Unpopular opinion: pirating discontinued vocaloids is okay. i’m sorry but we aren’t getting SeeU or Piko again so why not preserve them ?

@hypnosismicrophone

3 күн бұрын

REAL!!

@lenpop3158

3 күн бұрын

and don't forget Mayu as well. She been forgotten now.

@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun

3 күн бұрын

Yes !!

@kitsuneayano

3 күн бұрын

@@lenpop3158 true and mayu is such a gem of a voicebank wasn’t aware that she couldn’t be purchased anymore but like the Nintendo Eshop if they would’ve continue to sell products that we are still interested in then it’s only fair to do piracy when we can’t do it legally

@solidogahi

3 күн бұрын

This! I miss Piko (>T_T)

Kaito used to be a crackhead but now they make him so serious in head cannons-

@puppimax

3 күн бұрын

fr like they should watch the old mmd shi like kaito was BUGGIN

@aksghazi868

3 күн бұрын

I headcanon Kaito on a spectrum of seriousness. He can be goofy like when I have him beat up by Len despite being much bigger in size, while he can also be serious, like when I make him help Meiko with her drinking problems. It's sort of how I headcanon everyone.

@MsMvsc

3 күн бұрын

Who are you even talking about?

@IcyLapis

3 күн бұрын

he's still a crackhead in my eyes

@michylichy01

3 күн бұрын

Yeah, people said that in project Sekai he is just a good gold heart big bro 😊, but we know his dark past in MMD 😏😏

when ppl say other newer vocaloid fans "arent real fans" because they cant list every single vocaloid and utau ever released

@pika8652

3 күн бұрын

Yeah but who does that ?? I’ve seen more people say that meme statement than people actually asking for all the vocaloid names, and being a prsk fan doesn’t make u a vocaloid fan 😭its two different media’s

@michylichy01

3 күн бұрын

Wth? I know vocaloid since 2012 (I think) and I get surprised everytime I listen a song from that ages, like 'where have you been this hole time??!'

@user-shrek02749

3 күн бұрын

@@michylichy01 sameee xD i also started listening in 2012 and still find new songs from back then and i only know like 6 vocaloids lmao

@rosennacht7624

3 күн бұрын

I’be listened to Vocaloid since middle school and it took till college for me to know about the most extremely obscure Vocaloids. (“What do you mean there’s a sword Vocaloid?”)

@roofogato

3 күн бұрын

as someone whos only been a fan for a little over a year now i agree 😭😭 the amount of "well you're not a real fan because you haven't heard of [blank]" is EXHAUSTING

If people wanna fight over ships maybe they should just become pirates

@satanikbunny

3 күн бұрын

sadly pirates are cool and those people aren't

@user-zl3fs7ew4x

3 күн бұрын

How does that make so much sense?

@Sinx-Ce

3 күн бұрын

I hate you but I love you

@DMParody

3 күн бұрын

Join my crew

@Vileplume87

3 күн бұрын

Yeah! Free photoshop time!!!

The main thing I dislike about the fandom is newer fans calling classic Vocaloid songs “PJSK” songs. Like you will NEVER catch me calling Worlds End Dancehall or Romeo and Cinderella a “PJSK” song On that topic, you will also NEVER catch me calling Miku and the others virtual singers

@sephiroth-spank-me

3 күн бұрын

exactly bro like “World Is Mine” isn’t a PJSK song it existed like 8 years before that game

@OrigamiAhsoka

3 күн бұрын

Fr 😭 me turning into the old man emoji after someone calls aishitex3 a prsk song

@LadyDreamfyre

3 күн бұрын

What does PJSK even mean -

@ssnekky

3 күн бұрын

@@LadyDreamfyreit’s an abbreviation for the vocaloid mobile rhythm game Project Sekai

@sephiroth-spank-me

3 күн бұрын

@@LadyDreamfyreIt means “Project Sekai” which is a Sega rhythm game with vocaloids

the death of mmd vids is actually kinda upsetting

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

Talkaloids kind of replaced them

@clown-p3760

3 күн бұрын

@@MiniEmber yeah but there's always aiden striker

@haz0816

3 күн бұрын

they're not dead, you people are just obsessed with genshin and star rail fandom content made in MMD and never give other MMD videos a chance

@akunekochan

3 күн бұрын

:/ right said that also I know at least 2 channels with really good looking videos ((mmd x blender to be fair) but one of them shouldn't be uploading THATon yt)

@uncleshrek3614

2 күн бұрын

I mean, we CAN revive it tho. Ppl just gotta learn how to use mmd :)

Vocaloid fans when you say “I like the twins and Teto” and not “I like the mirror images Kagamine Rin and Kagamine Len as well as the fan favorite utauloid Kasane Teto, which is a free alternative to Vocaloid software”

@cranburrey

Күн бұрын

I remember calling Rin and Len twins and my sister tried to strangle me when she found out 💀

I h8 it when Sega, Crypton, Internet Co., SynthV, my grandma, and basically EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER will say "nothing is really 100% canon about these characters, you're able to do whatever you want with them" and people will still be like "" errm you can't do that with that vocaloid because that's not canon☝🤓""

@rosennacht7624

3 күн бұрын

Not your grandma 😂😭

@candy_ribbons

3 күн бұрын

THIS LITERALLY THIS LIKE WHY GO BACK ON SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID 😭😭😭

@ChipsBagel

2 күн бұрын

Me getting flamed for having the bicute bunnies mikus because “she’s 16”

@punipalsayshi2644

2 күн бұрын

"Kaito and Meiko may not have canon age but they're definitely adults! Especially in Project Sekai" Then they forget Leoni Sekai exist 😔 Brought it up cuz the point of Sekais is the VS can be anything to anyone 😭😭😭 yet these fans just...

@aquamarina773

2 күн бұрын

​@@punipalsayshi2644Right?! Project Sekai handled the Cryptonloids so well by giving them different personalities in the different Sekais. Kaito and Meiko can even be seen as teens in the school Sekai, yet many fans introduced to the community through the game completely ignore this

Things I dislike in the vocaloid community : 1. People that spread misinformation, especially on tik tok with the new fans 2. "(Insert popular vocaloid) is so underrated!!!!" 3. People that force headcanon 4. "Song = ✨ lyrics = 💀" mf 5. People that make such a big deal out of the smallest thing 6. People that always complain about s3xual vocaloid songs but listen to WAP daily 7. People that think listening to Kikuo and MASA is "soooo quirky" for liking "dark" songs. Like ffs they're not the only ones that make dark songs, talk about other producers please These are just my opinion

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

The people that say Kikuo or Masa is the darkest vocaloid producer are kinda funny though. Machigerita is right there along with many others

@Ichika1UP

3 күн бұрын

The songs are dark but I think there are far darker songs

@pollopolleria2194

3 күн бұрын

People that praise dark songs act like they never listened to music outside of Vocaloid.

@JackDatDoge

3 күн бұрын

@@MiniEmber MARETU, DECO*27, (sorta) any vocaloid metal producer like Utsu-P, and many more make darker songs than Masa or Kikuo

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

@@JackDatDoge Maretu and Kikuo are fairly simular on themes. Love them both but there is a lot darkee songs out there. Deco*27 is a new one. Never thought of his songs being dark

KAITO BEING 13?????? NO WAY 😭 UR KIDDING.....

@pwill29

3 күн бұрын

AINT no WAY he’s younger than Miku 💀

@nayeli876

3 күн бұрын

@@pwill29 LIT... HE IS LIKE OLDER OLDER THAN MIKU

@ralseisbiggestblunt2076

3 күн бұрын

Ain't no way that hotass dilf is younger than Len

@pwill29

3 күн бұрын

@@nayeli876what is this fandom ON 💀💀😭

@Vileplume87

3 күн бұрын

I DON'T SEE IT HE IS 20 YOUNGEST LIKE THAT MAN LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A 9-5

I hate the fact that the current fandom simply only cares about the project sekai and doesn't give ANY visibility to Vocaloids other than Cryptonloids... "Oh, but, the pwoject sekwai saves the vocawoid fando-" NO! THEY DIDN'T!

@hmmidk6153

3 күн бұрын

YES and I hate when people say that the cryptonloids are from project sekai as though they haven't existed years prior to that. I don't mind project sekai but the fanbase is kind of annoying

@avinacrusaid

3 күн бұрын

SO TRUE, like I'm glad to hear new songs coming out bc of this game(plus pj sekai encouraged me to return to vocaloid fandom), but I also hate seeing keyboard wars regarding canonicity of LITERAL SINGING ROBOTS like: "You cannot ship Mikuluka, but Miku is 16 and Luka is an adult🤓🤓🤓🤓" That's just an example tho, I'm not talking only about ships, it can also be said to ages, personalities, etc. There are other things I dislike about pjsekai fandom, but this thing pissed me out the most

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

Seen a lot that will bash non Cryptonloids and automatically say a cover is better because it doesn't use Flower, GUMI, KAFU ect

@just_a_fxking_angel

3 күн бұрын

@@avinacrusaid YEAAAAAAAAH, like why the fVck they care SO F*CKING MUCH about the ages? SHE'S A ROBOT! Obviously we don't wil ship childs and adults, like Kaii Yuki + Kiyoteru, but calm down guys, i'ts just a singer robot (sorry if have any error, i don't speak english, i'm a brazilian fan producer :D)

@just_a_fxking_angel

3 күн бұрын

@@MiniEmber Bro, they're a good voicebank, in my opinion, BETTER THEN F*CKING MIKU

Omg I hate it when people hate on Miku just bc she’s the most popular vocaloid 😭 Like I get the other vocaloid deserve attention too, but that’s no reason to be shitting on Miku 💀

@prikaPa-stery

3 күн бұрын

AGREE!!! Miku has been my favorite for nearly 3 years out of my 4 years of being a vocaloid fan because I love her voice, she's SUPER CUTE, and nothing feels just like her but it seems like if you say Miku is your favorite people will think you're a new fan or don't care about other voicebanks :(

@kitsuneayano

3 күн бұрын

She’s cute but voicebanks like mayu , or kokone , one , lily , una etc need attention too

@lilbears

3 күн бұрын

I don't really think people hate Miku I just think it's the miku stands they were pretty annoying and that hasn't changed, ngl there was a point where I didn't like Miku but it was because of the stands they were so obnoxious about her you couldn't say anything about any other vocaloid without them bringing her into it. I still see people like this in comments a lot but I feel like it's not as bad as before 🤷

@kyokosakura3192

3 күн бұрын

​@@kitsuneayanoWe know, but that doesn't mean we have to like them.

@gravelorddarkrai

3 күн бұрын

Lmao I used to hate gumi because I thought she was more popular than she should be and I liked the vocaloids who sung mostly Japanese more but now I don’t hate gumi at all I mean she isn’t my favorite (neither is miku) but idk why I hated gumi for that reason like she wasn’t even the most popular vocaloid😅

I also hate how newer fans are so shocked over taboo topics in Vocaloid songs. As long as the song isnt glorifying said topic, writing a song to express oneself is fine

@rosennacht7624

3 күн бұрын

Does this include the creepy vocaloid songs like Bacterial Contamination, etc.? I remember the creepy songs being somewhat popular at some point years ago.

@marinrinn

3 күн бұрын

also people annoyed at meme songs like kurumi ponchio??

@rasberrymilk4753

3 күн бұрын

@@marinrinn OMG REAL

@Kyokinroirid39

2 күн бұрын

@@marinrinn what is it about? Think I've never heard it before

@AllanGuiHaya70

2 күн бұрын

These people need some more Steampianist and Kikuo in their lives

It’s always the Rinku and Kameiko fans who force their own head canons on everyone

@ralseisbiggestblunt2076

3 күн бұрын

Real, I love both of these ships but as a Meiluka/Gakukai/Kiyokai enjoyer I see so many hostility from Kaimei fans when someone mentions other ships with them like damn calm down

@Sateriasis_Venomania

3 күн бұрын

@@ralseisbiggestblunt2076 kiyokai based

@kitsuneayano

3 күн бұрын

Or simple lenku , fukase x mayu , lily x any other like Luka ,gakupo or gumi ,kaito and kokone, or Miku and vy2 yuuma , honestly I ship it but more enjoy how well voices pair with each other and enjoy the song itself over shipping fictional characters of instruments together, been a fan since I was 14 in middle school world is mine and bad end night , evil chronicles and kagerou project being the first series I listened to and still love

@insertenombre8522

3 күн бұрын

And they say that “Meiko and Kaito are adults, they can’t be shiped with other vocaloids because that’s illegal” (when neither of them have a canon age) 🤨 I don’t really know why is this suddenly so important to everyone? Years before, you could ship whoever you wanted and it was good as long as you didn’t affect others, but now you can’t because you’ll get bullied (?)

@RinXLen

3 күн бұрын

@@insertenombre8522 EXACTLY

“Rinku cannon 😊” ok, I have a cannon aiming for your house.

@rasberrymilk4753

3 күн бұрын

Also meiko and kaito and middle age to me…Kaito being 13 made me chuckle

@JackDatDoge

3 күн бұрын

@@rasberrymilk4753 meiko's gotta be in her 30s

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

​@@rasberrymilk4753same unless someone drew them as a 13 year old than I wouldn't really think it's weird

@wiimusic5671

3 күн бұрын

calm down dawg

@Tami-yf6yw

2 күн бұрын

What are you so mad about😨

Something that really annoys me about the current vocaloid fandom is how much gatekeeping there is. The amount of people complaining about 'new vocaloid fans' is insane. Yeah some new fans are really annoying, but they're also just being introduced to vocaloid. Of course they'd get stuff wrong. Just correct them politely and move on

@adrianthewaffleboi._.

2 күн бұрын

NAH FR THO!!!

@beomkaslana

2 күн бұрын

THIS!!!

@goldfishyums

2 күн бұрын

THANK YOU 🎉

@Tami-yf6yw

2 күн бұрын

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

@MiniEmber

2 күн бұрын

May be guilty of this. The issue is that they don't really listen.

for me its basically the pjsk side. they harass you for liking a ship. or not liking a ship. PICK A SIDE i just wanted something that feels like project diva

@platypus3674

3 күн бұрын

fr...I'm a pjsk fan myself and I hate the toxic shippers. I just wanted a vocaloid game because my broke self couldn't afford both project diva and a console for it :')

@p5strikerss

3 күн бұрын

@@platypus3674 my boyfriend is uncomfortable with anhane because someone on twitter decided to threaten. some horrific stuff. to a literal joke with akian. they didnt even hate anhane god forbid they be silly

@Pukeprincess

3 күн бұрын

Me too. If you're gonna make a gacha game at least let the other vocaloids and maybe Utaus and utaties in

@ikerquinteroaviles2294

3 күн бұрын

​​@@Pukeprincess im sorry but this makes no sense at all like just bc Crypton was planning to make a gacha game doesnt mean they had to add Gumi and other non cryptonloids as that would force them to give credit and a part of the money they get to internet co. (Or other companies such as 1st place, etc.) And wdym "let utaites in" do u want Ado in game or sum 😭

@Pukeprincess

3 күн бұрын

@@ikerquinteroaviles2294 yes. Yes I do.

I hate it when ppl get mad over vocaloid songs having suggestive or inappropriate lyrics like dude isn't that what 80% of all music is about???? Edit: also as a pjsk fan I apologize for the pjsk side of the vocaloid fandom

@miyumiixroses

2 күн бұрын

people with rabbit hole 💀

@matrixiekitty2127

Күн бұрын

The new vocaloid fans defo have a cushier intro because when I was a baby vocaloid fan “controversial” topics in vocaloid was super common and mostly well accepted.

@cranburrey

Күн бұрын

@@miyumiixroses “MIKU IS 16!1!” Oh that’s not….

I find it so weird that preteens and teens are so anti-piracy *when it comes to big corpo things like softwares or movies*, but at the same time they just yoink any and every song, cover, fanart, etc. for their tiktok shorts, they repost animatics without credits, like, hellooooo, what you're doing is also piracy and it's even more scummy than what you stand against...

@matrixiekitty2127

Күн бұрын

THIS!! Fully this!!

@jan_Eten

Күн бұрын

i repost memes, and i dont even edit out ðe watermark bc im lazy (also ive gotten one comment about crediting ðe original artist so far)

The only think I hate about this fandom is yes the “canon” shet. Like I don’t care 😭

@hmmidk6153

3 күн бұрын

Real

@LocalTorchwoodIntern

3 күн бұрын

reall, the only canon shit in my eyes is either the backstory officially given by the company or the artist or the provider of the vocaloid or any scraps of headcannons I have and seen from other people!!

@Soobins-Dimples

3 күн бұрын

@@LocalTorchwoodIntern sorry like the None canon canon stuff if that makes sense like them being twins or they’re ages 😭

@Soobins-Dimples

3 күн бұрын

@@LocalTorchwoodIntern ye I try but like I still see them as twins cause they do look alike xD

@LocalTorchwoodIntern

3 күн бұрын

@@Soobins-Dimples YEah I getcha !! I've seen them how whatever song portrays them as cause I know that they mirror each other ! I just don't personally ship the Kagamines btf

things i hate about the vocaloid fandom: 1. everything (/lh)

@OrigamiAhsoka

3 күн бұрын

TRUE

@zemi102

3 күн бұрын

what does lh mean

@RagathasLilAngel

3 күн бұрын

Sameeeee

@dangerously9498

3 күн бұрын

@@zemi102 it indicates a light-hearted tone

@zemi102

2 күн бұрын

@@dangerously9498 tysmm

things i hate about the vocaloid fandom -pjsk players that consider the games' characters as vocaloids

@MiceWithLice

3 күн бұрын

That’s a new one.

@ami.fluffs

3 күн бұрын

@@MiceWithLice that has been around for a year or so, there are tiktoks of ppl saying that Emu Otori is their favorite vocaloid... who will tell them? T___T

@MicyPie

3 күн бұрын

This one doesn't bother me as much, since it's usually a misunderstanding (unless they INSIST that they are and don't accept people correcting them, that's gotta be annoying)

@ami.fluffs

3 күн бұрын

@@MicyPie i'm talking about those that insist, dw

@eze4731

3 күн бұрын

yes shizuku is my favourite vocaloid legit

VOCALOIDS ARE ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO BE AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP RESTRICTING OTHERS FROM HAVING FUN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

@LadyRoeanna

2 күн бұрын

SAY IT LOUDER SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼‼‼‼‼‼

@kenrichgumanid9235

Күн бұрын

Say it in loudspeaker, baby.

@cranburrey

Күн бұрын

GIVE THEM A MEGAPHONE!!

Guys Len can canonically ride a motorcycle because I saw this one video from like 3 years ago where he was saying the lines of Shadow the Hedgehog and Shadow the Hedgehog can ride a motorcycle.

I hate when people make a big deal about the lyrics of a song. This is mainly from newer fans/fans who came from project sekai. They wouldn't last 10 seconds listening to Gigantic O.T.N.

@MicyPie

3 күн бұрын

I hate when ppl complain about rabbit hole like there are so many popular western songs that are WAY worse

@chaus1ku

2 күн бұрын

​@@MicyPieLiterally

@matrixiekitty2127

Күн бұрын

Oh Jesus that song would send them into a tailspin😵‍💫

@whiteasparagus4331

Күн бұрын

@@MicyPie I honestly feel that this has to do a lot with the infantilization of Japanese people and how they’re often perceived as “cute” so when a Japanese song has super inappropriate lyrics they freak out bcuz they expect anything from Japan to be cute and kawaii n shit, it sucks

The stuff about “what’s canon” is so annoying. Most of these characters are designed to be blank slates to be used any way you want. Even things like characters’ official ages don’t necessarily need to be taken as canon, they are literally just voice synthesizers at the end of the day. I mean if you wanted you could headcanon Miku as a 40 year old man, these characters were made for you to depict them any way you want.

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

Right I personally view the vocaloid characters as ageless unless they are being depicted as a certain age like in a song or drawing

@That-rei-guy

3 күн бұрын

Theres literally NO CANON 90% of vocaloid stuff is from the fandom

@KNIGHTMARE__

3 күн бұрын

@@That-rei-guy Exactly. And any canon there is doesn’t necessarily need to be taken as canon.

@That-rei-guy

3 күн бұрын

@@KNIGHTMARE__ thank you

@That-rei-guy

3 күн бұрын

Fannon is basically cannon at this point

3:59 ill never forget trying to download ficking AMONG US CREWMATE models and the creator put a whole riddle for the password which was : "The name of the song from Ariana Grande's 6th album, i.e. Positions, where Doja Cat is featured. (No capital letters or spaces. No numbers or decimals.)" LIKE ITS SO RIDICULOUS SORRY WHAT IS THAT

@Minnemi

3 күн бұрын

thats the one lmaoooo

@hypnosismicrophone

3 күн бұрын

HELP I HAD TO FISH OUT THE ANSWER FROM FACEBOOK😭😭

@moaharbor

3 күн бұрын

fr why are people GUARDING their stuff??

@haz0816

3 күн бұрын

@@moaharbor because i didn't make the models, i just converted them to MMD from SFM you may not see the importance of passwords but people get sent death threats or get their accounts hacked for things like this

@That-rei-guy

3 күн бұрын

Bruh

2015 you looks so funny im SOBBING My personal annoyance is still when people credit the vocaloid instead of the producer 💔 it’s gotten better since it was in the 2010-2015 era but I think sekai kinda revamped it a little. It’s still not as bad as it used to be though thankfully

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

Sekai 100% revamped it. We get people that credit the in game bands instead of the producers now

@ikerquinteroaviles2294

3 күн бұрын

For me pjsk was the exact opposite bc i can now easily see the producer under the song's name so ive started to learn the producers by heart

@rosennacht7624

3 күн бұрын

Yooo! This sent me back to when people on youtube would go to the comments and pretend to be the Vocaloid singing in various videos. Their profile would have the image and name of the vocaloid being like “OMG Thank you guys! (\(^u^)/) I sang my heart out in this song!” Or something similar.

@candy_ribbons

3 күн бұрын

I don’t like how on streaming services like Spotify the in game covers are credited with the bands instead of the actual artists, maybe it’s just me but that just feels disrespectful

@zim_yi

2 күн бұрын

​@@candy_ribbonsright they're not even crediting the seiyuus 😔

Teto is a chimera and for a chimera 30 is the equivalent of being 15 in human years

@Beeeeeewwwww

3 күн бұрын

Is teto even a vocaloid? Like she's SynthV but does that make her a vocaloid or no?.

@PlatonicDIVA

3 күн бұрын

​@@BeeeeeewwwwwNo

@MsMvsc

3 күн бұрын

​@@Beeeeeewwwww She has literally never been a vocaloid. That's kinda the point.

@personita2.733

3 күн бұрын

@@Beeeeeewwwww Vocaloid isn't a category or anything it's an specific Vocal Synthesis program, there has never and probably will never be an oficial Teto voice bank made for Vocaloid the same way there are no oficial miku Utau or SynthV voice banks, Thus Teto is not a vocaloid and miku is not an utauloid. Vocaloid just happens to be (or used to be) the biggest Vocal synthesis Software with it's only posible rival (like 15 years ago) being the clunky Utau (The program Teto debuted in) so the entire fandom gets called "The Vocaloid Fandom" and everyone of these Characters get called "vocaloids" coloquially as a whole even if they aren't actually vocaloids which is now increasibly common with the rise of SynthV (Which also counts with it's own -now paid for- Teto bank), CeVio and other alternatives to vocaloid that surpass it in every way because Vocaloid 6 is still trying to catch up to them and Kind Of Failing Tbh. Some times terms like "Utauloids" are used in clarification to dishtinguish (in this case) mascots made for Utau voice banks from those made for other programs but most everyone gets around with Vocaloid and if you are really really confused about this colloquial use you can always use Vocal Synthesizers although that's more the voicebanks and the program than their mascot

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

@@Beeeeeewwwww She was made originally as a joke to fool people into thinking she's the next vocaloid product. Teto is a vipperloid that later got a UTAU vb and recently got a Synth V vb

I don't like it when people say "Cryptonloids aren't Vocaloids anymore because they've been updated to Piapro." Their Vocaloid banks aren't discontinued and I could buy one officially if I wanted to, so they're both Vocaloids AND Piapro. It's almost like saying Yamine Renri isn't an UTAU anymore because she was updated to SynthV, and I'm not aware whether her UTAU has been updated recently but I'm certain it's still available for download as of June 2024

As a project sekai player (hell just look at my PFP), project sekai players annoy the hell out of me. Like please, not everything is problematic. RABBIT HOLE IS NOT A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, it’s a bop.

@happiness_showch

3 күн бұрын

I saw prsk players hating on a childhood friends ship calling it problematic nahhh that's one of the most wholesome tropes ever 😭

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

The rabbit hole upload is just full of pjs and tiktok users. It's kind of insane.

@ness7349

3 күн бұрын

I hate how they made a whole oc for Rabbit Hole because they thought Miku was underage

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

Im not a project sekai fan but I agree I personally don't like the rabbit hole animation that was trending because it was inappropriate but I don't think it's problematic it's just something I don't like

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

​@@happiness_showchWHAT?? how is that problematic I love that ship??

The "no old people" and "MMD passwords" parts are so true! Some things I hate about the current vocal synth fandom: 1. Elitism about AI. A lot of AI fans complain about standard fans being elitist over the old robot sound being better than the realistic sound of contemporary AI vocal synths, but I would argue that the AI fans who act elitist over the realistic sound being better than the robot sound are even worse. These people insist that basically every Vocaloid should have a SynthV version. 2. No respect to Utau voicebank devs. We put so much work into voicebanks and it all gets overlooked except by other Utau voicebank devs because it's just lowly Utau.

@Sorana914

3 күн бұрын

What about diffsinger?

@pearlstarlight5

3 күн бұрын

@@Sorana914 On one hand, I would say it's dethroning VCV as the new "gold standard" of indie voicebank development. On the other hand, it means that you no longer have to be a professional or popular to make an AI vocal synth, and I would say this outweighs the negative.

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

I love vocaloid and their robotic voices I personally prefer it over synth v tbh it saddens me to see people using synth v teto more than utau teto but whatever we have our own opinions

@Sorana914

3 күн бұрын

@@kiki-2009- where are you getting that information utau teto original songs have doubled

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

@@Sorana914 wait really?? The only songs I get recommended are synth v teto original songs sorry for being wrong

Things i hate in the vocaloid fandom: tourists Headcanons: 👍👍 Fighting about which hc is more valid: 👎👎👎👎👎

@ArteArt39

3 күн бұрын

"tourists"?? Yeah this is such an elite club we've got going on here, god forbid someone engage with it casually 💀

@happiness_showch

3 күн бұрын

@@ArteArt39 hmm? I'm not sure you understand what it means. Tourists are thought of badly, you know, littering and not following the rules when they're in a new place, complaining about a culture different to theirs. Same with communities where bad people will come in with no genuine sense of wanting to enjoy anything and try to stir up trouble.

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

I became a fan only 4 years ago and I'm really obsessed with vocaloid am I a normie/tourist for not being into it for a long time

@happiness_showch

3 күн бұрын

@@kiki-2009- Tourism has a negative connotation because often visitors will ruin different popular areas and don't actually care about the place they're at, just the feeling of being somewhere famous. Genuinely enjoying something and interacting with the community is not being a tourist, it's awesome when people discover any kind of medium and fall in love!!! When I say tourists in the vocaloid fandom, I mean those who have just discovered it and yet they're trying to tell others what they can and can't do, falsely correcting others, and simply showing no actual interest in vocaloid other than stirring up stuff. If you genuinely enjoy the music, synthesizers, and whatever then no, you're not!! I'm using tourist with the common negative sense of the word, not those new to a fandom ^^

@ArteArt39

3 күн бұрын

@@happiness_showch ok i guess i just didn't know that term in relation to fandom sry. I think the fact that you put it next to "normies" threw me off, sets off online brainrot alarms

As a person who doesn't give a fuck about ships, I'm just watching all like : 🍿🍿🍿

@Kyokinroirid39

3 күн бұрын

FOR REAL like I'm watching y'all fight over Rinku and Lenku with the soda and popcorn in hands

@YE4rt

2 күн бұрын

I find it pretty hard to ship Vocaloids since they basically have zero personality unless you give them one lol. I don’t care about the ships either and I was surprised to find out they are a pretty big part of the fandom.

@kizuzuzu

2 күн бұрын

Me too, I'll just watch if the lil kids fighting over if rinku or lenku is better, rin and len is mirror they are the same person 😢

something i hate about vocaloid fandom is actually not really the fandom its the fucking program like WHY VOCALOID 5 & 6 ARE SO TRASH 😭😭😭😭😭😭

@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun

3 күн бұрын

YEAH V5 CRASHES MY PC LIKE MY ENTIRE PC SO OFTEN LIKE WHAT THE HELL SOMETIMES ALL I DO IS L O O K AT IT AND IT D I E S

@Sateriasis_Venomania

3 күн бұрын

vocaloid 6 has cool voicebanks i wish I could use them in v4

@ikerquinteroaviles2294

3 күн бұрын

Fr and the AI voicebanks can sound questionable at times like the fairly new vocaloid from internet co. Hibiki Koto literally sounds like she cant reach some high notes IN HER OWN DEMO like what 😭

@amikai_P

3 күн бұрын

v6 and v5 editors are trash but the banks...oh the banks..oh how i wish i could get those in v4

@akunekochan

3 күн бұрын

RIGHT???? AND SO MUCH LESS OPTIONS!! WHY IT MAKE THEY SOUND LIKE THAT?? HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO MAKE MY GAKUPO SING ENGRISH NOW??

Totally see the fun haters everywhere. Especially with ships. For example, if you say you like mikuluka a wave of those just come and comment “nooooo miku and luka have canon age!7!&9&! You can’t s-ship them!” No they are instruments who are ment to be anything you want (and both have voice providers who are ADULT women. ) imagine how many songs wouldn’t exist if a lot of vocaloids had a canon age. And MikuLuka makes me happy and smile since I was 12.

@maphen

2 күн бұрын

they are instruments but they also have canon mascot ages so like idk 😭

Why does everyone still fight about whether teto's utau or synthV is better? They were built to work together and sound phenomenal when hamonized correctly.

@Lady_ETHNE

3 күн бұрын

EXACTLY! I prefer her SynthV for personal reasons, but her UTAU vb is freaking amazing too!

@MicyPie

3 күн бұрын

I love both voice banks! I love anything Teto! I also love it when people do crazy things like making SV Teto sound like UTAU Teto and vice versa, it's so cool!

@allhana365

3 күн бұрын

Oh I LOVE it when someone tunes them to harmonize together! I just love Teto’s voice. Do you have any specific Teto duo recommendations? I’ve been having a hard time finding some lately.

@MicyPie

3 күн бұрын

@@allhana365 There's a cover of Kanaria's Requiem and it uses both Tetos

@homer_sexual

2 күн бұрын

This. Also, "the commercial bank that costs actual money should sound the exact same as the free one" is kind of a weird take anyway lol. Why would people buy her then

On the Fukase age headcanons thing I kind of get why people put him younger sometimes -- one thing to note is the ship Oliver × Fukase is VEEEERY popular so people like to put Fuka in Oliver's age range for ship reasons. It also doesn’t help that Fukase has _chronic babyface,_ of which has been intensifying as of late: for whatever reason, Mikuma//3kMA (Fuka's official illustrator) has been drawing him a bit younger looking in their more recent arts. I personally headcanon Fukase to be 17, but just god awful levels of short. He has never seen the top shelf in his entire life and that will likely never change.

@clown-p3760

3 күн бұрын

fuka being super short is SO real tho like look at this man and tell me he's not tiny also the hcing fukase to be around oliver's age for ship reasons is kinda calling me out- but i could easily see him as any age tbh, i sometimes like to think of him as a really unhinged like 40 year old man and it still fits lmfao

@staeriix

2 күн бұрын

real I always thought of him being 14..

@genxtq.

2 күн бұрын

ive always felt that people just made fukase on the younger side just to ship him with oliver, which there isnt rlly anything wrong with that lol, but for me at least i say hes about in his early 20s. but 10 years old is a bit unreal to me at least

@staeriix

2 күн бұрын

@@genxtq. I’d say it’s also because of the baby face.. but some ages are kind of unrealistic.

@genxtq.

2 күн бұрын

@@staeriix yeah he does have a big baby face LMAO, but then sometimes the ages just make no sense. i saw someone say that they saw someone say they thought kaito was 13 lol

The piracy one is so real. The site I used to pirate vocaloids got taken down 😔

@JackDatDoge

3 күн бұрын

if buying isnt owning piracy isnt stealing

I hate the inforced headcanons its ridiculous like they are free use characters ON PURPOSE!

People say that gakupo and gumi are siblings ???

@aquamarina773

2 күн бұрын

Probably because of the song "Animo", where they call each other brother and sister. That song is a bit weird though, since Gakupo is creeping on Gumi and Gumi seems to be in love with him?

more related to evillious but those ppl who say sati is gakupo and refuse to use his name and just call him gakupo (or riliane - rin, allen/alexiel - len, banica - meiko, gallerian - kaito, nemesis - gumi, kayo - luka, margarita - miku etc.). thats like if you said jason dean is christian slater. i mean you're right but it's a character being played by an actor.

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

Honestly it's mainly from the pjsk collab. They don't realise that Miku, Rin, Kaito and Meiko are used for multiple characters.

there are alot of ppl in the vocaloid fandom ACTIVELY who are over 20!! hell, you'll find me in the nursing home vibing to my vocaloid playlist. i love the old classic songs just as much as the new ones I'm never getting out of this 'phase' HAH

@rosennacht7624

3 күн бұрын

Me being 22 jamming to Ten-Faced Gumi at the nursing home bingo 💃💃🪩💃💃

@matrixiekitty2127

Күн бұрын

Same here! I’ve been a fan for a decade now! I started as a kid and now as an adult I still love vocaloid, it’s a love I don’t think will ever go away!

@whiteasparagus4331

Күн бұрын

Hell, most vocaloid producers are grown ass men over the age of 30 LMAOOO

@rosennacht7624

Күн бұрын

@@whiteasparagus4331 I was just thinking this lmao Most of these producers are 21+ lmao

My favorite thing about Vocaloid is that they're a blank slate. I used to write fan fiction all the time when I was younger , and if I were to post now, people would be upset by the things I made Miku say. I also hate the Project Sekai and Vocaloid debates I see on Pinterest.

Ran into someone a few days ago that didn't want people to ship Miku and Teto because Teto is 31. I explained the age joke to them but it was still funny seeing such a comment. Also the thing I hate the most is people not crediting producers but crediting the software or in pjs case, the in game band. Then they get mad when people ask them to credit producers.

nothing saddens me more than the fact that funny MMD videos are dead ;-;

@uncleshrek3614

3 күн бұрын

Nah, they're not dead tho...most of the modern stuff now are animated talkloids (and animated touhou parodies) but there're still some funny ones out too.

I hate when people think that pjdv good and pjsk bad or pjsk good and pjdv bad, like COME ON!!! Project Sekai did NOT ruin Vocaloid. In fact, it is getting you into Vocaloid because the humans in the game are your biggest attractions, which made you discover the Cryptonloids (which are supposed to the the main attractions in the game), Gumi, Flower, etc. Project Diva is the same thing, but no humans and just the Cryptonloids, and it is an extra topping to your Vocaloid loving pie that you're baking.

What I hate: -When hardcore Miku X KAITO fans sent hate to MEIKO on any of her songs just because people started pairing MEIKO with KAITO. This was a long time ago but it still hurts. Also those stupid puzzles just to download a Model. MY HEAD

1:12 fnf community calling miku and bf siblings moment 💀

@chaus1ku

2 күн бұрын

So real. I like 2 think that in the FNF universe, Miku is Boyfriend's cousin, but in the Vocaloid universe, Miku lacks siblings.

@beesane7094

Күн бұрын

it's canon in the fnf universe BUT not in vocaloid.

@Purgatory_Pal

Күн бұрын

It’s canon in the fnf universe

vocaloid has two sides the good and nice side and the questionable side

THANK YOU! 90% of the people who act grossed out by Rin and Len being shipped already know and already know and have been told that they're not siblings a thousand times. We all know, you don't need to remind us. At this point you're the one who should realize that it still grosses us out due to how their designs look.

@aksghazi868

3 күн бұрын

So, the edit button on my device isn't working, so I'll reply to myself to say this. But I just got to that part, and as someone who headcanons Gumi as 15, I feel targeted.

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

Valid. As long as you don't bash people for shipping them.

@Kyokinroirid39

3 күн бұрын

​@@aksghazi868 it's okay, really. It just can be weird to some people because of their designs, like how I think Kaito "being" 13 doesn't make sense because he looks like he's in his 20s or something. But people have different points of view and headcanons are still headcanons, y'know

@nauseatingmilk2704

2 күн бұрын

Bro the amount of times I've seen rin/len shippers actually bash others for daring to ship rin or len with someone else has been higher than people saying it's incestuous, tbh. It probably comes from that frustration that makes ppl say it's yuck.

@pepe5364

2 күн бұрын

@@Kyokinroirid39 to be fair u can headcanon kaito as a 13 yr old and change his design since well, hes just a voicebank and u can make his voice higher and his design is only canon in diva, so idk cause ive listened to katio x len songs portraying them both the same age and its totally fine just like in rabbithole or sweet devil miku is older so yh

Most newer fans are from pjsk so i basically hate everything about the fandoms

One thing about Vocaloid fandom I wish is more common is that fans give credit to the producers of music, not just the voices . The producer worked hard to create the song, do not just say it was made by Miku, someone created it !

@MiniEmber

3 күн бұрын

Congrats on beating me to it but it's funny that our comments are by each other

@sparrowhawkstation

3 күн бұрын

Regardless of who comment is first, it is happy to see more Producer appreciators 🦐🤝🦐

@pascal1964

3 күн бұрын

This was literally me when the band Set It Off had “Feat. Hatsune Miku” In one of their song titles and never credited Vocacircus ⚰️

@MiniEmber

2 күн бұрын

@@pascal1964 The streaming services have credits but the yt upload does not unfortuantly

as a fellow old person I couldnt agree more

Also the little note about how in the vocaloid fandom it seems ‘fun is slowly getting banned’ I feel like that’s recently been a problem for a lot of fandoms unfortunately. It’s been recently feeling like if you accidentally take the wrong step everybody is going to be at your throat in certain fandom spaces more than others, whether it’s because you shipped the wrong ship or you liked the wrong characters, etc. But maybe that’s just me lol

I am also a senior citizen in the Vocaloid community (22) and have been a huge fan for YEARS - the fun really has all died down sadly and its sad to see everything be called PJSK now

the password things is the worst, like i know you want us to read your rules but noo like one time it was the year of birth of the charachter + the number of the video on nico + what is their favorite food + the name of their mother like huh?

People who for some reason keep clinging to the idea of Vocaloid being "dead" They've been saying it since like what? 2016? and they STILL say it now. Vocaloid hasn't gone and won't go anywhere.

the thing i hate the most probably is fans who don't understand how little the 'canon information' matters. When people get upset over miku being shipped with luka or being sexualized in a song because 'she's sixteen!!' -no, she's not. she can be literally anything. hatsune miku is a voice with a face. she can be a child, she can be an adult, she can be elderly, she can be a woman, a man, non-gendered, she can be an animal, she can be the writer of harry potter if you want her to. people tend to not really realize that some people don't really care about the canon ages all that much. as long as you're not shipping kaai yuki with kiyoteru everything's fine by me.

@MicyPie

3 күн бұрын

She can be toilet paper, she can be a car, she can be a spider… Also Yuki×Kiyoteru mention gave me war flashbacks

@rosennacht7624

3 күн бұрын

J.K. who? Everyone knows that Hatsune Miku wrote the Harry Potter books. She’s also the founder of Domino’s Pizza.

@MicyPie

3 күн бұрын

@@rosennacht7624 and creator of Minecraft

@marinrinn

3 күн бұрын

once i was in a full on discussion about this and this girl legit said miku was forever 16 or wtv the hell that means, when songs like hitorinbo envy (she's a doll) or karakuri burst (she's a fkin scientist that brainwashes women into weapons) exist. like a 16yr old is a nazi leader? fr?

@eeeEEEeeeEEEEEE-eeeeeee

2 күн бұрын

ik she can be jk rowling bt please dont make her jk rowling

Why does most people have to ship every vocaloid, I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say “Miku is a strong independent woman and doesn’t need anyone” lol

I’m gonna list some things I hate too 1. Some pjsekai fans tend to spread a lot of misinformation and not even try to inform themselves, like claiming Miku is from the game and that songs like Remote control is from the game. 2. THE WHOLE RABBIT HOLE SITUATION. NEED I SAY MORE?? 3. Not 100% sure if this has happened but I’ve heard it mentioned, new fans sending death threats to creators for making dark songs. 4. How hateful the fandom has become, maybe I was just too young to notice before but I feel like ever since late 2020-now everyone has become so toxic. It’s like all the bad things we heard about for example the genshin and dmsp fandom is getting fkn bluetoothed over to us. 5. The ship culture, people will kill you for liking “the wrong one” and use the p*do card on anything related to Miku cause “she’s 16”. 6. The slow disappearance of the crazy Len stans, watching their madness was fkn hilarious. I mean it’s probably a good thing but people are getting serious now and I never see the absolute abominations people created before. 7. THE WAY PJSEKAI ABSOLUTELY BUTCHERED EVERY VOICEBANK IN THEIR COVERS I HATE IT SO MUCH I QUIT THE GAME. IT GIVES PEOPLE HORRIBLE IMPRESSIONS OF THEM. 8. The fkn elitism seen in pjsk with the people playing the Japanese version acting like they rule the world, being super rude and gatekeeping towards other players. 9. People going crazy about songs with sensitive topics like it doesn’t exist in every other genre and it’s not the creators responsibility to please you. Thanks for listening to my rant💀

The thing I hate about the fandom 1) Yes FUKASE'S ONE IS SO TRUE 2) "Oh my god is that Kagamine Len from Project Sekai?"

talking about ppl forcing things to be canon, in my headcanons at least, ive always headcanoned fukase to be pretty serious, and not a huge goof ball. (im pretty aganist the idea of the “meme” squad lol) But i remember I would get literally murdered online bc i didn’t believe in the meme squad. I mean its vocaloid and headcanons, it never was that deep LMFAO 😭😭😭

@staeriix

2 күн бұрын

oo same. tbh for a lot of vocaloid I don’t see them having one personality for me but fukase doesn’t scream silly to me. I was always too scared to say it too 😞😞……

@genxtq.

2 күн бұрын

@@staeriix REALL BRO. his design is so deformed too, i mean why would someone who looks scary af, deformed and like he just got burnt be so silly…? i mean its a headcanon rlly but it never made sense to me

This isn’t vocaloid specific since its a problem in every fandom thats even remotely anime adjacent, but I really hate how normalized lolicon and shotacon is. I see it in the Japanese and English fandoms alike. Mentioned it once on Twitter and multiple producers blocked me, I kid you not

3:55 I know that in some cases (usually nnd downloads) the riddles are kinda designed to keep non japanese-speakers from downloading since we have a reputation for breaking model/motion rules and not crediting properly

i dont ship any vocaloids because the only canon ship is kaito x me ❤ (so real)

for me it's the oversexualizaion of all characters, like, I'm not going to stop people from doing it because that's not my job but I wish platforms could give us better options to filter such content out, because I don't want to see KZread recommending me a p*rn song of Kaai yuki or any other Vocaloid (Its an unpopular opinion but I prefer my feed page to be friendly)

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

Someone making a song about that using kaai Yuki is a bit weird since kaai Yukis voice provider is a kid also i agree i personally dont wanna be recommended that stuff too

@okimimitsuko2735

3 күн бұрын

Yeah... it's gross..

@marinrinn

3 күн бұрын

i mean, i think vocaloid has a very broad audience and there's songs for everyone if u don't like the sexualization of characters (every single one of them has a song where they're sexualized, it's completely understandable.). what's annoying is people being like "UM BUT MIKU IS 16 UR A PEDO" i'm sorry what? as long as it isn't kaai yuki bc she's literally in kindergarten clothes and a kid did her voice, it's just a voice bro

@marinrinn

3 күн бұрын

also people shipping kiyoteru and kaai yuki bc he's her teacher??? what the actual fuck

@kiki-2009-

3 күн бұрын

@@marinrinn right or Oliver because his voice provider was around 12 just as long as the characters voice provider isn't a kid/teen idc

I hate it when someone makes a headcanon that goes against fanon and people in the comments will say “that’s not true, actually…”

@chaus1ku

2 күн бұрын

Fr

Things I hate, you ask? How Mayu was going to get a scale figure but it was cancelled. I weep everyday thinking about how I will never have my perfect little bby girl sitting on my shelf watching me sleep. Mayu deserves better.

@Purgatory_Pal

Күн бұрын

WHAT? There was going to be a Mayu figure??

@maskedfoxx7173

Күн бұрын

@@Purgatory_Pal Yeah, I think it was supposed to come out in 2015 but for unknown reasons it was cancelled. RIP Mayu figure, I would have treated you so well 💔

Kaito being 13???? WTF 😭 this is a grown man 😭

@lowenmoonlight382

2 күн бұрын

I am still confused... WHO SAID THAT KAITO WAS SO SMOLL??? 😢😢 What the... Help! 😅 Please... I wanna go back when he was 20 yo or smth!

@strawberrijay

Күн бұрын

he's 18 at the YOUNGEST imo

I miss the MMD era, that was a big part of how i know internet 😢

Being an older Vocaloid fan as well (it hits harder in the idol community), I do agree that funny Vocaloid is dead and replaced with deranged and/or depressed Vocaloid. You like a song that’s super cute and wholesome? Not a lot of fans. A song that’s about death and partying? Already on the list to be put into ProSekai and used as a dance meme on Tiktok.

100% my biggest pet peeve is age discourse. Any vocaloid can be any age, i really dont care unless the actual irl voice provider is a child.

@gryficowa

3 күн бұрын

I don't care because it's awkward to create a song from a child's voicebank that has adult content, but it's OK with others

@pigeontoes5421

2 күн бұрын

@@gryficowa yes, thats what i said, that'd be very weird.

Watching ship wars from afar knowing I don't ship literally any characters 🧍🏻‍♀️

was on the vocaloid fandom for almost a decade, but vocaloid is heavily outdated, synthV/cevio is eating them alive...

@Lamemummy59

3 күн бұрын

Fr! The first time I heard Frimomen from SynthV I legit thought it was a person singing.

@lilbears

3 күн бұрын

Lmao this is true

@T3runii

2 күн бұрын

I think its mainlyfrom policy’s Yamaha set up and the 3rd party who makes the voice-banks leaving to the other stuff or making their own so they don’t have to deal with yamahas bs

For me, I just got soo sick and tired of everything becoming some sort of drama within the fandom, especially on Twitter. It felt like highschool, and maybe it's me being in my late 20s, but I don't have the patience of care to read a Twitlonger about how this person is a horrible person, or how this song back from 2008 advocates for child abuse because of the themes it talks about. On top of developing a waning interest in voice synth stuff in general in favor of getting back into cars, it got to the point that around 2021/22 or something, I distanced myself away from the fandom. I still have my favourite singers and songs, and I look back fondly on many aspects when part of the fandom for around 10+ years, especially the friends I made. But yeah, there's too many aspects i'd rather not be a part of.

I just hate the people that fight about ships and most of all the Miku fans 😭 like when i mean by that is when they dont even know the others or they say eh the others suck either way or they say this is miku song but its actually Lukas or so

@lilbears

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No why is this so real 😭

@allhana365

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Oh the ship fights, the worst part of every fandom I’ve ever been in 😭 And not all Miku fans are like that… I’m familiar with a good number of Vocaloids and I don’t think the others suck, Miku is just my favorite because I love her voice. Although if you’re going more general voice synths then Teto is actually my favorite.

*Things I hate in the Vocaloid fandom:* - The puritans who think Rabbit Hole is the worst thing that's ever existed. - The FNF fans, I just stay away from them. - People who force their headcanons onto others (especially gender and pronouns) - "Those" Project Sekai fans. - The new fans vs old fans war (let's all live in harmony, please). - People who take characters too seriously: I saw people sending means threats and accusing someone of p-dophilia just for simping over Ruko, a 6 foot tall character who wears a visible thong, has a gambling addiction and drinks coffee who happens to be "12 years old". The creator themself confirmed that the age is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously, but those people's excuses? "I was tall as a 12 year old, plus there are 12 year olds who gamble and wear such clothes". Seriously, don't bring real life laws into stuff like these, you won't get arrested over it. Plus you're just making yourself appear delusional (unless the characters are voiced by children like Kaai Yuki, this may be reportable but still, it's better to block than harass otherwise you're just stooping to their level). - Ship wars and discourse. The Kagamine ship won't burn your house, and so does the Miku x Kaito ship so calm down and be civil to others. I myself feel uncomfortable around some content that I dislike, but what do I do? Scroll away, mute the ship name or block the account related to the content. Also harassment is a big no, you're just poisoning the fandom (and see the above). - People who always bring drama in the fandom. - Crappy MMD model rules (a Luka model had a rule that prohibits shipping her with men because she's only made for lesbian ships) - There's something that happened that annoyed me: so Masa works design has an old song that's lost media "Interface", when I found a video titled something like "Interface another footage found", I clicked on it, but it was some crappy meme, turns out it was only to clickbait the Masa fans because of the controversy surrounding Masa *(separate the creation from the creator or don't upload at all, jeez.)* Anyways, sorry if I sound too pessimistic. I just chill with the fandom and block toxic people. *A little advice:* if you want to engage safely with the fandom, avoid TikTok at all costs.

I'm a Vocaloid fan since 2007 to the point of having a small stand with Miku figures, ZhouSensor DIVA pro controller for Project DIVA, and a physical music collection. Never interacted with the fanbase. Never even heard about those shippings and relatives stuff before this video. Shout out to us gramps over 30 years old.

ı HATE HATE H A T E ppl that force their headcanon of rin and len being twins down ur throat like its spesifically said that they are mirrored images of eachother if ppl wanna ship them its fine like u wont die i dont even ship them but my god we used to have freedom in this community

These newer fans are really annoying when it comes to songs featuring adult conent, they're literally acting like it's the end of the world because a silly vocal synth is talking about how big their slong is Or they cry about 1 song and denounce it, then praise another song with the exact same meaning (Rabbit Hole and Vampire)

I'm an older Vocaloid fan who entered the fandom around 2009/2010, but I've started calling most characters "Voice Synths", "Virtual Idols" or "Virtual Singers". There's so many new synths these days, and many characters are switching programs, so I thought that would be easier. But when I called Miku a Virtual Singer an older fan started bashing me, saying I sounded like an "uneducated Sekai fan". If you wanna continue calling them Vocaloids that's fine, but why do people gotta be so triggered when you're just using another correct term? Even Crypton calls them Virtual Singers now.

I remember when KaiMiku and Negitoro shippers used to fight with each other. Now you can't ship Miku with anyone other than Rin (or Len) because of the age differences (even though those same vocaloids have extremely sexual songs and their ages change depending on how you look at them). People these days wouldn't survive Spice or Plus Boy. Let people be happy, they're just voicebanks 😭

The KAITO being 13 headcannon is WILD lol i guess freedom for interpretation but jesus that man looks at least in his late 20s early 30s. Still love him to pieces

This video was so needed omg the voca community has been pissing me off TO NO END these past couple of years.

I've always liked len x miku len has just always been my favorite, but shit aint real . Just like the rest of these guys, you can make up pretty much whatever you want

I kinda wished pjsk implemented the old fandom's vocaloid headcanon over the new pjsk ones. Like it doesn't even have to be kaito always being a crackhead or something. He can still be this prince charming while still being a crackhead. This goes with len and rin with their odd association with road rollers and much more. I can understand how some of them are way too inappropriate to be added though a small hint in the dialouge or easter egg would have been nice.

Hi. Japanese here. I apologize if the translator misreads my words. Is it just me who gets a bit annoyed when I see others say, "Oh, I made Miku sing this song with AI, that is basically what Vocaloid is." I think AI has ruined a lot of people's opinions on Vocaloid and UTAU and whatnot. Honestly, it is so hard to make a Vocaloid or UTAU song, so I just carefully explain to those people. I apologize for the intrusion. Great video!

i don’t want to sound like an old vocaloid supremacist or act all high and mighty for being an old vocaloid fan BUT ITS NOT EASY

Just don't interact with the fandom and all the problems are solved.

I'm surprised about the "old" vocaloid subject. I thought Luka, Kaito, and Meiko are in their 20s, especially Meiko since she was paired with alcohol and she and Kaito were made at the same time. Kiyoteru is a teacher so he would not be in his teens. Theres also Big Al and Sweet Ann, and of course our beloved chimera ✨TETO✨. I would love to see 30+ year old vocaloids, but I'm glad we still have our popular OGs 😊

I miss those MMD shitposts sooo much 😫 they were so funny but no one makes them anymore and that’s truly a tragedy

I feel like we also get a lot of people taking the "canon" too seriously too. Like ok Miku's mascot is 16. That doesn't mean she is 16 in every. single. song. These are voice banks so they're basically like barbies you can play with and make up stories with. Of course she won't be 16 in every song that uses her voicebank. There's also so many different kinds of Vocaloid fans and we need to stop pretending that you need to know EVERYTHING in order to be a "real fan". I personally couldn't give less of a shit about Utauloids but I've still been in this fandom space since 2012. Just because I don't know anything about Utau doesn't mean I'm a fake fan, it means I have preferences!

“I know they’re not siblings, but I’m not gonna type out a whole huge explanation every time” Vocaloid fans: “…..it’s really cute how you think you have a fucking choice 🔪😊”

project sekai is both a blessing and a curse for the community. Blessing because it made Vocaloid more popular because it's easily accesible, but also a curse because a lot of minors are in the fandom now. most points mentioned in the video and in the comments are basically saying that the minors are the problem and the veterans correcting them starts to feel repetitive minors are incredibly sensitive and naive. They are the ones that are mad about songs like rabbit hole, force everyone their headcanons, and many of the ifuudoudou spammers are minors too. It makes sense why they are this way because they are minors. That's just how they are, but the problem is is that the community is not for minors, particulary under the age of 16, at all. There are way too many fucked up songs, mmds etc. in this community. The other community that I know where you can easily find wholesome and then some extreme fucked up shit within one click is 4chan, and you wouldn't want a kid to be on 4chan right? And censoring all of the Vocaloid songs isn't good because Vocaloid is an art form. this community is just not for kids. Absolutely not. And we can't do much about them and their parents don't give jackshit about their kids listening to songs sung by programs.

Honestly, the points given are so valid and why I only try to stick to vocaloids with smaller fandoms or at least arent that toxic or weird. I've been in the fandom on and off for almost 10 years and my thoughts have changed cause I grew up. IDC bout Sekai, play Mirai and the Diva games, and let me sit in my hole with Dex, Piko, VY2, and Yohioloid.

@dymaxion3988

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Defoko is my favourite, for these reasons: - Uncompromising vocal identity - FOSS is great - Vanilla is not the same as an absence of flavour - She’s forgotten and alone (like me)

I hate people forcing their PJSK or Vocaloid ships as well, it’s so annoying, I wanna ship what I wanna ship. (Yeah, I’m calling you out, RuiKasa and AkiToya shippers.)

About the whole notion of the ‘fun’ era of the Vocaloid fandom ending… I think this is kind of in alignment of how the content of Vocaloid changed over time. Looking back at when Vocaloid began, there were songs that were written more as a story or as a funny gag, but nowadays you don’t see as much of them. Conversely, we got more emotional and relatable songs coming from producers, which paint the characters in a more serious than funny light. The chain effect is that because we as a fandom love those songs, it changes our perception of the characters, so seeing them as funny goofy characters doesn’t come naturally, especially for the newer fans. (Best case example is me; I came into the fandom in 2020 and never understood the comedic appeal of older MMD videos, which would make sense since I didn’t grow up with them)

I’m gonna add in people calling Neru “the yellow one who isn’t in mesmerizer”

i really really hate it when the vocaloid fandom blame PJSK for a ton of bs ive been here since F2nd and while the PJSK fandom is crazy as hell i keep seeing people say “oh PJSK is ruining vocaloid” Like… what???? the only valid complaints i see about the pjsk fandom is them not crediting the artists of the songs, its annoying as heck but its nothing to exaggerate. another things is comparing pjsk and pjdv how the HELL are you gonna do this, LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN!!!!!! anyways fly high project diva you will be missed and please, people should try correcting the younger fans than making a big fuss about it… maybe thats also a reason why people dont wanna be in the fandom.