I’ve now used my Cleveland chipper for Four rounds and can honestly say this has been the most impactful club I’ve ever gamed. Use a putting stroke and it’s hard to hit a bad shot with it.

I have all 3 of the Cleveland Smart Sole wedges. I LOVE the C-wedge (chipper) , i use the G wedge (gap) on approach shots and the S-wedge (sand) only out of bunkers. You should do a comparison between the Cleveland C-Wedge chipper and the Ping chipper. They have different lofts. I would to see your opinion Andy. Thanks for the great videos. I watch them all !

One thing I like about the Cleveland chipper is that it has a little more loft than the Ping Chipper. I think 42 degs for the Cleveland versus 38 or 39 for the ping. Not a huge difference but mine seems to pop the ball up nicely like a wedge would and not as “bump and run”

@Alan_Edwards

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I also tried a Tour Edge chipper since it was half the price and it was more like a putter with an angled face. The sole on the Cleveland is what really makes it unique. The design just makes it easy to get some height on the ball quickly. With some practice you can pop the ball up from the dirt even. Love it.

@willscarborough9089

2 жыл бұрын

I use it like a regular wedge a lot putting it in the front of my stance and hinging my wrists. It pops nicely out of any lie but still gets good roll. It may not be the best thing you can do but it’s very consistent which is generally worth more over a whole round rather than hitting 1-2 really good regular chips and a lot that land short or get bladed

Nice video and really interesting video as usual! Thanks! When I was young, maybe because of Seve Ballesteros, I was taught to use all irons to chip from 3-PW (the only real wedge was a sand-wedge a 56 degrees in those days). We used to do it depending on distance from the green with the putting stroke. The closer, the lower the loft, and as you got farther the higher the loft. I still do that. The chipper looks like a good all-around club, but your could do it using all irons being creative too. That worked with traditional lofts; don't know about power lofts. However, since speciality wedges appeared, I don't see much of the old-style of chipping anymore...

My gap wedge is my go to chipper unless its buried in the rough. I just find it has perfect loft and bounce for chip and runs, even out to about 30 yards. I suppose with confidence and practice i could make the Ping work as well or even better. Good video.

I have been chipping almost exclusively with the Cleveland smart sole chipper and love it! It handles almost every shot. Which chipper do you prefer head to head, the Cleveland (which is lighter) or the ping? Thank you for a very relevant video

Excellent review Andy. Why not have a chipper and a sand wedge in this style of club? Chipper for the short chips/bump and run type shots and the smart sole sand wedge for getting out of and over bunkers. It still leaves you with a standard pitching wedge and gap wedge for those distance shots, whereas these 2 clubs would cover you from about 70 yards in.

Nice comparison Andy. I already have the Cleveland chipper and the Smart Sole really sets it apart from others I have tried. It is a very versatile club for sure. You can get the chipper to pop the ball up with some practice but still need a some good wedges in the bag IMO. One thing the chipper excels at is getting the ball to pop up from a dead pan lie - not something easily done with a wedge or a 7 iron either, to you point. I am looking to get some game improvement irons but plan to go from PW up and then get some new specialty wedges startling with a GW. After watching this review, I am definitely going to check out the Smart Sole wedges. Nice job as usual.

I truly appreciate your average golfer concept. Compared to some other youtubers, I can relate more to your content. I really like the smartsoles from Cleveland. I seriously think I might change my CBX2 for the Smartsoles...

I was thinking of going with the Chipper, but then I hit the Cleveland CBX S and wow does that impress me. I struggle out of the sand so to me would rather have that capability and have it check up nicely on pitch shots.

I have been using a Wilson Harmonized chipper while playing different courses, using a half set of clubs. I have a 56 wedge, and a 7 iron for alternative clubs near the green. The chipper needs practice on each green to work out the roll out amount. Using your putter stroke and aim at the hole, you can get a green read and possibly one putt if you get the distance pin high. The other use I have found is for chipping back into play, but hitting the ball harder makes the shot go higher, so delofting if under trees is needed.

Ping chipr is going to get a run in my bag! I chip a lot with an 8 iron, but struggle with the longer shaft. This got be worth a try 👍🏻

I just bought the Cleveland Chipper and wow what a game changer for me. I'm a terrible chipper but now I'm a lot more confident and my handicap should come down finally using the Cleveland

I just got the Cleveland Chipper. I love the Smart Sole Sand Wedge. I use it as a lob web wedge as well as bunkers. I have been very accurate with it 80-90 yards out. I have holed out 2 eagles on par 5's last year.

I’ve used the Cleveland for a bit now to get my confidence back with the wedges. Hardly used it at all recently.

I mostly use my pitching wedge for chipping, its a PXG 0311 XP at 43 degrees. You stand it up more like a putter and its super easy. The cleveland and ping are nice options too. Regardless, you’ll have to practice chipping

Put a Cleveland Chipper in the bag last week. One range session and one round in the books. Can’t believe I didn’t do this sooner - a real game changer IMHO. Point and shoot!

@nupezb

2 жыл бұрын

I'm waiting on my Cleveland Smart Sole 4 C to arrive this weekend. Looking to make the game a little easier for me.

I’m absolutely with you the Ping ChipR. That upright lie angle just helps keep the shot on target more than a regular wedge or 9 iron. It’s far more versatile than we’d give it credit for and I’ve taken to using it from shallow bunkers. Would be interested in whether a higher lofted version would be better or not. Happy for now though.

Ordered one of the ping Chipr this week from my club pro shop. I’ve been trying an Odyssey chipper but find it ugly and have to hit it harder than my milled face putter so looking forward to the more iron face of the chipr. Oh and I play off a handicap index of 4.9 I’ll try anything if it could lower my scores 100% a chipper does that.

I use cbx zipcore in 60 54 and 48, with the Cleveland chipper . The chipper turns out to be useful in more situations than I thought. If it's a 50/50 between one of my wedges and my chipper, I go with the chipper. The putter length shaft makes for easier directional control. It's useful from 100 yards and in - also a great punch out option.

@loikepalenikonu5489

Жыл бұрын

Highest lofted club in my set is my 46* PW. I use a 52* and 58* cbx zipcore and the Cleveland smart sole chipper. Really simplified the short game.

I've made a lot of changes to my bag over the past few weeks to improve forgiveness and performance. One of the first things I did was to replace my previous wedges with the Cleveland Smart Sole 4 chipper, gap wedge and sand wedge as I'd been duffing many of my wedge shots w/n 100 yards. I also replaced my long irons with Srixon Z-U85 utility irons as my long irons were inconsistent in terms of both distance and accuracy. More recently, I've also added a high-moi face-balanced mallet putter (replacing my Ping B-60 putter) that better matches my pendulum putting style. At the moment, I'm shooting in the mid to high-80s and I'm hoping the changes in my bag will help me in my effort to get down to the low 80s/high 70s. I guess time will tell.

@Alan_Edwards

2 жыл бұрын

Been doing the same in my quest to break 80. Working on getting some new game improvement irons next and maybe some new hybrids too. Good luck breaking that 80 mark brother.

@playingbadgolfwell9732

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alan_Edwards You too. I’ll be thinking of you while I continue to sort out my bag!

Totally agree Andy i gried both but went with the cleveland as the courses i play need a bit more loft and it suits my eye better not to mention the $ difference but both nice clubs

I just got the ping chipr, reason i went for that over the cleveland is it can be used easier from 100 yards, in the vid you had the same initial impression as me, that the chipr woulnt be any good from range, but it is so good as long as you dont have obstacles, but i would use a sand wedge there anyway. of course its main use is round the green where in testing vs lob wedge, sand wedge, 8 iron bumps etc the chipr won in my tests by miles. I had a space in my bag so made sense. I play off 8.

Stick it in the bag. I only have 13 clubs and have one ordered. Seems a no brainer for me. Rather than choke down a 9. I'm looking forward to getting it. The fact it looks like a premium Ping iron and not a lofted putter helps too.

@barrycole5930

2 жыл бұрын

I got mine today, its awesome!

Used the x-act tank chipper - very good

Ive had the cleveland 58° sandwedge for 2 months now and it is amazing! Any bunker any lie..out first time, every time. Just bagged myself the 42° chipper yesterday. Looking forward to trying it this weekend.

@jday4217

2 жыл бұрын

How do you play your bunker shots with it? Standard bunker shot? Or just set up as a normal shot and play it?

@roger130

2 жыл бұрын

@@jday4217 I just set up with a square face. No need to open it. I find the bounce doesnt work properly if i do that. Plugged lies i just hit it harder. Its amazing!

I had a really difficult time getting along with the Cleveland chipper, so I'm selling it and trying out an older used Ping maroon dot gap wedge, maroon dot for ping is bent 5 degrees upright which is pretty close to my putter lie angle, so it's an experiment. It feels really good hitting into my net at home, so time will tell. It's got the loft to pop it up and land it soft and if I lean the shaft I can take loft off of it if I want it to run.

I’ve got the smart sole 3 chipper and love it

Have been short chipping in house a lot this winter using Cleveland RTX6 46-58 wedges. I am good with the 46 and gets progressively worse down to the 58 which is poor compared to the 46. So many things often go wrong with the 58 compared to the 46. I also have a MacGregor MacTech X Chipper and it blows the wedges away. Much better directional and distance control compared to the wedges. The drawback with the MacTech X is that it has a sharp leading edge that snags into the carpet/grass. The RTX6 46 is much more for giving regarding snags because of its proper bounce. The Cleveland Smart sole Chipper seems to be the best of both worlds. I gladly trade away the 3W for a Chipper. A Chipper saves me more shots than the 3W.

Great video like always. I would like to the Cleveland chipper vs. ChipR they both seam to be the same.

I'm interested in the chipr, but I fancy trying to have a spare 9 iron bent more upright. If it works, It'll save a few quid!

Gonna get my brother one soon. He still plays the 42* Cleveland Niblick from like 2008.

I have a cheap chipper that I bought for $40 at Edwin Watts that works great. If you struggle chipping with a 7 or 8 iron like me, get yourself a cheap chipper and give it a whirl. You don't have to spend $200 for a stinking chipper. I'm getting pretty deadly with my $40 one. It's not for every shot around the greens, so learn to use the bounce on your wedges too.

I would like to play the Ping Chipper, as it more like a PW or 8 or 9 iron to chip, the Cleveland would not help since it would have to replace a wedge already in the bag.

I bought the Ping ChipR even though I am a pretty good chipper. My set was 44, 50, 54, and 58. Now it is 44, 50, 56 and ChipR. The 56 is my SW / LW. and I feel comfortable hitting over bunkers and out of rough with it. The ChipR is for around the greens and hitting bump and run shots with a lot of green to work with. I can still use my 50 for chipping too if I need a bit more loft. The reason it like the ChipR is because of the upright lie angle, shorter length and heavier weight. I think its made my bag more versatile.

@ronito886

2 жыл бұрын

So my first time out with the ChipR didn’t fare well. I was tempted to return it but decided to invest time into how to properly swing it. I’m glad I did. After two 1 hour sessions around a green (I live on a golf course), I think I’ve got the feel down now. If I have a lot of green to work with and I’m hitting from the fairway or tight lie I can usually roll the ball to within 5-6 feet and often tap in distance. It just takes time getting to know it. There are plenty of shots where I’ll use my 56 or 50 to pitch or chip but I think the ChipR will be a great weapon too.

Thank you Andy

I use 3 CBX2 wedges and a odyssey chipper. The CBX2s are soo soo good... Very forgiving. The odyssey chipper works great from fairway, but don't try to play it from rough. It just gets stuck.

TM bigfoot hi toe 58 degrees ...bunkers it's fantastic ... chippers not for me at all but can see the benefits .... fringes I'm putting.. short of greens I use lower loft wedge grip down and toe down then basically use a back and through stroke

Interesting vid andy, a comparison between the ChipR & the cleveland smartsole chipper would be interesting too?

Can't wait to try mine, just received it and awaiting the weather to improve. I have tried the gimmick brands before and feel that Ping will be better, haha we all need help of some sort. I love the game soe mush I will continue to try new ideas as well as older ideas and absolutely have no problem being avg. 👍👍

Looking to put the Ping in my bag. Just struggling with fitting options at the moment. No one has them until the end of the month and, as I’m not a standard lie/length guy, will have to wait. Darn!

Yep eff that, I struggle the most just off the green, a chipper is the go for me. I just want to get round in fewer strokes. No brainer.

I went with the mazel 45° chipper because it was the cheapest of these types of clubs but it immediately made my short game better

@jday4217

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. Not convinced it's any better than using my other clubs for a bump n run though.

@mptemplin

Жыл бұрын

Those Mazel chippers are game changers. I picked up the 45, 55 & 60. My short game is now probably the best part of my game. Ping ChipR is basically the same club just a lower loft, which I think the Mazel 45 is a much better option, doesn't run out too much like this ping seems to do

I currently carry a 54 and 58 Cleveland CBX. I’m going to try the CHIP R and a 56 in my bag for a while

@ITC74PharmD

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same set up and making the exact same change...good luck.

Great video nice one Andy

I just added a Ping Chip R to the bag. I like it a lot.

Have the Cleveland club in the sand wedge, it is fantastic!

I bought the smartsole set of three wedges ayear ago. The 50 and 58 wedges are great clubs that have cut strokes from my short game. But the smartsole chipper has a much shorter shaft and a much shallower face. These two characteristcs give me a lot of problems with the smartsole chipper such that I have now taken it out of my bag. You're right about learning the distances for the smartsole wedges, but once you have these numbers results become repeatable and reliable. I'll try the PING chipper because I appreciate the principle.

@jday4217

2 жыл бұрын

I bought the smartsole 3 sand wedge and chipper. Liked the sand wedge so kept it but sold chipper as couldn't get in with it.

I replaced my 7 iron with a 7 hybrid and found this to be my go-to club for chipping around the green. The hybrid head easily glides through the turf and doesn't catch.

@ronito886

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 7 hybrid too. It works for chipping but not as easy as my ChipR due to its length and lighter weight. The advantage of the ChipR is you’re standing closer to the ball and it’s a lot heavier to control distance. The ChipR is awesome but I still use my 50 and 56 for hitting high pitch shots when needed.

I've got the Square Strike 45 and it certainly has helped my consistency. Great video as always Andy.

Only use cleveland 8, 9 or PW to chip works really well for me. All golfers are different. Use what's best for you.

Words of wisdom for sure. Good job Andy. I carry a Adams Chipper at 37 degrees. Its great also. If we can add a club that helps our game why not do it???? I also carry a 45 degree square strike. Enough said !!!!

I am hearing good things about the Chipr, I will have to give it a go.

Seems like the Loft would make a huge difference on which club would perform better.. Simple bump and run Ping. Smart Sole when need more of a touch Chip/Pitch

You had said on another review that you'd not put the chipper in your bag because you didn't have the space. If you switched to all Cleveland Smart Sole Wedges (G,S,C) you could solve the problem. The sand wedge is 58 deg. It serves has a good sand wedge and can fit in for the seldom used lob wedge. I find the C wedge very versatile. I've used in for chip n run, approach and even out of the bunker. Finally, with the trio, you also get the gap wedge for those approach shots. Personally I don't care what other golfers say about my choice of clubs. It's the final score that counts.

Great information.. Where can I get that hat?

Andy,try the Elven hybrids 3 to pw,all full hybrids.

How do you rate those against the Mizuno ES21 mate?

I order Pingr and I’m might put in the bag the Cleveland wedge also good video

this may be a stupid question but where would one get a knit headcover like yours

Agree with everything you said Andy, but I need to see a compare between the Ping and the Cleveland Chipper, which is also more upright. Both have very different soles and I would appreciate your thoughts between the two of them.

@ronito886

2 жыл бұрын

The Ping is a bit more upright (70* vs. 66*?) and is 35” vs. 34” for the Cleveland. The Ping can be opened up a little to increase the loft whereas the Cleveland can’t be opened much due to the wider sole. The Ping is heavier too.

@robbiles

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronito886 Thanks Ron. It's really the turf interaction I'm interested in hearing about, particularly off scabby lies. My thoughts are the Cleveland sole would be a bit more forgiving compared to the Ping as it has a more iron like sole. Hadn't looked up the loft & lie difference so thanks, saved me doing it now.

I am looking to buy a chipper but I am between the ChipR and the cleveland, any suggstion? Also If I choose the cleveland I am not sure which one choose coz they have 3 options

Get them both in the bag. The Cleveland could replace the gap wedge.

Thanks for your videos on these two clubs, have found this and other vids on chipping/approach really interesting. This discussion feels so much like when I use to play golf as a kid and did not have (could not afford) a heap of clubs. We use to use our 7 iron, our single wedge and putter for a whole range of different shops by manipulating loft. Golf has become almost too complicated by having too many different clubs. Having a ChipR and perfecting it for a whole range of different situations is almost preferable to having too many clubs of which you don't use often enough to get comfortable with. Less IS more. Thanks agains PS: you have a lot of dust specs all over your lens!!

It’s a shame you didn’t have the C wedge in the Cleveland. It would have been a closer comparison.

I think you could play both but something like 54 and chipper. My personal preference is neither due to how I play and wedges been my stronger suits

If a "chipper" came with a head cover, it would be in everyone's bag. Great review.

My son uses a 45 deg chipper from 140 yards in all the time and has never missed a green. Cant beat him now.

The smart sole wedges are definitely better than the chipper because of their versatility. You can get fairly creative with the Cleveland wedge vs the ping chipr.

When are you bagging the chipr?

You could see that you were far more consistent with the ping chipR than the Cleveland. The flight of the Cleveland was different with each strike whereas the flight was the same with each ball at different locations with the ping and you had more control of the strength after seeing the 1st ball hit from distance

I thought the Chipper was an 8 or 9 iron loft? Explains why it gets the ball up.

I have the Cleveland C, S, and G wedge. Downfall from them is you can’t get back spin when using them. That’s one reason why I don’t use them anymore.

@davidpoulsen1257

Жыл бұрын

I have the smart sole chipper and on fuller shots can get a heap of stopping power on it. Any swing that is above a 3/4 swing I just hit it the distance to the hole and generally find it lands and stops, agree that it does roll out on shorter swings though

I prefer the Callaway sure out wedge👌

Ordered the chipr

H Andy, great video. Love the green cam view. May we request for future videos, to perhaps circle out where the ball ends up please? Not easy to spot with the sun reflecting off the green. Appreciate it, thanks!

The best 'game improvement' club I have EVER found is the Cleveland Smart Sole Sand Wedge. If you hate bunkers, get this club.

I’m gonna lose the 5 iron when I get my hands on this chipr. Can’t remember last time I used it. I would use this chipr 6 or 7 times a round for sure.

I use an 8 or 7 iron and treat it like a putter

what are the results with one ball, one shot, just as we play golf..

So what club do you take out?

The ChipR is far to expensive for a average golfer and that is the golfer it is aimed at so Im sorry Id love one but cant justify the expense I paid over £50 with Amazon for a Pinemeadow chipper ( Same disign as the Cleveland chipper) and try as I might it just wont do it for me and is now gathering dust in the corner

I don’t understand why you’re not putting both in the bag. Two different scenarios require two different clubs. If you think about the smart sole “set” of three clubs, they have covered all requirements on getting the ball on the green from anywhere.

I played with a guy who hit his chipper off the tee on a 138yard par 3 and missed a hole in one by inches he uses it everywhere even the sand.

thank you. I shot 62,and save 8 strokes using the ping CHIPR

I'm convinced if a person just used the one club from 75 yards in for almost everything it would help them get it dialed in.

I don't understand the difference using a 7 or 8 iron as a chipper which I learn as a kid

For me the chipr as I tend to use a 7 iron a lot . Would of thought the chipr would not get the occasional blade in to the middle of the ball and it flies across the green like some wedge shots

I tried the Cleveland smart sole Chipper, the CBX2 wedges in 54 and 58, and the smart sole S wedge. Neither of the products improved my game in the long term. I would imagine if you are a 25-30 handicap, these might improve your game, but if you are below a 15 index, the only thing that will improve your game is actually learning to use a 54 to 58 degree wedge. Especially if you play greens that stimp at 11 to 12. You need to learn how to manage and use spin because you can't hit a chipper from decent rough and stop it on a stimp11 green. If you are playing old-style muni courses with very slow and hairy green; flat greens that have front run-ups, I can see a chipper being of some value. For the average person, the best option is to get a sandwedge fitted for the type of turf you play and then learn to hit 3-4 different style shots with it. Once you get the confidence your scores will plummet. The biggest mistake I see is most golfers not using the bounce on their wedges, you need to be about to throw the bounce into the ground and have confidence, once you can do that, you can pull off amazing shots around the greens. The chippers are a bit of a crutch to learning how to really hit shots around the green and I think Andy knows that, this is why you won't ever put a chipper in the bag.

@TheAverageGolfer

2 жыл бұрын

Errrmmmm…….it’s in my bag 👍

@pipebliss

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer ok, i thought you said in the videos you weren't sure yet. Let's see how long it stays there for... My guess is not long

@willscarborough9089

2 жыл бұрын

I think it all depends on what peoples goals are. If you’re trying to push your scores to be as best as possible (maybe consistently shooting in the 70s) then yes it’s a bit of a crutch. For someone like me who may get to play once a week (maybe) and wants to score in the 80s every time it’s a useful club. I don’t bleed any strokes around the green because if I’m nervous with a shot I know I can use the chipper to get on the green even if it isn’t the best possible shot. There’s a lot to be said for having a club that you KNOW will at least get you semi close.

@pipebliss

2 жыл бұрын

@@willscarborough9089 i agree, if you don't care much about getting below 80 and just want an easy club to hit, it's a no brainer,, but if you are trying to get to a 5 hcp or lower, i think it's a crutch... At least from my experience using it.

@willscarborough9089

2 жыл бұрын

@@pipebliss yeah I think if you want to be low single digits it’s better to use your wedges and hit multiple shots which opens up other spots in the bag. I hover between an 11-12 and I use one because if I’m having an off day or in crazy rough it’s just such an easy club to use effectively.

My hardest part of golf is from 200 yards to 20 yards from the flag.

If they ever allow a 15th club in the bag, it should have to be a chipper.

I like my 52° smartsole, it's fallible but then again so am I!

andy cud u do a face off with the 2 chippers

This seems like an odd comparison. Two totally different clubs with two totally different uses.

No chance here Andy, an 8 iron gets the job done 👍

Seems sensible to try these clubs out

I tried a chipper once not for me

Why hasn't there been any Andy and Hannah videos?

Man they built a great club ,I know it's better ,still caught between ego and logic

Get them both. No one is counting clubs in your bag and everyone carries too many clubs anyway so take out clubs. Make it easy, golf is hard enough.