like that. I think that pretty much sums up what happened

@simonrockstream

10 ай бұрын

ok bro@@MrML4L

@romevang

10 ай бұрын

Thats been my mentality. Late 90s i Learned to type on old worn Model Ms or similar keyboards. They were just keyboards to me. So their reverence still surprises me.

@UnjustifiedRecs

10 ай бұрын

Yup, same here, literally just the only thing I had to type on, never thought twice about it. 😂

Buckling springs aren't really about the sound. It's all about the feel. If you want something vintage that sounds and feels good the Alps switches are where it's at. The big problem with the alps switches being the design made them super prone to getting gunked up internally and when that happened they functioned much more poorly. So a lot of folks that used them never experienced what they actually felt like when properly cared for.

3:29 Is not entirely true. Buckling springs don't actuate by making electrical contact with the side of the housing, that's a common misconception. The springs are connected to a lever at the bottom of the switch that does that actuation. In the Model M the lever pushes on a membrane, similar to how a modern rubber dome works. On the Model F the lever is connected to a capacitive mechanism.

@Stackali

Ай бұрын

also they weren't the only mech switch at the time. alps existed and were much like our modern switches.

Plouffe just casually ignoring that Unicomp have been making effectively the original Model M continuously for decades 🤷‍♂️

@stephenbrothers9185

5 ай бұрын

They're also made in the USA vs these made in China

@b_wellyn

Ай бұрын

@@stephenbrothers9185 quality of the unicomp keyboards is pretty low, they have crappy low quality molds and the color schemes are kind of odd. Boards aren't capacitive and it runs off a membrane like a normal crappy rubber dome keyboard. They feel nice but they aren't as good as a modern mechanical keyboard that actually has nkey rollover

@yeezet4592

Ай бұрын

​@b_wellyn new unicomps are much better. I had an expert from 2010 which was pretty trash, but I bought a mini M from them recently, and the improvements are vast. New tooling I think

Lucky there wasn't any tape on the keys.

Going over this video, I think there's a few mistakes, so here are my thoughts and clarifications for viewers. 1:58 - "Apple IIs" - On screen, an Apple Extended Keyboard II was shown. The Apple Keyboard II was something else and intended for Apple Macintoshes, not even Apple II *computers* that had separate keyboards like the Apple IIGS. 2:30 - Shown reviews on Model Ms - Model Fs and Ms both use buckling springs, but there are some fundamental differences (from how presses are registered down to the number of spring coils). IMO, this distinction should have at least been briefly clarified. So, those reviews are of a keyboard with a switch that is known to feel slightly differently *and* is known to sound lower pitched. Whilst I love both Model Fs and Ms and they're in many ways similar, IMO, the reviews shown are not 100% reflective of this keyboard or its OG counterparts. 2:41 - Like above, comparing "old Model Ms" to brand new Model Fs is a bit problematic, especially trying to relate it to "age". The difference you may have felt wasn't age at all; Model Fs and Ms were always a bit different back in the '80s and today. 3:27 - "spring buckles and connects on the side of the switch". If by "connects" they mean connection to actuate, that's not how that works. When the spring buckles, it forces a plate on the bottom of the switch (called a flipper/rocker) to press down on a capacitance-sensing PCB (Model F) or membrane (Model M). 3:49 - "maybe add some foam... couple layers of tape". To get rid of the ping, the "floss mod" is a well-documented (and reversible) thing to do. It involves putting strings of dental floss inside the springs to stop them from resonating. A basic search should've found that for them before recommending (IMO) more awkward options. 7:57 - "calling it true red which is a little weird". It's named after the PANTONE name, but it seems the company themselves has already said that. 9:36 - "sculpted, almost SA if not actually SA". These keycaps are neither. When opened, you can see that the inner assembly itself is curved, allowing for the uniform not sculpted keycaps to be interchanged on any row. The keycaps' tops are cylindrical shaped, not spherical like SA would be. 11:38 - "rose tinted glasses". IMO, this may be sort of unfair. I was born after Model F production was believed to be finished, and I have no issue with them. In fact, there are a lot of younger people on various Discords and subreddits dedicated to IBM keyboards. Contrary to the end sentiment, AFAIK, the New Model F project didn't start to try introducing Fs to people, it became a thing because Model Fs already had fans in the modern day but the OG IBM 4704 F62 and F77 keyboards were difficult to find and costly. This F104 is just a new take to capitalise on the F62/F77's success. As someone who runs a website/wiki on IBM keyboards, /r/modelm and its Discord, I always get 'nervous sweats' with big videos on IBM/vintage keyboards since these misconceptions can be repeated, spread and then we have to deal with stuff "but, this big outlet said otherwise". It's happened. I absolutely respect Plouffe's opinion on not liking the sound or vintage keyboards (despite us getting dismissed as having "rose tinted glasses"), I just think a little more research would have helped the factual basis of the video. I get ShortCircuit is not meant to be ultra scripted and I don't think the set had a teleprompter to help when I saw it in tour videos, but I don't think that's reason not to have a quick look online about what's being discussed. My two cents.

@thetamsin

10 ай бұрын

Hello friend, unfortunately Model F is not TRUELY mechanical keyboard, as it uses a membrane underneath the flippers. Hope that helps

@coolpenguin1474

10 ай бұрын

@@thetamsin It's crazy to think a rubber dome keyboard has become so legendary. Especially to the point that people confuse it as mechanical.

@rafflesmaos

10 ай бұрын

@@thetamsin Model M uses a membrane. Model F uses a PCB. Regardless, both are considered very much "mechanical" in the general sense of the enthusiast terminology compared to typical rubber dome keyboards.

@nekowife

10 ай бұрын

@@thetamsin what the government wo't tell you is that just inside that shell of the model f is a dell keyboard with rubber domes that the buckle springs actuate

@thetamsin

10 ай бұрын

@@hudsongreen2654 actually, in 1983, the chairman of the International Standards Organization, Dr. James Garfield, released a list of rules for "mechanical" switches. The IBM Model F broke 34 of them. For more information google "garfield rule 34"

This comment was typed on a Unicomp new model M. By far the best keyboard I have ever used. Don't see myself ever using anything else from now on.

@annoyedwalrus7803

10 ай бұрын

I hope you'll get to try a Model F some day. Model M's are good but F's are just... better.

@-Elaphe-

10 ай бұрын

Not to mention that Unicomps are like the latests Model Ms released, cheaper, lighter and clumsier than the old units from the 80s. Both having the same buckling springs, the difference in typing is there.

@ratsputin69

9 ай бұрын

You should try typing on a Model M that's in good shape. While Unicomp's keyboards are far better than the crappy $35 keyboard with the rubber dome switches, their build quality is very poor (I'm typing on one of the two I own right now). Also, n-key rollover is almost nonexistent and I see keypresses being dropped frequently when I'm typing fast. I can't wait to get my new Model F.

@annoyedwalrus7803

9 ай бұрын

@@ratsputin69 Have you tried some of the newer Unicomp keyboards, they are supposed to have been getting better the last few years. Not as good as a Model F of course but still really good.

@helios8459

4 ай бұрын

@@ratsputin69Unicomp have supposedly replaced all their ancient molding equipment so the new model m’s are meant to be good quality

Nicotine beige is the only color this should ever exist in

@the_null_man

4 ай бұрын

even IBM themselves made model Fs in multiple colors, like blue or black, so it's not true

to reduce the ping you can put floss inside the springs, it may feel slightly more mushy but will make the sound a lot more bearable

@nanaki-seto

10 ай бұрын

well also this one is meta bodied the originals were plastic which would dull the sound a bit

@jonny555333

10 ай бұрын

At that point, it's not even worth it.

@skurtskurt1771

10 ай бұрын

@@nanaki-seto true, foaming it up i guess could make up for it

@smallbutdeadly931

10 ай бұрын

I'd rather just buy a different keyboard at that point

@craigcarlson4720

10 ай бұрын

I 100% rock the floss mod on all my Model Ms

After the Model M, IBM briefly had a Model M2 on the market for a few years which is quite rare these days. My first PC (IBM PS-1 386) used the M2 and is basically a smaller version of the Model M but also with buckling springs. Sadly enough these were known to die because of the caps on the control board and taking them apart was HARD. There were no screws - it was all done by plastic tabs. On 30+ year old plastic this is not great. Of course you also need to remove all the key caps first. Me, being a masochist, did exactly that. I removed all the caps, managed to open up the keyboard without breaking off any of the plastic tabs, collected all 102 springs inside, removed the board, recapped it and then started the painstaking process of re-inserting all 102 springs and closing it back up. I had to repeat this THREE TIMES because each time a spring was slightly misaligned making a key not work. In the end I now have a working IBM Model M2 keyboard which is small in size but gives an authentic IBM experience. Be warned if you buy one off eBay: unless the seller specifically says it's been recapped, it WILL need recapping! Even if it says "tested", do NOT trust it. These keyboards will work for a while if you test them after they've been in storage for years and then they'll die. Re-capped these go for way more than the Model M though, so be warned.

@LouisCYUL

10 ай бұрын

I have two M2s and had to recap both, I've used brass inserts and screws (plus a countersink drill bit and delicate rotary tool work) to replace the clips on one but now it needs trace repairs on the membrane - great. An easier - but fiddlier - alternative is to trim the clip tab on the barrel plate then use pairs of small locking cable ties, trim the head of the one under the board and keep only the head portion of the one on top, gently lock in place.

@redavatar

10 ай бұрын

@@LouisCYUL I guess I was lucky that all the clips survived on mine. I wanted to keep it as original as possible. I was also lucky to find someone sell an M2 with a cut cord for only €20 since it gave me some spare parts for mine. I recapped the spare board and have a spare membrane as well.

The space between the upper Key rows are for descriptor overlays for the specific programs you used .

Linus: "My company is valued at $100 million." Also Linus: "I can't afford to spend $500 to retest."

I used to love Model M keyboards. I worked in IT and when we'd replace PC's that had these and I'd hide them in the storeroom. They were my go-to for years but I left and didn't use them anymore. Still love the sound, personally

did you take all the stickers off this time?

1:02 love it when the editor puts these nice little touches in there

@ommalin1

10 ай бұрын

when he said "its over 6" they put 6

Did you make sure to take the plastic film off this time?

*AUCTION IT!*

@diezeeshoodie

10 ай бұрын

*FOR CHARITY*

This is hands down the finest keyboard currently in production. The vast majority of people would agree that the typing feel is unmatched--crisp and perfectly weighted. The fidelity to the original Model F is truly remarkable. This "ultracompact" version is the only one that suffers from the aesthetic flaws you talked about, as all the other cases (i.e., the original and "classic" styles) match the curved profile of the switch plate. The F62 is currently $200 and the F77 is currently $225--the deal of the century. Get one while you can, as the creator is obviously trying to unload the last of his inventory.

Hi Glenn, I hope you realize that the switch is not triggered by the spring hitting the side, but rather flippers hitting the bottom.

6:30 That's silly. Buckling springs are one of the most tactile switches that exist - far more tactile than any cherry switch. This is objectively demonstrated on the force curves. Would also have been nice if you went over how it's capacitive sensing, NKRO (unlike a Model M), programmability options, etc.

My old FC guild mistress on FFXIV uses an old Model M for her gamming. We can hear her tying through her mic and we could tell the "Seriousness" of messages based on the length of the clicks. it was great.

Love the Braethorn hat! Nice to see y’all supporting a smaller, yet super awesome, creator. Found his channel a couple months ago shopping for a new prebuilt, quickly became one of my favorites!

Keyboard enthusiasts are just ss anniying as wine testers

Old enough for Apple II but not old enough for IBM M? May want to look at that timeline :D.

The part that Plouffe didn't liked is bacause keys expect original Model F indent, I suggest getting "Classic Style F104 Model F Keyboard" which has that indent and keys will be perfectly positioned there... The case design is at fault, and Classic case fixes that.

Loving that classic Olivetti-style color scheme of the keys. Brings back memories 🥲

Sebastian Linus: „Don‘t judge a company for errors, look how they react to critique.“ Well, well, well how the turntables….

Editor is on fire with this one! Great job! Really make it more fun to watch..

There was an error in the graphic that attempted to show how the buckling spring closed the contact. It is not the spring itself that closes the circuit when it touches the side (since the side is just the plastic cylinder of the key cap), but rather it is the V-shaped base which tilts and then closes the circuit between two pads on the PCB. So the PCB beneath the keyboard looks very similar to that of a regular membrane keyboard. I do agree that it looks wrong that the keys in the center hardly protrudes above the case. They could have at least made a curvature in the top half of the case to follow the keys, just like the original IBM design. Although I do own an original Model M along with a couple of M2s, I don't really like the feel and sound of using it, so to me it is more like a novelty.

@thechemtrailkid

10 ай бұрын

In the case of the Model F, nothing closes contacts. The sensing is through capacitance and technically does not rely on two metal pieces coming together

@martin_soerensen

10 ай бұрын

Even in the case of capacitive buckling spring, it still requires a circuit to be closed, although it will just be for AC.

@mycosys

10 ай бұрын

@@martin_soerensen thats not how capacitive sensing works

The buckling spring doesn't make contact with the side of the switch, it slams a copper flap down on a contact on the switch base. It's the only keyboard switch that actually switches when you feel the tactile bump - the cherry browns and blues are merely poor imitations of this behaviour.

did you guys remember to take off all the plastic this time for your review

If you don't need the heavy aluminium case you can get a more "authentic" New Model M from Unicomp for about a third of this price.

@annoyedwalrus7803

10 ай бұрын

But this isn't a Model M, this is a Model F.

Kudos to the editor of this one. Great job!

@rubencolson2237

10 ай бұрын

Thanks you’re welcome

@DasGanon

10 ай бұрын

They were having way too much fun with that weighing scene. ‽

OK you've had someone who doesn't like IBM boards review the model in the new weird boxy case design. Now have someone who loves IBM buckling springs review one of the new 104 models but with the traditional Model M case option.

You should have a link to the product or their shop and why does the description list " LTX 2023 TICKETS AVAILABLE NOW" when that event concluded weeks ago?

"Feels like you're typing on a keyboard from 20 maybe 30 years ago" my friend that was the early 2000s or late 90s

@BringMayFlowers

4 ай бұрын

That would make sense considering he doesn't understand that Fs and Ms are different things, and Ms were still reasonably popular in the 1990s if on their way out.

Plouffe implies the switch works by connecting the spring with metal on the side of the switch but I’m pretty sure it works with the flapper lifting off of capacitive contacts on the PCB. The spring part is absolutely part of the mechanism, just not part of the circuit.

I have a Model M from my dad and the model F sounds similar but the most important thing that both share is that it’s sounds like a machine gun when typing. Also love the heavy weight. I type weird and move my hand more like how you would use an old type writer so it fits my typing style. Also I absolutely hate, hate, HATE that “lubed keyboard thunk” sound.

You don't want to put foam or tape, and that won't do much anyways for the spring sound. What you want for these old style keyboards is a massive body to have a large resonance chamber to give the sound a bit of reverb, that will make it sound better

@xp8969

10 ай бұрын

Nah, the best (and the simplest) solution is just to fill the case with chocolate pudding

The sound is because of the aluminium case. That should be plastic.

@LightPink

10 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure it's zink

Way to go full artesian Linus

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@sitrueis4007

10 ай бұрын

LTT sponsor us today and you can be sure we auction your product later and then send you 1O€ for compensation. Stay tuned for more.

Plouffe being Plouffe wants to make this keyboard quieter and more "modern" but the feel and sound is the entire point. I don't like metalic ping enjoyable but I'm in love with loud clicky switches because of their sound so Plouffe this keyboard is clearly not for you. Ps. And don't act like linear switches are so much quieter. They are also audible and I for one don't like that kind of sound. Something about clicky switches just make me feel good.

@ImJustPassingThrough

10 ай бұрын

There was a a lot of "I don't see the point, it's not like the current popular style".

@christinastein1196

10 ай бұрын

@@ImJustPassingThrough The consensus in keyboard enthusiasts circle is that linear is best tactile feedback isn't needed and click is bad witch is opposite of the old approach.Its like giving a classic car for review for someone who like computerized electric cars no wander they want to make it more modern. I like to have both sonic and tactile feedback every keystroke. Makes typing more deliberate and satisfying to me. I don't have a problem with linear keyboards they are simply not for me.

@username8644

10 ай бұрын

@@christinastein1196 Even not long ago everyone was buying cherry blues and browns, and reds were considered only good for gaming, not typing. Now everyone is buying linear switches only pretty much. I agree. edit: my custom keyboard has gateron reds and they are easily as loud as my OG model M.

I have a Unicomp Ultra Classic. It's the chintziest little thing, being made towards the end of the model's production run (the mould had long worn out by the time mine was struck), but it has the cost-reduced Model M version of this mechanism (b/s over membrane, rather than b/s over capacitive). Also, it was made in 2020.

with that aluminum chassis, is sounds different... it doesn't have that "CLACK" sound it used to have with the plastic chassis, the aluminum chassis makes it have that bad "PING" noise.

The editor working overtime on this one, love the text blok shenanigans

we were typing on gold back then and didn't even realize it.

For some reason I am OVERLY bother by the fact that at 1:38 the colour options are brought on screen and yet "RED" doesn't get labelled at all.

I used to work at IiBM in the 90s and everyone had a Model M on their desk.

Just an idea, maybe get someone from the team to who has actual experience with the OG Model M to comment on it? Only for a few seconds/mins in the video, just a little "hey man what you think about this", is what I think was missing from the video.

PROTOTYPE ... hand it over to the competition. 😷

@diezeeshoodie

10 ай бұрын

I think auctioning it might be a good idea.

@Mark-nc2nx

10 ай бұрын

@@diezeeshoodie sure if you het money from the competition... Or if you think it's a vaccine and not a bio weapon.

This keyboard is great. It can help auction off other people's property faster.

The typing sounds like the keyboard Jonathan was looking for in that Sims keyboard video co-op you did a while back.

I would love one of these, I have one of the Unicomp keyboards and it's great but the capacitive switches would be much better mainly for rollover. I've thought about getting a real F but they have been hard to find and they have an odd layout so this would be the perfect mix, just hoping they can maybe get the price down in the future or something because $500 or so + custom fees to europe is a bit steep

If you feel the urge to mod this keyboard, this is not your keyboard.

Shoutout to the banana for scale midnight (and beyond) crew I met at LTX!

I have a Model F AT and it sounds a lot better because it has a plastic case. I would use it more if it had a more usable layout sadly The IBM Model F actuates via capacitance, unlike the Model M which uses a membrane. Therefore the main advantage the F has over the M is inherent N-key rollover. The Model F also has a lighter spring compared to the Model M as well. The floss mod can help to reduce the spring ping, but the ping itself is inherently part of the switch design. But the spring does not "connect" the switch, it's the flipping of the plastic flipper that actuates the switch. They also make Model F in original designs, such as the F62 "Kishsaver", F77 (not the F107 unfortunately), with a cast zinc base (just like the originals).

@rafflesmaos

10 ай бұрын

You can mod an F AT to have the two extra key slots (alts) to right and left of the spacebar, and replace the spacebar with shorter one from a Model M. It's a bit of work, but makes the layout much better. Also when use a programmable converter on it, you can remap the keys in hardware to whatever layout you prefer.

That space bar sounds so good. I used to have Doom with the fire key bound to the spacebar.

This keyboard doubles as a security device to fight off home intruders.

3:33 the switch doesn't connect on the side it actuates the membrane (model m) or a capacitive pcb (model f) on the bottom

I have a Japan Computer Corp (great name) Model M clone from the 80’s. I used it as a daily for almost a year until I couldnt take the lack of n-key rollover. Was a very smooth keyboard and did not have any of those annoying pings, just satisfying clack

@lucidnonsense942

10 ай бұрын

Model F and Modern F use a capacitive PCB, so they always had an inherent N-key rollover. Model M was IBM's cut price version that used a resistive PCB so lost n-key rollover. So this keyboard is full n-key AND fully reprogrammable. Model F is more pingy as it's a metal body, you get crisper feel and more ping. Plus as old M's gunk up over decades, they become more dull.

@annoyedwalrus7803

10 ай бұрын

It's quite easy (but kind of time consuming) to modify the Model F to get rid of the pinging if you prefer it that way.

I learned to type on these, only we had keycaps which were blank to help you learn....

Why wasn't Mac Address the one reviewing this? Edit: for context didn't the Horst the host want a model M since it sounded like the Sim keyboard? It would be interesting if this scratches that itch.

the sound/noise of nostalgia, this reminds me of the very first times I encountered the PC back in the day. Back then, these keys sound like high end equipment. No button sounds like it.

Shoutout to the banana for scale midnight (and beyond) crew I met at LTX!!

Model M's and Model F's are very different. You can't really talk about them interchangeably.

@funspoyler

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, this is very much an M.

@lucidnonsense942

10 ай бұрын

​@@funspoylerNO - these are F guts in M styled case. M is resistive membrane, F capacitive

@zorinlynx

10 ай бұрын

@@lucidnonsense942 Is there a big difference in feel? It looks like the mechanism is identical except for the way the paddle either completes the circuit, or changes a capacitance. I can see the capacitive mechanism being more reliable in the long run, but seeing that my Model Ms from the 80s are still working without issue, I question the necessity of it.

@joshuacoppola3017

10 ай бұрын

@@zorinlynx Yes, fairly noticeable difference in feel. The model Fs have a lighter actuation, and probably the best way to describe it is they feel crisper. I like my model M, but it has not returned to my desk since trying and acquiring an F. It feels much better, but its hard to describe without trying both. Keep in mind the original M was introduced as a cost saving measure. Also, Model Ms are sandwiched together with plastic rivets that tend to break. When only a couple have broken the keyboard will still register but feel mushy. A common mod is to replace these rivets with bolts once this happens

@gotoastal

10 ай бұрын

Ms* & Fs* …apostrophes are for contractions & possession

Would love to see a short circuit on the new 8bitdo keyboard. They have pretty good controller but as it is their first keyboard I’d love to see some lab’s results for lag anti ghosting etc

Will you be auctioning it or just s**ually harassing it?

@Someone-wx9lq

10 ай бұрын

Neither, just touch grass

@Bum_Numba_One

10 ай бұрын

@@Someone-wx9lq It was a joke fanboy. They earned a week of jabs and banter I think even they would agree with that.

That high pitch ping just ignited some serotonin via nostalgia

I actually have an old IBM wheelwriter that uses the same keyboard as the Model F I believe. It feels divine.

Back in the day I definitely preferred those buckling spring keyboards. I think I prefer modern mechanical keyboards over that, but even more than that I definitely prefer modern analog keyboards specifically from wooting.

1:08 @ editor, very fun edits. < 6 is less than 6 though. At least in the systems I'm familiar with.

Freakin' Awesome !!! I still have 3 of the original IBM keyboards still working. They don't wear out.

Anyone believe anything in the testing reportedly done here? No? Me neither

You unlocked a forgotten memory from the keyboard that came with the 486 we got in the 90s. I used that keyboard into the 2000s.

The rebound ping of a model M is the KEY FEATURE. That pinging is how you tell people are productive.

The editor was having a good, fun time

A a 25 year old, I never came across those keyboards at school, we just had the basic mid 2000's microsoft black keyboards. But about 6 years ago I stumbled upon an '85 Model M for sale for like $50, and I jumped on it! At the time I was on a G710 with MX brown switches, but I was a heavy typer, so I wanted something heavier, and OH BOY the buckling springs are heavy ( aswell as the keyboard istelf ) ! My Model M was my daily driver for almost 3 years, Now it sits on a shelf with all kinds of retro-ish tech. It is clearly a conversation starter.

Would have loved to hear you guys include the key rollover. I have a model M reproduction which I love typing on but as it has the same internals as the original ones it’s basically useless for gaming and I had to remap a lot of shortcuts for my day job.

@ed_cmntonly

10 ай бұрын

after the lmg allegations guess were not getting it for a while sadly 💀

@samfedorka5629

10 ай бұрын

The above KB is "model F" style capacitive and has NKRO. However I would recommend the new unicomp's new "Mini M" which is 2kro, but the matrix is optimized for tasks like gaming where higher *kro is required on some keys.

so you're saying this will annoy my co workers? ordinging one now lol

I'm surprised they didn't bring Linus in to get his opinion on how it compares.

Can I just say how much I enjoyed the edditing on this video.

It was crazy when I got to 6 minutes into this video and realized that it wasn't even half over.

the thing is that we had switches similar to the ones we have now back then. but they weren't the only type of mechanical switch at the time like modern switches now where they are all cherry clones (most being better than actual cherry switches)

Looking at the mechanism, and the mention of modding... If you can get griphite spray on the contact points where the spring slids into, it theoretically would slide quieter.

@JanPospisilArt

10 ай бұрын

The spring doesn't actually slide into any contact - it flips an attached flipper from one position into the next, which is sensed by a capacitive board underneath. There are various mods that reduce the ping, from sliding a short string of fluffy dental floss into the springs to lubing the springs with grease.

@2:00 i have one of the unicomp model m's and i will say it was close to those ive used back in school and my old job that had a lot of ibm terminals. be interesting to try the model F version as that thing looks like it could be used as a weapon (even more than the model M) also the Apple II/Mac mechanical keyboards i beleive used an ALPs style switch instead of a buckling spring of the IBMs

hmm. I didn't like that the difference between a model-f and model-m wasn't explained, to be honest. If somebody watches the video that doesn't know the history it feels like a model-m and model-f are the same. I had the feeling that the reviewer also don't know the difference. You can get a new Unicomp model-m for a good price. This is a model-f and build like a tank so more expensive. A video that compares the two would be nice :-) The viewer and I have another taste for keyboards, but that's fine of course.

What hardware do the dreamarcade machines use? Rapsberry pi? Custom pc? Jamma board? And can you customize it?

Great job, editor! This was super fun to watch; all the extra detailed graphics and animations were phenomenal (and the updating stats as he guessed was great)

The Unicomps are so great. I gave mine to my brother since I can't type on non-splits anymore :( but the buckling spring switch feel is just second to none.

@forzatoro89

9 ай бұрын

They are also making a model F split now :)

@rainbow_mess_music

9 ай бұрын

@@forzatoro89 :O !!! I'll have to check it out!!!!!!! That's great news

I worked in an office for nine years. And I worked next to one of the controllers (Terry) for a few of them. You kinda have to use the bubble style keyboards. The ones that are like $10

Ironically I'm after the metal ping noise

I remember faintly typing on one of these back in the day, can't remember where though. Possibly at school. Also, I suspect that the pinging sound comes from the combination of new springs and that aluminum case.

Forgot to mention if it is abs or pbt

On the actual model M, there is a recess matching the kays in the chassis. On this one, that's missing, causing that "too close to the chassis" feel.

I would love the esthetics in a modern custom with modern switches, foam, and gasket mounts.

I think the Unicomp is probably the more authentic recreation, and you can get it with the red mouse stick in the middle of the keyboard. What I really want is a buckling spring in an ergo ortholinear. I would buy one.

@ptigiloo

10 ай бұрын

Well, Unicomp bought the licence to produce Model M keyboards. So not a recreation !

@TeflonBilly426

10 ай бұрын

@@ptigiloo not just the license, they own the original tooling.

@sharktastica

10 ай бұрын

@@TeflonBilly426 Not to mention they literally made keyboards for IBM into the 2000s as well! Close enough for them, close enough for us, IMO. Whilst they spent several years gathering tooling in the beginning, how Unicomp was close enough to being Lexmark and former IBM staff woke up one morning and happened to go to a different location but do the same stuff using the same stuff. They didn't start from scratch, so there was no recreating moulds, tooling, processes, etc. It was just tweaked, rebranded and life went on. The first truly new keyboards from them were the New Model M and Mini M, which only came out within the last 3 years.

@RorschDG-2

10 ай бұрын

That's not true about buying one with the Trackpoint. I've talked with Customer Service and they aren't able to make them at the moment. Perhaps at the end of the year, maybe, but not at the moment and I've been trying to buy the M13 version since 2019.

@patczuch

10 ай бұрын

unicomp makes model m recreations, this one is a model f. in theory the mechanisms are really similar, but the differences in tooling quality and subtle changes like not using a membrane and bigger rockers make a huge difference. i own both an original model m and a model f and the difference is just staggering. key feel is just a lot better on the model f. although model ms have the better sound going for them

The sound is like 50% of what I like on model M and Fs :D

Love the video guys, keep up the good work!!!! I think I speak for many of us when I say that we need a review of the HP Spectre x360 13.5” here in 2023. It would be great to have it next to the Hp dragonfly pro review that you guys did a while back (absolutely love that video). And to see how the two flagship top of the line HP consumer laptops stack up to one another.