Paying $30 for a C.A.T is better than spending thousands on a funeral in my book.

@unrelentingfreedom212

2 жыл бұрын

$30 tourniquet vs $2,500 casket 🤔

@fuzzy_deppresion3907

2 жыл бұрын

True I have 2 real cats and one cheap for practice and teaching my buddies have the cheap one very clearly marked👌

@iMernerner

Жыл бұрын

3$ vs 9,000$ + Lower Life quality of remaining others + Emotional damage

@twintyara6330

Жыл бұрын

Coffins are expensive af

@XX-fq8kp

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, BUT, Spend 30 Bucks, and still get a knock-off, WTF?

I'm a doctor, who is an avid shooter. I love going to the range. I looked up this video, because I was suspicious of the tourniquets I have. Good video.

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc! Feel free to stick around and lend your insights and explanations,

@milesrost6674

Жыл бұрын

ty

Things might've changed in the 3 years since this video was posted. I just bought (August 2023) an inexpensive Chinese made clone of a CAT-7 tourniquet and put it through the exact same tests as in the video, it worked exactly like the brand name CAT-7. Nothing broke or stretched out and it worked fine. I was suspicious however that maybe this was some kind of rare Chinese tourniquet so I tried another one from same source, again, worked just fine. One drawback to anything made from China is there are many manufacturers of stuff, and some companies put out a quality product and others put out garbage.

Wow, that's insane... Good on your buddy for carrying a backup.

I have a few that I know are knockoffs. Have practiced/tested them and they do not stretch and show no signs of being damaged by use. Full occlusion with 1 1/2 turns. Could maybe get full 2 turns if I weren't such a baby. I'm not endorsing any alternatives in any way, just sharing the findings from my sample size. . By all means, go with the best trusted product you can get!

Here from your "short".... many thanks for your time and effort putting this video together.

Its a fucked up world - when you have to be suspicious of every “customer review video” as being a possible paid commercial .

Glad I found your website and videos. I'm a physician and my church asked me to look into and help get trauma kit(s). Didn't realize the rabbit hole of knowledge I will be acquiring to help out effectively and to help individuals who are interested get the necessary training experiences. Thank you! Definitely subbed!

@MountainManMedical

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Doc! I appreciate the encouragement

@DrSteveMorreale

9 ай бұрын

@@MountainManMedical Just ordered a bunch of gear from your site lastnight. Thank you!

@MountainManMedical

9 ай бұрын

@@DrSteveMorreale Thanks Doc! I appreciate the support!

Thank you so much for the info. I have very limited funds to spend and was looking at cat Tourniquets (on amazon) something told me to wait before I buy one. now I know why I needed to see your info. Thanks again and God Bless

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Absolutely fantastic video, content, and presentation!! Thanks!!

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

You're Welcome! Thanks for sticking around.

Thank you for a VERY informative video ! I am a 73 years old veteran and avid trap shooter. I always have a trauma kit in my vehicles. Watching this video made me check my tourniquets for fakes ! All are good to go ! I appreciate you sharing your knowledge ! JJP

@MountainManMedical

Жыл бұрын

Hooyah! Thanks for the comment!

This video will most definitely save lives. Good man.

Thank you thank you. This should be in the newspaper for those who do not subscribe to to mountain man. Serious stuff!

@devildocleather3452

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Get the word out and eventually no one will buy them hopefully.

I bought 2 of these they were advertised as a "CAT" tourniquets once I received them I could tell that they were not the same quality as my real CAT TQ's. I used them for range training with some of my students. The first one that we used worked a few times for practice and then the buckle broke with the second one the first time we used it the windless snapped in half. Invest in good quality medical equipment. Good video. Thank you!

I put together a shooting range first aid kit and it looks like I have a couple crappy tourniquets in there. Fake ones! Thank you for opening my eyes to this

Thanks for the great videos. Learning a lot and Got a ankle kit on the way so I’m ready if ever need be.

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad it's helpful. Enjoy the Kit! I hope you never have to use it.

Excellent video. I just checked the several I have in various bug out and travel bags and find they are North American Rescue CAT so am very relieved for obvious reasons.

Thank you for this review. Our OHV club just went through STOP THE BLEED® First Aid Training sessions and bought 5 IFAK Trauma Kits for IFAK raffle prizes specifically with the CAT Tourniquet + SWAT-T tourniquets for individuals with smaller arms/legs + Israeli pressure wound bandages + compressed hemostatic gauze. This was very informative.

@MountainManMedical

3 ай бұрын

You're welcome! I'm glad you found it useful.

Thanks for the video Brian. I like your "man room".

@MountainManMedical

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It's coming along nicely.

Dude. Thanks for the info. I just looked in both of my medical kits and they both are fake ones I have. Thanks for the heads up

Thank you! May save a life with that info.

A couple of weeks ago I bought a four pack of tourniquets on Amazon for $29. They look exactly like the CAT, but after watching your video, I felt compelled to try one of them to make sure that it worked. I'm a Veteran, EMT, CNA, and nursing student, and I'm happy to say that within three turns of the windless, it was extremely tight and to my standards. I'm not entirely sure which brand I got but I'm happy to say that while others might not work, these ones definitely do.

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

It is VERY important to me to have peace of mind knowing the TQ I purchased is quality and has been well tested with real world data backing it up. The possibility of someone dying on my watch because I wanted to save a couple of bucks, isn't worth the risk to me. Are there knock off TQs on Amazon that might work? Maybe. Am I willing to live with an unnecessary death on my conscience because I'm a cheapskate and only saved $20? Nope. And doubly nope if it's my wife and kids on the line. I highly doubt your "test" meets the rigorous standards of the CoTCCC. Standards established by experienced combat medics, trauma nurses and doctors. There are plenty of other places in life to save money. This is is NOT one of them.

@roberth5435

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the kindest tourniquet is a blood pressure cuff pumped just above systolic pressure (200 mm Hg is a good start). That will stop arterial blood flow. A TK, once applied, is fixed. A cuff may bleed pressure. CAT demonstrations on logs and salesman's arms are not reproducible. That's not to say that there aren't breakable counterfeits out there.

@MichaelCook1981

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberth5435 you put a pair of hemostats on the tubing to cut off the air to use a blood pressure cuff as a tourniquet.

My problem with any manufacturer that does business with the government, particularly military, is that they can set a price that precludes business with much of the civilian market. And most of them seem to be fine with that.

Thanks for this! This may save a lot of lives. I almost bought some Amazon ones and wouldn't have known any better.

@1stRanger

Жыл бұрын

No one can save you from your own stupidity. If you mindlessly buying supplies that meant to be a difference between life and death maybe you deserve what's coming for you as a result.

Thanks for the info I bought an everyday carry kit from Amazon that came with a tourniquet. I just checked it out and sure as shit I’ll have to buy a real tourniquet! Thanks again

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps. Thanks for letting me know. That fake can still make for a good training TQ as long as you mark it so you don't get it mixed up.

Thanks

Thanks for the great video. Do you have any opinions on the Rats? I have Recon, SWAT-T (least favorite, keep them for extra pressure bandages and a last resort) and CAT, however i have two dogs and would love to get the RATS for them due to the significantly less width?

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rich. I'm not a big fan of the RATS. I think the SWAT-T does everything the RATS can do, but better, and it can be used as a pressure dressing and a few other things too. I'm not saying the RATS won't work to stop bleeding, there's just better TQs out there. There are a lot of K9 units carrying the SWAT-T, but they have big working dogs. If your dogs are smaller, I think you're right that a RATS might work better. Good thought process Rich, I love it!

I was trying to give myself a stranger with an imitation tourniquet. Totally wrecked the mood. Just kidding. Thanks for the info.

Thanks, for the info! JD, (Michigan)

This is good infromation thank you for sharing

Excellent information, thanks! Question a little off topic. Just got CERT qualified, in med class was informed never put on a tourniquet...if done, never remove it but let ER or EMT do it. Talking to brother-in-law today and he disagrees. He's a 1st Cav combat medic with two Iraq tours, he advice was after 15 min, loosen tourniquet for couple of beats then retighten. Done every 15 mins. Your advice?

@MountainManMedical

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with your CERT training. They used to teach loosening a TQ every 15 min a while ago, because they were worried guys were going to have more amputations. But that method is no longer encouraged, or taught. Research has shown that a TQ can be applied for up to 6 hours before causing so much tissue damage that an amputation is required. Experts recommend that a tourniquet be in place no longer then 2 hours to be on the safe side. Here's why you should leave the TQ tight: If you loosen the TQ because you're worried the casualty might loose the leg, you are risking them bleeding to death. It's better to lose the leg then your life, so leave the TQ and transport ASAP and you'll be fine. A TQ should only be removed by a surgeon because they are right there to patch up the artery.

@garry-garaidhbryant-obriai6700

4 жыл бұрын

@@MountainManMedical Thanks for the advice!

Having a substandard piece of safety gear is worse than none at all due to the false sense of security it provokes. If it fails you're done. Frankly, I prefer the Tactical Medical Solutions SOF T wide tourniquet (also approved by the TCCC) due to the metal windlass. But a genuine CAT is fine too. Have used both. Both work. Both are approved by the TCCC. TCCC testing includes the quality of the tourniquet, it's ease of use, and it's effectiveness. Your tourniquet has to have all those elements.

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Well said Eric. I agree.

CAT was used on my right leg in Iraq. I trust them, but I got some that aren’t the NAR CAT’s. Rhino Rescue makes incredible tourniquets. Outside of NAR CAT’s and Rhino Rescue I don’t trust them. Had a fake fail. The windlass folded in half on me. Lol.

Hi this infomation its very important.

Thank you for all your informative videos! Can anyone recommend a good training course in S FL? It's nice to have all the gear advertised but if you don't know how to use it, you might actually do more damage than help.

Thanks Brian. Dammit I have some of the knockoffs. Sadly, NAR CATs are made in PRC. I noticed you carry TacMed SOF Gen 4 at Mountain Man Medical. It's made in the USA. Do you have a demo video?

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

No problem Motz! I think those counterfeit TQs have their place as cheap trainers, just make sure to label them so you don't get them mixed up with real CATs. And yes I do have a video on that, but I'm planning on a video dedicated to the SOF-T soon. kzread.info/dash/bejne/goF-y6ibm7rPk7g.html

there is very simple solution for that problem - not charging $30 for a piece of belt with windlass. There is no reason for NAR to charge that much, other than pure profit. Notice there is little to none info about materials used in CAT - you know why? Cause it's not space technology, you use same belt to secure stuff on a trailer, so why the heck it cost $30?

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, but $30 to save a life is a pretty sweet deal either way. And all the other companies charge about the same for their TQs as well.

@alanowa123

3 жыл бұрын

@@MountainManMedical but $10 to save life is even better deal, and people will buy that no matter what. Just like they buy shitty chinese phones because they are cheaper and they dont care that their battery will he dead after a year.

I’ve tested the fake CATs and they work fine

@EchoKilo

2 ай бұрын

Except for the dude in Denver, that he’s speaking of, that it didn’t.

Would you recommend using the counterfeit as an inexpensive way to practice instead of buying an expensive real CAT for practice?

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! I think they would work great for that since the CAT trainers are the same cost as a regular. Just make sure you write "FAKE" across the Time: so you don't get it mixed up.

I have 4 copy cat tourniquets that I got from Amazon and had no pulse after 3 turns.. I will still grab a couple from NAR, but I’m going to keep the ones I already have as backups though. will edc with the real ones.

Without using them, how can I tell the difference between genuine NAR and a counterfeit? What tells are there?

A large portion of my legitimate C-A-T ts have stitching unraveling. Single stitched straps fall apart. Quality control is a concern.

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting! Good to know, thanks for the heads up. Always need to check our gear to make sure it's operational. Sucks finding out when you need it...

I cringe every time I hear it. It's a CAT. Or a Combat Application Tourniquet. Not a CAT Tourniquet.

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, ok thanks Stephane

I like the Recon Medical (CAT) ones so far.. they work VERY good. At least for now.. do you have an opinion on them?

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

No, I don't. I've heard good things about them, but my requests to the company to review have gone unanswered. Hopefully I will have a review up after I get my hands on one.

@darrelburnett5203

3 жыл бұрын

I like the Recon also. I like their metal windlass. Haven't encountered any problems with them. Bought 2 for the price of 1 NAR.

@richhajdu8150

3 жыл бұрын

I have both CAT and Recon. I trust both on my life. So I never got to use one on a pt as they were just coming back when I left EMS and became an LPN. However i tested both on myself: Recon 2-3 turns to occlude the radial pulse CAT 1-2 turns. To me the extra turns are minimal vs the 6-8 in this video on the fake. Both feel very heavy duty and I love the finger loop and metal windlass on the recon. I hope to hell I never need them but if I do I feel good about them both.

@logiwogi8938

3 жыл бұрын

I was about to comment this lol

At the height of covid, the state of WA provided hospitals with pallets of counterfeit 3M N95. Furer Inslee got a screaming deal on them no doubt, the seller likely threw in a free boat for inslees family or something. Important stuff like this buy straight from the source. I only buy CAT straight from NAR

I saw many fake CAT. and thanks to videos like this, i only bought real ones. Don't wanna someone or me get killed because my medkit have faulty tourniquet.

You probably just saved my life or the life of another. I'm putting together what I call my "Home Defense Gear," and on the advice of my son who is currently active duty Air Force Security Forces and who knows a thing or two about combat gear, I included a CAT in my IFAK. I'm retired Air Force from the same service branch and career field, but they've made some pretty significant advances in medical and first aid gear since I retired 23 years ago, so I went to my son for advice. And yes, I f*cked up and bought it from Amazon for $14. (Yeah, I know, don't laugh.) After watching this video I checked the CAT that I bought, and guess what - yep, it's a FAKE. So it's now sitting in the trash and I'm getting ready to order a REAL one from YOUR company! Thank you so much for this video! I may literally owe you my life!

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help. And no worries, you aren't alone. Thanks for sharing

RHINO makes a good product too

I got one of these crap tourniquets in a Chinese kit from Amazon. Now I've got to check the other components such as the Israeli bandage, etc. Update, it's all going back to Bezos

I'm afraid that eventually we'll start to see knockoff CATs that *have* the NSN numbers and other details on them.

There is the argument that something is better than nothing, if you have to make a lot of kits and cannot afford expensive ones

Ive got a Fake one that i only use for Training stuff… tho also no Puls at 2 Full turns

I have worked EMS, but mostly I grew up and still travel through a high crime area. There's a real possibility I'd need a tourniquet one day. So far, no. I did know the counterfeit ones exist and won't work. I didn't realize it was easy to tell the difference when checking purchased ones. I buy from NAR. But I never thought to check the ones on the truck when I was an EMT. I've always carried a trauma kit (even on the ambulance, and yes, safety had a fit... but got over it). I know I've got legit gear. I will most certainly pass this on so others know how bad the counterfeit is.

@MountainManMedical

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Spread the word!

Opinions on rhino rescue?

Have you checked out Recon Medical tourniquets? I think you'll be happily surprised.

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't had a chance to check them out yet, but I've heard good things. Hopefully I'll get a review up soon.

@thriftysurvivor6117

3 жыл бұрын

@@MountainManMedical I just picked up another orange one as a training tourniquet. I just tried it today to confirm this before typing it in and I can tell you it only took 2 turns for total occlusion.

I never understood cheaping out on life saving equipment. Good ammo for conceal carry self defense is $35 a box? Oh well. Good tourniquet is $35? so what? I'll never think risking a life is worth saving $20 or even $100

Hey bro, I’d love to see what you think of the Rhino Rescue tourniquets that exist now, they seem pretty dang solid.

@MountainManMedical

5 ай бұрын

I did a video on them a while back when they were called the Recon Tourniquet. But a new video might be a good idea.... kzread.info/dash/bejne/mHaArMVqXbK4qaw.html

I don't have money for an authentic TC, I'm just an ordinary good Samaritan overseas, and the dollar is too high.

Good info, but you did put 1st one on bare arm and 2nd over your sleeve.

Like 6 or 7 times.

I have cheap ones but ive tested mine before putting them in my IFAKs

How do you know what you have? The preferred brand is stated, but how to identify a bad one is not. And are there other good brands?

@MountainManMedical

11 ай бұрын

Yes there are other good brands. Tac Med Solutions TQ, the "SOF Tourniquet" is a high quality option you should consider. I have videos about that and others on the channel.

Great video bro. You know your stuff!👏👏👏👏💪💯.

Buy only from the North American Rescue site only. Then you won't have to worry. I use the cheap ones for training only and mark them as such

I could see the fakes being good for training purposes where you have large groups where full function is not critically necessary for practical hands on concept and the cost savings would be worth it. just inform the group In the difference

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I think that is an acceptable way to use the counterfeits. I have done that in the past too and what I like to do is write "Training" or "Fake" on the time band so that it doesn't get confused with a real CAT.

Wow! Thank you so much brotha! Just found a fake turkey neck in my daily pouch. Good thing I have a real G7 CAT as a back up. Thank you for the vid. What a life saver this man! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🇺🇸 Gonna go buy some more legit stuff. 🤙🏼

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Turkey Neck!? Haha! I'm stealing that. Glad it helps!

Hell I buy $9 cat gen 7 models at Fort Campbell KY.

@MountainManMedical

3 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty good deal.

@Vinnytwotime

3 жыл бұрын

Just go to your medic and get them for free.

I can’t believe that people have the guts to manufacture a bad quality, fake rip off of such an essential piece of gear that literally means the difference between life and death, thank goodness your buddy in the story had a spare because when you look at most people who carry a tourniquet it’s usually only one, absolutely disgusting that people are willing to gamble with peoples lives for money

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, it is sad. Thanks for the comment!

Thanks DOC for the heads up

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps!

I’m glad I clicked on the video, my C.A.T T is legit.

I am surprised in the US where suing for 10’s of millions of dollars is not uncommon saving $20 on a fake medical product is in any way considered a good idea.

While not every clone CAT is junk, it’s too hard to tell which ones are bad. I’ve had a few and tested them all before considering carrying them and I’ve for sure cut off blood circulation with them. My best advice is just test your gear before trusting it.

What do you think of Recon Medical's tourniquets?

@MountainManMedical

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't had the chance to play with one yet. I'm planning on doing a review in the future, and see how it stacks up against the CAT and SOF-T.

@patrioticspirit2719

4 жыл бұрын

@@MountainManMedical Thanks. Looking forward to it. I bought a few because they were recommended to me by an EMT I know. Never had to use one yet(and hope I never do), but with the way things are you never know...

I received a $125+ kit from a reputable company that had a counterfeit CAT

Sounds like the cheap CAT tourniquet is a dog.

What do you guys think of the TMT?

@sledger2655

3 жыл бұрын

What to say..... It's much more like a cheaper substitution for the SOFTTW to me. (Somehow TMT's price is 1/4 lower than CAT GEN7 & SOFTTW here) Even just one of them is with the Velcro, I still feel like they have similar operations.In my opinion TMT's even much easier and faster to use than CAT and SOFTT. However as the TMT includes a lot of plastic parts,I'm still a bit worried if TMT could work normally like the other TQs at low temperature....

@peterstenbuck8806

3 жыл бұрын

@@sledger2655 Low temperature is an important consideration that is often overlooked. Also, "plastic" is called that in part because is is not at a stable final state chemically when sold. Modern plastics are better than older ones, but eventually they will become brittle with age. I have a rifle and several pistols that are over 100 years old and are still safe to shoot (standard loadings only, no +P!). I wonder how many of the wonder-polymer guns will be able to say the same in 2120?

Name of the knife on wall? Near Brass knuckles.

@nucleusclothing

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it's a Tracker

the fake ones have a issue where the bar snaps too

Heard about bad Amazon tourniquets so I purchased mine through LA Police gear.

I got a med kit online and the Israeli bandage the nasal pharyngeal and so on where the same brand as I got in the army but the CAT didn't look or feel right I had heard of knock offs before and was immediately suspicious of it I'm gonna got test it and see how it fails

@MountainManMedical

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah if it's missing the CAT markings in the places I described in the video, it's probably a fake.

tourniquets need super tightening and that hurts like hell as arteries run DEEP...but we were always taught that since the arteries run on the inside of legs and arms you tighten down THERE, not on the outer side of the arm/leg. Just sayin'...

Wish real CAT were easier to get in Canada. Pay crazy high prices if you can find someone to sell or crazy cheap fakes

I just got a couple of first aid kits from Amazon that had tourniquets in them and both are fakes! I will be buying the authentic CAT ones ASAP!

NAR CAT, $2 materials, $2 labor, $26 logo. If you're a person with a budget trying to get medical gear you'll probably never use, $30 for a single use item is a hard sell. Not to mention trying to have multiple of them. 4 per person, $120.

@TheChubbyKid

3 ай бұрын

Your putting money before your or someone's life. You spend more on insurance a year than a couple good IFAK kits.

For real yall, the gucci rifle and tac gear is cool, but I know a real one when i see one, and he usually has at least 2 tourniquets on his gear. Remember: "its the small things that get You killed." Always.

I bought 2 from eBay 3 years ago. Be careful.

Nice SXB

One of your points was it was harder to turn? Maybe because you put it on in the opposite direction as the first one ? Not saying the product is any better just noticed the inconsistency of your test. Like doing one with your right hand and one with your left, not an equal assessment. I do agree that you get what you pay for.

There's places to save $, your life saving gear, is not of them...

Big knife with a pair of brass knuckles

@davidpayne8413

Жыл бұрын

yes i also noticed the posing kit

I have a friend in CBP who said the Chinese are getting better at copying the real ones, labels etc. If it's cheap...

I'm just amazed by the acting put on when attempting to use the "other" tourniquet, just be transparent and say you're gonna bash a competitor. Also this is 3 years later, but I have one of those knockoffs and I have a true CAT, they perform similarly. 🤷‍♂ said what I said

SOFT-TW Gen 4

Ordered one of these cheap tourniquets from China - it had a nice pouch, pair of scissors, but the item itself is everything you describe here - low quality plastic and loose, slippery winding belt.

Someone should takeamazon to task for allowing the sale of these on amazon

Cutting corners and cost is one thing; but to do this and cost someone there life.. My God , what's wrong with some of these companies?? There's got to be some kind of law against selling equipment like this.. If not, there should be.

When i was doing my TCCC course in Warminster, PA; one of my co trainee brought and purchased a whole so callled "trauma kit" on ebay just to find out that the majority of his equipment were not the real products but copies made in China of the real thing. Before purchasing anything online, make sure you are certified and trained first in TCCC and go to the CoTCCC to see what has been approved and what to be watchful for. There are a lot of google articles how to find what is a real product vs what is a fake product. In a pinch, cheaper Chinese products will work if need be but i rather spend money on good quality rugged products such as the SICH Tourniquet (has not been approved by the CoTCCC as of yet) instead of spending money on a funeral house.

what I do not understand is why is it that medical supplies are so expensive, you would think that medical supplies such as a CAT tourniquet would cost as much as they do, and screw that theory is how much is your life worth that is BS that someone would even say that. it is just a saying for a selling point only. so I can most definitely understand why that company bought a low grade tourniquet. I guess I will bleed out, because I am a poor and I cannot afford $30. + for a decent tourniquet.

Holy shit, how as a Hospital can you not go for a real CAT ?!?!?! I mean yeah save costs or what ever but CATs are not that expensive. Smells like a class action lawsuit if somebody is going to kick the bucket because of that.

@anon07045

6 ай бұрын

Hospitals will always get the cheapest items on the market 😢

@panderz_gg

6 ай бұрын

@@anon07045 well I don't kow that from german hospitals. Sure they save money as well but that is mostly the food you get there and not life saving tools.

How you know is real or fake? Can you make a video with the real vs fake