I kinda think military cartridges were actually designed for hunting. Just not the normal kind of hunting.

@dr.froghopper6711

11 ай бұрын

Not hunting-killing! The end result is the same.

@Mark_317

11 ай бұрын

Hunting the most dangerous game

@joesashiify

11 ай бұрын

They're all made for hunting, 🤣

@Ray-rw7nz

11 ай бұрын

The difference between military rifles and hunting rifles is that military rifles are designed to account for animals that shoot back.

@baconatordoom

11 ай бұрын

​@Ray-rw7nz The difference between the mass issued military rifles and ammo and civilian hunting rifles/ammo is that military rifles are generally not as accurate or high as quality as the game hunting/sporting specific rifles. At least when it comes to modern semi-auto rifles. Calibers really don't matter up to a certain point. It's all about shot placement. I use junk .762x39 soft points for hogs and white tail out of an old surplus Romanian beater. But in my location (the swamps and pine forrest of Southern Mississippi), taking a shot longer than 200 yards is extremely rare. So, a "military round" is more than enough.

The 30-06 is still the benchmark that most other cartridges are compared to. I have always had one and always will.

@newerest1

11 ай бұрын

it can be loaded as light as 110 grains and as heavy as 250 grains. the 3006 is incredibly versatile.

@brucerae5522

11 ай бұрын

But so was the original x57 cartridge 😂

@canuckmagnum5841

11 ай бұрын

@@newerest1 check the old Remington 55gr accelerator rounds in 30-06, crazy small and fast. Was a 55gr .22 in a sabot.

@jaydunbar7538

11 ай бұрын

Never had one, maybe some day I’ll get a old classic chambered in it as the budget becomes available.

@jaydunbar7538

11 ай бұрын

@@aniwayassong6183it’s a cartridge not a caliber, caliber is the diameter of the bullet and is shared across many cartridges. 30-06 is also a great cartridge for big game hunting, I’d use my 7 rem mag on grizzly because I have it but I wouldn’t have any issue taking my .270 or .308.

These are all great. The Swedish M96, 6.5x55 Mauser is another great long range cartridge.

@kyleciarametaro7448

11 ай бұрын

a favorite round of mine!!!

@almightybeerman

11 ай бұрын

Took my first deer with an M94 carbine war trophy from Vietnam. That thing is a pleasure to hunt with.

@georgeelijah1132

11 ай бұрын

The 6.5 CM is almost identical to the 6.5 Sweed and it’s killed everything that walks

@blainclatworthy5423

11 ай бұрын

I prefer the M38 Carbine in 6.5 x 55.

@boobookittyfuck3344

11 ай бұрын

I made a comment about exactly this caliber before I saw your comment. I loved that round. I hunted with a refurbished mauser with a custom Monte Carlo stock and took a lot of deer with it. The longest shots I ever took with it was at a range of about 250 yards while hunting over soybean fields. I cleanly took every deer I ever shot with it. Only one of them ran about 50 yards before dropping. The others dropped where they stood. I'm sure I could have stretched the range quite a bit, but never had to.

Did I just hear Ron Spomer say that the .308 was wonderfully effective? I think my hearing is going bad!

After WW1 a lot of Canadian soldiers brought their Lee Enfield rifles home with them, that were chambered in .303 British, and those became the iconic Canadian hunting rifle afterwards.

@j_rosenberg

11 ай бұрын

Similar thing in a lot of commonwealth countries, especially if they manufactured Lee Enfields and had surplus which never saw service such as those produced by Lithgow in Australia

@chiefjoseph8154

11 ай бұрын

To bad Canadians don’t have enough balls to stand up to Turdeau. You’ll lose that gun soon also.

@tacman2893

11 ай бұрын

Still is a main stay, the Lee Enfields in a variety of formats still are taking game.

@justacentrist4147

11 ай бұрын

Incorrect soldiers did not get to keep their personal rifles. when they got back to canada the rifles went back into arsenals and were eventually surplussed as new models were issued. After ww1 and ww2, ross rifles and older model enfields were cheap as chips as the government surplussed them. Canadians, many of them former soldiers purchased them for cheap. Even before ww1, early model Lee metfords were being surplussed and sold in canada as hunting rifles. The 303 cartridge was trusted powerful, and surpluss ammo was plentiful, especially as they made the transition from semi smokeless to cordite, then from cordite to stick powder. And when Canada moved to the 7.62x51 nato in the 60s again, the market was flooded with mrk 4 Enfields and lots of cheap ammo

@denisdignard3587

11 ай бұрын

I grew up in northern Ontario.. Many a dinners were served up because of the 303 hanging on the gun rack in are house.. Then in the early 70s he moved over to the 30-06.. And that put a lot moose dinners on the plate..

During the war(s) the Russians used the 7.62x54R. The Finnish copied the 7.62x54R after succeeding from Russia as the 7.62x53R. 7.62x39 used.311/.312 bullets as well but didn't see wide use till the RPD-44 SKS-45 came out.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

Beat me to it.

@warrengreen3217

11 ай бұрын

The 7.62-39 is not a .311 or.312 bullet it's a .308 bullet the 303British used a .311 or .312

@trkjivdlopmd

11 ай бұрын

@@warrengreen3217I looked it up just to make sure, but it is indeed between .309 to .311 For as long as I’ve remembered and by google

@warrengreen3217

11 ай бұрын

@@trkjivdlopmd all my reloading books got .308 and if u look closely at Ron paper work it say .308 for 7.62×39 and I never seen a .309 bullet on the market

@warrengreen3217

11 ай бұрын

@@trkjivdlopmd I take that back the 300savge was a .309 or .308 and 7.62×39 .308 to .311 which seems like a large difference

I think one of the best Military Cartridges for hunting, is the Swedish 6.5 x 55.

@annoyedchef7124

11 ай бұрын

It's used quite lot in Sweden and bit less in Finland and Norway for hunting. .308, 30-06 and 9,2x62mm are most common in Finland.

@gradyhernandez4699

7 ай бұрын

7.5 x 54 French

@gradyhernandez4699

7 ай бұрын

Yes,they hunt moose with a swede 6 5 x 55 mm in Scandinavia

When talking about the 6.5 family I'm really surprised you didn't mention the even more famous military round turned hunting-the 6.5x55 Swede.

@ronspomer4366

11 ай бұрын

I was focusing on rounds used in the Wars. Sweden, to my knowledge, was neutral in WWII. Did they participate in WWI? I don't think they did.

@jdibben29

11 ай бұрын

The Finnish used the ring bolt 6.5x55 swede Mauser pretty extensively in WWII. Sweden wasn't particularly neutral...they had their hands too full killing nazis in their own mountains to worry about attacking anyone else. At least I remember reading that somewhere

The AK-47 came out in 1947. The SKS was in introduced in 1945, along with the 7.62x39(originally designed in 1943). Also, the 7.62x54R was introduced in 1891, making it the longest serving military cartridge in history, still in service today.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

Hate to be that guy, but 45-70 is still issued as a blank for coast guard line throwing guns, apparently.

@Bhartrampf

11 ай бұрын

@@sinisterthoughts2896 45-70, I don't know if it is still issued at this present date though.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

​@@Bhartrampfthanks, a typo I fixed.

@Bhartrampf

11 ай бұрын

@@sinisterthoughts2896 I figured it was, I'm a member of the fat thumbs club myself 🤣

@williamperry01

8 ай бұрын

Russian trash was TRASH at it's inception, and it's still TRASH to this very day!!!! The history of russia on this planet, ANYTHING russian, needs to be relegated to the trashbin of history, from rifles to individual people, to the supposed land of russia itself, should be melted into one homogeneous glass ball from the fire of nuclear materials!!!!!

My 7x57 is a great round for anything I’ll ever hunt and my wife loves her 30-06 and has never lost a deer with it. I know plenty of hunters who’ve used most 20th Century military rounds for deer hunting and they’ve never complained about their ammo not getting the job done! Great video!

@user-bq9py6rf7t

3 ай бұрын

Privi Partisan makes good hunting 7mmx57 spitzerr soft points at a good price that are for hunters. The main reason for soft points is military FMJ's will go through trees and keep on going for amazing distances because they don't release their energy via mushrooming. Even AK fmj ammo has a range that carries. This is why we hunt with soft points. 7x57mm Mauser because it's an older design is tapered for great extraction and has an adequate powder charge without being of unnecessary magnum capacity that can beat you up. My opinion is the 7x57 is a cartridge way above it's time that is more than adequate for all North American game. This old cartridge isn't going away any time soon just like the 8x57 and 30 06.

The 6.5x55 Swedish mauser is a great round/gun. This caliber was favored for decades in 1,000 yds match shooting competitions. With a 129 gr loading, I get 2,950 to 3,150 fps, depending on powder. Very accurate and hard hitting, Ive taken deer to 450 yds and woodchucks out towards 500 yds.

@edwardkujawa

8 ай бұрын

how much noise though

@wiseguysoutdoors2954

8 ай бұрын

@@edwardkujawa no more noise than any other standard centerfire rifle

@edwardkujawa

8 ай бұрын

@@wiseguysoutdoors2954

@johnwilburn8319

5 ай бұрын

Made the 6.5 Creedmoor mundane!

Having grown up in South Africa I can tell you that I knew more local people hunting with 303 British than any other cartridge. Using old Lee Enfield rifles mostly. Everyone thinks African hunting is all 375-458 rifles, and they are popular, but more with visiting hunters. At least that was the case back in my day. (60s through early 80s)

The reason the 7.7x58mm Japanese and .303 British (7.7x56mmR) are very similar is intentional; the Japanese effectively took the .303 Brit and transitioned from a rimmed case for their Type 92 heavy machine gun to a rimless case so it could function better in the Arisaka action. The IJN even used the .303 Brit in many of their aircraft, since they produced and used a licensed Lewis gun (ironically labeled the Type 92 light machine gun) for the rear gunners of their dive bombers and torpedo bombers.

In regards to gun quality, a gun made earlier in the war is probably of higher quality than one made late in the war. This would be especially true for the Japanese and German rifles.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

And Russian. They definitely hammered those out as fast as possible, not as good as possible. During wartime, that is.

@gavinstevenson9853

11 ай бұрын

Aesthetic wise yea they may be rough, but safety and functionality they are safe, it would be counterproductive to give your soldiers rifles that were bad and unsafe

@toddk1377

11 ай бұрын

One of the biggest issues with surplus rifles were the ones shot using that era of corrosive ammo. I've seen beautiful Mausers and Mosins alike where the bore was terrible and full of pits due to the use and lack of cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo.

@39MercFlathead

10 ай бұрын

My father in law was a Navy Captain during WWII. During the surrender of Japan he was on a ship in Tokyo harbor. Among the war materials surrendered/confiscated was a case of German Mausers still in cosmoline that had been sent to Japan in 1937 as a gift recognizing the signing of the Anti-Comintern Pact, the original Axis treaty before Italy joined. As a ranking officer my father in law got one of the rifles as "war booty". He sporterized it with a Bishop stock and Bausch &Lomb scope in the 1950s, but you could tell the original machining was excellent. It is still the original 8x57 clambering and has accounted for many elk, several deer and a few antelope over the years.

30-40 Krag is a military cartridge that took a world record Elk. that record lasted for nearly all of the 20th century. I have my great grandfather's krag that I still hunt with today.

I just want to thank you for your content. Honestly, just watching you talk and share stories occasionally is calming. Good information. Wish there was more older outdoorsmen like yourself. Wide brimmed hats with a easygoing attitude towards the outdoors is a combination that feels lost over the years. Thank you Ron. Hopefully I can be the same for a later generation one of these days

@ronspomer4366

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, Austin.

6.5x55 Swedish is a Military round, one of my favorite for hunting.....i use the Russian 7.62x39 on just about anything and successfully so

Ron , back in 1968, my mom bought me a 7 x 57 and my dad a 8 x 57 at Macgomery ward,mine was 28.00 dollars and my dad’s was 32 dollars. I loved that gun still have it but I don’t shoot it much now. Just to let you know. Thanks for all the information you give us. Can’t wait for the next episode.

Ron, the Japanese Mauser action on the 7.7 Arisaka has been called the strongest action of any weapon in WWII - as long as you have one made before the second half of 1943. JES Reboring in Oregon told me he knew someone who tried to make the weapon break the action. They welded the end of the bore shut and fired 4 rounds before the stock broke. I got a sporterized early 1943 model for Christmas when I turned 13. It was a tack driver with iron sights. They make a great donor action for a .358 Win or .35 Whelen rebarrelling. FWIW, a 7.7mm is the metric equivalent of the imperial .303.

The 7.62x53R is the Finnish designation for the Russian 7.62x54R. The 7.62x53R was largely loaded with .308 bullets, while the 7.62x54R was largely loaded originally with.310 and .311 bullets. The Russian Mosin-Nagant rifles are definitely like you described, varying bores, lower quality, etc. If you can get your hands on a Finnish rebuilt Mosin-Nagant, especially the M39, grab hold of it. Those are fine specimens of what the Mosin-Nagant is capable of. I picked up one with an antique receiver, originally built in 1893 in Russia and rebuilt last in Finland by Sako in 1948. It shoots 1.5MOA easy with modern handloads from an amateur reloader (me) using Hornady 150gr SST and H380 powder. It put several deer in my freezer over the years, up until 2020, when I decided to get something that isn't an antique. I still take it out of the safe for a few target shots because the only downside is the 90° bolt turn for me

7x57 Mauser is the best cartridge ever devised by man for both war and hunting medium to large game. No one will ever change my mind on that. It's versatility is superb. The 7.65x53 is also an absolutely superb hunting round. I have a Model 1891 Mauser chambered for it that is one of the most accurate rifles I have ever fired. I would not hesitate to hunt anything in North America with it.

Excellent show. The reason for the very low chamber pressures in the US 8mm Mauser loadings is because the manufacturer never knows if this will be chambered in a .318 or .323 barrel. A .323 cal bullet is used, but at 35k psi to prevent an unplanned disassembly of the rifle. I have 2 "guild gun" Mausers, both pre WW II conversions of a WW I K98. One had a button passed through the bore to turn it to roughly .323 and the neck was reamed to allow for case mouth expansion. That one I shoot full power 8mm loads. In the other though, it has a .318 bore and the neck has not been opened. That one I use those 35k PSI loads (yes, with .323 bullets, they draw down). I love the rifle with its "butter knife" bolt handle and nearly every inch of metal engraved or faceted. I don't want to ruin it with a full power load. So anyway, there is a long winded reason why you saw the 8mm Mauser load only developing 35k PSI.

@aulusflavius9635

11 ай бұрын

Also, just to add... my grandpa bought a 6.5 Carcano artillery carbine for my uncle when he was a kid. After a little bubafacation, it was ready for a 10 year old. My cousin has it now and I loaded some nice loads for it. It is now his favorite small blind gun. My various Swedish Mausers have also been used to take deer, that 6.5 Swede just hits them like the hammer of Thor. I also have an 03-a3 I would like to take a deer with. Those old military cartridges are great for hunting with. Just use a modern bullet. ;)

@fedup3582

11 ай бұрын

Your butter knife handled rifle sounds like one I had. I really liked it but it wouldn't group worth shucks.

@joesutherland225

11 ай бұрын

303 or 3006 either work well on all game up here just vary your loads a bit for game on the hunt

@Bhartrampf

11 ай бұрын

They still make the .318 cartridges, I don't remember off hand what the different markings are, I think one is a S and the other isn't. Anyways, just get the proper ammo for the small bore and let'er rip .

@aulusflavius9635

11 ай бұрын

@@Bhartrampf I have several boxes each of two different 7.92 J loads. One old S&B and one is a remanufacturing company from out west. The remans are .318 and very light loads. The S&B are stepped bullets measuring .323 at the case mouth and are also very light loads. Both are 170 RNSPs. I found a published reduced pressure load using IMR 4198 and a .323 170 grain bullet and found that to be pretty accurate out to 200 yards. Minute of boiler room on a white tail anyway. I am considering having the neck and throat opened up to JS specs. That will greatly reduce the chances of a RUD if any JS ammo finds its way into that rifle.

7.62x39 compares pretty well with 30-30. Very nice little round out of a short, light bolt action. Getting good factory ammo is the biggest issue.

@crohkorthreetoes3821

10 ай бұрын

Hertzers soft points perform well. But wolf hollow point is surprisingly effective. It mushrooms well with minimal fragmentation. It usually loses the jacket , but nbd round under the skin on the far side of the target at 75 yards.

@scbane

10 ай бұрын

Prvzi Partisan makes some good PSP loads in 7.62x39, available online for around $20/box.

@jerroldshelton9367

8 ай бұрын

7.62 x 39 is a nice round, and it probably compares well with old-school blunt-nosed .30-30 loads, but I don't think it can match modern .30-30 performance potential afforded by Hornady Leverevolution ammo and the components needed to duplicate it with handloads. Here's what that ammo does out of my 20" barreled Marlin 336: 160 grain FTX M (velocity/energy) 100 200 300 400 2380/2013 2176/1683 1983/1397 1801/1152 1631/945 That 400 yard number-set is instructive. That's the same average energy that my former 170 grain Speer Hot Core load delivered at 200 yards. It's enough power to kill elk out to 200 yards with proper shot placement. I don't think a 7.62 x 39 can be made to deliver that kind of power..

@wingracer1614

6 ай бұрын

@@jerroldshelton9367 People severely underestimate 30-30. Is it 30-06? No of course not but good loads blow away things like 7.62x39 or 30 carbine which most people compare it to.

@jerroldshelton9367

6 ай бұрын

@@wingracer1614 I was one of them, in spite of having a great uncle who lived in the Alaskan bush from 1920 to 1955 and used an 1894 Winchester in .30-30 to kill his moose and caribou with. He used three loads in that rifle. He used a 170 grain W-W Silvertip for moose and caribou, When doing his gold prospecting or when out fishing he loaded up with 160 grain Dominion FMJ (Yeah, full-metal jacket) ammo for bear defense. He told me that he used to be able to buy reduced power and velocity loads that he shot hares and other small edible thngs with. My uncle Bob used a Model 94 in .30-30 to successfully hunt javalina, pronghorn, feral goats, blacktail deer, mule deer, feral hogs, caribou, and elk. When I was 11 years old, we were up at our cabin getting things ready for the upcoming deer season, and uncle Bob said he was going to miss the first two weeks of the season because he was going on a Wyoming pronghorn hunt. "So, what's your new rifle going to be?" I asked, not believing that anybody would go on a pronghorn hunt with a .30-30. "I've got an old white T-shirt," he said. "So, what in the hell do I need a different gun for"? I didn't understand the significance of that until I went on my first pronghorn hunt some years later, and saw how a white T-shirt could "lure" a herd of speed-goats well within .30-30 range. When Bob returned to the family hunting camp, he returned with photos of his successful pronghorn hunt. My great uncle John was born in 1900. He had a completely different view of the .30-30 than gun scribes of the 1970s did. To him, the .30-30 was as powerful and flat shooting a round as open metallic sights allowed him to make use of. As a kid, I watched him whack many a California high desert and Utah mule deer with his open-sighted Model 1894 in .30-30 at 175, 200, or 250 yards. What I never saw him do was shoot more than once.

Most people used military surplus rifles to hunt with. Teddy Rosevelt used a 30-06 to take an elephant.

Another underrated military cartridge which became a popular hunting round, especially in Europe, is the Swedish 6.5 x 55. It also has a following in Africa. Thanks for another great video !

@Adrian_3006

11 ай бұрын

Agree. Swede is very capable!!

@gsnicholas8522

11 ай бұрын

It has a following in the states too, by those in the know.

@PassivePortfolios

11 ай бұрын

@@gsnicholas8522 yes, but to a lesser extend than in Europe. The 6.5 CM is the US version if the 6.5x55 Swede. The Swedes and Norwegians had the right idea way back in 1894, with a round very much ahead of its time.

@gsnicholas8522

11 ай бұрын

@@PassivePortfolios I never claimed it to be as prominent here as in Europe. Also, it was created earlier than 1894.

@PassivePortfolios

11 ай бұрын

@@gsnicholas8522 it was accepted as the military round in 1894 if you want to get technical. Thanks for you commentary.

.308, .30-06, 6.5x55 Swede are “military” cartridges that I use. All are superbly effective on deer and have used the -06 on moose, caribou, black bear and grizzly. My pet rifle is a custom 6.5x55 Swede with 131gr bullets that was made in 1900. Wonderful opportunities using military cartridges.

@edwardkujawa

8 ай бұрын

the 308 win and sprfld 06 are very close 308nmax 200 grn 30.06 220by co theythey aewimpmparison

I remember those enfields being $120 at the gun shows. Hell i remember $200 m1's from the cmp!

@aulusflavius9635

11 ай бұрын

My dad used to tell me about the $5 barrels filled with foreign surplus rifles at the hardware stores.

I'm new to rifle hunting and rifles in general. Your videos are very helpful to a guy like myself. Thanks for all you do with your videos.

@jaydunbar7538

11 ай бұрын

Welcome to the fun zone, had a rifle in my hand since I was a kid and still learning about it.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

Welcome to it, there always something new to learn.

@edwardkujawa

8 ай бұрын

he is not telling the reason why military ammuntion isnt really good corrosive primrs one thig and bullets used are non expanding rounds they wee designed to put a hole in you and kill as wellbut dont expand theythey aewimp theythey aewimp theythey aewimp theythey aewimp theythey aewimp

Now that was interesting and informative. If it has been hunted it has been hunted with the 30-06 successfully. Think of all the new/newer cartridges that came from old military cartridges.

I have a 1903A4 and been hunting with it for 35 + years . And 303 and 7.62x54R all grate deer hunting riffel's

Fascinating. Thanks for all the great research, Ron. I’ve often wondered how they compare.

My dad dropped a deer with a 7X57 Mauser, another military rifle. He was using surplus ammo because it was inexpensive. Small hole going in, small hole coming out, and same size hole through the 8 inch pine tree behind the deer, and no idea where the bullet stopped, or how many other things it went through on it's way to the ground. Not a good idea to use a FMJ military bullet for hunting game animals. Good expansion is a good idea for a number of reasons. Heck of a nice rifle though.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

7mm mauser is an absolutely fine cartridge.

@MrPh30

11 ай бұрын

And ,7x57 can use 180 and heavier bullets if need be . Swift Aframe 160 is a fine brush bullet

@jaydunbar7538

11 ай бұрын

That’s why I prefer an elevated position, the bullet is going in the dirt. As a MN whitetail hunter it’s not an issue as the heard comes through every day around 9am and 4pm, it’s finding the bucks in the area that posses a challenge.

My first buck fell to a British .303 in 1978.

Great video. I have taken deer with 303 Brit, 7.92x57, 7.62x39, 45-70, 7.62x54R, 6.5x55 (Swede) and the 30-06. None of the deer went beyond 40 yards. I reload all my ammo and it is loaded to (or as close as I can get) to military weight and velocity. This keeps my sights close to point of impact.

@johnwurfel2862

11 ай бұрын

Now take them with 9mm Luger, .45 ACP, and 5.56x45mm and your journey to the dark side will be complete.

@russellmoore1046

10 ай бұрын

I love the video but wish you had mentioned the 30-40 Krag as a comparison to the others it was created in that same time period.

@Alex.2014.

8 ай бұрын

I recently bought a 45-70 and I was thinking of using it this deer season. Have any suggestions on a good ammo for deer hunting? All I have is some 410 grain fmjs my uncle gave me when I bought the rifle

@russellmoore1046

8 ай бұрын

@@Alex.2014. Any of the factory 300 gr loads will work fine if you don't reload and Remington makes a 405 grain soft point that is a very good as well.

@Alex.2014.

8 ай бұрын

@@russellmoore1046 thanks for the advice

My first rifle for hunting was a 98 Mauserthat worked just fine taking deer here in Kommifornia. Later I had the chamber lengthened and improved and I had me a 8 mm/06 improved. It shot extremely well and I used it for Elk very successfully. What most people don’t realize is that a cartridge/rifle combination is just a tool to get a job done. Once that bullet leaves the muzzle, it doesn’t know what cartridge case or rifle it came from. The performance of a cartridge really boils down to the ability of the guy or gal that pulls the trigger. I’m sure you have heard the old saying, “ beware of the man, or woman, with only one rifle”!

@neonjoe6180

5 ай бұрын

Rifle, Shotgun and a Pistol,what else do ya need!!😂😂😂

I'm used to seeing a Mosin Nagant chambered in 7.62x54mmR (rimmed). I remember Cabelas selling the rifles for $59. "Beware of the man who has one gun. Chances are, he knows how to use it." I remember the old USMC days. Marines would say "I'm a government hunter." When asked what they hunted the answer was; "Other governments', Government Hunters" PS: I always learn a lot from your videos and am challenged to think. Thank you and please keep them coming.

@tonywoconish6695

8 ай бұрын

🗣SEMPER FI 🇺🇸🤠1976-1982. USMC.

I was pretty sure the Russian is a 7.62x54R

@cw2a

11 ай бұрын

Yup. Russian is a 7.62 x 54R. 765x53 is a different caliber. Argentine Mausers. Also a 310/311 bullet about same power ad the 308/7.62

@berettanut

11 ай бұрын

7.62x53 was a Finnish round based on the Russian 7.62x54

@mikenstien1861

11 ай бұрын

I know more than a couple of people that love to hunt with mosins.

@aulusflavius9635

11 ай бұрын

There is also the x53R made by the Finns for their Mosins. If the rifle is stamped with a D, the bore is .311, otherwise it is most likely (notice, most likely) a .308 bore. In a D stamp bore, you can freely shoot either, but your accuracy may suffer with .308 bullets in a .311 bore.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

​@@cw2ahe said 7.62x53mmR, which is the Finnish loading for the Mosin nagant, they called it so to help distinguish the rounds, he did not say 7.65x53mm, which was actually the export round, and used by Belgium in 1889, Turkey in 1890, and then the Argentinians in 1891. I happen to own examples of all the listed calibers.

The Japanese 7.7 x58mm was more prolific than the older 6.5x50mm. The Type 99 in 7.7 was the standard issue battle rifle and their aircraft were fitted with the 7.7 machine guns.

@schottiey

11 ай бұрын

I've personally shot a doe with a 7.7 150 grain Hornady SST at about 50 yds, not only did she go down, she went down quick it looked like someone was using a milk jug to pour out the blood.

@frosty3693

11 ай бұрын

@@schottiey The Arisaka would have been very popular in the US with all the bring homes if not for it's odd safety.

The 7.62 x 39 was also the chambering for the SKS which, I believe, predated the AK-47.

Ron, great videos appreciate all the content. For hunting what type of cartridges (e.g expanding, bonded, etc) are best to conserve the meat when hunting. I've seen some rather destructive ammo out there nowadays. Thanks again, Karl

Spot on Ron! Go a bit farther back and you'll find the .30/40 aka .30 Army. Shot a pile of whitetails with that in both granddads Winchester Model 95 {military surplus) and a Springfield '98 Krag (also a military surplus rifle albeit sporterized). Both light recoiling and very accurate within their range.

I've learned so much from ya Ron. Can't wait to pass on what I learned.

@michaelhennegan9637

11 ай бұрын

You should read the old books by Bob Hagel, Jack O’Conner, and Jim Charmichael. You will be amazed and know where Ron gets his material.

Oh boy! Ron, they are going to go crazy with the corrections! I love your content and don’t care about simple mistakes. Keep up the good work!!!

On advice from CSM who was the Game Warden at the military base on my island my father bought a .308 Winchester from Dicks Sporting Goods for $99.00. The rent for our home at the time was $20.00 a month. 1960- 62 or so. He then gave my father 1,000 rds of military ammo to hunt with. My Uncle who was in the reserves/National Guard bought a 30-06 and a 7mm08. Plus he carried the 1911A1 .45 acp issued him in Korea then early stages Vietnam. My Uncle retired with his .30 cal Carbine and his 1911A1 .45 acp which he gave me in 1980. I have it till this day. 40 plus years later. Runs like a Swiss Watch mechanically. He loaned it to a friend who returned it rusty and missing its ivory handles. Besides the new mags I got from Kimber the grips were the only things replaced. I still have the two original mags as souvenirs. Ive carried it on execution of search warrants as a Deputy Sheriff. No one has ever moved after hearing old Betsy send a FMJ downrange. She talks louder than that sissy 9mm pistol we're issued. Its worth the butt chewing I got every time. You brought back some fond memories. Theyre all gone home to Jesus. But Betsy still lives in my safe eager for her next range day. Thank you, Aloha

Ron the x53 r was the Finnish refurbished capture rifle and they were .308 bore the X54R was Russian and the varied bore wise

The 30-06 is a prime hunting cartridge even today.

6.5 carcano was popular hunting cartridge in Texas in 1960s

Forgotten Weapons did a video on some of the Arisaka rifles that were brought back after the war. Turns out that some were actually training rifles that were not designed to handle full powered rounds. That caused a number of accidents when the unknowing tried to use them.

Hell, the 5.56Nato round started as a varmint round adapted to military use.

@jaydunbar7538

11 ай бұрын

That’s not true, it was developed to meet the criteria of the military trials and then marketed as a sporting rifle prior to its military adoption.

@student1979oct

11 ай бұрын

@@jaydunbar7538 the round, not the weapon. It started as the.222 Rem

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@jaydunbar7538 no, it was a varmint cartridge first. The rounds that went into it, and even the .223 was saami accepted right before military acceptance.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

​@@jaydunbar7538here's a quote for ya, "In September 1963, the .223 Remington cartridge was officially accepted and named "Cartridge, 5.56mm ball, M193". The specification includes a Remington-designed bullet and the use of IMR4475 powder which resulted in a muzzle velocity of 3,250 ft/s (991 m/s) and a chamber pressure of 52,000 psi.[5]"

7.62x63 mm is perfect for deer hunting.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

Im not familiar with it.

I enjoy your efforts. Please keep up the good work.

Deer culling during the 1950's and 60's in New Zealand used army surplus .303 rifles and ammo. They filed the tips down on the full metal jacket ammo so they would open up on impact. Some top shooters killed 100 red deer in a day before helicopter meat hunting got the numbers under control.

6.5Carcano was a great cartridge with modern bullets but it just never caught on in the USA.

@jacobmullins3644

11 ай бұрын

well the assassination of jfk with it didn't help

@RoddyPaul

10 күн бұрын

@@jacobmullins3644 good advert, accurate and fatal

@RoddyPaul

10 күн бұрын

@@jacobmullins3644 a good advert, accurate and fatal

I love your shows Ron, I watch them all! Question: do other countries have the cartridge development for the commercial market like the US has? I mean the sheer volume of different options for cartridges like the US. I would imagine not, because the US has more freedom with owning firearms, but I just wanted your take on it. Thank ya sir!

@ronspomer4366

11 ай бұрын

I believe the US is unique in the volume of its cartridge development. Brits and Germans used to be on par into the mid-20th century, but anti-gun sentiment, I suspect, has slowed that. Norma of Sweden has been developing new cartridges.

My Howa 1500 in 7.62*39 does a neat job on whitetails. Of course i keep the shots at 100 yards or less (for me at least) but ive never needed more than one shot. Great video as always!

Ron you always have a great show, i have my great uncle's 8 mm that my dad send home after ww2 from Germany he had it reworked to looked like a modern rifle but still a 8mm Mauser he died in 1975 has bin used since then, he to ok a lot of deer with it. & he could have aford the one of the best gun made. But it was his pride & joy to show it it off every deer season, but you forgot to tell people learn to shoot what you have. You have a grate show. Keep up the good work.

Literally every popular hunting cartridge was a military cartridge basically until the .30-30. So .50-70 .45-70 6mm Lee navey .30-40 Krag and .30-03 were all used immediately for hunting. This was same for every early European cartridge as well. This whole concept of military equipment as special is very very modern!!! Just a ridiculous idea indeed!

@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073

11 ай бұрын

I use a 7.62x39 bolt gun for hunting deer. dose everything I need it too. pretty much the same ballistically as a 30-30.

@Puma1Sunfire1

11 ай бұрын

Long as it's got the power to quickly/cleanly kill and you're accurate with that ammo, I think that's far more important than if it's military or hunting designed

@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594

11 ай бұрын

Back in the '60's & '70's here in the deer woods of Northern Pennsylvania many of the common firearms were .30-30's and most of the military calibers you mentioned; especially the .30-06. .

@danielcurtis1434

11 ай бұрын

@@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594 yeah that was every cartridge the US adopted for standard use. I omitted a 58 caliber rimfire cartridge fir the short lived 1865 Springfield. I did this because it appears that no significant civilian sake’s occurred. But starting with .50-70 every cartridge that’s been adopted (or entertained) has been popular with the public!!! I’d love a 6mm Lee navey if I lived in 1910sh. It’s basically the only Mach 2.5 cartridge available at the time (1895). I think it was a sweet cartridge ballistics are a bit like 6mm ARC. I’d love a repro or better yet an original one…

@timl8302

11 ай бұрын

@@Puma1Sunfire1 .270 Winchester has always a hunting cartridge.

My understanding has been that the 7.7 was mostly issued to the Imperial Marines as they were big guys and the recoil was a bit to much for the standard troops.

@12jazion

11 ай бұрын

Big and Japanese WW2 soldier do not go along, the Rifles were almost as tall as the soldiers carrying them. They were fed mostly rice and averaged around five foot three and a half inches tall and average weight was 116 to 120 lbs. Even today most Japanese are quite short but they are taller than they used to be due to more food being available these days.

7.62x39 is my favorite whitetail/hog cartridge. The Federal Power-Shok load is an absolute hammer.

@sdriza

8 ай бұрын

Nothing as fun as hogs with an AK...

Good job Ron. Thank you. Cheers.

The best military cartridge used for hunting is the 8x56mmR Mannlicher, used by Austria, Hungary, and Bulgaria since 1930, it's still used by civilians in those countries, and outperforms even the .30-06 Springfield. And about the Japanese, they had the 6.5x50mm Arisaka since 1889 first used in the Type 22 Arisaka, the 7.7x58mm Arisaka appeared only in 1932 for the Type 92 Machine Gun.

@fedup3582

11 ай бұрын

The 7.7 jap was chambered in some sort of bolt rifle, In my teens, a classmate had one he hunted deer with.

@fedup3582

11 ай бұрын

The 8x56R does not outperform the 06, it is more on the order of the 8x57 with a 206 gr bullet at 2300 fps.

@Winkler_B_Rudolf_1911

11 ай бұрын

Maybe modern PPU 8x56mmR loads are less powerful, but old Austrian 1938 and Bulgarian 1940 loads were much hotter. And about the 7.7x58mm Arisaka, it's the Type 99 from 1939.

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

It's a good round but not as powerful as the 30-06 by a decent margin. As in several hundred feet per second in the same weights. There were machine gun only loads for some old military rounds which can be dangerously hot for the rifles, but even those shouldn't exceed 30-06. It's just simple geometry, the 30-06 has a ton more powder capacity than most these other rounds, about 10 grains more than the Austrian. The 30-06 was WAY over built for the job, enough so it was replaced. I'm not sure how you can get the Austrian to outperform the 30-06 with drastically less propellant, and a worse ballistic coefficient.

@fedup3582

11 ай бұрын

@@Winkler_B_Rudolf_1911 i doubt that. The case capacity is notably smaller than the 06,so even "hot" loads would fall short.

Missed the 6.5x55 Swede, how could you 😂

@WayStedYou

11 ай бұрын

27:50

Thanks Ron for the great Information

Thanks for sharing the 6.5 Arasaka as a hunting cartridge. It’s my favorite deer cartridge in the T/C Contender, duplicates the 6.5 JDJ round from J. D. Jones. Incredible accuracy with the Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip bullet @ 2400 fps.

@RowdyBorders-ni3ti

6 ай бұрын

My tc is 35 rem enjoy ❤

I think folks extrapolated the war rules for ammo and reversed the definitions. ps: the 6.5 Swede is still used on Nordic moose.

I think most forget that early military rounds were also used in aircraft.

Love your insight. Just so you know, I’m on the Washington coast and we never see a 200 yd shot in our thick brush. I have a Ruger American in 7.62x39 and none of the deer in my freezer said that it’s not enough power to work. I’ve never had one go more than 40yards and never taken a second shot. Hunting is about getting to the game. Last year’s buck was taken at 12 yards. 😎

I have hunted successfully for years with the 6.5x55, 7mm Mauser, 8mm Mauser, 7.62x54R, 303, 30-06, 308. They all will take deer, hogs, most things out there. Yes, I handload all my hunting ammo. These were sporterized rifles. The 6.5x55, the 8mm were built from Vz24 actions. The 7.62x54R was extremely modified and is extremely accurate. The 303 was in original configuration, no scope, and I was young and had eagle eyes then. The 30-06 and 308 were used rifles that got transformations as project guns, new barrels, triggers, stocks, etc. All of these cartridges are excellent. I think Ron was meaning the 7.62x54R (The Russian cartridge used in WW1 and WW2) but was saying 7.62x53R (a Finnish take on the Mosin Nagant).

I have a British 303. Killed my first deer with it as a teenager. Still have the gun after 50 years.

I think the AK-47 started around 1948, that maybe helped the 7.62x39

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

Ak47 is from 1947, hence the name. The round was the model 1943, designed for their next battle rifle the SKS(1945).

@pb_zep3838

11 ай бұрын

@@sinisterthoughts2896 they worked on it from 46 to 48, the ruskies adopted it in 49, so when I say 'around 1948' that's close enough for government work, 😂😂😂 I do feel silly though, it's right in the name

Propellants have come along ways since that time as well. Did not dig into it, but I would not overlook that availability, sensitivity, and reliability of propellants/primers may have alot to do with the lower cartridge pressures of those discussed.

one of your best vids Ron....loved it....BTW my family has a 7.7 Jap that we did try as a deer rifle....try is the key word.....I still have the darn thing

Out to 300 yards I consider the 8x57 Mauser as lethal as a 338 Win Mag. Once past 300 yards I treat the 8x57 as I would a 308Win with a heavy bullet. I like the 196gr. soft points spitzers and boat tails and the 180gr. Barnes TSX are fantastic. The Nosler 180gr. Ballistic Tip hunting bullet is great too.

if it can kill a man, it can kill pretty much anything that isn't considered 'very big game'

@sinisterthoughts2896

11 ай бұрын

True enough.

Great talk about how people have been able to adapt. For deer it doesn't take that must energy to cleanly kill them on shots taken inside 125 yards. Moose on the other hand, requires some serious punch. A forgotten military round that lost out to the 'new .30-03' is the .30-40 Krag.

Really love the 3 especially the 03 and 06 plus the 8x57

ANY cartridge, regardless of its original intent, can be "converted" to an effective hunting cartridge with the right bullets. I have shot many hogs here in Texas using "military" cartridges, .308 and 7.62x39. Have shot coyotes with a "military" cartridge, 5.56/.223. I hear people say the 6.5 Creedmoor is NOT good for hunting because it was designed as a "long range target round, nonsense. Is the 6.5 Creedmoor a "great" cartridge, debatable, is it a dog of a cartridge, not at all, it is a good medium size game cartridge.

@lrac7751

11 ай бұрын

Had a few people tell me the creedmoor wasn’t good for hunting, i don’t talk about hunting with those people anymore, the bullet design is a little more important than the idea in the cartridge designers head lol

@ErickaC-mc7vg

11 ай бұрын

@@lrac7751 Yes indeed, bullet design makes all the difference.

My deer rifle is an old yugo m48 and it does quite well in the mountains of North Idaho on white trails.

7.62x39 is an excellent short to medium range deer hunting round. It's my go-to all around cartridge.

I've used the Lee-Enfield,since I was 12,and I'm 72,now. Still have a No4Mk 1,that was refurbed at Fazurkely,in 1948,with a heavier match barrel. I load 174 HPBT .311 bullets with 40gr,Hogdens H414,...great groups.

I used to hunt with a fella in Missouri that used a 303 British for deer. It was an old military rifle with iron sights. He was deadly with that thing out to 300 yd

I had an Arisaka in 7.7 that someone did a nice restoration job on. It even retained the chrysanthemum stamp on the receiver. I added a monopod and dust cover, but I never fired it despite a report in "Hatcher's Notebook" that described the amazing strength of the Arisaka receiver, which survived torture testing that destroyed such vaunted receivers as the Mauser 98. This is because the restoration did not strengthen the rifle; it merely removed the visible pitting. Underneath the wood the pitting was more pronounced and gave some indication of the poor state it must have been in at one point. I agree with you, if in doubt about the safety of firearm, have it inspected by someone knowledgeable on the subject. Regrettably, outside of a laboratory, I doubt very many people have the necessary skills or tools to perform a valid inspection of strength and tolerances (aside from a go/no-go gauge in the chamber).

I have a Ruger American bolt action rifle chambered in the 7.62x39mm but I use 154 grain hunting load.

Hi Ron I had an 8 x 57 mauser and I loaded 200 gr in that cartridge and I will tell you out to 400 yds I could literally knock down anything I shot several moose in British columbia elk in alberta Canada I even shot a bison for a farmer dropped him like a stone incredible hunting cartridge matched up very well to my 3006 very smooth action was happy with it

Thank you for your great info ! I remember you from hunting with Hank ! LOL keep up the great work

Hi Ron my calibers I own and trust 303 British, 6.5x55 swede and 223 Rem. With these i can do all from target to hunting in South Africa

In florida, deer and hogs, depending on where im hunting, i carry an ar in either 300blk or 6.5 grendel. Once in a while when im feeling nostalgic i take the old .35 rem or the 7mm/08 lever guns, but they are heavy compared to an ar!

Cool video thanks.

I have a Leanfield that comes in 303. My dad was a Korean veteran and used his hunting. These rifles were popular in the Commonwealth countries after the war.

Thank you very much for such a beautiful video. Greetings from a hunter from Europe. Oh yes, 8x57 works very well in hunting...

8x56R Hungarian also, in the M95. Its a hammer and fast brush rifle.

My dad has 2 8x57 Mausers. I think one was turned in ‘38 & the other in ‘42. Collector’s items as far as I’m concerned because of the various markings on them. Definitely assembled for the war effort.

Excellent video 👍👍

I bought a sported Arisaka in 6.5 Japanese that’s got some really ingenious modifications for hunting at a gun show for like 80 bucks last year. You can’t get the ammunition for it really but it’s got the Mum which I think is pretty interesting.

Ron, from a former South Dakota farm boy, 7.65x53 is a Mauser cartridge invented by Paul himself for the Belgian 1889. It was also adopted by the Ottoman Empire and most notably Argentina and several other South American nations. The Mosin Nagant cartridge is 7.62x54r also used by Finland.

Ron great video. I have hunted with Mil Surplus rifles . 8mm CZ 98/22 toppled a a big doe with it the other caliber is a 7.5 x 55 Swiss. In a K 31 a very accurate rifle but it's heavy.

@ArnieD17

11 ай бұрын

Considering buying a K31 but the prices are really going through the roof with good reason, unfortunately.

@clintonlayne9253

11 ай бұрын

@@ArnieD17 They certainly have Sky rocketed .I bought mine for 89.00 at Dunham's. And another for 99.00 . Unfortunately I sold it. Words of advise on Military Surplus hold on to them and don't sporterize them. lol Have you seen the Increase price of Remington 760's . They have nearly doubled in my Area.

Also the 6.5X55 Swede is a popular round today

My cow! Have killed everything that walks or crawls in the south east US using.30-06 in WW-I and WW-II USGI rifles. Recently came up with a pretty little .30-40 Krag infantry rifle. Got some old school vintage ammunition as well as dies and components to hand load for this rifle. I will be using it for deer in the fall.

I've seen a lot of deer harvested with the .303 Britsh. A cousin of mine used the 6.5 Japan until he graduated to the .30-06. His Dad offered to my Dad for me to start hunting, but Dad thought he was asking too much. I ended up with a .30-30 to start.

Three rounds that started out as military rounds, were well used and accepted, are the 7x57 Mauser, 45-70, and 30-40 Krag. All developed in the 1800s, and in use today in new rifles!