I should have also mentioned that this is one of the superchargers that’s open to public use further expanding open CCS availability. Inside they also have an air compressor and mobile windshield washing station which I unfortunately missed. Can’t wait to come back and see this place when it’s fully completed!

@meroller1

Жыл бұрын

The baker Schüren is behind the Seed&Greet. He put up solar on his bakery in Hilden over 10 years ago, and started the "Ladekreuz Hilden" in front of his bakery. Some 12 or so Type 2 22kW public chargers that, another first, can be started by swiping your normal EC Maestro bank card. He carried that over to the Seed&Greet fast charging hub. All those AC chargers around the perimeter are for slower charging cars that do not have DC-fast charging on board. Also his employees can park and charge there while they are at work. My favourite charging location!

@databeestje

Жыл бұрын

Biased, ofcourse, but Fastned is the gold standard to hold all the other CCS charging companies to with a 99+% uptime. You probably didn't test this at the time, but I am quite sure that *all* the Fastned chargers there would have worked without issue with normal speeds. It is the charging network I will happily drive to with 2% battery, because the company breathes reliability.

This was privately designed and funding organised by a local baker, Roland Schüren. Pitty you not only missed the Tesla pool but getting a tour with this guy as the story of the Seed&Greet Ladepark is beyond amazing (just ask Elon how difficult it is to get anything done in Germany).

Great rewiew! Thank you for visiting us, dear Kyle. If I had known that you were coming, I would have liked it to guide and explain you the whole site. Electric regards Roland Schüren

@elektrischunterwegscom

Жыл бұрын

@out of spec reviews he's the ower.

We need facilities like this in America! Charging in the corner of a Walmart parking lot is mildly acceptable when it works, but this is so much better.

@Whole_Leash_It

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, all of our charging in the US seems like a very after thought.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

Ok Elizabeth Warren! The electric grid is already fragile enough as Texans and Californians are throttled in their AC. So what unicorn fart tech do you propose will feed this electricity??

@danielrivero8593

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, charging in the far corner or the back of store as if you are undesirable and putting yourself at risk of being robbed is not the way to transition to EV. Just like there are fueling station everywhere, charging station need to be the same.

@tinarollins8

Жыл бұрын

Yes, someone needs to send this to Mayor Pete!

@TheLearningCatalystCoach

Жыл бұрын

@@Whole_Leash_It much like our US mass transportation failures compared to Europe. Too much capitalism leads to greedy hands that influence govt contracts and leave planning to greedy CEOs instead of actual city and interstate planners.

Amazing!Just adding cover/shade to the charging areas in America would be a big upgrade.

You missed that there are windshield washers inside the shop as well as battery powered vacuum cleaners for free there too. Also the new building will host two wind turbines! Also the food inside is absolutely great and made carbon neutral

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

Sure carbon neutral. What makes the electricity to power all those chargers? Russian natural gas.

@robert5008

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf No it's Russian "processed" gas

@ab-tf5fl

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf That's explained in the video. It's powered mostly by the solar panels on the roof. The solar energy collected is stored in batteries, so you can use it even when charging at night.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

@@ab-tf5fl sure Jan. I’m sure it’s all powered by solar. What is the carbon footprint on those battery banks and solar panels?

@elektrischunterwegscom

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf Better then that of cole or natural gas, at least after a couple of years. The longer the PV is generating electricity, the better the carbon footprint will be.

Reminds me of a 1960s drive-in resturaunt. I love it!

The founder of this location is Roland Schüren (along with some investors). He is the guy behind the backery chain schüren which is also at this location.

😂 Can't believe you were 3 minutes from our home. We use the "all you can charge" option there all the time. Prices went from €3,50 - €8 - €12 to now €16 I think. Still an OK deal if you charge from 10%. Electricity is expensive here. This has actually been around for years already .. it's a local baker that already had another charging park in Hilden and uses a fleet of electric vehicles for his bakery.

@R3Dband10

Жыл бұрын

Just wait until this winter. It's going to get even more expensive as your leaders have chosen to attack putin, who supplies all your oil gas and coal! Haha I'm so sorry...

We meet up there about every Saturday for coffee and chats with friends. It’s been a long journey for Roland to get this up and running and just goes to show what one man with a vision can do.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

Remember when Your delegates at the UN laughed at Trump, when he told you the truth. That relying on Russian natural gas would get you in trouble? Hehe whose laughing now? It’s going to be a cold cold winter for you and your leeches. You will burn whatever you can find to stay warm this winter. Or you will give into the Russians like you do your wife’s boyfriend every Saturday night.

What an amazing facility. I wish we had stuff like that in the US.

You alluded to the main question regarding all of these Euro mega-charging stations: How are they funded both initially and on-going, and what is the business plan? Without knowing this it's hard to evaluate how they can be installed in the US.

@kleincamper

Жыл бұрын

This charging station is actually built by a local baker. They use a lot of electric vehicles in their fleet. I don't think he would built this without getting some money out of it.

@MrGoogle87

Жыл бұрын

Fastned is funded by a Dutch company, Tesla is Tesla. Don’t know about the slow chargers though

@elektrischunterwegscom

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGoogle87 The slow chargers are from Seed&Greet themselves. They are in preperation for the office building that will be built there.

@bradmikkelsen8960

8 ай бұрын

Bit of a old thread but it is becoming clear that Charging providers are actually making money, compared to gas stations (very little actual profit for the owner, highly subsidised by car washes and snacks)

Thanks for the tip, will be going there in September when driving from Holland to Venice, Italy!

Beats the heck out of charging in the corner of a Walmart parking lot.

@rp9674

Жыл бұрын

I would be happy to have Walmart charging, the bar is so low for me right now

@aussie2uGA

Жыл бұрын

Walmart? Thats actually a great spot for bathrooms and something to do. There are so many in remote lots without bathrooms or retail outlets around.

@rp9674

Жыл бұрын

@@aussie2uGA so true, nothing worse than being in the middle of nowhere waiting for your car to charge, fortunately I haven't had to do that in a long time.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

@@rp9674 I agree. That is why I drive a gas powered truck. Max wait is 5 min to fill up the 33 gallon tank.

@rp9674

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf good for you, I do not miss find gas or having to work on my car

Any plans on doing a video on a Kempower setup? Sounds really promising! Björn has done a really cool demo on the backend side, and Plug Life made a great explanation on the concept, but I think your viewers would be interested as well.

america NEEDS MORE CHARGING STATIONS LIKE THE ONE IN THIS VIDEO, ARTISTS. ENGINEERS INCLUDING MYSELF. LETS DO THIS! PLEASE. i can see so much potential in ev if they standardize using credit cards like they do at gas stations and also freakin making big places like this look so beautiful. it would be awesome! HAVE A PLAYGROUND NEARBY AND A SMALL SHOP OR RESTERAUNT AND YOU CAN CALL IT A WORK OF ART! pull through stations with enough flexibility in the cables so there is no fuss. maybe some awning that can extend over the top making it a solid roof temperarily so to protect the ev in a storm from hail! this would be so big i swear someone needs to help do this and nobody will be able to do this on their own

Beautiful facility, thanks for the tour and your good work. Few comments come to mind from my experience owning a Hyundai Ioniq 5 for 4 months now and a home with solar panels. 1. This is a huge property and I can't see my WA state ever funding such a project unfortunately 2. If it was anywhere near Seattle, homeless encampments and bathroom vandalism would have destroyed something so nice (all our Freeway rest stops are trashed) so our approach to crime would have to step up so that something as expensive as this facility isn't immediately ruined. 3. I've had good luck with the Electrify America stations near me but these European facilities are fantastic and seem more powerful and dependable 4. The solar panels are a nice touch but my 9.9 kW home solar system averages about 25 kWH per day over the course of an often cloudy Seattle year so it takes about 2 days of solar to provide enough electricity for one charge. We should all keep in mind that Solar / E Cars are nice but they still need energy and that energy has to be made somewhere (in USA I think it's still 25% coal generated) 5. Like you've often said, if EV are going to succeed, people need to know they have dependable charging for their road trips. Thanks again for your great educational videos.

@chrisvanzadel6944

Жыл бұрын

Ad 2. Seems like American society need to solve another problem first... Maybe include free homeless facilities with the same level of quality as charging as an operational requirement in the permit process?

Great video. Thankyou !!!

Canada is decades behind on charge stations like this. I don’t know how we’re going to meet our current commitments. Even America is better off than what we have. Unless you live in Vancouver which is nowhere near this but decent. But if you live in Ontario, good luck finding anything outside Toronto proper.

This is the best supercharging location i have been. Nice to see the progress, when I was there it was still work in progress for the second row of chargers. Let's hope for more and more of these amazing locations, hotel backyard charging is not really amazing

I love these charging station reviews. They are really doing it right over there in Germany.

Looks great! We need covered working chargers here in the state. To add to this windshield washer bins and vacuums would be great time kills while you wait to have your car charged.

That's a nice video. 😊 I'm looking forward to the time when I can use it for greening and play an active role.

What's wild is that Germany has big overhangs for their chargers, but here in AZ they're all just out in the hot Arizona sun.

Fastned supports the vehicle ID handshake so you only have to use the app once and then you can just plug in and charge. Just returned yesterday from Germany and it seems that the number of Tesla superchargers are just exploding, new locations, old locations doubling chargers.

Huge FastNed fan! They have a lot of crazy cool installments!

V3 Supercharger cabinets max at 350kVA continuous but can have DC buses between cabinets to better balance utilization across cabinets

I live 3 minutes away from Seed & Greet. It's announcement was the final nail for the decision to buy a Tesla back in 2020. You should have charged the Taycan at the Tesla Superchargers ;) Hilden is one of the few locations in germany that are already opened up to the public. Also great is the fact that Tesla Service Center Düsseldorf, Dortmund, Essen and Cologne are really near. Best place for Tesla drivers =)

Kyle, thanks for great tour. It makes good sense to locate the high power Tesla cabinets close to its charger stalls. But, why are the battery cabinets so far away causing long, expensive cable runs?

Alpitronic HYC 300 has four 75 kW power units, each can either power the outlet directly in front of it, or can be combined with neighbour, but only 2+2 (150 kW left CCS, 150 kW right CCS) or all four (300 kW left or right CCS). Other combinations are not possible, ie 225 kW left + 75 kW right is not possible. Or if Chademo is occupied, the CCS on the same side can only do 75 kW. Upcoming HYC 400 model will have 8 modules by 50 kW and full mesh, ie every outlet available power in 50 kW steps. New Tritium 360 same design, but with 12 power modules at 30 kW, even better granularity. These are the chargers to wish for in new installations.

We need more of this in the US, and not just EA in Walmart or Target parking lots.

Great video. Interesting that there seemed to be more Tesla's using the slower V2s, although some were older Ss (pre-facelifit) that maybe hadn't had the upgrade

@elektrischunterwegscom

Жыл бұрын

If you want to go to the bistro, great pizza by the way, why not use the slower chargers?

Transport Evolved just posted a video of an amazing station in England. I so wish the US with catch up to Europe, and how they provide/support EV, charging with far superior infrastructure

Really enjoying your charing station reviews. Makes me wanna visit them when I pass nearby myself. Could you maybe leave a Google Maps link in the comments as well in the future? Thanks

This infarm thing is also in use at Autostadt in Wolfsburg actually

What is also great is that as there are so many Tesla chargers, going there with a non-tesla should not cause issues if the cars charging port is on the wrong side. In case the fastneds are full

Love these tours of EU charging sites Kyle. If our own US providers choose not build sites like this then shame them into action. Maybe you can make a video series of just charger installs in the countries you visit. Great video & thanks for posting.

Fastned has auto charge which starts automatically after the first time you enable it. So it works like Tesla.

In the US they can just add a ton of chargers to shopping malls and outlet malls and revitalize them that way.

The site now also has a NIO battery-swap station, this was just being opened a few months ago when I was charding here.

Wow. Imagine if you could build these of main routes in the U.S . Vertical farming is the future as it is the City version of Farming, using less land and allowing re-wilding. Totally cool site.

I would prefer to keep charging in Lone Pine, CA. The Supercharger has a front row seat to the highest peak in the lower 49. The Eastern Sierra rising so very high out of the valley is jaw dropping.

Hey Kyle you remember. Back in the old days. The little America truck stops. Had like a hundred or so pumps. Showers restaurants and gift shop. 1990 was the last time I was at one ..........be water my friend

The level 2 chargers are probably "waiting" chargers. If the DCFC stalls are all full, you can slowly level 2 charge until one becomes available?

At Estero, FL, Tesla installed 16 - V3 supercharger stalls plus 16 - level 2 destination charger stalls with generic J1772 handles. The slower stalls are free and offer only 2.9kW to keep users at the shopping mall for hours. I’d rather charge at home for $0.12/kWh.

Amazing. Bring it to the US!

This is how all chargers should be built. Excellent

The 22 kW chargers are running 100% on solar!.

2:44 - Can you please give a Link to the Video where they show the "Behind the Scence" Magic?

Maybe we should get some folks together and setup some up here in the states.

It looks great but how in the world do they make it profitable? or at least revenue neutral? I can't imagine the construction cost alone for a comparable facility.

How's that heating situation? Gonna be a cold winter.

great video

Great video Kyle! We really need charging locations like that over here in America! Please do more videos to keep the pressure on! … George (Tesla YLR22)

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

The electric grid can’t handle it. Where do you think electricity comes from??

@robert5008

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf Thin air

What are the 3 types of handles on the station you used? The brick paving might be to let the water soak into the earth rather than a huge run-off.

@Hitman006xp

Жыл бұрын

CCS, Chademo & CCS. So on each you could charge 2 CCS cars or one CCS and one Chademo car like the Nissan Leaf. But Chademo is dead ;) EU is all in with CCS.

Two weeks ago we travelled from The Netherlands to Sweden through Germany. We weren't as impressed with German chargers as you, mainly because the general coverage over the autobahns is not so good. The Netherlands doesn't have isolated, huge showpiece chargers like this, but it does have charging stations well spaced along the highways (and many not yet on Google Maps). I'm Dutch and biased of course, but that's what I found.

@bluebikerathar

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Kyle should drive 100km and count the number of locations 😉

@stefan335

Жыл бұрын

I have to agree. Biased as well - being Dutch. EV charging in NL is still far superior to Germany. Norway are Switzerland amazing too. In Switzerland, most rest stops along the main roads have EV charging (50kW+) available, and the signs along the highway let you know ahead of time that there will be EV charging options, which makes it very easy to find them.

Fun fact: The IT center to be build will consume more energy than the charge park.

If you visit the chargingpark on saturday, you will find only a few free places.

Hopefully someone in the US will see potential in this concept here too. I always had this idea but I don't have the financial potencial unless I win the lottery.

Are you planning to visit the UK

I like level 2 charging, it's cheaper and good for a little boost on the road, also I don't have DC fast charging on my Fiat. Unfortunately I see Tesla's at the level to charging near my job, 2 blocks from a supercharger station. Often they're just parking, blocking the spot.

One question to the insiders. Is there a playground? What i miss sometimes on charging stations on tour with my family is some playground for the kids while the car gets charged.

Completed in Oct 2021, right?

Fastned new? They were actually early, having been founded in 2012.

Europe and Germany specifically are far more progressive with charging networks than in the USA. Having dedicated chargers for e-trucks and Ev's with trailers is very smart and quickly becoming a necessity.

Now I wonder where the coolest island charging station in Europe is. :)

Thought you were going to say “I jumped in the pool “

Power source is solar? or solar + traditional electricity? 710 Kw peak hour solar is impressive

Commendable!

@stevenewbery5373

Жыл бұрын

Fastned and Tesla have done a fab new charging station just outside Oxford UK. 👌

I love going there on my trips through Germany!

Dude, you need to get your butt over to the UK and visit Gridserve at Braintree 👍 Loving the content, keep up the good work 😎

I'm actually surprised all Teslas are charging at the supercharger and not on Fastned. Fastned is cheaper with the right app as well as nearly all other networks too. In my area if there's Allego, Fastned or whatever next to the supercharger you have more Teslas charging at those Alpitronic HPCs than other cars.

the NED in fastned stands for nederland. so yes, its dutch

12 out of 10. Now You Know.

Every Saturday EV owners from all around Germany meet at this Seed and Greet charging location to have some of the good food there and talk about electric mobility with other people interested in the topic. Everyone is welcome there. So if you are interested in more of the details, the chances to meet people with more informations are good on Saturdays from 10 am to 1 pm. Sometimes Roland Schüren (the owner and founder of Seed and Greet) is there too.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

Without that cheap natural gas that Trump warned you about, what will you burn to keep your house warm this winter?

@felixklusener5530

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf I personally don't have a problem if Germany doesn't get enough compressed natural gas (CNG) from Russia. My heating system at home runs on either liquefied petroleum gas, which I have enough in my tank for two winters, or on firewood, which I have enough for two winters too. So as long as the problem is solved within four years, my home will be warm during the winters. My job and my relatives jobs are not affected by a gas shortage, so I don't see an impact on my income either. My only concern is that other people might not be happy with the whole situation and that this leads to unpleasant riots in the streets. On the other hand germans don't tend to have a violent mindset if they are not happy with their situation. I guess time will tell.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

@@felixklusener5530Germans don’t have a violent mindset? Have you heard of Ww1 and 2? Do they not teach that in German schools? Time will tell for sure. Congrats on your preparation. What will you do when those “new” Germans who do come from violent, warmer places have their heat shut off and come to your doorstep in a mob and demand your food or your heat?

wake up America, this is the future, and one heck of a good investment, love this video Kyle

Is that the one with the jacuzzi?

@ALRinaldi

Жыл бұрын

I guess I should have watched a few minutes into the video! 🤪

We need this in the U.S.

The 'Mennekes' cable on V2 SuC in Germany are NOT Type 2 (AC 43kW max). They use the Type 2 protocol pins and parallel the N and L1pins for DC+ and L2 and L3 pins for DC-. Same does the CCS 2 adapter. All DC and 120kW max. or 150A per pin. I think the reason for this slightly odd arrangement was that the CCS2 port would not fit in the Model S X design space under the charge flap.

@mark123655

Жыл бұрын

Correct. Wouldn't fit.. the new flap on the refresh S/X should fit CCS2. Should also note that the cable has an extra key (or bit of plastic) that will prevent it fitting in a normal Type 2 plug where the car isn't designed to accept DC.

@moestrei

Жыл бұрын

@@mark123655 Just to clarify: The cars side is a keyed socket accepting both SuC and Type 2 connectors. The German V2 SuC cable is keyed plug which doesn't mate with a standard Type 2 socket.

october 2020 is 10 months ago?!

And in the US we are installing broken chargers in the back of WalMart parking lots.

Here's one thing that's missing. If you just want to visit the restaurant and don't need to charge, where do you park? I don't see anywhere besides blocking one of the level 2's.

@Hitman006xp

Жыл бұрын

Next to the toilet (between his Taycan and toilet) there are several free slots under the Fastned Roof. I guess for 10 cars. And there's some room for parking around the battery containers too.

looks like the McDonalds here in Colorado

This huge facility is close to Kreuz Hilden ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreuz_Hilden ), or the "Hilden interchange", that routes a _lot_ of cross-Germany traffic. And yes, Fastned is Dutch.

Maybe they have level two charging For EV‘s That are not Teslas and have low charging speeds

All these unique charging locations makes me want to go on a road trip there in a Tesla!

Never have ever seen a charging station with wooden covers here😂

Just curious, would you ever consider learning a bit of German? I'm learning it at the moment and even with the little amount I have I find it really enriches the experience when in a German speaking country.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

Why bother, they will soon all be taught to speak Russian, or Arabic.

Fastned is founded in 2012. First stations in 2013. Euh new is quite relative 🤣🤣 this build is not their ’ signature’. New ones has a zigzag vorm, older have 2 arches. And most have only 4 to max 6 stalls. This location is exectional but futureproof, yes sir

When will gas station companies change to EVs or add a EV charging capability. In my neighborhood in CO, 5 new gas stations just went up!

@Krylle

Жыл бұрын

Here in Europe they already do that - and some places they even put down the fuel pumps and place a charger stall at it's place.

@buddy1155

Жыл бұрын

In the Netherlands gas stations are becoming unmanned, or are being removed. And the larger gestations all have EV charging

@WrekEE

Жыл бұрын

@@Krylle This makes too much sense for America to adopt!😂

@fanofthemick

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree. I believe there is a Wawa in Charlottesville, Va that has Tesla chargers in addition to gas. US needs legislation to require all new gas stations to include chargers and also require existing stations to replace pumps with chargers over next ten years, perhaps not starting for the next 3 years.

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

Because Germans built this with the expectation that they could keep receiving cheap a Russian natural gas. Now it’s cheaper to fill up a gas car than to charge their car. Trump warned them. They wouldn’t listen.

So much fun seeing you so close to The Netherlands! FastNed is very big in NL, because it is originated from The Netherlands as wellll

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

What will you use to heat your home this winter without cheap Russian natural gas?

@SegerGiesbers

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf we already filled our gas reserves this summer. Thanks for the heads up

@Jeroenneman

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf Remnant heat from rubbish burning. It's called city heating. No gas needed in my home :)

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeroenneman haha burning trash, that sounds good for the environment. Simultaneously your govt is forcing Farmers to have 30% less cattle. That sounds like a smart idea with a food shortage coming this fall. At what point did you realize your country was lost to the globalists to enforce the WEF talking points on your own people?

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

@@SegerGiesbers what is your opinion on enforcing WEF 30% reduction in Nitrogen. Netherlands was the 2nd most productive farmland in the world.

That’s awesome. The unfortunate thing is that in the USA the politicians are so wrapped up in the oil business, that they talk big about transition but do very little. If the USA was serious about transitioning to EV and getting away from ICE, they would provide investors and visionary funding to transform the interstate system with rest stops like these. Also, to get people to get out of their ICE car and into EV the government should provide a real incentive 10k at point of sale, and provide retroactive incentive to those who already switched. So much real potential being lost with these mindless politicians.

Your living the life Kyle

710 kW peak solar system is almost 100x bigger than my home solar panel system of 9.9kW. Mine (granted in Seattle is not the ideal solar climate but let’s use for discussion purposes) produces 8800 kWH per year so enough (@50 per charge) to charge my car 176 times. So this Charging Facility solar system will roughly produce enough for 17600 annual charges; so 48 charges per day. Since the location has 100 charging stations it could potentially charge 4800 charges per day ( 30 minutes per charge). So the point is; if the station is heavily used, the solar panels could potentially be producing enough for only 10% of the charges. The rest of the electricity must often come from hydro, Natural gas,, or here in the USA a lot is still made from coal. I love my Ioniq 5 EV and love solar energy. But they both barely pencil out for middle class people. And like recycling , solar / EV adoption is great but we should be honest about where the energy comes from, still conserve, and imho talk much more about the need to lower the earth and USA population if the planet is to be saved.

@bluebikerathar

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to my world. 😉😉. One 1MGW installation is quite a small one. Biggest i monitor is Kristal Solar Park at Lommel, Belgium. A 100, yes 💯 MW installation. 0ver 300 000 solar panels. And nearby Dessel ( known for graspop metal festival) , a 7MW floating solar park. Both are the biggest ( land and water) build by Equans , formaly known as Engie. In total i monitor around 300 installations. From 70kw upto .....100MW.

Great review Kyle, thanks! Have stopped here several times when on my Brussels-Wuppertal-Brussels day trips in my Polestar2. I've been to many European countries in the Polestar and this is by far the best station anywhere! Fully agree this how life should be for us EV'ers everywhere 😎 As another viewer mentioned as well, since you filmed they've also installed two NIO battery-swap stations. Unfortunately my car doesn't like the FastNed chargers very much (even though I have a subscription) so I now always use the Tesla chargers (which as you know is possible for non-Tesla's throughout Europe) and they always work! Best of both worlds: Polestar build quality and the Tesla charging network 🙂 Keep up the good work please!

Vertical farming is very much something that cities should be creating more of.

Germany and the USA are very different politically and on the business front. The US has significant oil and gas interests while Germany has very little to gain from oil and gas.

Impressive

I did not fully grok how behind the US is until watching this video......

Alpitronic chargers are awsome and very reliable :-)