no. never pay 12 months upfront. especially without a contract solictor in tow

Very decent of the condo operator to honour the contract. I can't imagine any company in the UK ever doing that.

Question is: how does she have access to the building and key cards in the first place. If the former employer doesn't have processes in place to cut access for former employees then they should be liable

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

No mate it's not like that she can be a agent for private landlords

@phillipfairbrass3575

7 ай бұрын

Becuase others are in on the scam simple,, its pattaya scams are common place and by usually more then one, that's why you get for living in a dump

@timfisher5417

7 ай бұрын

@@phillipfairbrass3575 We'll find out when she's arrested. If true, she'll drop the dime.

@jazzmonne3894

7 ай бұрын

@@phillipfairbrass3575scams happen everywhere…smh

@mrsweeves7035

6 ай бұрын

@@phillipfairbrass3575 Jomtien is nice.

The lady would have gambled the money away. They love to gamble

@jaylinn416

Ай бұрын

Gambling addicts may be as common over there drug addict are here in the West. But gambling addicts are often regular, working people!

Glad you managed to sort it out. Personally I wouldn't pay more than 1 month in advance.

Thai girl I know disappeared. I contacted a friend of hers on Facebook and found out she was now in prison for fraud from 10 years ago ...

@svenw.6918

7 ай бұрын

This one also will do Prison time. Thailand doesn't mess around , even if it takes 10 years to find her..

I love that you have to pay the police to report a crime. Hillarious.

3 years living in Thailand I've never heard of anything like this!! Wow I really appreciate the good landlords and agents I've had!!

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@paulietv2162

3 ай бұрын

Yeah you'll find that a lot of stuff Webby tells you about you'll never hear about anywhere else

You're right about getting the owner to sign the contract and there should be a copy of everyones passport or thai ID on the contract, some agencies even get both parties renter and landlord to make a quick video reading out the contract as evidence or a quick video of them signing the contract personally i think its a great idea when they do this, its a lot of money to part with Glad it all worked out mate

Wow, that agent has left loads of chaos in their wake!! Good to hear that it got sorted for you and like others have said, in the UK there’d be little-to-no chance of the agents taking on the responsibility of sorting it out for you and footing the bill (save for the deposit). Good to see you’re over the poisoning as well. Will catch up on the live later on Sunday as my lad playing rugby that day🍻

Jesus, that woman is in serious trouble.

@keithd1219

7 ай бұрын

Good...she needs to go to jail.

I kid you not, I sat with her having a coffee next door discussing a rental for 12 month only two weeks last Wednesday 4/1/24. She got upset saying she lost her husband recently. When I heard of this from an expat staying there a couple of days ago, I e-mailed her just to see if she would reply, but nothing! Lucky me I guess😂😂🙏🙏.

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

Yypu shouldn't say any names

@michaelstoll5259

7 ай бұрын

Edited!!@@welshboywebby

Police are looking for a Thai lady with black hair.

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

Haah

@replicas11

6 ай бұрын

Last seen outside a 7/11 on a Honda Click

That's not a robbery, it's a theft. Since the money is already gone and clearly the thief is identified as an agent, it's embezzlement.

@davothefirst9371

7 ай бұрын

It's a fraud not a theft as Webbo willingly handed the money over !

@BarnabyBarry

7 ай бұрын

In California robbery involves force or threat of force-theft can be similar to defrauding an innkeeper (not paying your dinner bill) or even theft by false pretenses however embezzlement also applies. Each case is different though!

I wouldn't rent an empty cardboard box from a Thai let alone give them a years rent upfront.The amount of people they scam is huge.

@shadowangel-ou6bg

7 ай бұрын

Buying is the same, plenty of scams.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

She will go to jail. She can dissapear for a couple of years but eventually they will find her.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

They will find her im sure

At least it's easier to get out of a second floor apartment if there's a fire.

@rdefacendis

7 ай бұрын

It my many years of experience living in condos - the second floor is the BEST floor... Why? Elevators. They break constantly, are out of service for long periods of time - and during key periods of the day, they are jammed with people. The less time spent waiting for an elevator or standing "cheek to jowl" with strangers in an elevator - the better for me !! High floor views are awesome.. for about a week.. they you ignore the view ... don't even notice its there anymore. Stay low.. everyone... stay low.

Your better off just renting a decent room at 500 bht per night.Includes everything including electric and water with maybe a small deposit of 1000bht.Yes its 14000 a month month but leaves you flexible.

@philliproberts7294

7 ай бұрын

Good idea mate and most peoples aircon bills are a couple thousand baht which would be included in that 14k

I'm sure that the condo company is responsible. They hired this 'agent' who scammed everyone for so long. Why was nobody checking on her regularly? It's their neglect, no wonder they're being so nice and helpful....

I'm one of your neighbors and in a similar situation. I'm going to try to file a police report first thing tomorrow I guess. Question: I also want to speak to this manager Joe. How do I find him? Is he in the juristic office? Or does he work for the condo developer?

Lol, you paid up front. And you'd do it again. Hey, can i borrow some money? 😂

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

how much you want lol

Fair play!! Great positive attitude Webby! Not an Ideal situation but could of been a lot worse Brother 👍

Regarding trust with Thai girls; I know two,whom I have known for a few years(one I slept with,back in the day). I can can confirm with personal experience that they are both 100 percent trustworthy and have helped me when I really needed them. This narrative that you cannot is b.s. P.s. Pattaya is a different world. These two girls, work in Bangkok.

@simonsmith1139

7 ай бұрын

P.p.s. and in regular bars/restaurants there.

Expats continue to do stupid things with their money. It just blows the mind. Never ever pay that far in advance. You are in a foreign country for God's sake.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

I still don't think I've don't anything stupid thank you anyway for your message

A trusting soul. Given how cheap the accommodation is in Pattaya I would not consider paying upfront more than 2 months rent (plus first months rent). I think the other think to watch for is making sure your payment is made in the name of the Condo building or the actual owner of the unit - not an agent. It reminds me of those investment ponzi scheme where victims were writing checks, not to the investments themselves, but the dude selling the investments. After all that stress, I am glad to hear everything worked out... ! Cheers! Your eye is healing well too...

@ewanconnor1403

7 ай бұрын

All spot on deposit should total 3x monthly rent and contract should have owner signing and their bank details , the scam was the cheapness of deposit

Glad all turned out well in the end very lucky really. Great video

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

Cheers

Because of employment nearby I rented five different condos (new and old but all with sea views) in Pattaya during my 16 years there. I never thought of being scammed but I never went through an agent....I did go through the condo complex's manager that represented different owners (Thais from Bangkok that use these condos as investments). I could have been "scammed" by the managers since I didn't know anything. But I did receive the "official" contract from the owner of the condo. It seems the office managers/ accountants of these condos or the owners of the condos would want to verify all the paper work. They cannot trust these real estate agents that represent a variety of condo complexes or individuals. Lesson learned

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Agree session learnt, but to be honest I've still came out of it ok in the end

Glad you are still positive mate

Getting food poisoning from 'proper' restaurants compared to cheap Thai joints is the norm, don't let anyone tell you differently.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Agree

I HAVE JUST FACED SAME THING !!! PLEASE READ Hi Webby, I booked a Airbnb in edge apartments 6 weeks ago for one month, stayed here loads of times no issue at all.. All of a sudden 8 days in, I get a knock on the door of 3 men from the management team saying I am renting illegally 😮… please pack and leave ??? So after an hour of arguing the police show up and they say I am breaking the law letting this apartment, so I had to leave and book hotel… I’m still in shock and can’t believe what the hell is going on in Pattaya These people need to realise without tourism and respect their families and women will be homeless and have no income and they are out to scam tourists daily It needs to stop fast !!! The police, freelancers, bar owners etc are all in on it and it’s easy money for them Airbnb should not be advertising property in Thailand for rent if it is illegal!!! Since then I have had a 50% return on money paid I was very fortunate I had bought some money with me or it could of turned sour

@The_Redknight

7 ай бұрын

Short term Airbnb is illegal in Thailand

@BusinessMaster648

7 ай бұрын

@@The_Redknight OBVIOUSLY!!! My question is why does Airbnb advertise this and why is 80% of condos in Thailand on airbnb and other sites if this is the case ??

@deucesixs1404

7 ай бұрын

I booked a airb&b at base close to edge for 2 weeks , I heard about it being illegal from people on a discord , so I canceled airbnb and rented hotels instead , reading this I’m happy I canceled

@emptyemptiness8372

7 ай бұрын

​@@BusinessMaster648same reason you can buy or do anything in Pattaya....until they can make more money robbing cheating or arresting you. Pattaya is the toilet of Thailand, all the shit from the village ends up there so if you end up with a turd in your mouth you shouldn't be surprised.

@Darryl_Smith

7 ай бұрын

They do not care - its all about the money with them. They turn around and say that they have no control on advertisers blah blah blah...@@BusinessMaster648

Never ever ever ever ever pay a year in advance on ANYTHING. Im shocked when when I see people pay 6 months in advance which is just as insane and I don't care what the landlord says or incentive to do so ..... Thats just nuts. Anything can happen in 1 year like foreclosure or disagreement and when the landlord has been paid in full they have no incentive to fix or repair anything in a timely fashion. If foreclosure happens for whatever reason your out of pocket and good luck getting any of it back. Ive seen this scam run so much here in the states. That landlord must have been American 😀 I know this because I work in the REO department at a huge mortgage company and have personally seen everything mentioned above as well as been there for the evictions. If a landlord ever asks to borrow money from a tenant the property is either already in foreclosure or going into it immediately. At best never give more than the standard 3months ... 1st month, last month and security deposit and absolutely nothing more. Besides in Pattaya/Bangkok you dont have to as there's soooo many condos to choose from so it's no problem to go elsewhere and rent from a legit landlord.

@keithd1219

7 ай бұрын

All good advice...you're 100% correct but I will also say this is a common method to lower and negotiate your monthly rent. Is it the smartest thing to do? No way but it is common. I agree with what you said though 👍

@gnelson1990

7 ай бұрын

A one or more years lease is another, and much safer way to negotiate a lower rate. Thought that would be the more common method. It's the method I've used for the places I've rented over the years. It's news to me that some are asked for and pay a years rent in advance.

There is a saying which someone your age should know. "if it's too good to be true, it probably is"

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Agree but I still came away doing OK

this happened to a mate of mine, and luckily he got to stay also , personally i would give a thai as little money as possible.I can't get my head round this 12 months rent up front? no other countries do it, it's just exploitation leaving you open to theft, i bet thais don't bloody pay 12 months up front, they would be lucky to get it every month on time! i certainly wouldn't ,Good luck

You'd have been screwed if the same thing happened in the UK! Imagine a property manager covering rent for everyone lol You'd be straight out on the street!!

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

You would

I had the same agent. Luckily our owner is cool. About 3 months ago he bought a washing machine and fridge which we never saw . SHE must have on sold them..i have sorted how to pay rent,net,power and water. I'm in the hole 18k but nothing i can do... Our owner is a legend, he booght a giant new fridge around 2 days later. We are at DGP.

Great video with good info & story abt this condo rental scam…there’s a few other vloggers in the same condo so wondering if they’ve been hit by this agent scamming too…..as all payed up front for 12 mths rent at 10k per month?? “If it’s too good to be true” etc…🧐🙄I would only pay monthly for this precise reason. At least the condo company have honored your agreement even tho moving you to another room. Main question is have they caught her yet??🧐🤓👮🏾‍♂️👩🏾‍🦰

Bloody hell webby its never a dull moment with you fella 😊

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

True 👍

Madness that is mate. Wonder how long she was getting away with that for!

i think the issue is to protect yourself - have TWO people that work at the condo sign the contract, and make sure that they do before you accept either as employees.

How many grown men wear a shirt with there own face on it. ?

@whittakerwinstanleyiii4051

7 ай бұрын

😂

Could have been worse mate. Thanks for sharing as it’s an easy thing to fall for even for a seasoned veteran

Hi mate just saw what happened to you yesterday and was shocked. Today I am now watching "cooper Thai adventures" he is staying at the Dusit park 2 in Jomtien and he had the same issue ...

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Yeah same agent

Trust you Webby!, I can see were going to get out moneys worth out of your channel🤣

The condo company will be seriously out of pocket for this! You've been really lucky! The norm here is you pay a month up front the the deposit is equal to 1 months rent. It used to be normal for 2 months as the deposit but a law changed a few years ago to limit it to a month's rent as deposit... The only red flag I'd have spotted was the 15k deposit Vs a 12k rent (before discount)... I hope you can advertise them later to earn them some cash once they've got condo's available!

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

They are

@Jimmy911ism

6 ай бұрын

When you say deposit, do you mean a bond? And is there one month's rent on top if that?

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

You pay a deposit before you move in incase you brake anything

Crazy. When i heard this first thing i thought was, could it be my thai ex 😂. Turned out well in the end buddy. 🙏

New subscriber here Webby been watching your back log of videos excellent content fair play. Your excitement and enthusiasm along with your honesty of living the dream In the land of smiles is superb keep it up Top man.. I’ve just booked my flight up for a month in May and counting down the days with much excitement 🇹🇭🍺🎉🥳

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

Cheers mate means a lot

@brettlaw9984

7 ай бұрын

Y r u wearing u tube all over ya top? U only got 4k subs dreama

Great content mate Keep the Faith as every day is different 👍👍👍

Just insane mate, that this actually happened to you, what an insane outcome!!

@welshboywebby

10 күн бұрын

Yeah at the time it was mental all good now

Why have you had 44k views but only 6.3 k subscribers? Why dont they subscribe? Great content bud and good info. Thanks

@welshboywebby

Ай бұрын

Cheers mate thank you

Standard practise,uncontrolled,unprofessional,no fear of consequences just bung the bib. Definition of a deposit =gift.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Agree

Glad everything turned out OK. I rent an apartment in Phnom Pehn I only deal with the owner. I pay every month, no problem, with a 6 month lease.

Sounds like you worked it out well and the condo operator was a winner. Never paid 1 year up front. Never heard of it. Normally 1st and last months and a deposit. I've been living here for 36 years and only trust my wife, our 2 sons and their wives.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Don't blame you

Wow she's legged it with millions of baht

Remember to always pay the rent straight to the owner if it's privately owned..

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

I use to with the last condo I rented

The rental money paid should go into the rental agency account and then be transferred to the owner after their commision has been deducted - the agents should not be in a position where they can use it as a piggy bank.

@welshboywebby

3 ай бұрын

A lot of things happen in Thailand that shouldn't

This happened back in 2020 as well it was connected with grand avenue and some other condos she just dissappeared with the cash and never seen again

Great video mate and glad your all sorted. Enjoy the rest of your time there. Keep up the great video's and do some travelling.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Thanks for sharing, hopefully it will help others to not get into a similar situation...

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

That's why I make them

Nice one webby...glad it sorted itself out..could have been a lot worse...informative video mate...I've lived in jomtien 2 years ...be good to meet up and swop a few stories. All the best

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Anytime mate

Nobody checked her ID, also what about a notary, sham management company.

I've just got back from Thailand & was pleasantly surprised by the Russians. On previous years they've just been a nightmare but this new middle class seems to be a lot better at interacting with people and common courtesies, in Thailand rude people get called out pretty quick.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

They do

Next video can you speak in English 😂

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Thats how i speak sorry

@jdedad

6 ай бұрын

Joking brother I should have said speak American 😂

It`s not a new scam, this has happened before in other developments, I would never pay a year up front. My owners passport is on the contract I have.

why did it take till the water was shut off for the company to find out ???......why were the owners of the condos not jumping up and down about all their rent money not being paid ???.......I have heard she has taken off with around 10 million baht ........dealing with these large sums of money the company should have had better checks and balances in place .......hopefully the police can track her down..........

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

The owners didn't know anyone was renting, I totally agree woth your message, how she got away with it is mental

@darkcloud9581

6 ай бұрын

yes crazy stuff .....so she had to be telling Condo owners she had not found anyone to rent their apartments .........while shifting all the rental money to other bank accounts ????

It's Thai culture. You don unaSTAN!

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Haah

Bloody hell mate what a week you've had but it's great your sorted and getting a new condo, i did wonder why you hadn't posted anything for the past few days

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Cheers mate yeah all sorted now

Wow! Like you mate, i didn't see that coming. Glad you've kept your smile because what a scam artist, is she available for Short Time? 😂 Probably won't see her in Pattaya again, unless in handcuffs at Soi 9. Hope you settle ok in your new Condo. But Wow, who'd have thought it. 🤷‍♂️

Wow! I'm looking forward to the final outcome of this..

Probably not worked out too bad in the end Webby, I think you said you found this place through Facebook, would you recommend using an estate agents or the condo offices direct?

Scammers everywhere!

You explained it well Brother. Good enough to get me to subscribe. The overwhelming majority of Russian people I have met in the US and Thailand are wonderful people.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

thank you

I live across the road in the other block of theirs. Her photo is up in all the lifts and loads of Russians been done by her. You got a right result getting relocated, seems like most just ended up paying again. Overall, I think this group runs some pretty good condos and it is one bad apple

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

No one has paid again that I do know mate, if you got a few months left the company paid the owners, if like me you got 10 months left they moved you to one of the rooms they own

@jonkey2127

6 ай бұрын

@@welshboywebby unless something has changed the last few days, not over this side. I'm not affected so can't say for certain tho but some Russian fella was complaining to me vociferously about this a couple of days ago in the gym

So be careful what you say, Thai law! Not surprised about the Russians mate. I bump into some in the music trade. Some really. Bang on good people, our msm lies about that wonderful cultured honest kind people. Hope you can get involved with the local Russian because us ordinary Brits are very similar, sense of humour high morals Tec.

Good to hear it got resolved. A really positive story. Great video

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Yes, thanks

The incentive of paying 12month is in my situation i pay 15,000 instead of 20,000 if i paid monthly ,i went through the buildings owners in pratamnak so sorry to hear the news but youve come out ok could have lost the lot so a lesson learned for everyone The thing here in pattaya is they do yearly contracts and it is lots cheaper than the monthly price and you know you have your condo for a year just do it with the right people not these tinpot agents they are ten a penny and anyone can be one no qualifications needed !

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Agree

Say what u want ,I would have held the company accountable

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

They did

The condo operator are spot on for honoring all the contracts 10/10

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

They were amazing

On the subject of food poisoning I only had it once in 16 weeks over 3 trips to Pattaya and it was the British owned fish restaurant on Soi Lengkee just up from the Devonshire. 🤮

Hey-Maybe I missed this: Why in the hell would I pay for a year up front?

@bijanbayne3259

7 ай бұрын

They offer a considerable discount when you do

@thethrillofpattaya8404

6 ай бұрын

@@bijanbayne3259 In this town Sir...with rents being as cheap as they are compared to The US (I'm paying $780 USD on a place that would cost $15K+ in LA) ...I'd rather negotiate a good rent price and go from there to avoid a BIG mistake like this one! It is so rare he got ANY help all!

Condo Company will have insurance in place to cover there losses. Its not the first time with this type of scam, and sadly wont be the last.

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

They haven't mate that I do know she didn't work for them at the time

Hi Steve, this is unbelievable! Hope that everything sort itself out ASAP. Just a quick question, for future info, am I right in saying that when you took out the lease you didn't go to the main office downstairs in the condo block and that the agent worked outside of the building but was managing the condo room for a private thai owner? Is it best to deal directly with the offices inside the condo block you want to rent from? Like I said, asking so I know what to do in the future! Cheers Dave

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

The office will always be more expensive but at least you k ow who you are dealing with

Care to share where you got food poisoning from please?

Wow, just stumbled cross your channel. Scary stuff butty. Where in Wales are you from ?, I'm from a small valley town of mountain ash. Living here in Bangkok for the past 6 years

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Bridgend mate

I have been done also,had a condo with her for two years now,she was a friend of my girlfriend,everything has been ok up until now,I have no idea why she has done this,she’ll pay the price that’s for sure,she had access to the key cards and could get them copied with no problems,I have found out that she was negotiating contracts at well under what the agreed rates are,then she was taking 6 and 12 months deals and only paying monthly,she got caught out not paying water bills and everything fell apart,I am on the last 6 months of a 2 year contract,never had an issue except one electric bill,not really sure what she has paid because I can’t get in touch with the owner,maybe that’s what made everything so easy for her,she’ll pay the piper eventually 😣😣😣😣😣

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

After watching other videos along with yours.. She was an employee of the Condo. It is the condo operators problem. Including the deposits. Even for the sold condos that they are leasing on behalf of the owners. The Condo Company needs to chase up the money from her or to claim on their insurance with no changes to your contracts. Get on to Thai lawyers and don't stand for any losses.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

She wasn't working for the company at the time they sacked her October 31st

He'll no at most 2 months deposit that's it and never use agency do yourself cheaper better deal

Once I’ve had slight stomach problems after food and that was from an English owned/ run place in Pattaya, I shall not name names

Well done boyo bet the little rascal didn,t realise they well dealing with someone made of stern stuff.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Cheers

Thai women will gamble all day and night. Bottom line is in Thailand don't trust anyone or lend them money

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Agree

I hope your ‘impeccable’ verdict on the condo people isn’t premature and you don’t get another knock on the door.

@welshboywebby

7 ай бұрын

I've moved signed and all done

Thailand doing Thai stuff 😂

I heard about this from a Facebook group..Glad the Condo management came through.

Always rent from a Westerner agent not Thai and do a month by month contract.👍

what was the name of the scammer I was looking today online and I saw the same condo for rent might be interested in renting there.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Can't name her but can defo rent here no problem only thing now is its full

maybe when some KZreadrs say " email me and I'll put you in contact with the agent " , that's so as they can get the Commission ! maybe after this they will stop doing this

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Well I can tell you 100% that ain't me at all, she offered me 1000baht for every month that I get a customer for her, I told her straight no thank you I'm not a sale man and don't get into any of that shit, hope that helps lol

@geofferyrobertson6608

6 ай бұрын

@@welshboywebby , was mainly pointing at the others , not you mate ,,, just saying that's all

Food poisoning in Pattaya...???? Wow. First time I've heard of it. In Cambodia it's a monthly occurrence. But Pattaya..???? Webby, it may be the girls your kiss'n.

Gambling problems probably 😮.

What's new, there's always some reason to vacate your room in Thailand.

If and when they find her, you can almost guarantee she blames it on gambling debts with zero remorse.

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

She will

Never a dull moment! At least you didn't loose your life savings! Keep us updated on this scam

@welshboywebby

6 ай бұрын

Will do