0:00 Intro, opening talk Figure Skating 1:44 Aljona Savchenko returning with TJ Nyman (5:03 Vanessa's reaction to the scandal, Delilah's involvement) (17:12 consequences for other us pairs) 27:27 Evgeni Plushenko, Yaroslav, Nebelhorn trophy, Vincent Zhou 34:36 Alexia Paganini, Morozov, getting citizenship of other countries 45:55 Kaitlyn Weaver coming out, Nathan Chen 47:50 Morgan Hurd, qualification process, Tom Forester, russian head coach 1:01:18 Jade Carey 1:05:38 Arthur Danelian, Dmitri Aliev 1:06:25 Diving 1:10:40 Maggy Haney, Olivia Greaves 1:13:18 ending talk, Jason Brown coming out

@danunc

3 жыл бұрын

Qqq

I used to admire Aljona for her perseverance but ever since this comeback drama happened I've lost faith in her. She's even going around deleting the comments that say they don't support this partnership with an abuser.

Why would an Olympic champion debase herself by pairing up with a mediocre skater who has been at the centre of sexual assault and abuse allegations. Even if he was innocent, bloody asinine decision. She will regret this.

@trylogic4084

3 жыл бұрын

Looks to me like ambition. She won't be able to go to the Olympics but she can go and win Worlds. Maybe she feels like the Chinese pairs are not as good as they used to be and the Russian pairs can be beaten, so she might as well stop at the grocery store on the way home and grab herself a world gold medal.

@rajs7876

3 жыл бұрын

@@trylogic4084 if the Olympics were not her pipe dream she certainly could have waited to find a decent partner. Sge went out on top with a perfect season, why tarnish it. Agree the Paris podium is anything but determined

While I always loved Aljona's skating and her attitude I was never convinced that she was a good person. There was always talk about how badly Aljona and Ingo Steuer treated Robin and it was an open secret in German rinks (I'm from Germany) that they hated each other. After Sochi 2014 when it was clear that Robin didn't want to continue, Aljona and Ingo immediately looked for a new partner without telling Robin and then quickly dumped him and left him with no chance to earn any money with shows... I think in her book Aljona mentioned that she regrets how badly she handled this situation. That's why I actually thought she changed after leaving Ingo, and with her coaching environment in Oberstorf and her husband etc.... But clearly not! :( Just a few months ago when Aljona was commentating Worlds for German TV she stated that she would NEVER partner with someone other than Bruno because he is the best pair skater she could ever imagine and no one could ever replace him for her. And I thought she seemed genuine at the time. Well... and now we're here. In German we have the phrase "sie ist vom Ehrgeiz zerfressen" which basically means she is "eaten away by ambition" and that definitely seems to be the case here. It's just sad but imo she just throws away her legacy and personally I'm pretty disgusted even though - like I said - not exactly surprised.... Anyway thanks to you, Dave and Jonathan, for covering that clusterfuck so thoughtfully...! :)

@kthy31

3 жыл бұрын

Never heard that expression before and I am from Germany as well 😂 but fully agree with you!

@vanessaramcharan

3 жыл бұрын

Is she really throwing away her legacy? She obviously is having a hard time adjusting to no competition but she still has the ability to skate high level pairs. She won’t have this forever. She’s almost 40 years old. I support her competing as long as she can because it won’t last forever and it makes her happy.

@josling89

3 жыл бұрын

@@vanessaramcharan I sympathize with her missing the competitions and everything and I would happily support and admire her if she would have chosen a partner who isn't an alleged rapist! For example if she would've teamed up with Eric Radford I would totally be here for it, although the situation would still suck for Bruno and Meghan. But her choosing to ignore the allegations and doing seemingly everything just for her personal gain (although I just don't understand what she gets out of this particular partnership) is just a slap in the face of all (skating) survivors. And this is where I personally draw the line and say: I can't support someone like that! But everyone has different personal values and principles and that's okay... And in addition to that it's just really bad for the sport that we probably won't ever see THE pair team of the last olympics skate together again. I have hoped that if she really chose to continue, Bruno and her would still be friendly with each other and skate shows together... But now it seems that's not happening. So this whole situation is just HORRIBLE for figure skating imo.

@benbailey159bb

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLieselMD oh yeah it's very well known, there's no love lost between those two

@neles2656

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLieselMD It was them against him. They got the results because they were professional about it. When you watch the documentary "Vision Gold" Szolkowy admits that the work together is difficult for him and therefore needs to step away a little. But I'm quite sure that they are in some way friendly or respectful with each other again.

I don't know, I believe a Great sportsman should leave on a high note. For Aliona that was 2018. I respect her decision but I don't see this new partnership giving her the end result she might be going for. Yes, everybody loves a comeback but for me personally not this one.

I just don't get the fascination with TJ. Why would Aliona, at 37 years of age, chose a 21 year-old (who has never been on the podium at a single senior event...or even come close for that matter) who has bounced from partner to partner, and expect immediate results?? Just from that perspective alone, it makes no sense to me.

@timothyhh

3 жыл бұрын

Makes it easier for her to be the one in charge? Massot was similarly inexperienced when she teamed up with him.

@liceous

3 жыл бұрын

She wants a young boytoy

So does this mean that Meagan and Bruno could team up for shows? I think they would be great together! But on a more serious note, so disappointed with Aljona and upset that TJ is allowed to compete 😬

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Meagan and Bruno could!

@kristinab3838

3 жыл бұрын

Would be amazing!

@FanCanSkate

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson But Meagan has already teamed up with Dylan for now.

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

@@FanCanSkate Dylan isn’t a good person either so I hope she doesn’t stay with him for long

@mr.balloffur

3 жыл бұрын

Bruno quit skating, he's focused on coaching

such a big day for the family, skating's 4 weddings and a funeral

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

@etherealtb6021

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, Lisa! 😂😂😂 Would you like to be my new best friend? 😁

"They believed in this process so much that they decided not to do it in the future." This is the reason I continue to watch every week! Also, "Can you just land your damn jumps and be pretty?"

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

In a totally fair world, I’m not even sure Morgan Hurd would’ve been invited to Nationals. She’s competing some of the lowest difficulty routines in the field with poor execution. It’s not even safe for someone to be competing at such a high level so shortly after multiple surgeries. Tbh the writing was on the wall regarding Morgan’s Olympic chances when she failed to make the 2019 team. I understand that everyone wants a shot at Olympic glory, but at this point she’s just comprising her health with little benefit and is simultaneously jeopardizing her chances at being an NCAA recruit because she’s likely to get injured again by training at the elite level.

Was not expecting this on a Friday evening, can’t wait to hear you discuss everything, you are the best!

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

Apologies if I'm missing something here (discussions are hard to follow for the out-of-the-loop casual fan). From what little I knew, I always thought of Aljona as a "one-track-mind" athlete. My stereotype of hers is she lives for competing. No coaching, no administrating the sport, no organizing events, no performing shows, no judging, no competing in other realms will do. In this way, she is unlike Elvis Stojko or Megan Duhamel who continue to push themselves through multiple interests... Her professional carreer is "one-dimensional"... Thoughts, welcome.

So much going on! Didn’t think it was possible for Vanessa and Eric to be the second most controversial pair this upcoming season, but it has now happened. I don’t think this was a smart move by Aliona, but we shall see what happens. I thought from the beginning Tom Forster was a bad choice for the job as none of his athletes ever made it all the way to the top, which suggests he doesn’t know how to strategize to get there. And he’s done nothing to convince me otherwise since. And the way he handled this Morgan situation was just more evidence of that. Once Simone retires, his inadequacy will really start to shine. There has to be a happy medium between the harsh environment Marta created and this sh*t show that will still yield long term success. And so happy for Jason!!!! I hope it only continues to make him an even better skater and to be more free to live his life as he chooses.

Ross should send every one of these people flowers

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

100%

@maryschreck2557

3 жыл бұрын

Omg! And also…yeah

I still can't believe what happened to Morgan. Covid really messed things up for her and yet she still brought her 'morgan' flair to the floor. I adore and admire her😭😢😥. PS: can you talk about the utterly disgusting situation revolving Becky Downie and her absence from the Olympic GB Team. Disgraceful...

@jamesyu5212

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Morgan cypres is innocent and should be allowed to skate.

@caprisun4883

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesyu5212 huh?

@jamesyu5212

3 жыл бұрын

@@caprisun4883 woosh

@amyg4115

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesyu5212 wrong Morgan, genius! Rae was talking about Morgan Hurd. The 2017 Gymnastics World All Around Champion being left off the list to compete at Olympic trials and her petition to appeal and compete denied. As for Morgan Cipres-dude was stupid enough to send penis pictures to a young girl using his VERIFIED Instagram account, as well as emails with half assed apologies begging the family not to report him and trying to excuse his “stupid mistake” by bringing up the stress of training for the at that time upcoming Olympic Games……guilty!

@jamesyu5212

3 жыл бұрын

@@amyg4115 dude I said wooosh as in over your head. I knew she meant a different Morgan and I was joking about Morgan cypres. Live a little pedantic fool.

"Are they gonna skate to The Graduate?" 😅😅

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

59:45 The only problem I really have with saying "Just let Morgan and Chellsie compete. C'mon. They've contributed so much and are so beloved. They should just get a world champ exemption. It's not like it hurts anyone else." is that it does knock someone else out of their spot. That number of 18 is a set number, so we take Morgan, we have to kick out someone like Zoe or Skye. Trials in the US are an honor in and of themselves. Is taking it away from another gymnast just because you love the first gymnast so much really correct?

Thank you for another great episode! You guys are the best ))

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️❤️

Thank you for Keeping us up to date! Always great to hear your coverage.

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

The Jason Brown coming out story is sweet, but not surprising. Keep skating Jason, we' love you.

@mitraavesta7548

3 жыл бұрын

That is suprising that yagudin did not coment But now aliona wow it comes worse and worse in figure skating

LOVED this episode! Thank you for keeping us updated on the Alijona situation. I don't really follow pairs skating so this was incredibly informative. I've also been watching gymnastics nationals because for some reason it keeps popping up on my feed and I do find it very interesting even if I don't really know much about scoring so it's interesting to hear you talk about it as well. HUGE congrats to Kaitlyn Weaver for coming out and representing queer women in skating. And Jason Brown has always been one of my favorite skaters so I fangirled SO hard when I saw his coming out message on my Instagram feed. I just came out to my family a couple of days ago then to see Kaitlyn, Jason, and Paul all come out was such a gift. Happy Pride Everyone!

I'm excited for Rythmic Gymnastics this summer too it's amazing what those girls can do I think the US actually qualified someone this year too.

What do you think about the NBC commentators still praising coaches that have allegedly not been that great towards their gymnasts?

great episode guys! with the news about kaitlyn, jason and paul, this pride month has definitely been a great one for this figure skating fan!

So glad we got some Aunt Joyce in this episode ! Love your commentary Dave and your acerbic wit

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Fabulous show, Dave. Such exciting times!!

Meagan needs to partner up with Bruno, make a return together, and skate for Azerbaijan. Then finally the Pairs Skating will get more attention and messed up.

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

Bruno doesn’t want to compete, with anyone

FED UP WITH COMEBACKS !!!

I cannot support Aliona Savchenko any longer this is a horrible decision due to TJ Nyman’s shady past. I don’t care if she goes for a 6th Olympics or a 2nd gold. I hope this partnership fails just as much as Eric Radford and Vanessa James.

@yenglor691

3 жыл бұрын

She already got gold. She hasn't been preparing. It will just be a bad comeback for her.

@trylogic4084

3 жыл бұрын

I also want Aliona to fail. I hope she can't even get a national medal, but I'm probably fooling myself if I think she won't. And she will not be able to go to the Olympics, because she is not an American citizen.

@eylulgok3849

3 жыл бұрын

Yesterday TSL shared a video of the camera record of the ice rink that shows Aljona and Nyman hugging and kissing, i do not know why did they deleted it now.

Not Aljona and Co. leaving you on read! I won't stand for this! Also, Lmao Jonathan: "you like who both??" thinking Dave might say Aljona and TJ. Je vis ! 💗

@user-jy8zb2wc8l

3 жыл бұрын

Jonathan was likely clarifying it for the audience, in case they don't get it!

@thesovgc

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-jy8zb2wc8l it was so cute 💗

I'm summing Friday up with 3 Coming Outs (Kaitlyn Weaver, Paul Poirier and Jason Brown) and 1 Controversial comeback (I don't need to say who). And I really hope, the same thing with James/Radford, that Savchenko/Nyman never ever get to go to the Olympics together as a pair. And yeah, I really wish she teamed up with O'Shea instead.

@etherealtb6021

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I missed Jason and Paul! Thank god for some positive news today.

@jamesyu5212

3 жыл бұрын

Jason came out? I thought he came out years ago the first time he was on tv blowing kisses during his kiss and cry.

@user-gg9uu9kx9w

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesyu5212 Jason came out of the glass closet

@jamesyu5212

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-gg9uu9kx9w it would have been more shocking if he came out as straight.

Why would Aljona team up with him, especially if they won't be able to compete at the Olympics . . . she's all about the Olympics?!?

@nondescriptnyc

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting point. She already got what she wanted, and her priorities in life have changed, I am sure. So, maybe she is no longer about winning the Olympics and more about enjoying skating (a la Katarina Witt in 1994, when she entered competitions fully aware that she’d never win anything-although she DID luckily end up at the Olympics).

@nicolevaldelleon3746

3 жыл бұрын

I think shes doing what she likes that was the most inspiring about her. But id love to see her return with Bruno Massot because they are the world record holder and inspirational team.

@amyg4115

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicolevaldelleon3746 I think she wanted to return with Bruno Massot, but Bruno decided against making a comeback, in part over the devastating loss of the coach Jean Francois Ballester, whom he was extremely close to, like a part of his family. Because Bruno did not want to return to competition, Aljona had to find a new partner if she wanted to compete and there wasn’t a compatible partner available for her in Germany and finding one available that matched her technique and ability to be molded by her like she did with Bruno was pretty limited and required her to look to other countries and skating federations.

@trylogic4084

3 жыл бұрын

@@amyg4115 The thing is, she's not going to have that much time to completely teach TJ her methods.

My guess at the reason for the Jade Carey spot situation: I think the FIG only wanted each person to be able to earn one Olympic quota spot. So if you were part of a team that qualified a spot to the Olys (top 3 teams in 2018, the 9 highest placing teams in 2019 that had not already qualified) you couldn't participate in the world cups to qualify individual spots. And those are individual spots, not available to your national fed to substitute in someone else. So the US can't send Simone to everything to get the US maximum number of spots. (and another aim to the whole thing is to get more athletes from "lesser" federations.)

@fredrika27

3 жыл бұрын

Very true like Oksana Chusovitina qualifying of Uzbekistan or the gymnasts from Egypt, Algeria and South Africa!

The excitement over Jason's coming out made my day!!! I'm so happy for him, Kaitlyn, and Paul. Happy Pride month everyone!🏳️‍🌈

@brennaw51

3 жыл бұрын

@Kate F What are you so up in arms about?? I just said I was happy for them?

Oh, praise the TSL gods! We all would've spontaneously combusted if we had had to wait until Sunday! Just starting now, but I'm doubtful she'll get a fast track citizenship in this political climate, but curious to hear what you two are going to say. Off to watch ....

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Ew I lost so much respect for aljona

Oh, the gymnastics thoughts ... Along with what you said on the show, some of us who have been around long enough dislike Tom because we remember him from 1995-1996, when he tried to act like the "nice" coach who was going to revolutionize gymnastics, only to act like a petulant child when his gymnasts made mistakes at Olympic Trials and made that comment about Kerri Strug - about knowing when she came she was capable of leaving again. His behavior as team coordinator is nothing new. He's a little Karolyi-like in that his words and actions haven't matched for (literally) decades, but USAG doesn't care and promoted him anyway. As for Jade Carey, I think it's worth pointing out that this controversy might not even exist without the pandemic. If everything had gone as planned, she would have been forced to make a decision on whether to go for the team or accept the individual spot before Trials, and her track record suggests finishing in the top-four at Trials would be difficult for her. With the final World Cup (individual qualifying) event being rescheduled and not cancelled, though, she can compete at Trials and see what happens. Personally, I don't blame her for still trying for the team - if I could be practically-guaranteed a gold medal, I'd go for it, too. Let's face it - if she goes in the individual spot, it would take a pretty big upset for her to win a gold medal. (For those of you who don't know, her best events are vault and floor, the same as Simone Biles.)

I'm glad Jason used the word Gay and not Queer, which when I was young in the UK was a term of abuse. What's wrong with identifying as a Lesbian, nobody says Lesbian anymore, and I don't understand why? Also you just missed out on Paul Poirier too.

Have y'all listened to the Ross episode of Polina's podcast? I highly recommend it. It's a fascinating psychological study 💗

Exactly!! the idea of having limited spots for the olympics is to let other countries that do not have the same opportunities to have a spot, but it makes no sense and it is of no help to the countries if like dave said a rich girl change her nationality just to have a spot because she was not able to qualify in her own country. It totally defeats the purpose, because the athletes that are really coming from those countries still won't get the chance.

@MsRumex

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes there just no athletes that can compete on this level. One still needs to qualify to participate in the competition, regardless what country he/she represents.

Even thought the announcers who noticed the judges watched Suni’s feet and they did hit the floor during her bar routine with many other noticeable deductions, she got less than 2 points in deductions on execution which is absolutely outrageous so you are correct about Jade. They will make sure at any cost that she won’t make top two even though she really is possibly the 2nd best gymnast in the world. She was trying to cast a large net to be able to go to the Olympics. Personally I’d want her on my team but that’s not how USAG operates. The announcers really swooned to make sure there’d be no doubt when their chosen girls made the team. After four decades of watching their shenanigans I put nothing past them. They are money hungry back stabbing a-holes.

Way too much shorthand in this.... Please bring us up to speed, those of us who are not fully into the loop. Like maybe do "headlines" at the top of the show, with one-sentence recaps of the news. Just a thought. Thank you, you're fabulous. :)

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure which shorthand you are referring to? It will help to know specifically so we can help you out going forward.

@yosily

3 жыл бұрын

What exactly is the status of allegations on TJ Nyman? Did Safesport flag him? What did TJ Nymam say on CYA Live?

I just assumed that Jordan wouldn’t make any money on the Simone tour bc she’s still amateur but either way I really want Jordan (and maybe even Sunisa) to go to worlds and try to snag the world AA title. I understand they’ll probably be burned out but all the other countries are probably sending their B athletes and their A athletes are also burned out. I know once you’re olympic gold, you’re set, but it’s still a world title.

@vanessaramcharan

3 жыл бұрын

I thought they changed the rules for NCAA that athletes can earn money. There was a huge lawsuit over athlete revenue. I also think that i. previous years athletes were able to put their money in a trust.

@Ogusername-h7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@vanessaramcharan I don’t know I haven’t had the time to look into it further. I’m just not 100% sure if or when that rule is actually effective into official use for all states nationwide. I thought there was supposed to be another meeting about it coming up which who knows will actually happen, but I haven’t had the time to look into it.

@trylogic4084

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't that level of decision rest with USAG? I don't know for sure, but I can't picture individual states having different policies in that.

@Ogusername-h7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@trylogic4084 In some states, like Georgia, Alabama, and Florida, the new rule is effective starting July, but it's not like that in all states yet. This decision is in the hands of the state government and the NCAA. But I don't know the exact specifics.

“The Jan Brady of pairs skating!” The best insult

I'm happy for jade she took her destiny in her own hands not relying on a committee to choose her and her bars got a lot better

Honey, Eric Radford isn’t even interesting enough to be the Jan Brady of Pair’s Skating. I mean, Eric Radford, to me, is the John Tesh of Pair’s Skating, with all the sheet music he writes on...

Oh dear I see the Aljona/TJ training video has vanished. I was loving the comment section but couldn't believe it when Liam commented there - though I screenshot and zooned in and that did not look like a kiss on the cheek.

@eylulgok3849

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they deleted that, what did Liam said in comment ?

@benbailey159bb

3 жыл бұрын

@@eylulgok3849 He said it was all a misunderstanding, that her foot was hurting and training hadn't gone well so TJ gave her a hug and a kiss on the cheek. Except I screenshot and zoomed in and it really doesn't look like a kiss to the cheek and they were hugging for like nearly a whole minute

@eylulgok3849

3 жыл бұрын

@@benbailey159bb yeah it was strange

Why doesn’t an ex gymnast like Aly Raisman, Cathy Rigby, etc vie to be Marta’s replacement?

This episode is sooo good omfg

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Yes dave. I love the diving. Louganis. Boudia. Nixon Wilkinson. Dailey. All of it.

Great show Dave. Just wandering, are you going to talk about the Becky Downie situation in the next one maybe?

Thank you for the work you do in covering artistic gymnastics. I love my subjective artistic sports. They are so messy and so beautiful across the board

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

You're so welcome!

She's not even an AMerican citizen, how does she think she's gon go to the Olympics? Also she's old enough to be his mother, they're gonna look so odd on the ice. What?! This is all so cray cray.

@jamesyu5212

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha. You think she really was a German citizen when she won her pyeongchang gold? Just watch Olympic table tennis and how many European competitors are actually Chinese. Olympics is business above all else. She was already old enough to be Bruno’s mother they still won gold.

@flywings111

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesyu5212 Athletes can represent a country at the Olympics only if they have the citizenship. Savchenko is of course German citizen, this is how she was able to represent Germany at the 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2014 Olympics. And if she wants to represent USA at the Olympics she needs to get US citizenship too.

@jamesyu5212

3 жыл бұрын

@@flywings111 I know that. Don’t you think the US won’t give aliona a passport? They’d be happy to give that to her in a span of 2 weeks 😏Germany gave her a passport in 2002 after less than 3 months. She was Ukrainian.

@lyragill3395

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesyu5212 It's going to take a while. Look into how long Tanith had to wait to get citizenship, and she was a medal contender.

@skatefan9495

3 жыл бұрын

She's not aiming for the Olympic, obviously.

Eric Radford the Jan Brady of pairs skating!! LMFAO

I almost forgot what day of the week it was when I saw this

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Working around schedules!

Here's something that would shock me evan lysacek coming out . Whatever closet he is in has steel. Doors

@fishythefish7984

3 жыл бұрын

Oh? I'm new to skating, could you explain?

I do think Russia and China could compete with the USA without Simone

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

I do as well. I actually think it will be good for the sport.

I see this being over before the end of summer re: aljona tj

Tomoki was the alternate if Vincent had withdrawn due to injury

Finally some important news to my day. :)

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like Nellie Biles would do better than Tom is as national team coordinator

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Ohh 100%

Yes, Vincent's Instagram post put his skating into question. If Vincent isn't sent to Nebelhorn, who goes to Nebelhorn? What exactly does the USA need to get the third spot? How likely is it that the USA will confirm a third spot?

@ColonelGreen

3 жыл бұрын

The US man at Nebelhorn needs to be top 7 (or possibly lower, depending on if some of the spots confirmed at Worlds get returned, as Sweden might do given the Swedish Olympic Committee's high bar for anyone to get sent). It would be more surprising if the US didn't confirm a spot, but nothing is certain, obviously.

@ColonelGreen

3 жыл бұрын

@@jekicolin8036 Vincent can go because he didn't make the free skate (and thus, did not contribute to the spots the US did qualify).

@jekicolin8036

3 жыл бұрын

@@ColonelGreen yeah

@fishythefish7984

3 жыл бұрын

Wait what post?!! 😳 explain pls

Do you think Tom forester denied Morgan, chellsie and aleahs petitions to make his job “easier”. They add some wildcards to the mix 🤔

Dave where is the diving series? Netflix?

Are we allowed to send more than one skater or team to Nebelhorn? I read the rules that say that you can't win more than one spot there, but can we send more than one person or team in any discipline?

@benbailey159bb

3 жыл бұрын

No only one person/pair per discipline per country is allowed

@trylogic4084

3 жыл бұрын

@@benbailey159bb Thank you. I'm wondering which of the women they're going to send. Mariah has gone the last two years, but I don't see them sending her unless she's skating spectacularly. Who knows, maybe Alysa.

This has been a banner day for skating news. Some great stuff and not so great....

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

100%

I'll be honest, I didn't realise that Jason hadn't already come out, I just thought he always was out already. As I tell my children... when you fall in love, you fall in love with a person, not their gender or orientation. Love is love, and will always win. Go Jason - I'm sorry I didn't realise you weren't out, but now your are out officially - I take my hat off to you. Go Jason. Go Kaitlin. Go Guillaume. Go love.

only a certain amount of athletes can go to trials. many of them don't stand a chance and it's possible morgan could be more ready than some of them at trials, but then it takes their spot away that they met over morgan per the criteria and point system to advance. it's bad timing. glad chellsie is moving fwd and thinking about worlds. wonder if laurie will do the same or be on the tour. laurie was the least ready of anyone.

@trisanatandler

3 жыл бұрын

Sad about Morgan but she is unstable in her delievery since 2019.I think her coach mentioned mental problems and her health problems do not help. If she hits she is so beautiful but it hasn't happened a lot lately 😢😢. I still think they could have allowed her Trials. Honestly they do not mean she goes to the Olympics 👀👀.

@SonOfAGun1814

3 жыл бұрын

@@trisanatandler it's a bummer we won't see morgan or chellsie at trials, but usag actually did the right thing by the numbers. they're damned no matter what they do, but they did the right thing for once. the athletes know the protocol and if they don't then that's their own fault.

if you can't make it onto the intermediate solo dance podium then you shouldn't be going to international competitions.

Wait: I thought Delilah was over when Alexa clapped her figure skates and made her and Chris disappear from D after Pyeongchang? I mean... I was over after she coached Rockne.

"like" for the buttery acoustics in the car :)

Jonathan listening to old judging videos; I hear you like the Lebanese guys. I'm here for you. Lol half Lebanese . Family in Lebanon. Family here. Salaam

The rule is a gymnast could not be part of the team that qualified to the Olympics and win the individual spot (Like double dipping)

I agree with Dave... I think they need someone like Martha that has that mentality since they use to be consistant back then and everything matter they where preprare for every situation... Cause they did have mistakes on the last worlds

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think they need Martha. I just think they need someone disciplined, consistent, strategic and with clear standards.

@anaelivillarreal8830

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson thats what i meant someone that has Martha's mentality not Martha ...

If I remember correctly, skating DID used to have an Olympic Trials, did they not?

I can’t wait until Tabitha Yim or Jordyn Weiber becomes National Team Coordinator when Li Li decides that Tom is too soft and not a good leader. I also think Chellsie would be a great NTC eventually after Paris 2024. Still amazed that Al Fong is still allowed at USAG sanctioned events.

@Ogusername-h7e

3 жыл бұрын

We ban Maggie Haney but not Al Fong... I understand Maggie’s an awful person but I don’t understand why someone like Al Fong can go to the Olympics

@MrsLeila92

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ogusername-h7e Kim Zmeskal was also there.. they should all be banned

@Ogusername-h7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrsLeila92 Yes I agree, I don’t get why they single out Maggie as if she’s the only one

@rajs7876

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I do believe people can change but I still would not let him near my daughter. I cringe every time I see him in camera.

@JoshuaFazeli

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrsLeila92 Kim and Chris needs to not be coaches, yes.

Did they talk about Jason's coming-out? I heard Kaitlyn and then gymnastics

@JackAShepherd

3 жыл бұрын

Oh JK, it's 1:14:00

I don't know Delilah but after years of watching you guys, I just want her to go away

Wait so what info do we have on kayne/O’Shea and their respective (potential) new partners? I can’t find anything

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Danny O'Shea is skating with Chelsea Liu.

I'm intrigued... what did Moskvina tell Elena Bechke about coming back for 1994?

@anastasiasolovey2889

3 жыл бұрын

She told her not to come back and do other stuff she would like

Honey jan Brady is not the right analogy. Eric Radford is like Paul amongst The Dean , Logan and Jess debate.

Don’t stop olympic shorts. We enjoy them and it’s good to sharpen our knowledge

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Will do!

This is Aljona. She has been to 5 Olympics. You know she is fierce and a fighter. She is going to skate and coach TJ.

The Skating lesson is turning into a youtube tabloid show. Tom wanted to make sure everyone knew about the petitions being denied so no one would have a reason to whine. The uproar would have been 1000 times worse if someone had learned about it online before gymnasts and families knew. Making sure all your t's are crossed and i's are dotted is called common sense.

Yes. Allow the top skaters to compete at elite Comps. If that means 6 Russian ladies then so be it. A deeper field and parity means more drama for the podium. So why not. We already saw India’s top pair team and that was no treat.

@alexac3098

3 жыл бұрын

That's what the Grand Prix Final is.

@BillyWhaler

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexac3098 yes. and it works. We don’t need more Georgian Lugers at the winter games.

@sukanya5764

3 жыл бұрын

India competed in pairs? What ? When?

@BillyWhaler

3 жыл бұрын

@@sukanya5764 a few years back. Cricket it was not.

See I think Jade actually could place top two. She’s improved so much!

@biggestgymfan7230

3 жыл бұрын

She doesn’t have the difficulty on balance beam and bars too place top 2 the best I could see her placing AA is 4th

@kaylalorentz3020

3 жыл бұрын

@@biggestgymfan7230 true. Suni and Jordan would have to really mess up.

Noooo. I would like to see Aljona and Bruno Massot together as a pair. They were my magical team 🥺🥺🥺

@alexac3098

3 жыл бұрын

Bruno has retired from competition. His body can't take the strain anymore.

Hell yeah!!!;!!

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

Aljona should just pair up with Danny O’Shea. I understand he’s with someone else. Although it may be considered uncool, I don’t think Danny leaving his current partner for Aljona is that controversial.

@fionan7311

3 жыл бұрын

Tarah and Danny have already split, after they left their coaches. There must be something else involved, like funding or coaching opportunities, otherwise Aljona could have stayed in Germany.

@Ogusername-h7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@fionan7311 I wasn’t referring to Tarah. And I never said Aljona should have stayed in Germany. She would have the same funding and would be staying in the same country if she skated with Danny. And right now at this second, I think she’s more interested on competition opportunities over coaching opportunities.

@fionan7311

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't say you said anything about Germany. If he has a new partner then maybe that's why she didn't team up with him. Also Danny is about 9 years older which could be a factor.

@Ogusername-h7e

3 жыл бұрын

@@fionan7311 Then what does Germany have to do with my comment? And danny already having a partner was the whole point of my comment. Danny leaving his current unestablished partnership that he’s hardly been with and never competed with so that he can switch to an Olympic gold medalist legend is not controversial in relative to what happens in skating. TJ dumped his current partner for Aljona. That would be nothing new. Bruno Massot and Eric Radford are also significantly older than TJ yet I’m sure Aljona would take either of them in a heartbeat over TJ if she could, so I don’t think age is a major player.

@fionan7311

3 жыл бұрын

I guess I was just wondering why she switched countries at all. Anyway after seeing the other video doubt she is interested in Danny, really worried about this new partnership

Why is video where Aljona and Tj Nyman kiss on the lips removed?

@eylulgok3849

3 жыл бұрын

Did Liam comment on that ?

@akyadott

3 жыл бұрын

@@eylulgok3849 i didnt see his comment, but someone on reddit says Liam commented and later deleted

@eylulgok3849

3 жыл бұрын

@@akyadott yeah that is true

oh it's special alright!

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

Just a question! By saying allegedly with a statement can you say unproven things and not be held libel? Asking for a freind " Allegedly " ?

Still crazy🤣

Where is the righteous indignation from your fans concerning the pairing of Alijona and TJ. When the Vanessa and Eric pairing was announced there was overwhelming negativity against Vanessa’s actions with her lack of condemning Morgan Cipres publicly. At least Morgan was a former partner and friend and Morgan was not accused of the even greater crime of rape like TJ has been. I tried to keep the race issue out of my thinking when reading the comments made about Vanessa, but this situation proves otherwise. I am seeing two different standards here from your audience. Sorely disappointed that my initial thoughts have been proven true. I know people were upset about the treatment of Meghan, but I am only referring to the sexual assault component.

@Chastaken

3 жыл бұрын

Really??I only read negative comments here and in twitter. Which is it fair because this pairing is even worst.

TJ gives me such bad/creepy vibes… I would not ever want to be in a rink with him let alone potentially be his pair partner 🥴🥴

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

100%

Who is Delilah?

@mitraavesta7548

3 жыл бұрын

I think she is the coach but never heard of her or nyman until now I can not believe it

So what's the deal with TJ? Does he have friends in high places? Does he have a sugar mommy? honestly they protect him and try too hard to boost his career like he's something special???? I find him painfully average and not that cute, he looks like every other boy on tik tok I JUST DON'T GET IT.

@Chastaken

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure his family is powerful so that's why he is so protected.if he was a nobody this would never happen.

@TheAnnmjensen

3 жыл бұрын

He is a male pair skater.

@MsRumex

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAnnmjensen lol) you are right. Be a Male pair skater is a rarity.

They should allow 4 spots for countries not 3

They’re not getting married-who cares about the age difference. I’m kind of intrigued by the whole thing. I don’t know who this TJ is but Aljona could bring some needed excitement to US pairs. She could also help them gain more spots at Worlds which would give more opportunities going forward.

@celinam.2513

3 жыл бұрын

There are rape accusations against him from Emma Tang...

@skatefan9495

3 жыл бұрын

@@celinam.2513 From what I read, she does not claim to be a victim. You can't convict someone on hearsay allegations. He obviously hasn't been disciplined, suspended or convicted of anything because he is still skating.

@celinam.2513

3 жыл бұрын

@@skatefan9495 Didn't USFS just tell all students from Dalilah (his coach who allegedly supportet him and his actions) to leave her?

Who is Delilah again? I recognize the name but don't remember who/what she's connected to.

@TheSkatingLesson

3 жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalilah_Sappenfield

@Bnizzofashizzo

3 жыл бұрын

Things a simple google search could have told you…

@danieeccc

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bnizzofashizzo Didn't know her last name so I would have only gotten so far.. Thank you TSL for the link!

@kittymarch8455

3 жыл бұрын

@@danieeccc I’ve found putting in the first name and skating will find the person.