I'd like to clarify that the Subaru F1 engine came before Subaru's dominant run in the World Rally Championship in the 1990s. The way the video was laid out made it seem the other way around. What other crazy engines would you add to the list? 👀

@DBerwick

5 ай бұрын

Developed for Coloni F1 by Motori Moderni, the engine was under funded and under-developed. Subaru was brought in and bought the naming rights for the engine. Subaru played no real role in it's development. Subaru simply provided money to MM. The engine continued to be under-developed and the chassis it was in was terrible.

@Veikra

5 ай бұрын

The ISUZU F1 V12

@hannukoistinen5329

4 ай бұрын

Whits Subaru you will beat American V-8??@@DBerwick

@user-wj7id1zu7e

4 ай бұрын

Crazy how the Subaru Flat-12 was almost used to power the Koenigsegg CC

@Ramsi-Berlin

4 ай бұрын

From two VR8 engines of the VW Passat they build the W16 from the Veyron/Chiron ❕️😃 I think the VR Layout is pretty genius 👌🏼 Love from Berlin 🇩🇪 Ramsi 🙋🏻‍♂️

i hate the ''last one is insane so stick around" BS

@lemoneleven2179

5 ай бұрын

You aint the only one

@duhdardar624

5 ай бұрын

i know shit is goofy to me like i can just skip to that shit lmao it’s not a tv show

@wammett1240

5 ай бұрын

Womp womp

@BigGuy10Points

5 ай бұрын

I just started the video. Is it crazy?

@whosthatguy9

5 ай бұрын

💯

Should have covered Honda's V5, used in MotoGP It used a 75.5° bank angle and the rod journal for the center piston was offset 104° from all the others, perfectly offsetting the primary imbalances that a v5 would normally have

@kevinparchman4444

3 ай бұрын

Yes and I would have included the NSR750 as well. One had success, the other not so much.

What about the 12 rotor engine currently being rebuilt by Rob Dahm?

@oussama4629

5 ай бұрын

if it's not working. don't talk about it

@mikeyhendri

4 ай бұрын

​@@oussama4629 it dit run. There is proof on youtube. Rob is making it better by rebuilding it. So jeah, the 12 rotor is the craziest engine

@cxpcman

4 ай бұрын

That thing has been around for a decade , barely running , i dont know why people still interested

@Flying_Fetus

4 ай бұрын

What about it?

@oussama4629

4 ай бұрын

@@mikeyhendri rob is just robbing people of their time by making those series claiming he can make it happen. I don't think a single man can achieve what a full company couldn't

As a VR6 expert. Can tell you that the VR5 was made for those countries that insurance amount is based on your engines size. Hence why only a handful of counties had it. It was also short lived because soon after the laws changed. The power had nothing to do with it because Volkswagen was still using the 1.8t at the time that made more power and came in base model cars. The VR6 was designed to be a diesel.

@haku1155

2 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly, both the base versions of 2.3L VR 5 and the 1.8T make the same HP and are only used in the GTI Model. There is a 150HP version for both and then the "upgraded" version with 170HP in the VR5 and 180HP in the 1.8T for the 25 year anniversary Golf Mk4 GTI. The 1.8T would just go a lot faster because the max torque range is higher in the turbo engine. The 2.3L would Rev higher and deliver less torque. The VR5 has some very unique and in my humble opinion pretty awesome sound and is beloved and hated by the VW following here in germany depending who you ask. It just doesn't really deliver as well as the 1.8T feeling wise. There is a saying about the VR5: You can hear it for a long time and you can see it for a long time.

@CruzanRastamon

2 ай бұрын

@@haku1155 150hp, 185hp that came in special edition gti’s and the beetle S. 225hp that came in the Audi TT. Mind you this is North American as we never got the VR5. It was as 2.0L, 1.8t, and VR6 till the mk5 platform came with the 2.0t fsi. We got the diesel but it was the 1.9L TDI.

@haku1155

2 ай бұрын

@@CruzanRastamonyea the GTI came in 4 Engine variations in Germany. Actually 3 but the 180 HP 1.8T is imho more like its own thing. V5 - 150HP rev1 and 170HP rev2 1.8T - 150HP rev1 and 180HP rev2 1.9 TDI. In the 1.9 TDI it was merely the interior and exterior line with the normal Diesel as the most powerful version had 135 HP. Much more interesting is the Polo 9N3 with the 1.9TDI and 130HP. That engine has lots of potential while being safely and easily upgradeable to almost 1.8T levels of power and stunning 300+ Nm of torque.

Interesting timing... I was just thinking about the k48 and did a little googling a few days ago. Didn't know the creator of it was having medical troubles. Hope he's able to keep the Parkinson's under control.

@cam_e6195

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve been following him for a minute and he takes long breaks from time to time but we all understand it’s because of his health

Probably the earliest I've seen a video pop into my recommended. Great video as always!

A Jz V12 already exists it's in the century. It is basically the same as two 1jz engines sure if the heads are compatible but I'm pretty sure you can make them fit

@mikebabin7796

5 ай бұрын

Came here to say this, it's called a 1GZ

@mrspandel5737

5 ай бұрын

Sigh, the 1GZ is a completely unrelated engine that happens to have a similar displacement per cylinder as the 1JZ (albeit with totally different Bore and Stroke).

@alfazagato1455

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, the GZ is only related in being made by Toyota. I don't know of any parts commonality.

@eggreedgious5194

4 ай бұрын

Make them fit? What, with like zip ties and hose clamps? 😂

@colchronic

4 ай бұрын

@@eggreedgious5194 machine work. But I'm not sure

Jeez, and I complained about doing head gaskets on a Subaru 4 banger, that engine has to be at least three times worse! Imagine having to reseal the case halves of the engine block!😳

My preferred term for those goofy VW engines is “Narrow 6”

hoped to see & hear about the TVR speed twelve enginge... thats an insane piece of hardware

Koenigsegg first hypercar almost used the Subaru flat 12 engine from the failed F1 project. In fact the chassis was custom made to fit the engine but was later scrapped and they used the Ford V8 instead.

oh i got that vr5 in my passat!

That video was insane

Came here to find something to shove into my geo tracker. Thanks

Good video, very interesting. I would have been interested to hear how reliable (or not) the double-Hayabusa engines were, and would have liked to have at least heard the sound the MM-Subaru engine made. Otherwise great.

You should look into VWs W8 engine

Hey Bryce! Do you think that at some point, you can let us know a thing or two about where some of the best boxer/flat 6 engines were used?? 😁🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

That 1J V-12 sounds freaking amazing.

I knew about the radical V8 made from two Hyabussa engines and the 5 cylinder VW engines but for the others crazy

They also did the flipped cylinder head thing on the RPE RP-V8 from Radical.

I would have included Honda's RC211V which is a V5 and the NSR 750 which had oval pistons. Lots of unique engines out there tho and certainly can't list 'em all.

All these little V8s would be perfect hybridized. Electricity covers low end torque then put drag on the motor at high rpm to charge the battery because you want to rev an engine out but you don’t necessarily need 400hp in a 55mph corner. Anyone could easily make this today it would be the perfect drivers car and cost $1.3 mil and of course no one would buy it LoL.

2 minutes in, and we're at 785 hp. At this rate, we should just about hit 5300 hp by the end of the video.

No metion of the Ford 300 with LS head or 400 based V12?

The flat - ish 12 turbo that Porsche did in the 917 was it that was by far the biggest compliment for the early 80s boasting 800 hp - 1500 hp tuned up

@felixsantiago5606

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. To good that has to be retired. BOP rules didn't allow that monster to perform at 100%. But it was unstoppable

@carlob517

4 ай бұрын

Not tuned up, they just turned up the boost pressure , especially for qualifying

Hey could you plz do a video on the 3.6 pentastar v6

Heard of all of those. Its hard discovering new shit these days.

How about Build it Yourself's 40 valve V10.

There's a video just arrived on KZread of a Toyota starlet with a V8 hyabusa engine and it's a hill climb car and it's a beast.

I know where a running/driving example of the Subaru F1 car is here in Australia. It's pretty cool.

That's unheard-of to me.

I find it strange that you didn't have the 12 rotor Mazda that one shop created. Not sure the name but the engine is absolutely ridiculous!

Bringing up the Hyabusa v8 without talking about the Ariel Atom v8? Smh.

Id love to take one of the TT Hiyabusa V8s into a volkswagen beetle, that would be insane.

Eyes roaming around is disconcerting.

I would like to see a v12 turbo hyabusa, Alright what KZread guru Is going to build one

So i gotta ask.... why was the black supra on a dyno with a scissor jack umder it ?? 🤷‍♂️... genuinly curious

You need to do a small diesels video. 1.9 vw, the 3.0 toyotas, the L100 Yanmar that is copied TO DEATH, I know there has to be some garden tractor engines and generator engines in there too.

I would love to stick 2 Yamaha R6 engines together to make it a 6L V8. The exhaust note would sound insane. It already sounds so good as a 4 cyl. It wouldn’t be the LFA but it would sound close enough I think.

Subj: Two motorcycle engines smashed together. Missing #1: An Englishman made a V12 joining two Kawasaki 1300 water cooled six inline, and keep thhe orinal frame. Added data, he made other delirious creations. Missing #2: The Honda V12, from two Honda 1050 CBX air cooled, made in the USA, runs on a original CBX frame, sounds sweet as mando. Excelent video ! 👍

@MrGaryGG48

4 ай бұрын

I suspect you're referring to the "Allen Millyard Specials." For one guy, pushing the envelope of his curiosity, this guy is amazing. He found 2 Kawasaki 1300cc inline 4s. His engineering work is about as basic as you'll find. A hacksaw and a welder are primary tools in his shop, and he is a master with them. Just run a search for "Allen Millyard Specials" if you're curious.

The flat twelve could have been great in a dragster (albeit larger). In theory it is the most balanced engine there is. Perfect primary and secondary balance, with almost zero chassis stress since every force cancels out. With DOHC heads, triple the displacement, nitro gas and a TF level supercharger pushing the same boost psi as now, you’d have an engine that revs way higher, flows air better, has more displacement, and will sound better. With that much performance headroom, 13k hp would be viable and would last an entire event without the need for a total rebuild every run.

@jiroyamamoto2878

4 ай бұрын

I am sure it is not a boxer engine, but a 180 degree V12. Two rods will be sharing common rod journals.

I always wondered if anybody combined two MOPAR slant sixes together?🤔

Do the gm 4.3v6

Hondas factory racing has a 2.8L 500hp v8. Last I saw they were $50,000 for a freshly rebuilt one.

By the hyabusa engines, im.guess the the 3.2 is the 1.6 conversion kit for the standard 1.3. If that's the case, the 3.2 should be capable of upward of 900-1100hp as the 1.6 with a turbo makes 550hp easily. Ghostrider had one. It looked scarey

What about the Mitsubishi evo engine ? Has anyone put two or three of those together ?

Synergy V8 was designed in NZ and has been used successfully in speedway midgets as well

I wanna see a Subaru Flat 16 cylinder engine

Mazda three and more rotor engines should be on this list.

How about the Aston Martin Vulcan V12. It's two Ford Duratec V6 engines melded together. Around 830 hp and 575 lb-ft (780 Nm) of torque.

@mikeflip79

4 ай бұрын

I think the Vulcan is a custom cosworth job. But the older astons like the Vanquish and v12 vantage were basically what you're saying. The One77 might be the ultimate version of that engine

I assume with these small V8s, they can have flat plane cranks, which also means they can can fork n’ blade rods, which means each bank can be in-line with each other, meaning no stagger & thus no rocking couple & thus no 3rd order of imbalance.

@nomercyinc6783

5 ай бұрын

the gt350 mustang had a 5.2 v8 with a flant crank. doesnt need to be small to have a flat crank

@ramseycattn5941

4 ай бұрын

What do you mean by fork and blade rods?

@jiroyamamoto2878

4 ай бұрын

At the big end 1 rod is normal looking. The other rod big end is very wide and a slot is cut into the big end so the other rod will fit there. Harley Davidson's still do this. However neither of the V8's being discussed have fork and blade rods. This rod arrangement is no longer considered optimal.

@ramseycattn5941

4 ай бұрын

Ah, i see. Interesting. Thanks! @@jiroyamamoto2878

ah man you didnt mention the v12 LS engine made in aussie land!

The inaccuracies within the first 3:00 of this video are horrendous

that engine was used on the supercar of 1988, caspita

I would like to see a modern 2-stroke V8

Two Honda cbx1000 s6 engines would make a killer high rpm v12

*TVR has entered the chat* "Smooshed V-engine? Yeah we tried that at the factory as well, but decided we should leave holocaust to the Germans." Also I appreciate you saying 'Subaru has a Legacy' rorororo

I would love to see another company revisit the flat-12. Just not Subaru

Subi flat 12: blows head gaskets 3x more often than an STi😆

They seem insane, but its just a giant magnification of the Subaru engine problems. They were very unreliable and didn't make enough hp to compete...

Koenigsegg has the last of the Subaru flat 12 engines

Well, the fact that those 2JZ's making well over 800 horsepower have insanely expensive aftermarket internals and a turbocharger as big around as a basketball and the 2JZ derived V12 is naturally aspirated might have something to do with the latter's power output.

Man hayabusa were getting spanked by R1s and zx10/12r before those bikes

Why make a V12 with 120 degrees? This engine has a 120 degree ignition interval, like a 6 cylinder engine, with ignition of each 2 cylinders occurring at the same time.

What is important for acceleration and pulling power of the vehicle is the torque at the contactpatch between wheel and road. There are two ways of getting more pulling power at the road (which can be combined of course): 1.) increase the torque at the crankshaft ( = nominal torque of the engine), OR 2.) raise the rpm at which the torque is delivered. Why? Simply because the same torque at a higher rpm of the engine implies that a lower gearing and thus a higher multiplication of the torque in the transmission from engine to road can be used. So in the end it is the POWER (torque x rpm) and not the nominal torque of the engine that determines how hard it actually pulls on the road!

@ramseycattn5941

4 ай бұрын

Exactly right. Probably less than .1 of 1 percent of car people get this

@rientsdijkstra4266

4 ай бұрын

@@ramseycattn5941 Thnx!

French guy Jamon Jimenez make the Novia with four yamaha 1000 years before... And V8 for the schlesser's buggy engaged in the earlier Paris-Dakkar

toyota century had a v12 Jz based engine

VR engines are straight engines with more compact form. Callig this "V" configuration is pure marketing.

Instead of a K48. K36 Inline 6

@snoofayy6150

5 ай бұрын

Straight 6 K would be insane

An interesting idea would be to make the exact opposite of the engines in the video and take a half of an s85 v10 and make an inline 5 out of it. Wondering if anyone did something like that. Would be pretty cool in my opinion.

@SelectCircle

4 ай бұрын

Something that costs twice as much with half the power interests nobody! Here - let me pour your Big Gulp into two smaller cups and charge you twice as much for each. You cool with that? 8 D

@mikeflip79

4 ай бұрын

The modern Audi inline 5 is basically half the v10 from the R8 and Lamborghini

@SelectCircle

4 ай бұрын

@@mikeflip79 But he's talking about sawing it in half - in your shop.

3 or 4 years ago, Toyota came out with their "Dynamic Force" engine. How has it done?

Smashing two engines together just breaks the engines.

Could of let us hear the sound of that Subie engine!

Overall I would vote the Volvo straight 5, and the Audi 5 on top. Rock Solid and crazy tunable.

This “2 Hayabusa engines stuck together” thing is such a misnomer. It’s a different block, different crank… Might as well just say “this guy made a custom block/bottom end and put Hayabusa cylinder heads on it.”

What about 2 Straight-eight engine in a v configuration

Toyota makes a car called the century that has a v12 that’s basically two 1jz put together

Two RB32s 😅

Thosse f2000 was the big boss on the roads when I was a kid.

I seen 2 liter engines making 1000 hp , my mzr puts out 765 at the wheel , and a baro can make easy 1500 hp

Aerial Atom 500 has that 500hp Hayabusa engine on it.

I'd like to nominate the ISUZU V12 Formula 1 engine

the Ford Coyote makes more sense and it is making huge power at reasonable prices

your saying a 2.7L V8 is insane when it only makes 440 hp the Ford 2.3L Lima i4 can push the same numbers with only 20 ibs of boost and an ecu tune, for less than half the price

@Earmuffin585

5 ай бұрын

440hp from 2.7L NA is pretty insane

@phroogo...

5 ай бұрын

@@Earmuffin585 oh i thought it had a turbo

The 2 jz 12 is in a century

@Motley-Croo

5 ай бұрын

That’s a different engine, although it has a few similarities

@mrspandel5737

5 ай бұрын

Its not, the 5.0 V12 shares next to nothing with JZ engines.

8:00 They had very good reason for doing so. The staggered cylinders allowed 5 cylinders in the normal length of a 4. It isn't rocket science. And 9 years was a decent run, also. Too much dissing going on.

It's wild that if you go from a boxer 6 to any other flat configured cylinder count it becomes the most unreliable engine ever.

@alfazagato1455

4 ай бұрын

Tbh, there's been several other companies that managed flat 4s with great reliability.

@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo

4 ай бұрын

LMAO you never heard of the Porsche 917 or the the VW beetle??😂

@ramseycattn5941

4 ай бұрын

Ferrari Testarossa used a flat 12. Can have perfect balance if done as a boxer

Hayabusa. There is no replacement for displacement. How long do they last?

Timing components on the back for poorly designed engines... we're looking at you B58

@6:44 That looks like somebody with a big giant hand slapped him HARD.

make these in 12-16cyl

You are the reason TT is successful. Bloated no delivery bs

a 12 cylinder subi motor would be 3 times more likely to break down

No somebody just has to smash together to vr5s to make a w10

The Hayabusa was never competitive. Back in 99 I would race the GTO class on my GSXR600 running against Hayabusa bikes. At Moroso Raceway I would run laps on them. They were 550 pounds bikes against a 390lb 600. They never had a chance.

The Boss Hog who's got the big block Chevy in there and it's real heavy😮 put the V8 Hayabusa motor in that motorcycle

So a semi-conspiracy theory i have is that during WW2, when Japan and Germany shared technology, Japan was gifted the VW type one engine aka the bug engine.... Which was also designed by Porsche hence why Subaru and porsche share similar performance

Uhhhh this is new 👀

Why didn't you mention the BRM H-16?

@davemeasor394

4 ай бұрын

I remember the sound from F1! at Mosport but the car was not competitve at all

@mikeflip79

4 ай бұрын

That's the engine I first thought of