I am not sure about the leaks honestly I do kinda believe them because we've had these swings and roundabouts for multiple years now. I do hope that IF they are true that CA realizes that MAYBE just maybe they should ask the fanbase what they want. I like Cathay I really enjoy them but flooding this game with Cathay content while other much beloved races and factions get ignored is incredibly tone death.

@kapitankapital6580

24 күн бұрын

They just seem so unbelievable. It would just be mind bogglingly stupid for CA to do something like this, and you like to hope that there's at least some competence there.

@Weberkooks

24 күн бұрын

@@kapitankapital6580mindboggling stupid. Yes, like shadows of change, the future of 3 kingdoms, the realms of chaos campaign, the settlement rework, the launch of rome 2, the launch of total war pharoah, and above all: Hyenas. Mind boggling stupid is right in line with the history of total war which is why I do believe the leaks.

@joshuagardner3789

24 күн бұрын

I really hope this isn’t the case I am not happy whatsoever with this roadmap!

@tonyfranksland428

24 күн бұрын

Legend just released another video to add some more context I hope you cover them too

@tencu132

24 күн бұрын

it sounds interesting if the leaks its true also i m hyped for ogres and i want for them rework, i liked the 1st and 3rd DLCS and i dont like dogs of war faction i prefer something like IND OR KINGDOMS OF KHURESH.

Someone at CA was like "We will have Total War Three Kingdoms 2 in one way or another"

@jamiemartin1434

24 күн бұрын

Are you joking or is this someone seriously said this ?

@olivierluisin1790

24 күн бұрын

@@jamiemartin1434 joking obviously.

@tylerdurden376

24 күн бұрын

​@@olivierluisin1790I mean.. it's true haha

@dafq9149

24 күн бұрын

CA maybe leaked to see fans opinion of the dlcs they plan. If many fans dont like it it needs big change.

@liofalba

24 күн бұрын

It kind of makes sense. Problem: “Current fan base is very demanding with DLC in a way that doesn’t really make this profitable”. Solution: “Get new customers for whom the novelty of new monsters and factions hasn’t worn off”.

If they stop with chaos factions right after Nurgle, all Slaanesh and Khorne fans will riot x)

@Daladun

24 күн бұрын

Blood for the fanbase!

@NcrXnbi

24 күн бұрын

I will go full noise marine on their HQ if they don't deliver more Slaanesh. I want my booba snakes mounts.

@billylee7398

24 күн бұрын

CA would rather betray the fans, then have the fans betray CA.

@HowlFromBeyond

24 күн бұрын

Khorne gets a dog and Slaanesh gets fucked (which is perfectly inline for Slaanesh).

@Joshua6881

24 күн бұрын

WE have had 11 choas lords since warhammer 3 release and only 4 order LL we do need more order factions i love choas but i feel like they are getting to much love

Why just make one big cathy DLC with all four sub factions legendary lords in it

@mrhelzbygrad7485

24 күн бұрын

That's my thought, it should one dlc

@bobbobberson3383

24 күн бұрын

Yep one DLC to complete the faction and be done. Too costly I guess.

@Ratman36

24 күн бұрын

@@bobbobberson3383 and they can do that to the older factions like the vampire counts with a blood line/rework in one

@mrhelzbygrad7485

24 күн бұрын

@@bobbobberson3383 it'll be costly if no one buys it!

@malkavthemad4249

24 күн бұрын

Because if you're trying to work on a Chinese market you need to he more Chinese units in each pack to market to them.

Norsca standing in the background with a thousand yard stare and ringing ears

@zernst2798

24 күн бұрын

Vampire counts right behind them

@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242

24 күн бұрын

It’s a longshot, but i’m hoping there’s a rework coming independently of a DLC. I’d take anything at this point.

@blackadder5346

24 күн бұрын

@@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242 the need new lords as well, norsca have been abandoned by CA, it'd be nice for that to change

@anthonyt2042

24 күн бұрын

And vampire coast

@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242

23 күн бұрын

@@blackadder5346 I'd love that too. I really want a proper DLC ala champions of chaos, but any sort of norsca update at all would be greatly appreciated.

So the Thrones of Decay honeymoon is over?

@liofalba

24 күн бұрын

Tbh as time goes by the only people really into this game are people who are committed to such an extent they are going to be dissapointed. A lot of the casuals have been checking out for a while, which is why CA is thinking of crazy shit to try to get new customers.

@Booklat1

24 күн бұрын

@@liofalba anything but selling the 3 games in a pack for a decent discount lol (IK skulls event was just a few days ago, I wonder if that helped sell WH3 much)

@liofalba

24 күн бұрын

@@Booklat1 lol. yeah that's fair. I said they were trying crazy shit, not necessarily good ideas.

@Alex254561

23 күн бұрын

no thrones of decay level of content compared to the price, no buy for me

@SpaceMarine4040

23 күн бұрын

Thrones of decay was a truly fantastic release, you had probably the best rework I have ever seen for the empire that made it so every single empire faction now feels unique. as a bonus it also had 3 characters that the fans really wanted doing one of the best campaigns. and then the nemesis on top for another good campaign from the lore. If the leaks are true, then they looked at that and went "that worked well, lets do the exact opposite now." I find it hard to believe that they could learn literally nothing, and in fact unlearn from this recent success. But if the rumors are true then yes it might be over already.

I hope these leaks aren’t true. I just want them to finish out the chaos god style of dlcs. Khorne v. Ogres v. Monkey King and Slaneesh v. High Elves v. Dark elves. It’s right there, they’d both sell very well and they’d keep good face with the fans. Also wth not making the dogs of war a real faction is so stupid

@albertosanchezchacon155

24 күн бұрын

I will prefer Khorne vs Ogres vs Vampire counts and call it blood feast. But yeah, these is the right call, but they want to do a Three Kingdoms disaster 2.0.

@carterbenton2399

24 күн бұрын

@@albertosanchezchacon155 they could still have it set in Cathay too, introduce the jade bloodline. It fits so well, it’s literally right there

@caacrinolaas999

24 күн бұрын

​@@carterbenton2399Jade bloodline would be the only further Cathay content I'd be interested in. Ogres need more work than Cathay imo and I really think it'd be better to get some of the older factions brought up to date.

@seaofenergy2765

23 күн бұрын

Slaanesh must be next! The original roadmap had Slaanesh next!! 😩

@thanhlongle3659

23 күн бұрын

😊😊😊😊😊😊😅😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😅​@@carterbenton2399

Slightly concerning is such a fucking understatement.

@Deerygccawwetthjbgde

22 күн бұрын

He learned British sarcasm.

There is an inkling of hope in my brain saying that this was the plan before the shadows of change debacle and that the plans have changed since then, but that is very unlikely.

@johnj.spurgin7037

24 күн бұрын

One can only hope.

@klavicus2276

24 күн бұрын

One can only hope

@2009VandA

24 күн бұрын

I mean that can't really be the case. We know that the next DLC post Thrones was supposed to be the Slannesh DLC based on the old road map. If this DLC is real then it seems like the Slannesh DLC was supposed to have ogres and Cathay in it. It seems that post SOC or maybe post Thrones they have changed it to this witch is very strange especially when thrones was arguably a success.

@Booklat1

24 күн бұрын

@@2009VandA it wasn't just SoC flopping though. They had layoffs and cancelled hyenas, they could've changed their plans 180° (and apparently ToD was fairly expensive to make)

@lethalgnome9614

24 күн бұрын

CA has cast doom and darkness and the communities leadership is close to breaking💀

This sounds awful. Hopefully this leak happened because someone at CA wanted their incompetent bosses to see the fan reaction and they'll change their plans.

CA has heard the community's adulation for ToD and has decided to give the people more of what they don't care about...

I can´t overstate how much I HATE the direction indicated by the leaks, especially the hyperfocus on Cathay. One more Lord is more than sufficient, while the old and established factions are still in so much need of reworks and additions. I was hoping they had learned a lesson with the success of ToD, but now that is in question again...

@tuff9486

24 күн бұрын

The chinese market is screaming for content

@albertosanchezchacon155

24 күн бұрын

​@@tuff9486 Nope it is not. CA and GW are screaming to enter chinese market, but they are gonna fail over and over again, because they don't understand it.

@TsunamiWombat

24 күн бұрын

2. Fire Dragon and Yin Yin (purely for the memes). But one of them could be FLC easily

@Booklat1

24 күн бұрын

There's two dragons left and monkey king. 2 DLCs for cathay is fine, just not 3 out of 5 DlCs (starting with SoC)

@Wyattearpp

23 күн бұрын

What You're telling me you're not excited to have yet another legendary lord that's a human that shape shifts into a dragon? At least with a monkey King it is something a little different. But this would be like if the Empire got a ton of DLCs but all of their characters were just like wizards. You need a healthy mix otherwise you're just playing the same Lord slightly differently

I know Khorne is known to be *extremely* angry, but if these leaks are true... I have no idea how absolutely livid he would be if there was no DLC for his faction. Sure, Karanak got to be a Legendary Hero, but its not entirely the same as getting a Legendary Lord.

@KhorgosKhul

24 күн бұрын

Agreed

@Booklat1

24 күн бұрын

not even close to a lord, and I was 100% sure when I saw him that it meant we weren't seeing a khorne lord for long. I don't mind slaanesh getting an flc lord though.

@OhManTFE

20 күн бұрын

We should have got Skulltaker as a legendary lord for skulls event. Remember when they dropped Rakarth out of nowhere? CA is so cheap now to not even give us legendary lords occasionally unless it's alongside DLC.

well watch ca destroy an entire fanbase after building it up with warhammer 2

@TheChremix

24 күн бұрын

they are really trying to speedrun it when the rumors are true

@spu00trb

23 күн бұрын

Hey now, give them credit for their weirdness. They built it up, then tore it down with Wh3, then built it up again with the immortal empires and chaos dwarves, then tore it down again, then built it up again, and now its time to tear it down again. The most recent DLC was a really solid addition. LOADS of great stuff.

@omgraggy5358

23 күн бұрын

Building it up With thrones of decay*

I hate that the only Slaanesh content is Dechala as FLC, not DLC and 0 Khorne content what so ever. I was waiting to hear your opinion and thank you.

@jay31san

24 күн бұрын

We are getting a Khorne Dog.

@Lukaskovac-ex4nf

24 күн бұрын

These are just speculation, not official news

@danio5577

24 күн бұрын

@@Lukaskovac-ex4nf yes, we need to remember that, but it is concerning and legend's leaks were pretty on point

@jjgunes8938

24 күн бұрын

​@@jay31san Yeah a legendary hero which will probably just buff some units and maybe some cool animations but thats all. They are very boring when you compare them with lords

@Lukaskovac-ex4nf

24 күн бұрын

@@danio5577 did Legend correctly predict previous DLC in the past? I noticed, that Slanesh themed DLC is officialy (and logicaly) planned by previous official road map. I would say, that is possible, that some mentioned lords (monkey king) will be in future DLC. But I would not take this leak that seriously... Just wait for official info

Guess Sega fired every single person at CA that had any knowledge of their customer base.

Tone deaf upper management greedily inisisting on developing the game with a focus on Cathay to entice the Chinese Market. I can't see myself parting with money for anything but Neferata, Nagash, Araby and Nippon. I want to see new races and flavour, with a wrapping up by the dev team, improving the older races. I don't want another lord here and there for armies already out, I want variety for replayability, rather than seeing a lord from the lore added to an army I've played a hundred times. I know that's more work, but that's what gets me interested in playing it again.

Legend in his streams has said many times; kuresh can't happen because GW won't allow it.

CA need to address these leaks with a timeline. confirm deny it needs to be addressed cause they are getting out of hand and people need confirmation either way.

If Cathay gets three dlcs before vampires get 2 I'll be very depressed

If they do nothing with Ind and Kuresh and those two giant peninsulas are left empty and blocked off, the map being partially empty and blocked will be the biggest failure. The only thing I have hope for with all the Cathay DLC is that they'll have to open up the land in order to fit all these lords.

@jacksonmarsh7980

24 күн бұрын

I hope so too. It drives me crazy thinking that they could just leave that land empty

@vshark7869

20 күн бұрын

I think it’s clear that the tiger men will be in Ind

@torontokid2727

20 күн бұрын

@@vshark7869 I don't think anything is clear. Nothing is stopping them from having another Shadows of Change debacle.

Frankly, I'll believe it when I see it. This reeks of either mole hunting, or some of Legend's fanbase deciding to mess with him and sending him fake leaks from multiple sources. If this is real, then it will kill the game. ToD only barely got the community's faith and good will back, pulling this kind of nonsense immediately afterward would be video game seppuku.

Def like the Tigermen. Mostly upset that VC are still being ignored

@stevesteverson

24 күн бұрын

Yeah.... Almost wish they'd skip Cathayan Ogres and add Jade Vampires instead. I'd say Lamayans. But that'd be asking CA too be too nice.

They should do a DLC with Khorne vs Slaanesh, bringing the realms of chaos into inmortal empires.

A lot of the focus is on CA, but I can’t help but I think GW is hand in hand responsible. The weird lord and unit selection on Kislev had to come from GW, not CA. Yin Yin not being selected as lord and two new lords also sounds like a GW decision and not CA. I bet GW wants to save those releases for table top and give CA some generic garbage. The mismanagement of releases and inconsistent quality is on CA. The Lord, race picks and lore that they choose is likely GWs doing.

@klavicus2276

24 күн бұрын

I agree that GW is desperately in need of a change in their leadership and get that stiff spine more flexible and their mind a bit more open for innovation and new (better) ideas

@omgraggy5358

23 күн бұрын

Ppl tend to scape goat GW for CA leadership mistakes. Like how ppl did with Activision for Bungies mistakes.

As much as I'd like more Cathay units etc other races from the 2nd and 1st game need some love and where the hell is the Slasnesh dlc? They really need to ask the fans what we want.

@Lokaror

24 күн бұрын

Not to mention khorne...

@mj91212

24 күн бұрын

They don’t care what we want, we’re the product they’re selling, the _real_ customers are the shareholders.

@Jonez.12

24 күн бұрын

These are dlcs for Warhammer 3, not 1 or 2. Also, players prefer human factions. It's simple

@alecvincent7609

24 күн бұрын

@@Jonez.12 wat ...

@MultiMoe11

24 күн бұрын

@@Jonez.12 Who the hell prefers the human factions this is shareholder related nonsense have not touched any of the human factions tried Kislev once or twice but even with the new units still can't get into them as Kostaltyn needs massive changes to feel like he is own character. Give me more Ogre Kingdoms,finish the dwarves. Khorne content as well as Slannesh, Give us a champions of chaos like dlc for Vampire Counts,Mopnkey King,Nurgle Norsca please and a massive Norsca update because it is currently in a corner sobbing as it just gets steamrolled by everything else etc. Stop spamming us with the human factions that are vanilla and boring as well as honestly not worth it only bought the last Empire faction because i had bought the others and it was cheaper after buyting the other two.

Southern realms should be their own race with the dogs of war operating like a horde who takes on contracts for other factions

@monochromaticspider

24 күн бұрын

Dogs of War is not a singular entity. It's a term for mercenaries, like "soldier of fortune". You wouldn't want the big soldier of fortune horde running around and taking jobs, would you?

@maddlarkin

24 күн бұрын

Honestly I think Southern realms should just be left to the mod that's been doing it for years now and the Dogs of War should focus on being a playable mercenaries with profit rather than conquest as the goal and the units available to various factions for the right price

@CommanderBohn

24 күн бұрын

Dude. Southern Realms and Dogs of War are connected harder than Empire and Sigmar. Half of the original tabletop Regiments of Renown come from the Southern Realms and a chunk of them used to be commanded by Borgio The Besieger.

@maddlarkin

24 күн бұрын

@CommanderBohn okay, but if you just playing Tilia what's different between that and any other faction, a common unit pool makes absolute sense, but I think it would be more intresting to be a roving army taking jobs for money Grudge Brinkers style, there is a lot more narrative legs and it would be an intresting change of pace if done right

@spookydan39

24 күн бұрын

Just do it vampire coast style, with southern realms being the overarching faction and "Dogs of War" being the generals who move around with a horde and mercenaries. Easy.

I don’t want Cathay to turn into a faction full of different monster units like Monkeys, ogres, and tigers all bloating up the roster of Grand Cathay to the point it no longer has the imperial China feeling that I love about it

I think we can all agree that if these leaks are true and they go through with it we are not far from "the future of total war warhammer 3" and given the rather questionable decisions of recent time im afraid its actually whats going to happen.

@simondiebolt5354

24 күн бұрын

Yeah, let's not be too optimistic here, imcompetency is still very much a thing at CA's headquarters apparently.

@walter1383

24 күн бұрын

​@@simondiebolt5354Two rounds of layoffs seems to have done nothing to cull stupidity. Management untouched and pat themselves on the back while the house burns down around them.

@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242

24 күн бұрын

Has anyone got any copium? Please i’m running out fast, could somebody share some?

@improve1583

24 күн бұрын

​@@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242 They will listen to the feedback given and change the plans accordingly because they know they have to listen to what people actually want after shadows of change and Thrones of Decay was just the beginning it will get even better now. All i got left hope it helps.

@scarecentral1565

24 күн бұрын

@@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242 um mods are pretty good so most of us will still get what we want just ca won't get money

And why does Cathay need sub factions? You have all of the Dragon children that you can put in the game, plus one non dragon lord being the Monkey king himself (why do we need 2 monkey LLs?)…just give us the dragon children in 1 pack with 3 lords and call it the “three kingdoms 2” DLC pack

@alexanderlow919

23 күн бұрын

Yin Yin ,Li Dao,Monkey King in one pack, freaking take my money man,then we move on to Slannesh and Khorne after that to close it off go for Nagash there you go,a good ending for Warhammer

TBH Dogs dont look bad but rest is kinda disturbing...

@NcrXnbi

24 күн бұрын

DG looks ok, as of the rest, I only care of the Tiger lord.

@TheChremix

24 күн бұрын

only two Lords sound really sad only Ogres and Norsca as Preorder Races are this low when it comes to DLC Factions

@zernst2798

24 күн бұрын

Eh I mean a full priced faction mainly using existing assets doesn't sound great

@walter1383

24 күн бұрын

No Lorenzo Lupo, no Lietpold the Black, only 9 unique units and they're mostly just versions of the same basic spearmen/crossbows/knights/cannons with no unique identity.

@Booklat1

24 күн бұрын

if the ogre lord is an actual ogre and comes with ogre improvements it wouldn't be so bad. Getting a DoW and a slaanesh FLC kinda saves it for the first two DLCs. Following up with a thind cathay dlc in such little time would suck though, norsca and khorne need some love before that and they're not the only ones.

CA executives sniffing that warpstone dust again.. Where's the communication?? Also, poor decision-making via Cathay branding for Ogres & Tigermen DLC..

@Prushinthespirit

24 күн бұрын

So, you want neither entirely new content, nor more attention to Ogres then? Cathay getting some spotlight is the most important for you here?

@stevadr

24 күн бұрын

@@Prushinthespirit Please read my comment again. I'm criticising Cathay Branding for an Ogre + Tigermen DLC.. Also, I expect official communication if they're so late into the development process (allegedly). PS. They should share these plan-schemes with the community beforehand, so as to avoid mistakes just like these (another Cathay Branded DLC for Ogres & Tigermen content..).. & Yes to an Ogres re-work..

@Prushinthespirit

24 күн бұрын

@@stevadr CA hasn't really announced anything yet to begin with. What I see right now is a massive outburst over something that might as well be thrown onto a dry newspage for fun by some troll. I never understood the Cathay hate boner, since this faction was one of the best things to come out in WH3 on release. But hopefully you didn't really think they'd go for tigermen or anything Ind-related on a scale of a full faction. So branding them under Cathay is the best option since they don't have typical allegiance to chaos as other beastmen do. Also, you can't know how ogres content in that DLC is going to work. And how many interactions with normal Ogre Kingdoms they're going to have in terms of units and mechanics to already draw a conclusion. All this might greatly complement ogres as a faction, so ogre players will be eager to buy it as if it was for their favourite race.

@maddlarkin

24 күн бұрын

@@Prushinthespirit The thing to remember is "massive outbursts" are about the only thing that these comapnies have been shown to respond to, so unless you want a bunch of mediocre DLC's. CA didn't release thrones of decay out of the goodness of there hearts, they released it because of huge negtive reaction over their previous DLC, honestly my view is better to get in early with rage and head these things off well in advance before we get another monkey themed Shadows of Change

@monochromaticspider

24 күн бұрын

@@Prushinthespirit I think most people want Ogre Kingdoms fixed. That doesn't seem likely to happening because a few ogre units are added through a Cathay DLC. What holds OK back isn't lack of units, it's that the faction mechanics are shit and the legendary lords don't really have a proper identity. As for Cathay being good, not really. This is Total War Warhammer. Can you point me towards the WHFB army book for Cathay? No, you cannot, because it isn't a WHFB army. If you want to play Total War China, there's Three Kingdoms. But of course you fuckers didn't actually want to support that game the way WHFB fans have supported TWWH over the years, so that game died. And now you want to kill WH3 as well.

NOOO NOT MORE CATHAY

@KhorgosKhul

24 күн бұрын

I feel the same way you do....

I hope they do still do a proper Slaanesh DLC for your sake at the very least

@klavicus2276

24 күн бұрын

One can only hope

I really don’t think there is any way for this game to meet expectations. The problem is the game has infinite potential but is being managed in an environment where profit and efficiency are essential to continue providing content. Nothing has changed from the “costs are up” post. So many factions and races could use facelifts, reworks and redesigns. Along with new content for daemonic content and expanding and fleshing out the Immortal Empires map. To me the only way this game lives up to its potential is that there are some genuine monetary investments put into it for longterm success of Warhammer and Total War as a whole instead of just needing to turn a profit for the immediate content provided. There should be some consideration by CA management that many people, myself included will just ignore 40k, WW1, Star Wars or Medieval 3 if they fail to have this game (WH3) live up to its potential.

The only thing I believe is the "you get an extra Ogre LL for owning 2 dlc's" since they did the same thing with Wood Elves and Beastmen. DoW is plausible even though I was hoping for 1 LL each for Tilea, Estalia and Border Princes, but I don't know enough about the lore if those factions even have recognisable LL's for each of them. The only bit of copium that's working for me is the idea that the 2 Cathay dlc's will function to populate the Ind and Kuresh peninsulas.

The only Cathay lords I want are the dragons and Wukong. The only Cathay Lord I plan on playing often is Wukong. But what I want is Norsca, Khorne, and Greenskins. What we need is Ind and Kuresh.

I think CA is somewhat capitalizing on the fact that they'll open Ind and Kuresh alongside these DLCs. But if the content sucks it won't sell. They already forgot SOC.

@Wrzerq

24 күн бұрын

Yeah, but if they want to open these parts, they have to enter with a banger (basically a new faction). If they will play with minor faction bullshit, they won't generate enough hype for future development of those regions. And their retarded management will determine that "players won't like Ind or Khuresh, because they didn't want to buy minor Cathayan factions dlc".

they could have had one of them as slannesh vs khorne dlc and one mega dlc for cathay ,it would have been a bit better

I wouldn't be surprised if CA intentionally pushed out some bad leaks so people are more appreciative and excited when the DLCs are revealed to be better. But I also wouldn't be surprised if the leaks are spot on...

I'll say it, I'm concerned for Egrimm, I know Tzeentch got the changeling but we really need the mortal representatives for the mono gods. It should break down as 1 greater demon, 1 minor demon and 1 mortal lord. The only one who's gotten that is Nurgle so the other monogod factions need to catch up to that level.

I'd like to say that if the rumours are true (which I hope not) I can still see Ogre Kingdoms getting their missing units through this. I'd imagine they're put Yhetees and such into the Cathay ogre kingdom roster and just link it to ogre kingdoms like they did with Mournghuls

What we really need is DLC featuring Yin-Yin + Vampire COAST LL + rework.

High Elves DESPERATLY NEED A FACTION REWORK. INFLUENCE IS BLAND AND BORING.....

@artemkh8944

24 күн бұрын

If HE are bad, imagine what bretonnians are. I dont even play bretonnia at this point. This faction is dead.

@oreledoria2537

24 күн бұрын

@@artemkh8944 If bretonnians are bad, imagine norsca, who hasn't had a meaningful update since the launch of warhammer 2 and only two lords. At least the frenchies got a chivalry rework and cavalary mechanics buffs, but still no bueno.

@atlasstoned

24 күн бұрын

@@oreledoria2537sad thing is Norsca is better than brettonia

@ncgzeal

24 күн бұрын

Bretonnia is not bad, they still have one of best economy, best hero, and no supply chain penalty.

@TheRiceHill

24 күн бұрын

@@artemkh8944 I love it when history repeats itself

Let me write down what I believe the game needs to be completed (and which I’m interested in buying): - proper slanesh dlc (like nurgle) - Proper khorne dlc (like nurgle) - Proper ogre kingdom dlc (like nurgle) - HE rework (similar to the empire) - DE rework (de and he would have been great together with slanesh in a south east naval / colonies wars dlc) - Brettonia rework (would be great few new units like knights on foot and some new mechanics) - Ind mini race pack (1/2 lord lords would be enough but with their own identity) - Kuresh mini race pack (like above) - A proper tribes of the north dlc (WoC style) - Legion of the damned race pack (a mixed undead faction with nagash and neferata) - VC dlc with the blood lines (WoC style) - Geomagnetic web rework (a patch would be enough) - Dogs of war fleshed out eventually through different mini race packs (tilea, estasia, Araby, border prince) with a good mercenaries rework - Hobgoblins khanate mini race pack (just one LL) - Nippon mini race pack (same as Ind etc) - Monkey king and some other dragon siblings - Thanquol - Ulricht empire dlc + toddy CA/GW please pick up from the above whatever you like and I will be super happy to buy it full price day one. …But not the hybrid Cathey sub faction that nobody wants (how much is selling W3 in china to justify this focus on Cathey?) I know it’s a lot of stuff and we will get very few of the above, but many reworks could be done through flc or simply patches. The leak (if true) does not go in the right direction. I’m really afraid that the end of TW WH will be sooner than later with this awful strategic choices (that will realistically end up in poor sales). Hope the leak is fake.

@Prushinthespirit

24 күн бұрын

No Lizardmen rework included - list deemed irrelevant

@Booklat1

24 күн бұрын

@@Prushinthespirit reading is fun they did mention geomantic web rework

@pavlepavlovic4073

23 күн бұрын

Aside from those mini race packs for Ind, Kuresh and Nippon, which realistically are not happening. I agree with everything else on the list. And tbh CA could deliver all this content in the next 2 years.

@insearchofprometheus

23 күн бұрын

Araby would also be nice. Also finally making the Red Duke playable.

Monkey King and Jade Vampires are the only subfactions for Cathay that we need

@freddiewilliams3589

24 күн бұрын

I'd rather the monkey king was part of the Ind faction with cathay units included. It would help expand Ind lore and fit alongside their neutral beastmen theme.

@liofalba

24 күн бұрын

Jade Vampires seems unlikely now, which is sad.

I wouldn't mind Cathay being in a DLC if it means Miao Ying and Zhao Ming getting the overhauls they should've gotten in Shadows of Change. Cathay really only needs some beefier Infantry. The tiger men or Ogres would be neat, but like, the only thing Cathay really NEEDS is an overhaul to make Zhao Ming and Miao Ying more relevant to actually play. Yuan Bo makes them kinda irrelevant and was honestly the main thing that sold me on SoC. Would like to see Cathay, Kislev, and Tzeentch get the mechanics overhauls that would make them better (Kislev getting railroaded out of existence by Throt by turn 20 sucks, Kairos is a boring campaign in a rough starting place, and Zhao and Miao are irrelevant), but without those factions getting DLCs for them, it's completely unlikely we'd get overhauls for them. It's a bad financial investment to do a full overhaul if it's not to incentivize selling the new LLs. Would LOVE to see mini individual packs in the same style of ToD's broken up packs. For example, I (and potentially a group of other people) would LOVE to see a small $5-8 pack of Cult of Ulric with Boris Todbringer, a Hero, and a handful of units (even though we just got Elspeth).

The biggest surprise for me is that there’s no mention of any of the Legacy Races. Seems like cross game dlc would sell very well.

Ogre Kingdoms need more units added to their roster. Especially before other factions get as many alternative Ogre units as Ogre Kingdoms have in their main faction.

Two mercenary dlcs in a row is a bad idea on top of all the other bad ideas in this leak

I would be fine with these DLCs in concept if they weren't coming in succession or were implemented better. I honestly would prefer the following. 1. Slaanesh vs Dark Elves vs High Elves DLC. 2. Khorne vs Ogres vs Lizardmen DLC. 3. Champions of Chaos style Lord Pack/rework for Norsca. 4. Dogs of War FLC. 5. Cathay Tigerman and Cathay Monkey King mini-Lord pack DLC. 6. Nagash vs Neferata expansion. I am happy DoW are getting added in, but the Cathay overload isn't great especially when there are so many other factions in need of tlc.

Unrelatedly, one of my friends loves the changeling campaign and plays it often in multiplayer campaigns. I dont care for the demon factions personally, but i thought the changeling was something people liked.

Why cant things just go smoothly....

as long as this is not the end or at least near the end, i want to think this is fine i really don´t like the Dechala part because a High elf vs Dark elf vs Slaanesh DLC would been way better, i want to think the even if the dog of war is bad at least is going to serve to enrich the mod Southern Realms, but then again when things get bad moders usually stop moding so i am not sure if thinking that is good, if i could change anything right now i would make a double cathey vs ogre kindom dlc with the Tigerman legendery lord vs Monkey king vs the Maneater, make a better dogs of war as a proper race back as the Southern Realms race pack and make High elf vs Dark elf vs Slaanesh DLC a thing again, for what i see they are going to stop making three way dlc so maybe they are going to make a Khorne vs Slaanesh dlc, but still...

i feel like the odd man out in being excited to see more of the Dragon Siblings and Cathayan Ogres, the latter if only to make a lore accurate army for Zhao Ming, and the former because i want massive economy with Min Yin.

Doing a double cathay race dlc is a weird idea. Doing 2 is a bizarre idea. I could see ot if it was a Cathay vs Ogre dlc like we thought it was, and we get a FLC dragon or smth. The double MK dlc is just weird though. It could maybe have worked if it was like, Cathay vs Ind with 2 MKs fighting it out with each other, but double cathay again with a 3rd Cathay LL as flc is just even weirder.

@walter1383

24 күн бұрын

It's strange, none of the concepts for any of the proposed units and characters are bad, (sound quite cool actually); but the implementation and prioritization over more important aspects of the setting is nuts and downright financially suicidal.

I don't believe it why would they suddenly change to 2LL again after swearing up and down they're doing 3 for each DLC.

Doing an ogre dlc without yetis and thundertusks is a crime, would be so fucking disappointing

The smaller dlcs packs isn't just a financial decision, its also a marketing one. By releasing smaller dlcs more frequently WH3 will have greater presence on the steam store and get more sales. This is part of the reason why WH2 sold so well, it didn't sell that well on launch but rather over time because of its presence on the steam store, that and good reviews.

Depending on how much effort is put into it, Dechala being an flc lord could be a bit of a missed opportunity. The 2nd slaanesh lord shouldn't be an flc that likely wouldn't come with new units and abilities

Well obviously it makes sense to stop with the chaos factions after they did the thrones of decay, the other chaos lords never got their thrones of chaos books so why should total war get their content? (cries)

I don't really believe the leaks, but I like that they are rather precise in what they predict. So discussing them makes actual sense and we can determine properly weither they were correct afterwards.

If management of cA and Sega aren't sitting there and paying very close to this channel and legends we are doomed with the game.

Nippon vs Slaanesh: The Samurai and the Snake.

Do you think the execs are doing this strategically to kill the game so they can justify reallocating resources to the development of new IPs?

@KS-PNW

24 күн бұрын

That was my thought, smother WHTW so they can move on to 40k

Catahayan Ogres as a faction just sounds bad. Like Cathay has a tiger court and a monkey court, so i can understand implementing those. But they should be done together and then we should move on to Slaanesh/Khorne

So we're looking at 3 DLCs where Cathay gets 4 lords that aren't dragons, and the dogs of war. A single Slaanesh FLC lord as the entirety of support for chaos for, what, a year? Awesome, not like we needed any new units for slaanesh or khorne anyways I guess. I might get DoW depending on how they're going to work, but these cathayan DLC's can go ahead and do what they're meant to do; pull in Chinese money, not mine. Its really annoying, they got to a situation where consumers were happy with what they're getting for what they paid for finally, and here we are, switching up the formula AGAIN

I think people are blaming CA a bit too unfairly. Huge portion of this lies on GW. I actually believe the leak because of what Legend said about Kislev - that GW is essentially abandoning it because of IRL reasons, couple it with the rumors that Cathay for tabletop Old World is supposed to be shown pretty soon, it's starting to make sense

Dogs of War Mercenary Ogre Overhaul vs Monkey King should be the next DLC if they even care about this franchise Then they can get slanesh + other dlcs out of the way this year until they release IND and Khuresh next year (I loved shadows of change dlc btw)

The skaven meme lives...

The community needs to be very vocal that this isn't the way we want it to go maybe just maybe they will listen.

The DLC was so terrible for Three Kingdoms. Another thing is that in Three Kingdoms didn't have a campaign line for the ACTUAL THREE KINGDOMS START/FINISH. In stead they skip in for the much less popular time period after the three kingdoms when the princes of Jin fight for ownership of a country still basically on fire from the conflict the game was named after. The only thing they really did right with 3k imo was that the Nannman had some pretty neat stuff and I thought they had been very well done. Also the Princes period was with a China that had been devastated and the population reflects that with available officers.

We need a southern realms dlc with dogs of war..

Honestly I don't mind at all. I like the new creative content opening to new factions rather than a few LL for existing ones.

I just wanted the monkey king , wasn’t really expecting anything more for Cathay. Plus I don’t like that if this is true, monkey king won’t be right around the corner . I was already expecting the next dlc to be the monkey king and sometime this year

So correct about DOW- Should be a proper Southern Realms Faction - Tilea, Estalia and Border Princes.

WHERE IS THANQUAL

You know, at this point, maybe don't add Nagash, like, just don't, just don't please

Seems like maybe it's an old planning document. I doubt Cathay will have so many DLC back to back

We need Dogs of War, Khorne, Slaanesh, two Cathay DLCs, 2 Kislev DLCs, Noraca, Green Skins and High Elf DLCs, Ogre Kingdoms 2.0 DLC, another Empire DLC, Nagash as his own DLC faction, a Vampire DLC with Neferonda as the LL. Ind as a DLC faction would be pretty cool too and flesh out that section of the world. We also need the realms of Chaos in the immortal empires map and there's more then enough content for another Champions of Chaos DLC for Warriors of Chaos that'd add a bunch of units to their roster and the rosters of the 4 Chaos gods and add 4 new LLs to Warriors of Chaos. In the end will we see even a 1/4th of this? Probably not lol.

If this rumor is even remotely true then this REALLY feels like a rush to wrap things up and move on to the shinier IP's like 40k or Star Wars.

The funniest thing is that this game has at least easily 5 years of content if they just use current lore, not even mentioning if they would decide to go into some more fringe areas like Ind, Kuresh, Nippon etc.

We can't end this without thanquol.

I'm gonna be frank, I don't want more Cathay dlc yet. The ogres and even Daniel the demon prince need a lot of work. Not to mention the vampire counts could use a new lord and slight update as well. Cathay is fine and will probably a lot of fun to play, but we have so many other things to do right now that take priority.

@Booklat1

24 күн бұрын

doubt they'd add an ogre lord and not rework ogres though (after SoC fiasco they better know reworks are important)

If CA wanted so much of cathay we could have had the Jade vampires as a VC faction instead of everything for cathay directly

I’ve always wondered, can companies see metrics based on numbers of workshop downloads on their games? I’ve never understood why these big companies don’t look at the top downloaded mods and actually see what their fan base is interested in, then adapt it into the game on an official level in some sense with a price tag attached.

If we get Dechala as FLC, whats the chance we get one of the unaccounted for dragon empire's kids as a Slaanesh lord.

Khorn and Slaanesh really needs some flavour. Some other factions also needs some love.

the worst part is how much of cathay is being ripped from other factions. ind and ogres are being rolled into cathay. ind i mind less, since i'd rather that then no inclusion at all, but the ogre units should just be in ogres, and be recruitable by cathay via updated merc mechanics, just like it is now lol

As an Ogre Kingdoms player... wtf.

@KhorgosKhul

24 күн бұрын

As a Khorne guy, Ifeel the same.

Honestly I don’t mind khorne getting no more additions, the roster is mostly filled out for them other than maybe slaughter brutes, khornegors and some end times stuff. But I do think slaanesh is still due to get a dlc with wizard lords, melee heroes, boobsnake cav, slaangors and some monsters

I love the idea of the first 2 it will be mini race packs but with the meat of other factions to flesh them out i know change is scary

These could be leaks of early concepts. Like I could totally imagine this information being from before SoC release, but I can't imagine that CA would do this after how well they did with ToD.

@R3GARnator

24 күн бұрын

If you actually watch the videos, Lords of Shangyang is almost complete, and the other ones are at various stages of development.

I will riot if we don't get a Slannesh DLC... because it's the best chance we have for a High Elf and Dark Elf DLC xx But It's insane that people in Sega/CA looked at Thrones of Decay and thought to not try to replicate it's success for the remaining two Chaos gods. I don't think this is true, solely based on what I want to happen haha

I can see people buying the tiger men faction and skipping the ogre one. Assuming they let us buy them separately again. I think they will fill Ind and Khuresh. Dechala starting in Khuresh maybe?

My theory (and or hope) is CA being behind these "leaks" to test their new roadmap. And hopefully they'll see this and adjust course.

NORSCA? No one?

I wouldn't necessarily mind this if I knew for a fact that they were planning on making a lot more DLCs in the future, but the fact that they're still iffy on making a lot more content then no, I'm not stoked about this.

Also so many new player doing Multiplayer. The last DLC brought a bunch new players to the game. And if Thrones of Decay sold as much as Chaos Dwarfs, one of the best selling DLC s, it did super good. Perhaps not financially, but that is not the buyers fault.

I really like Cathay and sure they needed a few more units and lords, but I really think other races needed more attention first before Cathay got more stuff. Ogre, Norsca, Vamps and Lizardmen rework for example? And Dogs of War seems a bit small with only 9 units?? Slaanesh and Khorne DLC?