Are commandos in Bad Batch too underpowered?

@ben69real

Жыл бұрын

100%.

@ben69real

Жыл бұрын

Also think Scorch (the only commando who's shown a real level of skill with the fight in s1. 14) should've been developed more this season. Really hoping that he gets some real attention next season.

@expandedshorts

Жыл бұрын

@@ben69real I feel like we also need answers to why the rest of Delta Squad isn't with Scorch (either in a comic, video game, show)

@cluner24

Жыл бұрын

yes

@biggsdarklighter0473

Жыл бұрын

@@expandedshorts Maybe they are, just in redocarated armor. I mean it wiould totally be in character for fixxer at least, as a pure, uncomplicated soldier at least. Regulation exists? Gotta follow regulation. And sev was left behind on kashyyyk.

Maybe they really are regs, crosstrained to fill the ranks of the commandos. Its what happened in the republic commando novels when the empire took control because so many of the real commandos had been lost due to casualties or desertion

@colin8696908

Жыл бұрын

no we have heard them talk multiple times and they are defiantly clone commandos.

@datmanar481

Жыл бұрын

@@colin8696908 bro they are all clones, so voice cannot be a factor. Cross-trained clones do exist according to legends and the guy has a point

@tylerellis9097

Жыл бұрын

@@datmanar481 Baker gives all the commandos in the show gruff voices though, could still be regs but their voices are intentionally differentiated from Regular clone troopers

@weiqiaocheng9185

Жыл бұрын

​@@tylerellis9097isn't it possible that the helmet just alters the way they sound?

@brotherhoodofsteelsoldier1356

Жыл бұрын

@@datmanar481 that would be a god awful reason though

I really hope that the clone commandos are new clone recruits and the real commandos have deserted, because otherwise I just can't explain their lack of competence.

@MellowBTW

Жыл бұрын

If the writers wanted to write their way out of this than this would be a perfect and reasonable reason for why the commandos are so garbage in bad batch.

@willoesd2449

Жыл бұрын

i wouldn't say their incompetent it's probably that the bad batch is just way better than them in every way. and like it was said in the video the commandos also aren't being used properly

@BallPlayer17127

Жыл бұрын

Still wouldn’t change anything bc they still have commando training

@BallPlayer17127

Жыл бұрын

@@willoesd2449that not an excuse bc they still have individual training

@BthereorBsquared

Жыл бұрын

@@willoesd2449 By the force, another bad take

I think Scorch has been performing very well. Every time he encounters members of the Bad Batch, he gives them a run for their money. He nearly killed Gregor and then tried to fight the whole squad the first time they met and he captured Omega during their last encounter. When the rest of the commandos are failing around him, he still does very well.

@Padgriffin

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Scorch was outnumbered 3 to 1 (not counting Gregor), you can see his attention is focused on Tech on his left when he gets hit by multiple stun shots from Hunter and Echo. There’s genuinely not much he could’ve done better there in that scene.

@zeusz3237

6 ай бұрын

I think, if it would come down to pure hand to hand combat, if the whole of the Delta squad would come at once (excpet Sev of course), I wouldn't be that surprised if Boss could beat Hunter, or even have a decent fight with Wrecker (since he is more agile), as the leader of the most succesfull commando squads...

@k90v85

3 ай бұрын

​@@zeusz3237wrecker doesnt wear his helmet when fighting them lol, ez win

@Slixx1

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, then scorch died

They definitely need to develop Scorch more & possibly show the rest of the Delta squad. I mean why does it seem like the writers aren’t allowed to use them?

@aidantaylor117

Жыл бұрын

maybe they’ll use the bad batch and delta squad to rescue scorch and crosshair

@Icemansam44

Жыл бұрын

Because of Karen Travis. She was adamant that all the rights and royalties were hers. Or something like that.

@marco002

Жыл бұрын

I mean the show is called Bad Batch, not Delta Squad.. I don't know why so many ppl want to turn it into a Delta Squad show.. why don't you ask for a separate show for them?

@zachseabass7414

Жыл бұрын

@@marco002 Because Delta Squad are legendary commandos from an awesome game fromtimes before disney messed everything up in SW. And there are a lot of loose plot ends that need closure.

@marco002

Жыл бұрын

@@zachseabass7414first of all that is not an asnwer for my question, I literally wrote that if you want then ask for a delta squad show.. " before disney messed everything up in SW" except the new trilogy a tons of things is far better in the current canon than in legends.. just to bring up 1 example Vader and Sidious.. Sidious is not afraid of Vader, Vader did not lose midichlorian and he is not limited by his suit (as even Sidious encouraged him to modify it as he sees fit).. not to mention the fact that Sidious is pushing Vader to his offlimits and always welcomes if Vader wants to challenge him.. cause that is the way of the sith, not the legends bs, where Sidious was holding back Vader and was afraid of him

In season 3 I want to see Delta Squad actively hunting the Bad Batch like a constant cat and mouse chase. They are never safe sitting still because the Deltas are always on their way.

@maninanikittycat4238

Жыл бұрын

That was what I thought too! Heck maybe Delta squad could have parallels with the bad batch in terms of personality

@carpediem9750

2 ай бұрын

Yeah about that ...😂

@fizzisoda7113

2 ай бұрын

@@carpediem9750 Final season was disappointing

@carpediem9750

2 ай бұрын

@@fizzisoda7113 i stop it since S2 i know how Filloni work and i knew how gonna end... Tech was suprise but still ... No clone reb no Delta Squad just Ashoka i mean, Omega and his special boys ... 😴😴😴😴😴

The commandos are too underpowered. Although, Scorch is dominating, if it is Scorch at least.

@expandedshorts

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Scorch definitely seems the best out of all the Bad Batch commandos so far

@goldenghost2676

Жыл бұрын

It’s scorch, it was confirmed this season in the credits of the zillo beast episode

@dragonleo_

Жыл бұрын

And even he got nerfed by using a DC-15 rifle instead of a DC-17m.

@Slixx1

2 ай бұрын

It’s scorch, but then he dies

I really think this is due to The Bad Batch themselves essentially being a replacement of Delta Squad in canon by Dave Filoni. Over the years, he's had the habit of making his own original creations overpower fan favorites, both from the EU, and Legacy characters created by George Lucas. I know people really like TCW and Rebels, but for people who grew up with Star Wars before them, it was severely disappointing to see how underutilized and re-written characters who meant a lot to fans beforehand became. You're absolutely right, the clone commandos are being utilized in this fashion to showcase how much better TBB is, which just undermines both groups. It doesn't make TBB better, it makes them unearned, and it ruins Delta Squad and RCs in genera. They already did this with ARC Troopers, making them regular clones, rather than genetically superior clones who were trained by Jango Fett. One of the worst examples of this, is Aurra Sing. Since her inception around The Phantom Menace, she was a Force user. She was a former Jedi padawan who'd been captured by pirates, and trained by a vampiric race, the Anzati. She became a ruthless bounty hunter, but was also a Jedi killer. She bested some of the Order's finest Masters, and was quite cunning. She was a recurring character throughout the Dark Horse comics and some of the novels (which were in the same continuity). She was even in deleted scenes for The Phantom Menace, where she was to fight Qui Gon and Obi-Wan. Then, when TCW introduced her, they nixed all of that, just to make her a regular bounty hunter with no Force abilities, and she's killed off screen, as mentioned in Solo, by a character who'd never be able to contend with her originally. Grievous is another one. I know that Lucas didn't care for his portrayal in the 2003 Clone Wars, but Genndy Tartakovsky even said they were given a couple directives to go with, one was that he was a Jedi killer, the other was that he was a mustache twirling villain, so they went with the former, because that was better for the show and made more sense to them. Grievous in Revenge of the Sith was a disappointment, even when I saw it in theaters. The marketing for the movie even hyped him up. Lucas didn't want him to be as prolific of a Jedi killer, because he thought he'd be too close to Darth Vader, a cyborg who hunts down Jedi, not seeing how the two characters are completely different. Grievous was terrifying and had appeal because he had no Force powers, yet was so fast that even though Jedi could see his movements through the Force, they were physically incapable of reacting fast enough to stop him. Lucas has had some issues with characters as far back as the OT, and was balanced out a lot more when people, such as Marcia Lucas, Irvin Kershner, or even the actors themselves, challenged him on his decisions. Lucas is a great visionary, but has always needed balance when it comes to writing and characters. There are a lot of other issues I could talk about, such as Dave Filoni introducing The World Between Worlds as a device to save Ahsoka, usurping Lucas's decision to have her killed off prior to the OT, and when Lucas was no longer in authority, essentially altering the lore behind the Force, something no other creator has ever done in Star Wars. I'm glad that to an extent fans of the newer shows have gotten to see their stuff in canon, but it came at a price; everything that had been Star Wars beforehand, was essentially erased, and a lot of it was watered down. I don't get why Dave Filoni has to take other people's works and disregard them. I thought it was outright disrespectful to use the Tales of the Jedi title and logo, make it nothing about the original story, and then not even acknowledge Tom Veitch, the author, who just died. He worked directly with Lucas to lay the foundation of the Old Republic era. Everything in KOTOR and the Old Republic is based on the Tales of the Jedi comics that came out in 1994. That'd be like making Knights of the Old Republic, then not having Revan or anything originally in it, and making it some short stories about Prequel era Jedi and Ahsoka. I'm not looking to get hate or get into arguments, I'm just pointing out a pattern. I also really don't like how Dave Filoni in interviews has stated that Luke isn't really a Jedi, and how Ahsoka had more training them him, as if she's better, when she's a character who not only has no affect on either Lucas trilogy in film, despite how well written she is in the shows, but also couldn't beat or turn Vader. It also doesn't make sense to say that Luke isn't a Jedi because he didn't go through the trials, and then say Anakin is, because Anakin also did not go through the trials. It also goes against the whole "the Jedi were too dogmatic". Being a Jedi doesn't necessitate going through set trials. That misses the whole point of being a Jedi in the first place. Luke, just as his father, completed his journey to become a Jedi through the trials he faced in his life and the deeds he accomplished, and even Yoda said his journey would be complete once he confronted Vader. Filoni's stance goes against everything George Lucas has said for over 40 years, and even Jon Favreau openly disagreed. Not trying to hate on Filoni, but that does come across as incredibly disrespectful. It doesn't matter if you like Luke or not, Lucas has been very clear that Luke is a Jedi and the OT is his journey to becoming one.

@DoubleU159

Жыл бұрын

I ain’t fuckin reading all that

@jams1942

Жыл бұрын

Based take

@manumainio3451

Жыл бұрын

Finally someone said it. Filoni is a fanfic writer. Seeing his favourites and wolffy wolfsons getting the spotlight in every show, while characters like Thrawn become jobbers is infuriating.

@chocov1233

4 ай бұрын

@@jams1942Yes. Very based.

@ethanbrown2019

25 күн бұрын

And people still call me an idiot for not liking Filoni... It's nice to see someone else who understands that Filoni isn't the 'good guy' here. I'll go as far as to say he's just as bad as KK just with better writing.

Having played the republic commando game and reading all of karen travis's republic commando books, they are portrayed terribly in the bad batch. War mantle probably showed them in the truest light, but barely scratched the surface. realistically I think the imperial commandos lack of ability to be a commando is most likely plot armor because we can't have all the bad batch characters get killed in their first encounter with these guys(even though thats what would result).

@LordVader1094

9 ай бұрын

Why one or the other? You can have the heroes evade the commandos instead of winning every time.

@galacticcustoms3919

9 ай бұрын

@@LordVader1094 thats true, they could evade. but in direct combat as seen in the finale of season 2, it felt a little wrong.

Considering that the Bad Batch are themselves technically Clone Commandos, the skill level is evened out which would make them seem underpowered, when in reality the fight is on even footing, which is especially noticeable when the Bad Batch is up against the TK troopers, who they almost always overpower in every fight. Also, the empire probably uses them as they seem to be far more loyal than the regs while still being just as skillful if not more.

@LordVader1094

9 ай бұрын

Bad Batch are not technically Clone Commandos, no idea where you get that from. Bad Batch are just mutated versions of regular clones.

@DrAmethyst

9 ай бұрын

@@LordVader1094 The gear they use, especially the DC-17m, is on par with what a clone commando uses, the fact that they're a squad used for missions outside of what regs would be used for, and not to mention that the HUD in their helmets is identical to the one used in the Star Wars: Republic Commando video game. They may not be your standard clone commandos, especially because they are genetically altered, but that doesn't mean they aren't clone commandos at all. Even the Wookieepedia mentions multiple times that Clone Force 99 (The Bad Batch) are Clone Commandos. No idea what makes you think they're not.

@the-orange-man

4 ай бұрын

The guy is speaking facts​@LordVader1094

@Oppen1945

3 ай бұрын

​@@DrAmethystThey're an experimental clone special forces unit that gets access to high end gear, that's it. Your arguments boil down to "They use some of the same gear" "They aren't like regular commandos at all, but that doesn't mean they aren't Commandos" "Wookipeedia calls them Commandos" 1. Just because they use *some* of the gear (emphasis on some) doesn't mean they are Commandos. 2. That's exactly it, they don't operate like Commandos. Their genetically different because they're an experimental unit, if "Clone Commando" is an umbrella term for clone special forces then sure they are. But other than that they aren't and that's by design. 3. Well Wookipeedia still lists Echo as an ARC trooper, even though he doesn't use any of the ARC trooper gear and fights in an, as you say, clone Commando unit. If he transferred to a Commando unit he would therefore be a Commando too.

@Yusufqxq

3 ай бұрын

Clone Commandos were trained by Jango s chosen mandalorians and bounty hunters.Og Clones and arcs are better trained then any clones we have seen in canon.As Jango himself put it: "You're the best in your field-the best soldiers, tacticians, sappers, communicators, survival experts. I picked you personally because I want you to train the best commandos in the galaxy. You'll have everything you need, whatever you want, except one thing-home. This is a top-secret project. You'll not tell anyone where you're going and you'll not leave Kamino, ever. As far as your friends and family are concerned, you're already dead."

Honestly they should've just used regular clone troopers with the addition of some Commandos and make them have more realistic scenes like them taking Wrecker hostage, hopefully next season we'll see Delta Squad and that'll make up for some of the others incompetence but it's clearly just a death trooper treatment but canonically it makes zero sense CF99 are trained by the exact same people who train the regular commandos so there's no chance CF99 mops the floor with Commandos, maybe the writers will find a way to write this off, or maybe in new cannon Commandos are just garbage.... :(

@viperson9818

Жыл бұрын

I mean in many cases even legends had plenty of these terrible preforming clone commandos. Just that canon love making their antagonist special forces straight garbage.

@anti-dreamstansunited3391

Жыл бұрын

​@@viperson9818 in the EU, it makes a lot of sense. Commandos aren't really effective for regular infantry task. That's why almost 5k of em died in Geonosis.

I honestly just hated the implementation of them in general. The same way they feel like regs I felt like there was too many of them and they lost both their status and uniqueness in certain ways.

Clone comandos were kept as instructors, maybe that’s why they weren’t sent to missions, as they were kept as TK babysitters.

@Andrew-xo6hl

Жыл бұрын

That doesnt explain the criticism, the fact they they are weak as hell here.

Clone commandos and 41st clone troopers always makes me hungry for McDonald's

commandos got the super battle droid treatment

>Plot armor for Disneys self insert characters makes originally cool and dangerous units/characters from the pre-Disney era now seem lame and garbage because Disney loves tearing down that which it has not created Predictable.

Commando need better scenes that are good

I get that, though I kinda felt like it was because the Commandos are going up against the Bad Batch who are meant to be pretty much the most elite Clones that the Kaminoans ever produced so they seem weak in comparison.

@manumainio3451

Жыл бұрын

Yea they just forget how to aim or fight the moment they see Filonis super hero clones coming for them.

@LordVader1094

9 ай бұрын

@@manumainio3451 Yep, suddenly all the competence of the elites drains away to make the main characters look good instead of writing competent villains. I guess that's the Bad Batch's superpower!

Welcome to the filoni era of star wars, where characters are powerscaled to depressing levels (grievous, maul, commandos...) excpet for his favorite characters ofc (plo koon, ashoka..)

This is felony's way. When the clones are the villains, then they are as weak as the stormtroopers are.

0:04 love how Hunter knocks him out with a kick to the chest... In full armour...

And here’s the third creator pointing this out. Yeah, Filoni has ruined the commandos. Turned them into everyday goons that can’t fight.

@battlefieldpro12345

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, im tired of people saying the Sad Batch is just more skilled when the ICs barley put up a fight aside from Scorch. The writers are messing up hard in this series.

homie was let down

Thank you for making this video

I feel like people forget that the bad batch are commandos, and more specialized ones at that. So the normal commandos may seem a bit underpowered because they are fighting better commandos

@nomos_lol

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. That’s my opinion too

@HoundOfGod

Жыл бұрын

you're forgetting BB are just mutated regs, trained as commandos. While commandos are genetically enhanced super soldier clones also WITH commando training. At best while fighting in scenarios where the mutations of the BB allow for a huge advantage the normal commandos should be winning in a 1 to 1 basis on a frontal confrontation. Not including the better gear and kit.

@purplesamurai5205

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Df-sl4he

Жыл бұрын

@@HoundOfGod You are incorrect. Nowhere does it state that they were "regs", as all reference to the Bad Batch has used the particular word choice of "mutated clones". Commandos are still clones, are they not? So, you cannot say with certainty that they are just mutated regs as no such thing has been said. If anything more signs point to them being bred as Commandos than regs. Afterall, all clone commandos are, are enhanced clones, not too different from the Bad Batch (we also cannot say for certainty that they did not undergo the same, if not more training than Commandos). For example, all of the Bad Batch are canonically wearing modified Katarn-class armor, they are genetically enhanced clones bred in a group of 4, and Wrecker uses a DC-17m in standard mode, a gun that is associated with Commandos. Although there is no official designation outside of "Special Forces", its foolish to say they are just "mutated regs", with any sort of conviction. (Plus, Wookieepedia has them classified as Clone Commandos, but I always take that source with a grain of salt starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_Force_99#:~:text=The%20Bad%20Batch%2C%20formerly%20known,active%20during%20the%20Clone%20Wars.)

@lankywang9543

Жыл бұрын

Thats such a weak explanation though. If that was the case then they shouldn't of even had a slight struggle with every other enemy. For the minimal resistance commandos give them then every other enemy they've encountered should of been defeated in microseconds. Yet thats not the case. They've faced regular clones many times and they put up the same amount of fight as commandos.

Another thing to keep in mind is that these Clone Commandos are fully being influenced by their obedience chips. Commandos had higher levels of thinking that allowed them to make decisions for their own. That's why Commandos had such a high desertion rate during Order 66. Obviously, this absolutely would not stand with the Empire. So they did what they (thought) they did with Crosshair, and turned their chips up to 11. They are now completely obedient and stiff, and their affectiveness in combat has suffered for it. Another theory is that these Clone Commandos were only recently bred by the Empire, a system that would try to surpress their levels of thinking while trying to maximize effectiveness, which obviously couldn't be done. And frankly it wouldn't matter anyway, as clones were being phased out. In fact, the Empire could use the ineffectiveness of the Commandos (that they caused) to further their agenda of replacing them with Stormtroopers.

Lore explanation: Clone Force 99 are probably best of the best commandos or soldiers in general in the GAR, because they are so unique. Real explanation: Plot armor

I keep thinking sarge is darman I just saw the video thumbnail and I was like “whoa darman gets tackled?”

These Delta Squad bait thumbnails...just lol.

I always thought like that. They all should be super strong and Elite, good armored and working in squads of 4. we saw what Gregor did, and scorch should be above that, also we saw that their armor can hold against shuttle destroying explosions with Gregor so a few stun bolts shouldnt penetrate it. And if we look at legends commandos.... These guys are supposed to be the most skilled out there. Yet they are just like you said glorified regs

Filoni loves his Arc Troopers.

They are being sacrificed by Filoni in the name of his characters like a freaking fanfic

Scorch got smoked 😭

The Stormtrooper treatment, elite units that writters use as generic koopa troopas

Honestley I couldnt agree more, the delta squad has literally taken out an entire ship of droids, turrets, and massive go lins with machine guns but one little baddy boi defeats scorch all by himself, also, i hate new scorch, hes so bland unlike old scorch who was funny, energetic, and just straight up a good character

The thing about Disney is they don't k ow that the commandos have way more individuality and control over themselves and they wouldn't have succumb to 066

This is just ONE problem with all of Filoni's works, the villains lack a sense of threat. Typically, Filoni will take established dangerous characters and dumb them down for the main characters to defeat by luck, contrivance, or a second wind. General Grievous went from being one of the deadliest Jedi killers in the EU to a Saturday morning cartoon villain who runs away at the first chance while yelling back, "We'll meet again, Jedi!" Grand Admiral Thrawn used to be a genius strategist but now he makes sloppy mistakes like throwing massed waves of soldiers at a problem when there are simpler solutions or holds back his bombardment to "let the enemy feel their impending death sink in" which allows his opponents to escape at the last minute or bring in reinforcements. Even the Death Troopers, who were shown to be much more deadly and efficient than your typical Stormtrooper, were dumbed down to the point when they spoke with their helmets on it came out as galactic basic instead of the intentionally garbled white noise like we heard in Rogue One.

Stormtroopers aren't bad because Stormtroopers are bad, they're bad because they're on the wrong team, and that's what we've found out with the clones and even commandos being nerfed when they turn empire.

The bad batch are commandos too, and highly skilled. The fact that the commandos fought them and that scorch was able to hurt tech shows a lot. They had to collaborate to take them down.

Gotta sell those toys, so gotta come up with cool "special" enemies... And then make them completly useless because the main characters can't die. That's why clone wars worked. There were enough side characters and red shirts in every conflict to show losses even if the main guys survive.

Yeah, the Commandos should have shredded them. Delta would definitely obliterate the Batch.

@BallPlayer17127

Жыл бұрын

Idk bout shredded bc batch are still commandos but at least have them put up better fight

@lukepennington3376

Жыл бұрын

​@@BallPlayer17127Yeah. You're probably right, I've just been quietly simmering over this since Wednesday.

Maybe the clone commandos are the product of clones on Mount Tantiss they seem to be a lot there.

The bad batch makes commandos look like absolute garbage when four of them took back an entire ship from an army of trandoshans and then held back an entire separatist boarding force. They are on a level very close to the bad batch as similarly they were raised from birth to be commandos and to be a unit. They also happen to have some of the toughest clone trooper armor in existence. A fight with a commando should be a tough one for any bad batch member, not just fighting a higher level enemy.

They are basically being used as buff stormtoopers

@0:51 when was this? I dont remember an episode where bad batch and delta squad are together

RIP Scorch.

They feel threatening enough. If I remember correctly, it is consistently shown throughout the fight scenes that one Commando about equals one Bad Batcher. They mostly lose by being surprised and/or outnumbered. Seeing 10 or more of them in one place still carries a certain shock value, and whenever they outnumber the BB by even 2:1 the odds feel insurmountable.

@brotherhoodofsteelsoldier1356

Жыл бұрын

The last episode just flat out removes this argument, hunter ran at a commando and the guy missed twice and got knocked out

@viperson9818

Жыл бұрын

@@brotherhoodofsteelsoldier1356 yeah they don’t really react and just stand there.

In short they're getting the exact same treatment stormtroopers got.

I think these are TK Commandos that Gregor was training. That's why he tried to escape the facility before.

@Ilyena

Жыл бұрын

We hear one talk, the one that checked the office for Omega, he's definitely a Jango Clone. It could be true for the others that they're Tk's but well.. that would be strange I think. I think, or rather I wish, that they want to show that the Bad Batch is just that extra bit good at their job, so good they outclass even the "normal" Commandos, so they can send Delta Squad after them, and have Delta Squad be the match, and end boss for the Bad Batch. Unless Scorch is the only one left.. I haven't read, or played the legends commando stuff, so I'm not sure where the rest is. Atleast of Sev I have heard that he's not supposed to be around anymore, though I don't know why.

It could be that some of these imperial royal guards are actually TK troopers or they could be spartii clones

any lore to as why clone commandos still wear phase 1 armours?

This is just a universal Filoni problem. He's seemingly incapable of making the opposing grunts of any faction competent when going up against main characters. He only ever makes particular named distinctive villain characters a challenge, and only slightly at that.

Idk why people think that scorch can take on bad batch by himself, what he did was more than good enough, shot Gregor 2-3 times in the left shoulder, disabled tech for a moment and tanked multiple hits from a stun gun. The other clone commandos I’m my opinion do seem to be dying quite easily, you can’t really tell any of their difference from the regular troopers besides their armor. I also believe that everyone is expecting to see the same clone commando movements and tactics from the clone commando game. Kinda hard to compare them.

But if you think about it the Bad batch are more powerful than other Commandos

Tbh it just feels like they're trained regs that got turned into drones, like predecessors of Death Troopers. (Except for Scorch)

That is NOT scorch. That is a mockery by Dave Felony to boost up his new commando squad by tearing down an established one

@OutOfIdeas9977

Ай бұрын

Oh it is. They call him Scorch in the credits, and the credits don’t lie.

It's looks like the put regurlar clones inside Katarn Pattern armor and gave then DC-17 blasters rifles

It’s my headcannon that scorch threw on purpose. Commandos have a lot more control over themselves then the regs. I believe that scorch put up just enough of a fight to not be suspicious.

I mean if Clone Commando’s were the actual Commando’s before Disney took over Bad Batch would already be dead

Not only do clone commandos get trashed by the Bad Batch, they also get wiped by regular clone deserters too...Such disappointment. Just like the unnecessary naked headbutt vs stormtrooper with helmet in Andor that until this part had fairly realistic action scenes.

I think part of it is that the inhibitor chips interfere with their creativity, which is part of their deadliness.

I think now in season 3 they are a bit better. Spoilers if you havent seen them: Theyre actually using handsignals and stuff while leading the normal troopers and one in an especially recent episode named Lt. Hilo even had a bit of a mind of his own when refusing orders.

I’ll tell you what’s wrong, is you click baiting me into thinking maybe I missed a Fixer cameo somehow with the thumbnail. However, I think you’re failing to realize that the Batch are quite literally mutants. Think of them like the X Men. Commandos had special training. Think of them like the navy seals. Delta squad were the top .01% of the best commandos, designed to fight as a unit, and in the comics even trained under Jango himself. Think of them like… well… Delta Force. That’s likely where the name came from.

You wont. Feloni seems really opposed to giving us cool stuff.

They're the "bad guys" now so they're gonna get that shitty nerf sadly

Fr. Imo one of the most underpowered characters since General Grievous

Scotch gotta be a tease for something BIG

The fair during the clone wars clone commandos suffered heavy casualties beginning of the clone wars and even late war so probably new batch of clones commandos

“Sir I have ten commando units awaiting your orders sir” - clone trooper to Mace Windu. The Jedi used Clone Commandos like regs…the empire does to…maybe…that’s the point…to show how stupid the Jedi were and also the empire…who just toss away excellent soldiers without a second thought…

They are. It's like the normal Plot Armor for Rebels against Storm Troopers, this Commandos could be just Storm Troopers with a Republic/Imperial Commando Skin. And by the Stars, as a Enjoyer of the Commando Books, this bring me Pain to write and see.

The most badass elite commandos have been turned into storm troopers that cant do jack shit besides getting beaten up I really hate how they are being handled

One thing Ive noticed, lack of verbal from the commandos. Makes me wonder if something else going on under thier armor.

@battlefieldpro12345

Жыл бұрын

They have external comm silencers built into their helmets

I mean, if me having to revive mine in the game is any indication of how squishy they are... well... there ya go.

could be the inhibitor chips dulling them down to be more compliant

Well I do hope that the Bad Batch and Rex's clone rebellion could at least in the 3rd season capture some Imperial clones when they stun them this time.

To be fair even in the comics or well... Republic Commando it is said over 1000 commandos died on geonosis mostly as a result of being used as front line shock troops as opposed to being used the same way delta squad was deployed on geonosis. So it's no surprise they would suffer the same casualties as when they served the republic. Wrong situation for these troopers to be used for. I haven't read the books for Imperial Commando but even then they were considered more dangerous then the average trooper in terms of capabilities, then again those books were legends back when commandos were still 100% independent and unaffected by order 66 as a result. Resulting in mass desertion by most of the commandos while a handful or two remained with the empire.

@Oppen1945

3 ай бұрын

Any special forces unit would suffer heavy casualties if used on the frontline like regular troops. Regular clone units suffered heavy losses as well but since there's fewer Commandos those losses where harder to replace. Clone Commandos are versatile elite soldiers who operate behind enemy lines where they can leverage their superior gear and tactics to the fullest. They are really good soldiers because they have to be when they're cut off behind enemy lines, or on missions where they can't rely on support from other Republic forces.

@k90v85

3 ай бұрын

​@@Oppen1945they werent replaced iicr, none more were made except the original 1000

Bad Batch era Commandos are an insult on them. theyre meant to be the best of the best and instead are getting their asses handed to them as if they were regular Stormtroopers. logically with how they always been originally portrayed, they wouldve been a serious threat for the Bad Batch. instead, theyre easy to take on

They were helping them escape that’s why they were so bad 😂

by a moment i thought that one of the commandos was fixer :(

I believe one of the reasons why Scorch isn't doing as well as we would like would be because he's separated from Delta, why the Empire decided to take away the explosives expert from Delta instead of maybe using someone like Boss or Fixer even

@Cortexian

Жыл бұрын

Likely because Boss and Fixer deserted. Scorch could be the only remaining Empire loyalist of Delta. Just like how Crosshair stayed loyal to the empire until recently.

@REDtheblazian

Жыл бұрын

@@Cortexian true

@LordVader1094

9 ай бұрын

@@Cortexian Yeah but why would Boss and Fixer desert? They were more by the books than Scorch ever was.

Didn't Gregor mention in one episode that the new commandos he was training, were all pretty bad compared to the clone wars era ones.

@Torrent_Locast

Жыл бұрын

Gregor wasn't training more clone commandos. He and the other commandos were actually training human recruits that will join the growing stormtrooper corps. He did at least call out his fellow commandos as "defective" for their eagerness to stay within the Empire, however, unlike him.

Scotch needs his unit back I was hyped for that to work I expected delta to be at the end we've had scotch twice now and he's proved his worth

Well what I think ppl don't understand is well for one they are going up against heavily modified commandos with added plot armor. Secondly this is the beginning of the empire. By the end of the clone wars they kaminoains were having difficulties producing elite soldiers, even from the regs, like they did with earlier batches because earlier batches has fresh DNA for the kaminoains to use with the death of the source code Jango the republic was on borrowed time with what DNA samples theg had on file. So it makes sense that later newer batches would be less capable as say Rex or scorch, or drastically altered commandos like the bad batch.

1000% the way the commandos straight up missed those close shots by a mile was mad unimpressive. Id be much more accpetinf of it if we later find out that these commandos aren’t actual ones and more just specialized regs

I hope they find a away to convince delta squad to join their side. The new season is gonna have a clone rebellion against the empire. There is already enough evidence to support that from the previous episodes. I’m also pretty sure the commandos will soon realize it’s not worth fighting for the empire then probably join Rex and them too.

the bad batch ruined clone commando's, we need the rest of delta squad in here and they needa make them actually up to commando level. i think it'd also be cool if sev returned but with the bad batch instead of the empire

I think Scorch was a good presentation since he put up a good fight. Remember that 2 out of 4 from Delta Squad got jumped by Trandoshan mercs/slavers and scavenger drones in the Republic ship. (The heavy Trandoshan was not a cause since Boss was the first to encounter them) Other than Scorch the other commandos was just fancy looking stormtroopers getting owned

Season 3 ended and nothing changed. Scorch is dead and everything is ruined.

my headcanon is that the commandos are experienced clones given the armor cuz empire and the commandos that seem like an actual threat were actual clone commandos

I think and feel like the only explanation would be that the Empire is extra careful with Clone Commandos because they're afraid of their abilities meaning that they regularly increase the Inhibitor chip effectiveness so that the Clone Commandos don't rebel or get any ideas of rebellion against the Empire the result of is less ideal/effective Commandos overall.

Disney did Delta Squad dirty

Clone commandos on bad batch are just stormtroopers with different helmets

I think it’s because there giving clones commando armor to phase out the phase 2 req armor.

We've already seen Bad Batch members die, so we know they're not afraid to have these characters die. The only fair way to end this, is with Delta Squad being sent to hunt down and neutralise what remainds of the Bad Batch. Needs to be merciless, lethal, and display how effective Commandos are meant to be. Otherwise we just have yet another stormtrooper problem where, Stormtroopers are meant to be highly effective, especially the 501st which was a good portion clones. Original trilogy, they missed because they were told to allow their escape, as they'd placed a tracker on the Falcon. And so on. They missed because they were ordered to, or when they failed in a fight, it was often incompetent officers. But the troopers themselves were shown to be competent. Issue is because you just don't see that happen on screen, general perception - because of plot armour - becomes that they're bad. That's not the case, but they made it so in lore and through so many shows now because that's just easier then allowing the bad guys to be competent, good soldiers, as they were originally intended to be. If Imperial Army was rough around the edges it'd make sense, they're the copy paste low quality types. Stormtroopers are closer to Marines or Tier 2 special forces. But it's more convienent to forget all that for the sake of excusing plot armour.

I think that due to industrial migt of empire they just started giving commando armour to highter ranking clones

we need a tv show for delta squad sign a partition and do justice for the commandos #JusticeForDeltaSquad

Although I kinda agree, you have to remember that Clone Force 99 are basically powered up clone commandos

if I could propose a theory, maybe the inhibitor chips have something to do with it. We know they struggle on clones that are different from the regs, and they do mess with the mental state of clones. Perhaps when they activated because of their harsh training it actually fried part of their brains making them weaker than in the clone wars putting them on the same level as regs

@ThatOneTrainGuy

Жыл бұрын

Then again, I could absolutely be wrong about this and I don't think I'm right, but it's a fun theory to plug up that plot-hole

Idk that commando fighting wrecker got a punch on him and took several hits to be taken out. He fared much better than most others

Yeah most of the big army of Clone Commandos seemed to Disappear from Mount Tantis. In the final battle on the last episode of season 3 I didn't see any but Scorch. Felt like the Director was to focused on showing the Clone Assassins instead. Felt like they just forgot about the Clone Commandos