You have a great talent for reviews, keep it up

Amazing review. Exactly what I was seeking, but better !

Damn! that's one of the best reviews of anything that I've seen in my life. I'm not big on subscribing (I don't usually subscribe as I don't follow specific channels as closely as other people do) but you definitely earned yourself a subscriber. Keep up the awesome work and thank you for the review :)

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much, I'm glad you found it useful. And thanks for the subscription, I really appreciate the extra support and I hope you enjoy many videos to come! If you have any thoughts or suggestions about how improve the videos please let me know, and I hope to catch you in some future comments sections.

good and very thorough video, thank you.

Excellent review. I have using Rev. B since 2015 on a Haswell machine and now gonna install it on AM4. Great product.

the thing about the large fin spacing in the Macho is that it's better for a) passive operation and b) lower fan speeds due to air friction being non-linear. edit: large fin spacing also helps prevent dust accumulation from nerfing fan performance. quick fan clips mean easier de-dusting.

Great test.

Stellar review. I will say: the question I'm trying to answer is which one works best with the current crop of enthusiast 8-core chips, ideally overclocked. The 2700X and 9900K pull ~150W stock and ~250W at a reasonable overclock. To your point earlier: a 6700K at stock voltage in a game test probably isn't much over 75W, so it's not clear if the performance hierarchy is representative.

Man i dont get tired of watching your videos, really impressive presentation, by far the best reviews i seen of any cooler, and this two thermalright machos was no different. Really enjoyed the testing of the B and A fans, a little confusing but its fine, i got a laugh out of it, again never seen reviews with such dedication as you do them, keep them up, i really hope your channel gets more attention as your work should be seen for more people. Personally in my own testing, Macho RevB and LeGrandMacho are very similar on full rpms, but where the LeGrandMacho wins is at lower rpms, the bigger surface area allow better dissipation under very low rpms, that said, its not a big deal either. To me Macho RevB and Mugen5 are the best coolers at $50, and at $80, the NH-D15 and LeGrandMacho are among the best coolers, weather its worth the extra $30 its up to each user, to me its not worth it, but i can see some situations that might be worth it. One cooler that im going ask you if you could review is the upcoming NH-U12v2, its not out yet, but Noctua showed it at CES2018, saying that it will have the performance of the NH-D15 with a smaller factor, i do think Noctua should send you a sample for free, specially if they watch your super high detail review, impressive video footage, and well presented review.

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks man. The A and B fan testing was so stupid, I double checked the numbers with the documentation and realised I'd mixed them up somewhere along the way. I even had separate containers so that didn't happen... Nice to know these coolers have their performance advantages at other RPM ranges, they've got to be doing something different with all that fin surface area (I'd really like to see how they'd to with the new 9900K or even Threadripper CPUs (although that would need a new mount). I'd really like to introduce half speed testing to the reviews, but time-wise it's not so viable which is just a pain. I've logged down the NH-U12v2 on the cooler list with your name on it, and I look forward to checking it out, any idea when it'll be on the market? I think I actually spoke with Noctua before on review units and they said it's not something they do. But I presume they sponsor videos where they provide a pile of coolers for a project here and there - not something I'll require for quite some time haha. Thanks for the continued support, and I hope you enjoy the Level 20 VT review!

Nice vid mate and 1.9k yasss

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, really appreciate the support!

very good job, thanks

Great review,just got another sub.....

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much, and thanks for the sub! Hope you enjoy many videos to come.

I actually just won the Rev.B thru one of the PC groups i'm in. new in the box will be going in my son's first PC builds.

Can you place something like ripjaws in the first dimm slot without it blocking the cooler?

also how did u mount it outside the case i tried that n then i wasnt able to screw in and mount in the motherboard because the cooler was so big it blocked the holes

see i had to mount mine while it was in the case and getting that final screw going down the dark whole from the top was a nightmare.

@MrCamel254

3 жыл бұрын

I have a Ryzen 5800x sitting here ready to replace my 3600x and i remember that screw and it makes me not want to switch the CPU at all lol.

@rderubeis

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrCamel254 ya its a fucking nightmare. Im afraid to upgrade. I have a 8700k and i also wanna go amd i dont kno what to do. Hard to get anything thought. I want a 3080 but none ever in stock

awesome review and i got this and the nhd 15s what you say at 31:00 is what i was hoping was the case but i got a 3900x oc'd and pulls 200watts and the noctua is holding it from throttling while the macho rt is about the same on avg temp but the max temp is about 10c hotter ;/

В первый слот оперативная память G.Skill Ripjaws не влезет? G.Skill Ripjaws does not fit into the first slot? Answer please.

Great review! I have the HR-02, from 10 years ago mounted on a Core i7-3930K OC at 4.6Ghz 1.385v. While gaming, the hottest core is 71C. With Prime95, it is more like 78-79. I’m trying to get to 4.7-4.9 at around 1.4. As the HR-02 is rated at 200W TDP and the RT at 320, I Think it Will be a Nice upgrade as my CPU at 4.6 is pulling 240W, it will get near 300 at 4.8-4.9.

@alexspata

2 жыл бұрын

I have that cooler too on I5 3570k@ 4,2 Ghz, served me really well since 2012 ( 36' C idle, 70'C full load, Zalman Z11 case) but now I bought an I5 11400, I hope it can handle the heat

Great review! I want to see do a review on the Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power. Its also got a crazy size but in a different way, its super tall! 172mm. Its got 6 heatpipes but theyre bigger than all of the heatpipes you see on these coolers - theyre 8mm instead of the standard 6mm. Just curious to see how such a cooler would hold up compared to these. Plus its got a ridiculous TDP of 360watts which makes me question it :thinking: I suspect that you'll see similar results to the large coolers you already tested. They're all overkill for a relatively low TDP CPU like the 6700k. Gotta test a threadripper or some HEDT intel CPU :P Shits expensive tho

My fan already broke, and i can't find any round type 140mm fan for replacement,, can i use the square 140mm instead? Because it's more common here

Good review, I have a Macho since 2012 on a 3570k @4,2 Ghz it cools it well....now I have upgraded to Intel 11400 and want to use the same cooler (support from Thermalright told me that it is compatible) . I hope it will take the heat...It seems very hard to mount it though

So, would you recommend the rt for an msi meg z390 ace with a i9 9900k?

Do you think that the Macho's would preform better with the 8086K @ 5ghz? Do you think the Grand Macho RT is worth a 30$ price premium over the Macho Rev.B? You can get the Rev.B in the US for $50 and the Grand RT costs $80, almost the same price of the D15.

I have the macho rev b and the macho 120 SBM both are great coolers and thermalright doesn’t get enough respect compared to be quiet or noctua. The macho rev b is a $50 dollar cooler and it cools great and is pretty silent. Im in the market for a cooler on a spare 5820k asus x99 pro rig im building and i thought about the nh-d15, dark rock pro 4, le grand, sythe ninja 5, or maybe another macho rev b or x2. Im just not sure if the le grand will fit the macho rev b was pretty close to my gpu and i have to use the 1st slot for 16x and the only other slot for 16x is 3 and my cables get in the way. The rev b kept it cool at 4.5 ghz and i used it for a 2700x build. I had an h100i v2 with it but the pump died. And i just want to try one of the bigger air coolers and i was leaning on the dark rock pro 4 just because i hate noctua’s colors. But its nice to buy the same family of coolers to have extra mounting hardware. Great video could find much like this on both. Is the macho rev b wider than the dark rock pro, and whats wider the d15 or le grand thanks

I find that the fan for the cooler is blocking my extra ram slots. could i switch out for a thinner fan? if so which one do you recommend?

Blooming brilliant! I wanna try 1 of these. I wanted the Rt for a Z590-i iTX but like you pointed out, for mine, I have an open frame but a ledge too close. 15mm above rear I/O or a 5mm lip inward at 12mm high. I remember when ThermalRight gave you an adhesive to stick backplate while you work & a simple "X" folding plate that centers on a nib. But we used to have stiff springs so maybe now you can clamp down better then before. Video was Ace m8. I like the lighting, & colours. That standing case is brilliant as well. I been looking for something like it. ThermalTake? Sound was good but mayb4e just a tad low. (:

Would u recommend this to a i7-8700, for being silent?

Does Macho RT cover first PCI-E slot?

Specs say the RT is a 159mm tall assembly...the drawings on Thermalrights web show the top of the fan matching the height of the cooler protrusions. In your review pic, the fan seems to extend above the cooler stack beyond 159mm. Is this accurate? Can the fan be positioned lower on the cooler stack? Ordering one to fit into a case with 158-159mm clearance.

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

There is room to shift it up and down, you can move it below the level of the heat pipes if you need it to. Is there a specific reason you're going for the RT over other coolers? It's certainly a showpiece and has a high TDP ceiling, it would be interesting to know what your use case is.

Looks good for a air cooler that performs similarly to others on the list which are selling for near triple of the price hear in my country,looks like a win for me.

Would like to see the cheaper one, like Thermalright macho direct, its also has 160mm

I ran the rev b on a 7700k running at 5.1ghz and it never went above 55°c

@gt2684

4 жыл бұрын

Muchas gracias amigo , es recomendable?. En el i7 9700k para usarlo en gaming ?

скажите пожалуйста Ryzen 2700x куллер Le GRAND Macho RT в Aida64 на стресс тесте выдает аж 98 градусов это нормально? Обдув корпуса 4 куллера.

Its impossible to find case that fits 162mm cooler height

I have a Macho rev.a type of cooler, after i leveled the bottom to being more flat, in my case the temperature is get more better value (around 3 celsius better)

What I got from this series of testing. Choose a Noctua solution that fits your build and have no worries that there may be something better out there.

@LastSecBloomer

5 жыл бұрын

Noctua is great but they're pissing me off with having 2 separate versions of coolers, one for Intel and one for AM4 socket. Others have shows that you can have an universal mount and still have good performance...but hey, gotta sell them mounting kits.

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

jake legg It would appear so. However if a few millimetres was added to the fans we were testing it opens the market up, and something better could be found. But as we found with the Le Grand Macho RT, bigger coolers aren't necessarily the most efficient for "low power" CPUs. Noctua have clearly done their research with this, and hence have a reputation for high performance coolers (and the colour brown :P). Last Second Bloomer The AM4 mounting kit situation is a bit annoying, but they will send them out for free with proof of purchase. I can only assume that (at the tine of initial manufacture) they were not included with every cooler since there were so few people using AMD systems it would be a waste of resources, money, and energy to manufacture one for every cooler (knowing a small percentage of people would use them). Do they ship their new cooler designs with AM4 brackets as standard nowadays (if not, they really should)? Ideally we could pick exactly which socket we would use and have only the mounting hardware for that sent out (I don't know about anyone else, but I'd prefer to not manufacture steel components that won't be used). However I get from a convenience standpoint that it would be better to have support for both right out the box. And a Universal mount would do the job perfectly.

26:29 - looks like the IHS is convex because there is alot more paste around the edges.

Thermalright Macho rev b vs Scythe Mugen 5 rev B which is better?

@Robin-sf3gk

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing is more silent than the Mugen 5 but if you want to cool something like a Ryzen 3900 or i9 9900 you have get something bigger to stay silent over years. Something like a Noctua D15S, DarkRock Pro 4 or LG Macho RT and of the big ones the LG Macho is the most silent! A Thermalright True Spirit is even more Silent but it's closely 180mm which only fit in few cases.

would you say this cooler is still relevant in 2022? I have one I never used and was planning on a new build

@AVTechy

2 жыл бұрын

If it works, it's still relevant. To be fair this one is massive, so it's going to be useful for a long time as long as it's compatible with your socket.

My Rev B was 50 bucks, AND the fin spacing makes it so that I never have to clean the dust. I'd say it was worth it.

love the video , im having a hard time deciding between the grandmacho rt and the mugen 5 for my Cpu i7 8700 non k (110w-120w max tdp on aida) . they are the only ones under 160mm that offer 100% ram clearance (From a visual standpoint im using Trident Z rgb ones and i want it to show it) .do you think the mugen 5 will be capable off cooling it ? because there is almost 35 dollars difference between them and i dont know if its worth it. my use is for gaming and some light 3d modeling (Autocad/sketch up). Consider me a new subscriber now

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

In all honest it really doesn't matter between the two. Personally I'd go for the Mugen 5 since it's so much easier to manage. The 6700K hits about 110W on Prime 95 which should give you an indication of the cooling performance in comparison to the 8700K (minus two cores of course). The Mugen 5 will have plenty of head room to cool and overclock the 8700K. Gaming should be your highest load on the CPU, I don't think you'll see higher than 50°C with a light fan curve, but you could choose to go for a more aggressive fan curve (anything below 60°C is perfectly reasonable though), or use the money from the saving and add another fan to the cooler for quieter operation. Hope that helped, thanks for the subscription, and I hope you enjoy many videos to come. And of course if you have any more question don't hesitate to ask!

@cacholulu6749

5 жыл бұрын

thanks my man i love beefy coolers and you were the only youtube channel that was covering this Forgotten beast (sycthe , Thermalright) all the other channels only focus on Noctuas and bequiet. what fans do you recommend me to buy for the mugen to get the maximum performance

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

No problem, I'm happy to help out :). If it was me I really like the fan that comes with the Mugen 5, and if I wanted to make it look good and I was on a budget I would go for another one of those fans. But if you're not too bothered by looks you can go for pretty much any fan with a "Ball bearing" and matches the general brief of your system. In fact if it was me I wouldn't add another fan since a second fan won't gain you much in terms of thermal performance (CPU coolers don't generate a lot of resistance). But if you wanted to swap the existing fan out then there are some factors to consider. Fans are quite a complex subject compared to how they appear on the surface. There's two levels of performance to take into account - airflow and acoustics. You can go for a fast fan with high airflow and higher noise levels, or a slower fan with less airflow and lower noise levels. You can of course go for a fast fan around 2000rpm and use a fan curve to keep the rpm's low until the system get's really hot. On the whole the noise levels are dictated by the bearing type and the speed of the fan. Or go for a slower fan around 1200rpm and never have to worry about noise levels. To be honest this probably isn't helping :P I'd recommend fan around the 1200 - 2000prm range with a ball bearing (or any variation), and one that has plenty of positive customer reviews. A few good video reviews are great, but a mass of good customer reviews is very valuable, and they don't generally steer anyone far wrong (as long as it's from a trusted site of course). My best advice I can give you is to work with the existing fan that comes with the cooler, and if after using it for a while you realise it has to spin up too fast and becomes really noisy then you should probably look into getting a second fan. Let me know if you have a certain specification of brief for the fans you want, and I can come up with a few suggestions for you if you want. If you wanted to get new fans straight away, would you be looking to go for two new matching fans, or a single fan to replace or add to the existing fan?

@cacholulu6749

5 жыл бұрын

i think im going to try the fan that come with the mugen 5 for now , and if i change the fans in the future i think ill go for 2 new fans . i hear the noctuas are really good but the colours are too fucking hideous

I read a review online where thermalright macho rev.b itš much better than dark rock 4, and even cryorig h7 quad lumi its begter than dark rock 4, so nos im confused.

aaahhh... so now i know why it has a hole in the middle of the heatsink. Was wondering how the hell am i supposed to install this thing because of just bought one used.

Are you going to give the Thermalright Macho Rev. C a closer look ?

@Robin-sf3gk

4 жыл бұрын

It's more noisy

10:47 - GOT EM'

Anyone ever tried one of these on ryzen?

Have you tested the Scythe Ninja 5?

@lightspeedlegato

5 жыл бұрын

I have. The ninja does a little better than the D15s but not as well as the D15 in thermals. Also, good god is it huge. Also the front fan of the ninja gets in the way of ram just like the D15 but the D15 front fan can be mounted in a way that it sits in front of the ram allowing the front fan to be used for cooling the cpu and also providing cooling to the ram. The ninja fan has a little better clearance over the ram in its intended spot but you can't stretch it past the ram if you need to. In most cases I would go with the D15s or the mugen 5 rev b unless you do some crazy overclocking in which I would recommend the D15. The ninja does look really cood though.

@georgeemanson

5 жыл бұрын

@@lightspeedlegato Thanks...great info...

You should also test the Scythe Mugen Max... it's like their brother from another mother.

It's too bad you didn't review the Raijintek Pallas (top-down cooler). While its performance is good, there is no other cooler as frustratingly difficult to install... from screwing down the cross bar over the cooler base to attaching the fan to the heat sink using the clips, it's just way too difficult. I heard you complain about the installation of some of the coolers in this series of reviews, but you don't know frustration until you've experienced all that the Raijintek Pallas has to offer. Sorry for the off-topic rant.

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, well there's always time :P. I take if from your experience that the mounting bracket of the Pallas is a deal breaker. I'll keep it in mind to stay away from it, thanks for the heads up! :)

Good coolers, performance wise. It is largely due to their fans (TY-147), which are one of the best universal (CPU/case) fans on the market. It's a shame they have such shape, which limits their usability... That mounting is more complicated than it needs to be, though, and they're not among the small ones. Mugen 5 is still my favorite of the bunch, being smaller than the rest in that group, cheaper and having great performance.

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Quite right, certainly very capable coolers, but I really haven't got the hardware to put them through their paces. Like you say, their mounting is way too fiddly to compete with other solutions, and their sheer size makes them pretty much pointless for most people to use. I still haven't announced whether I'm using the Mugen 5 or NH-D15S yet. I'll need to get onto that soon.

@PrintToAudio

5 жыл бұрын

@@AVTechy which cooler would you recommend (air) for the i9 9900k and a meg z390 godlike (I can't figure out what case to use since its EATX...need a good air cooler/case combo) any suggestions?

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

From what I've reviewed I can recommend the Noctua NH-D15S/NH-D15S and the be quiet! Dark Rock 4/ Dark Rock 4 Pro. I would recommend the Scythe Mugen 5 but I think you'll be better off with a larger cooler. Frankly any coolers that compete with the Dark Rock 4 and NH-D15S will be great coolers, so it's a case of picking the best performer you like the look of.

@BB-nn9en

5 жыл бұрын

I have some good news for you. TY-147ASQ

26:35 so, bq Dark Rock 4 win?

@Robin-sf3gk

4 жыл бұрын

The macho is a lot more silent

stream ? :C

Please make review of china cooler from aliexpres

Silly millennials... back in my day HSFs attached with spring clips until Intel decided mounting the processor on a glorified Atari cartridge was the thing to do (Pentium II/III/Celery). Honestly, if anyone actually remembers the old clip system, they should also remember the motherboard stabbing that happened when some poor sap's screwdriver slipped out of the slot in the clip. I personally love the screw on systems, I just believe the hardware should be affixed to the HSF base in some way, not free floating for the installer to juggle while tightening multiple screws. A good mounting system now days is as refreshing as a tab on the old style spring bar clips... you didn't have to risk damage from a screwdriver slipping. Lol

its bad review, cos it was tested on open stand, this cooler show much better results in case with good airflow.

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah these are comparative results on a consistent test bench. If I were to use a case the volume and free airflow area would change with each cooler which would be inconsistent. But we can disregard the entire review as bad based on a disagreement of the testing methodology sure.

Es enorme 💀

missed to be first comment sorry

Why are Thermalright fanboys always so salty? They always went full denial when seeing their favorite coolers lose to other brands. I owned True Spirit 140 Power (the one with six 8mm heatpipe) and le grand macho rt, the former is absolute trash, my STOCK 10700k almost thermal throttled under load. The latter is a bit better but still nothing impressive.

Damn this damn that why do you say gods name in vain every so minutes

@AVTechy

3 жыл бұрын

I think KZread Kids might be more your speed.

Conclusion: don't buy the Macho rev.B if you have arthritis ravaged hands or are a useless millenial. Otherwise you can grab yourself a 50 dollar cooler than performs on par with 80 dollar noctua and dark rock. With one (1) fan, mind you, while other ones have 2. You can add another one for 15 bucks, I wonder what the performance is then, hmm?

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

Or if you want a cooler that's had the edges rounded nicely so they're not sharp. Or has a little more build quality. 2 fans won't make that much difference. I've only ever seen a few degrees knocked off under full load with a second fan. But saying that I've only tested this with the Hyper 212 Evo and Freezer 34 eSports DUO. No disrespect, but I often find arguments aren't strong when the word 'millennial' is used. This cooler could be worth it at $50 sure, but I had to spend £90 to get hold of one of these since there aren't that many this side of the pond. So from my perspective it wasn't worth it at £90, but £50... sure, pretty good.

@arpakyna

5 жыл бұрын

@@AVTechy You are the one who brought up millenials in your video. In any case, the reason you gave not to buy this cooler is pretty silly. We can see in the video it took you whole 10 seconds to lay the parts on top of each other. Maybe that equates to minute or 2 when you have to check the instructions. It's not silly to bring it up, mind, as it is an inconvenience thermalright could do something about. But enough to not recommend the cooler? That's taking it way too far. PS. I believe silent pc review tested earlier revision of this cooler with 2 fans and gave it high praise in that configuration.

@AVTechy

5 жыл бұрын

@@arpakyna ​ arpakyna Sorry, I thought you were being serious about the millennial's comment, I certainly wasn't in my video. The reasons I gave were things that were inconvenient, and weren't present in other coolers. If I wanted to install these coolers in an upright case it would be a huge pain in the butt. Whereas I can install the NH-D15S upright no problem. With all the parts that need assembling, inside a case if a couple of the parts dropped out into a complete build as a post build upgrade, it could be annoying to have to deal with. Again these aren't frustrations found in other products. The other coolers also have a higher build quality, are smaller, and have a nicer finish on the whole. These coolers certainly have the potential to perform better than other smaller coolers with two fans since they are so large, but price to performance wise I don't think there's much in it. But for those who just want performance then it couldn't hurt to add a second. Anyway, the frustrations and lack of build quality in comparison to other coolers, and the minimal performance differences mean that I wouldn't recommend these over other offerings. Just my opinion, and you are of course entitled to have a different one.

Very irritating to listen to you drop the d bombs

I wish you would slow down a bit. You talk and act like you're in such a hurry, but really why? Most of us are going to spend a lot of time researching a product, and you do your viewers a disservice by skipping over pertinent information. You showed us that the RT cooler hangs over IO ports on a mini ITX motherboard, but what about the rev. B? What does it look like?