Removing the arrow keys and adding a touchpad is maybe the most Apple thing you can do to a keyboard

@TheMrawesomest

Жыл бұрын

It is like that Onion video about the Macbook air with a touchwheel

@Kenshinhugo

Жыл бұрын

I can kinda understand the value of it though. You don't have to reposition your right hand if you wanna use the arrow keys. But this feature isnt gonna make me switch from my Mx keys.

@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep

Жыл бұрын

Even Apple wouldn't remove the arrow keys. It feels genuinely hostile to the user.

@baracuda771

Жыл бұрын

Next keyboard they release is going to be missing the number keys and a space bar lol

@GinsuSher

Жыл бұрын

Maybe charge 500 usd for it.

The arrow keys are the last thing I would take out of a 65% keyboard. This product is a miss for me

@hansr370

Жыл бұрын

i mean you can use hhkb style fn+ keys as arrows, they work fine. I dont see them being any slower than normal arrows

@Nightelvee

Жыл бұрын

@@hansr370 layered arrows are only nice if you don't need them as part of a hotkey

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

You get used to it. Put them in a layer and you don't even need to move your hand.

@DX88

Жыл бұрын

NGL don't remember when I last used my arrow keys.

@azenyr

Жыл бұрын

A 65% without arrow keys is a 60%. I don't understand this marketing bs and why linus team insisted so much on it

Man, that first one would go great with a Noctua build. Perfect for the gamer who likes 50 shades of *B R O W N*

@PhaythGaming

Жыл бұрын

My ass read this as Bro WN

@danz409

Жыл бұрын

im looking to build my first custom keyboard and i would love to find a keyset that has those colors! :D

@hedlund

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Is there such a thing as an emergent aesthetic? That's the only way I can think to describe it. Looking at the individual parts/colours, I *should* not like the Noctua look even slightly, but taken as a complete package I absolutely adore it.

@harbl99

Жыл бұрын

70s scifi themed build. Terracotta and cream tones, curved ergonomics, etc. Syd Mead, _Silent Running, Space 1999_

@reckedVH

Жыл бұрын

Ma whole underpants alone is 50 shades of brown lmao 🤣

This might be a controversial take, but I find arrow keys to be indispensable, whether for scrubbing videos, snapping windows, or sometimes navigating menus without moving my hands off the keyboard to a mouse. The idea of removing a tactile switch for effectively a swipe bar, just seems incredibly stupid as it makes the action I want the fastest to be slower than most actions. Seems like with a lot of these keyboards you're paying more for less, and although they are doing something 'different' it's sort of like with the current electric car scene (capacitive touch everything), in that you never asked the question of if the thing that is different is actually better or if it is worse for the general use case.

@lotmo5295

Жыл бұрын

Yea different for the sake of being different is a gimmik, it seems more like a keyboard you would display rather than acutal use. When you start playing with layout you either hate your life as you use it or get used to it and hate using other keyboards. That odd lack from what I remember seeing without the control or if that special key was that its just asking for trouble.

@bwabbel

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The swipe bar looks really inconvenient and the idea is just stupid. No one needs that

@robertanthonybermudez5545

Жыл бұрын

100% agree!

@bosspandalover3442

Жыл бұрын

Personally this is one of the few less than keyboards I’d actually buy, for me gestures would make it so I can type with both hands and use them at the same time for that purpose I’d enjoy it, but I could def see why people wouldn’t

@s01itarygaming

Жыл бұрын

I can't not have arrow keys, page keys, or home and end keys. I've layered my page and home/end keys onto my arrow keys so they don't take up extra space, but I'd never layer away my arrow keys. I just use them way too much.

The swipe and “hold” actions are just literal translations of the arrow keys, I’m shocked it was mentioned as something special. It’s literally youtube’s UI advancing the video/changing the volume.

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

Yep, though he did mention he's never used arrow keys for that before too.

@Carnyx72

Жыл бұрын

Man discovers the arrow keys have functions, would be a better video title. It doens't seem this bar does anything special at all.

Removing the arrow keys and the Ctrl key is probably the worst you could do to a "65% keyboard".

@falsemcnuggethope

Жыл бұрын

Seems like a keyboard for a person who does everything with a mouse.

@alfalfachomusuke8258

Жыл бұрын

it is not a 65% keyboard

@cujotwentysix7519

Жыл бұрын

It's an HHKB layout - the Ctrl key is supposed to go in the Caps Lock position, with the right FN key enabling a layer that then puts the arrow keys on the [;'/ keys

@squidwardo7074

Жыл бұрын

It's also only like 1 inch smaller than an actual 65%

This is literally the definition of gimmick over comfort and common sense

@FrontwaysLarry

Жыл бұрын

Plus no cable, which can just be crazy inconvenient and like a weird cop-out to either save some money or simply not put effort into a quality cable worth keeping or that matches the colourway you purchased.

@tempt1088

Жыл бұрын

@@FrontwaysLarry if you're buying this in the first place, you're probably a keyboard enthusiast as its a group buy item. you should have ATLEAST 5 cables laying around 😂

I want to see a "110%" keyboard. Like a full keyboard but slightly bigger for people with wider shoulders and bigger hands/fingers

@chibbyylol

Жыл бұрын

I just got a split keyboard and put it as wide as I want

@northwestclasspnw7974

Жыл бұрын

im 6'8 with wide shoulders and I don't understand what you mean? I use my gmmk pro all day no problem. Just gotta get things centered up

@F124NC15

Жыл бұрын

zsa moonlander babyyyyy

@VitalVampyr

Жыл бұрын

The percentage is the number of keys, not the actual width of the board. A 65% could be extra wide like you want. No one makes that because the main reason people go for

@DiegoMS

Жыл бұрын

@@northwestclasspnw7974 the thing is that ergonomically if you have wide shoulders it may not be that good for you to force and hold your arms to stay in a central position for extended periods of time. A more natural position would be to have each half of your keyboard close to where your shoulders are, or at least as far apart from the center as possible. Hence the other guy's comment of a wider 100+ % keyboard

It would be cool to use the touch pad to move the curser while typing. Saves you reaching for the mouse, or using arrow keys. Kinda like how swiping space bar works on most phones.

@gobrien37

Жыл бұрын

I solved this by rebinding my caps lock to a new layer modifier that makes IJKL into my arrows, among other things.

@wsippel

Жыл бұрын

Some DIY boards have solder pads or spare I/O pins for tiny Pimoroni trackballs. My Kyria does, though I've not installed one, so I don't know how well it works.

@Chronon88

Жыл бұрын

Swiping a space bar? Never tried that. Looks like my Android keyboard switches layers that way but I've always used a dedicated button. I have arrow key row below space bar anyway so this is better. (Smart Keyboard Pro)

@Lizlodude

Жыл бұрын

It looks like without their software it's just sending the arrow keys, so swiping should move the cursor, or pretty much do whatever the arrow keys would do in a given situation.

I gotta stop watching these videos before this dude turns me into a keyboard guy

i'll be honest I never understood the smaller keyboards. The only use IMO is if you have limited space but most people that own these have huge desks. Would love to see more of these but in 100%

@Grumbo91

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, i use the num pad and function row every single day.

@toastyboye

Жыл бұрын

it's for ergonomics- smaller keyboards lends more desk space for your mouse, which lets you have it closer too

@Burn8604

Жыл бұрын

Who doesn't use the arrow keys!?!?!?! That trackbar is not a valid replacement for me.

@Sizukun1

Жыл бұрын

I got a 100% size and kinda wish I got a TKL, but I'd also want a separate numpad for calculator and spreadsheet work. But I agree; sucks seeing a race to make keyboards smaller and less useable for adults with adult hands.

@EdijsPerkums

Жыл бұрын

I personally prefer my k95. I got the old k95 with more macro rows than the new one. I understand these small keyboards either.

I read a braindead arstechnica article that popped up in my feed entitled *"Do mechanical keyboards really need arrow keys?"* about this keyboard. Here's a couple of comments from that article that hit the nail on the head: _If you need arrow keys but hate arrow keys, try this touchpad. And you'll never guess where we put it!_ _Yes, they absolutely need arrow keys. Arrow keys are just like alt, tab, space, enter, etc.. They are vital parts of keyboard navigation that makes many tasks faster, easier, and lower effort than repeatedly switching my hands from keyboard to mouse._ _You need arrow keys because they're unambiguous when pushed. Touchpads can sometimes not quite translate the movements exact as you put them in, makes using them when you need to be accurate a nightmare._ _Looks like a bad solution looking for a problem most people don't have._ _A rare violation of Betteridge's Law_

These are the type of keyboards that look nice if someone else owns it.

I really don't understand why someone would use a keyboard with less keys. I use the F keys all the time, i use page up/down home/end and delete all the time, i use print screen all the time. How do you do a Alt F4 in a keyboard like this?

@CoreDreamStudios

Жыл бұрын

Bang head against it. /s

@tjackman

Жыл бұрын

I think this keyboard is meant for the person who wants compromise. I need F keys and modifiers for everything. If you need Alt F4 you'd probably just make a macro for that on this board.

@shippy1001

Жыл бұрын

It's just for difference sake, it's less keys, therefore less function's and cost a lot more... I can understand removing the numbers pad so you have more mouse movement space, but this removes even the freaking Ctrl key...

@pedro4205

Жыл бұрын

@@tjackman But there aren't even a macro row

@pedro4205

Жыл бұрын

@@shippy1001 I can understand a keyboard with no number pad, i use it a lot because i work and play with the same keyboard, but there are a lot of people that don't, but everything else is pretty much essential

Sweet, you can do what you can do with the arrow keys but inconveniently! I constantly use the arrow keys for scrubbing. I love the 8-bits design though.

I remember the Roccat Arvo having little tactile macro keys below the space bar. (and an awesome 96% layout)

@Silv3r.8901

Жыл бұрын

Under rated keyboard that one, used mine for ages

@felixjochems1238

Жыл бұрын

I used mine for so long that keys were no longer visible, unfortunately the USB cable kinda broke at the end but for the price it was so extremely good.

@MrDiarukia

Жыл бұрын

@@felixjochems1238 I poured milk over mine. And they are damn rare for a cheap rubberdome keyboard. One idiot in greece wants to sell it on ebay for 380€ sealed in box

I really, really don't get the appeal of Angry Miao keyboards. But I guess that's just a product not for me, and that's fine. Clearly it is a high quality product

So instead of just calling it a 60% keyboard, they called a 65 less... Why?

@badassgenevideos

Жыл бұрын

​@@eammon_wright doesn't it make it as 35%

@azenyr

Жыл бұрын

It's not even a 60%. It has less keys than a 60%. It's more like a 50%? Pure marketing bs and I'm sad that they insisted so much on this stupid idea in the video

@daniturn

Жыл бұрын

Marketing it makes you stop and look and talk about it that's all they need

@TiB0Y

Жыл бұрын

So the layout of this keyboard is based on the HHKB (Happy Hacking Keyboard), which is pretty much a 60% layout. And the difference to a 65% keyboard is made up by the touchbar.

@Darksainor

Жыл бұрын

"less is more" :D

"Ugh this laptop has case flex" ... "Wow this keyboard has case flex" 🤣

@hansr370

Жыл бұрын

one is the case flexing, the other case is metal, and the flex is part of the plate. and this has lots travel in the switches and a laptop has short keys with no travel, its completely a different feel. I dont go on a trampoline and say omg the bounce is too much and get on carpet and say, oh there is too much flex in my wood floor

a quick tour of the what modifier keys actually were would've been nice and what function layers they keyboard(s) have to offer

I guess the gimmick feels natural because that's what we are already used to having with laptops. Using our thumbs also to play with the touchbar.

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

If only they made keyboards with trackpads on them (they do)

@benjiderrick4590

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and on a laptop it's actually frustrating enough to not use the track pad. So putting this on a desktop sounds like windows 8 to me.

The prices for this is insane. This is not a usable product, like it's more like a centerpiece.

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

You just summed up the modern enthusiast keyboard market

Love the key click sounds

Goodness that keyboard click sounds so good

All 5 pin switches can fit into 3 pin slots. You just gotta cut off the 2 plastic feet to put them in. Ive done it to all my switches for my current keyboard

@Purvit

Жыл бұрын

@윤진 Yunjin It's because if you want to do a plateless build your switches are ruined.

The end of each of these keyboard reviews seems to be "it's hard to justify that price but if you want something cool maybe it's for you"

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

Cause they cost as much as a GPU or an entry level whole computer.

@ericajiang8917

Жыл бұрын

@@profosist people also spend 200 dollars on a GMK keycap set. It's an expensive hobby

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

@@ericajiang8917 right but that demographic isn't the bulk of LTT's audience

@ericajiang8917

Жыл бұрын

@@profosist totally right. lots of people here don't understand why keebs less than 75% exist.

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

@@ericajiang8917 I remember when those were a bit over $100

I see a lot of discourse about the removal of arrow keys and its pretty valid. Personally I use split keyboards and something called Extend. I can hold a modifier (caps lock for me) and the buttons where my right hand sits for touch typing temporarily become up,down,left and right. I would use this even on a non split keyboard now its just lovely. So I could easily use this keyboard but I'm certain most people wouldn't make that adjustment.

14:18 summarizes basically most Angry Miao products.

The touchbar is nice but having it instead of the actual keys and not having the full bottom row ones is just an apple move for absolutely no reason.

@ImJustPassingThrough

Жыл бұрын

The front placement seems really awkward to use. I would have to pull my hand back towards me to use it and that would get tiring. Side makes more sense if it is useful at all.

@Aves_1

Жыл бұрын

The functionality is to be “unique”

@kinger2005

Жыл бұрын

Its an hhkb layout popularized in the Japanese Market 20 years ago. The touchbar is not related to the omission of the arrow keys

@haste953

Жыл бұрын

@@kinger2005 It's still a garbage layout, for gaming even workloads this is useless and you're better off with other keyboards which don't sacrifice feel, sound and performance. After all, this keyboard is not exactly "cheap" so options are very plentiful

It's very clever of them to call it "65 less" instead of "HHKB more". It's just not that many ppl know what HHKB is.

They look awesome. I prefer the Laser myself as I find myself using the arrow keys, and the home, del, pg up and pg dn keys a lot. I do love a 65. My KBDFans Tofu 65 with Kiwis is super nice. It is one of the nicest cnc'd cases I've seen. As a miller myself I really appreciate it when companies put the effort into the fit and finish of their products. They are about to release the Tofu 60 and 65 2.0, which I am really tempted to treat myself to.

"It should feel as natural as hitting the spacebar with your thumb" When I'm typing I almost always use my right index finger, but when gaming I use my left thumb.

They can call that a 65 if they want, but it's a 60, with the keys it's missing.

I love custom keyboards but wow do those touch controls look like the most gimmicky, and frustrating thing to try and use as someone who is an avid enjoyer of dedicated arrow keys. Not a keyboard for me, but I like seeing keyboards on the channel! MORE.

Plouffe should start watching LTT/SC in order to use the arrows more often, to skip through the sponsor plugs.

@falsemcnuggethope

Жыл бұрын

Or learn to select text with a keyboard instead of a mouse.

Wrist rest looks like a must for such a thick keyboard, but that would be in the way of the touchbar...

When did the term "colorway" bleed into general parlance? I swear I'd never heard it before 2021. Not crapping on it, but we didn't seem to have trouble just saying "color-scheme", "paint-style", etc. in the past.

@hansr370

Жыл бұрын

probably shoes, sneaker heads call colourway all the time

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

​@@hansr370 wouldn't be surprised because the keyboard Market is going much more that direction past couple years

Everything angry miao makes is a meme.

I like the arrow keys on my Kinesis Advantage, where left/right is on the left hand and up/down is on the right hand, so you don't need to move your hands either. But you do have proper buttons.

It's pretty neat, but yeah it's just really expensive. Like, the upper models are 'get a current gen console' expensive near enough (and a game or several, if we're talking about the Switch). As far as controls for when I watch a video, I just used a small wireless keyboard device called a Rii. It's basically a small keyboard + (crappy) touchpad about the size of a small controller (but pretty thin). With that I can jump/scrub back and forth in a video, and use the various keyboard shortcuts for the player (like 'c' for captions). In the event I want to jump large chunks of video, or if I want to click on another video like on YT, I can use the crappy touchpad for that. The Rii is no good for proper typing, as it's more an oversized blackberry (or on screen keyboard) in that respect, so dual wield thumbs if you're good at it I guess, but yeah I type and control M+KB games with my regular keyboard. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it if someone was keen on finding a decent way to control their video playback on their computer without using their main keyboard. I use it when I kicking back and watching videos on my computer.

Even though you would have to be entirely out of your goddamn mind to pay that much for it, I do appreciate that for once they reviewed a keyboard that isn’t already sold out by the time the video is released…

@scorpio9991

Жыл бұрын

Yea, because nobody bought it, this keyboard equivalent would be like designing a car without side mirrors because it "looks cool"

@JasonEllins

Жыл бұрын

Its not sold out because no one wants to buy it

@johnwest6083

Жыл бұрын

This entire video is a sponsored ad by the manufacturer. They wouldn't release it unless they had product to sell.

@Terrobility

Жыл бұрын

@@johnwest6083 It's not sponsored - it's exclusive access. They sent LMG the product for free to check out.

@johnwest6083

Жыл бұрын

@Terrobility and they didnt roast it like they obviously should

A keyboard without numpad and arrows keys I skip doesn't matter how good it is, I still don't know how someone uses this keyboard.

@hedlund

Жыл бұрын

I use a 65% (iirc) board for typing, and a separate numpad. I don't tend to use my arrow keys much because emacs, but that one I can see being *really* annoying if you use the arrows a lot.

@hansr370

Жыл бұрын

Because many people never touched a numberpad in thier life, I know I do not. There is no use for me, I dont type number that often

Those light up clear caps look so cool!!

@TheTyisawesome

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps if the weren't gloss it would be better for typing

what was the first keyboard he puts away, that 65% one with the knob??

I definitely thought that was going to be a trackpad for the mouse. Losing the arrow keys is not an upgrade 😂 I want a wireless keyboard with the red nub like my Lenovo laptop! I saw Lenovo made one themselves but the reviews were pretty bad

@mcall9800

Жыл бұрын

Check out the TEX Shinobi and their other keyboard. They are great, I have 2.

@benchristensen1526

Жыл бұрын

@@mcall9800 thanks! I’ll add that to the wishlist. Looks great. I wish it was wireless for my living room PC setup, but this could still be worth it

Hopefully the use of wireless charging for keyboards becomes more common. The video done on the topic for LTT made me realize how convenient it would be. As for the Touch Bar, I was half-expecting something along the lines of what we used to have on a MacBook Pro.

@nora.explora

Жыл бұрын

Why though a keyboard doesn't move 😅 just use a cable it's more effective and faster

@s01itarygaming

Жыл бұрын

idk man. I guess it depends what size of battery you put in your keyboard, but I'd much rather just have a keyboard that can easily switch between wired and wireless.

@RaveN_EDM

Жыл бұрын

For smaller keyboards, I like to bring it with me to use for my iPad or for those who play/work on a laptop while also owning a desktop. I have my TV hooked up to my PC and switch back and forth with my desktop monitors and being able to move my keyboard to my bed where my tv is at is very convenient.

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

I made it only matters because they chock it full of LEDs ignore those an it'll last for at least 6 months probably

@aleks138

Жыл бұрын

You can move a keyboard even if it has a cable. Unless you're walking around with your keyboard having a cable is a non issue.

Disappointed that the box for the cybertruck one wasnt just empty

I know some doctors and nurses who would buy that in a millisecond even at that price. With all the typing they do for documentation, and moving from text box to drop down to text box it makes perfect sense to never have to move your hands. Plus it’s small enough to keep in their backpack. So it’s always with them, whatever computer they can find. Honestly considering how much I love my friend and if I should buy them this.

Plouffe's catch phrase: "My one complaint". My dude, it's not your one complaint if its your third "one complaint".

I appreciate the aesthetics but man, I NEED separate function row. I use those for keybinds in and out of games. Never understood 65%s.

@potato8236

Жыл бұрын

You just use layers instead instead of dedicated keys. Doesn't work well for fast paced games, but for slow games or productive work it's wonderful. I've been using a split keyboard with a total of 36 keys for years now and never looked back for coding and writing. Only for gaming I'm using a bigger keyboard.

That reminds me of my Razer Lycosa Mirror. Still have it in storage, it was flippin awesome, just wish it was mechanical.

That’s probably the thickest keyboard I’ve seen yet!

@falsemcnuggethope

Жыл бұрын

Hello wrist pain my old friend

So basically you got a smaller keyboard that cuts off keys....then got a touch screen that functions as the keys you cut off? 🤦

@haifito

Жыл бұрын

and dont forget the extra $$$ you gotta pay

Companies need to start focusing on developing silent mechanical switches and keyboards, I only know one company so far that makes a near silent mechanical switch. I made a custom keyboard with those switches simply because my discord friends started complaining about how loud my previous mechanical keyboard was, and even using background noise cancellation and constant muting myself it was still an issue. Honestly, they were right, being on a call with a continuous clicking noise is really frustrating.

@henrirobbins2343

Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of great silent options out there. My personal favorites are Gazzew Bobagum switches in a gummy o-ring mount keyboard. I would imagine the lack of silent switches isn't because people don't want them. Instead, it's because most switches are tuned around sound, and a silent switch can only have one sound: silent. Once that's been figured out, there's not many ways to innovate besides different spring weights and increasing smoothness.

@frenzy07_

Жыл бұрын

Boba U4 is a thing mate

@hansr370

Жыл бұрын

STOP using blue switches lol, there are millions of slient switches out there already and unless you have some studio quality mic they are dead silent on the mic

@s01itarygaming

Жыл бұрын

it actually triggers me how many silent linear switch options there are. I really prefer switches with at least tactile feedback, but there's just not a lot of people making better switches in that market compared to silent linears.

@nickthaskater

Жыл бұрын

​@@s01itarygaming Gazzew U4, Wuque WS Silent, Durock Shrimp and Blue Macaw, Zeal Zilent and many others are silent tactile options.

I cant believe you've never opened a box and stated 'Oh look its a message from our sponsor' Seems like a missed opportunity. 🤷‍♀

I can already say this is not a keyboard for me even though the 8 bit looks nice. But i actually have some games were i need arrow keys

For once Plouffe came prepared by having an example product to compare against

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

Except it was a 65% and that's a 60%

Its not a 65% its a HHKB. You can also cut the 2 plastic pins off the 5 pin switches and use them in that PCB for that keyboard.

could it be used for scrubbing through video footage in like Premiere Pro?

for the people talking about the format and the lack of arrow keys, this is close to the "HHKB" layout which is symmetrical like this one and also doesn't have arrow keys. A good amount of people swear by that one and love the way it looks, and they use layers for the arrow keys. So, if you compare it to that one the *addition* of a touchpad is actually a plus, rather than a minus. The world of custom keyboards is kinda kooky and it's definitely a niche asf hobby so please temper your expectations. If you like a specific layout stick with it! There's nothing wrong with it, but you don't have to shit on enthusiast level products just because to you it doesn't make sense.

@profosist

Жыл бұрын

It's missing the split backspace though #RIP

Anything is better than a magic keyboard

@johnd5740

Жыл бұрын

Unless you like scatology

@glareeedowotb

Жыл бұрын

yo mozart, i've been waiting for that new album for decades, where is it duh

@katherinemorton9126

Жыл бұрын

Leave off my Magic Keyboard…

Curious if we could get a one year evaluation of the Wooting 60HE. I’m interested if the actuation/tuning software has been refined since, or if it’s just kinda fallen off the face of the universe. The granularity of Hall Effect keyboards is still fascinating, but I haven’t really heard about any HE stuff that’s not controller focused.

@johnwest6083

Жыл бұрын

A cursory search across KZread would let you know the Wooting 60HE and Wooting 2 HE are the best gaming keyboards money can buy, and probably need to be banned from competitive E-sports. OSU players were literally keeping this board a secret because the rapid fire software allows them to make plays far past their normal ability. The number 1 OSU player broke the all time pp record directly after acquiring one. If I am being honest with you, I don't think LTT is a good place to learn about gear or reviews anymore. They have mistakes in almost all of their recent videos, don't seem to grasp what actually makes new products good, and it seems like they only "review" products as ads these days. They don't seem to care either, look at this video as an example. This is an objectively terrible board that is horrendously overpriced, riddled with marketing gimmicks, and doesn't even come with a USB cable. It wasn't that long ago where the only time you would see a product like this on an LTT channel was to roast it as hard as possible.

What’s the white 65 that he compares with at the beginning??

There was one thing that made this keyboard dead to me the moment I first saw it. The left control key position. An enthusiast brand like angry miao should know that most people who buy their keyboards are gamers and therefore uses the control key regularly for stuff like crouching. Having the control key in that awkward position is a massive oversight from their designers.

@hansr370

Жыл бұрын

actually totally wrong haha, most of them are keyboard nerds LOL and they love the control at cap lock position, I dont know why but they do and that is their target audience, gamers are second

@nikod615

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@@hansr370 Thast's funny. Most of the people I know in the keyboard enthusiast community are of course building keyboards. But when they're not they usually like gaming in their free time. I've built some keyboards in my time and I personally hate that sort of layout because it's impractical and hard getting used to.

@dakaringer

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HHKB 60% layout isn't an exactly a new layout and it is designed more for typing than gaming. Never used one myself but I heard the control is more comfortable reach in the caps lock position (and when was the last time you used caps lock). Arrow keys in this layout is usually done with layers (something like fn + pkl;) so that you don't have to have your hands leave the alphas. And lets face it, people who would buy this keyboard wouldn't stop at 1 keyboard so they would most likely have a separate keyboard for gaming.

@nikod615

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@@dakaringer That's true. I just personally hate that layout and find it unfortunate that there isn't an option for the traditional control key placement. I'm looking into building a keyboard on my own atm and had hoped the next drop from angry miao might be what I would go with. That's probably not going to be the case since I dislike the layout.

So it’s a 60% but not a 60%… got it.

What is that white keyboard with the knob on?

What's the ring that Bell's wearing at 13:16?

I guess it's just preference, but I find it strange how keyboard flex is a negative on laptops, but a positive for keyboards

@q1joe

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This is predictable I feel, also this is the keys moving vs the entire deck and platform of a laptop moving

@hansr370

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Yeah but keyboard flex on a laptop is different because its a different switchm mx mechnical switches have long travel and sometimes a hard hitting bottom out, so its nice to have some flex. laptop keystrokes are too short so if there is flex it feel like you are pressing into a cheap bending plastic table

@RaveN_EDM

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For a laptop, flexing on the keyboard means the laptop itself is flexing and not as sturdy which is important cuz you carry it around. Keyboards sit on the desk most of the time, durability isn’t a huge factor.

@profosist

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Complete different types of switches and amounts of travel. Also traditionally it's not wbat someone just founf something else new to offer. The keyboard market always needs something new because any eve half decent board will last you 20+ years.

@ericajiang8917

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Also there's not enough internal room to fit in leaf-spring mount on any thin keyboard.

Thats enough for a CPU or GPU upgrade for most people, hard no.

@hansr370

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and insignificantly cheap for people with water cooled rigs with 4090 in it so there are plenty of customers. and they are only making like a few hundred they will sell, you are not their target anyway

What are some full-size keyboards (with media keys and macros) that sound like this one?

@symbus872

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unless you're gonna be doing something like heavily modding a Keychron Q6 you're not really gonna get close to this sound with a full-size, they aren't really made

Anybody know what the board with the knob is?

It's a 60% HHKB. With a touch bar. No, I don't think a keyboard in this price range should come with a cable. That's a waste of money and useless environmental impact. I don't think the PCB is 3 pin only either, the poron foam is just not punctured where the 2 extra pins are because no 5 pin was ever installed and the only precut is for the center stem and LED (as you can tell by the fringing on the pin hole etc). Not a fan of the touch meme I think. Maybe it would be neat to have one on the right side of a keyboard though instead of a knob in the top right corner. That way you can keep all the keys people expect on a 65% and still include extra functionality there. Unsure about the cost and how easily supported that is in QMK though. I've become very averse to anything non-QMK since I picked up the QK65 tri mode, because the firmware has weird issues and QK doesn't seem to know what they're doing. For example, the BT is faster than the RF dongle. By quite a bit, actually.

@profosist

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Couldn't agree more with the first two statements what's the point of a cable I'm just going to throw away and use my own

Not kidding, this is hidious. A keyboard thats a chore to use, its tall and heavy and cramped, the RGB is shit i dont think i can see the keys properly, the price obviously i far, far far prefer a cheap keyboard for a fiver to this

What was that first keyboard? The white one, anyone know?

Whats the name of the keyboard at 3:07 ?

I can't think of anything worse for a keyboard than no arrow keys and that touchpad in the front.

@BezziTube

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it's like devolution of a keyboard xDDD

My Goodness, Noctua themed keyboard ;)

Have you tried putting in a 5pin switch? The holes may just be covered by the PE foam

I would have liked to see the software for this.

I think the point of not including a cable is like not including pedals on a modern performance bike. Everyone is going to need a different length, style, and colors to match the setup. No sense in including a cable that 60?% of people aren't going to use.

@profosist

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Bingo. 90% of the time that cable goes into a box to never be used again.

I don't think you can compare the price of this keyboard to normal stuff. Its a rare product and more of a piece of art then a tool. People like me would never buy such a thing, even for half the price, but others who are into it will pay any price.

@Aves_1

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“Piece of art” Pal, its a slab of aluminum, some LEDs, and some keys. Sure, some of their stuff is like art; especially the macross inspired ones, but not this in any way

We wanna see that mat!

As soon as you get used to arrow keys and home / end / ctrl arrow keys / ctrl home / ctrl end mapped to your function keys so you aren't moving your hand around, you realize how silly all this other stuff is haha

Another review of something exclusive and or overpriced.. good job guys.

God these keyboard reviews are really pretentious

7:25 "I don't need all this flex"...typing on a $500 keyboard without arrow keys...seems to me that flex is what it's about.

@14:28 Was this filmed in January or did you mean March 2nd?

This is a keyboard made by people that follow trends without knowing a single thing about keyboards. All the features, even if they're useless.

First

Anyone know where I can get those clear black keycaps?

As a programmer, I like the idea of having touch bar on thumb to emulate arrow keys. Emacs (and bash emacs key bindings) use C-P etc keys so you can quickly move cursor around while typing. However, not all editors can be easily customized (partly due to too many key bindings). So a more generic approach using touch bar to move cursor without having the right hand leaving the home row would be really cool. If the touch pad could be replaced with physical buttons, I could imagine that could lead to more precise controls. I would totally get a TKL keyboard with additional arrow buttons / touch bar below the space bar.

what's peoples "god tier" 75% or TKL board, I'm really digging my keychron V1, considering a Q1 pro but curious what other good options are

@markmason2045

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Qwertykeys QK75 or upcoming QK80 are the next tier up. Then you get into the really expensive stuff like Jelly Epoch or Mr Suit.

the second he said no control key I knew i couldn't get it I use it all the time

When he pulled out the 2nd keyboard, my mind was like Darth Vader

What’s the other keyboard at 3:09? Edit: I found it! If anyone else is wondering, it’s a Meletrix Zoom 65!

Soo.. how does one do ctrl+c ctrl+v on this thing?

So the "touch arrows" are just worse than normal arrows? Also what about the other "bar" on the back side (next to USB C)? Does it work or what. because it looks same as the front one to me.

@rasrandir

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The case is aluminium, which blocks Bluetooth signals. You find these kinds of "windows" on almost all Bluetooth boards that are made of aluminium. It allows the signal to get out of the case

that intro jumpscared me i thought I was watching a ServeTheHome video

These keyboards that are missing half of the keys seem like keyboards for people who don't know how to use a keyboard.

This is hhkb layout but the key positions are different.. I’m confused, why not just do the same?