English Finn Russell but England doesn't risk with ballers 🔥

@EvilFinian

Жыл бұрын

Neither seemingly does Scotland as shown with how many times he has been dropped. That said I believe DC had a rough go of it for England like a lot of players whose face didn't fit for various reasons but he also, like Finn, has created his own issues and drama. As a fan of rugby in general I would have loved to seen more of him in an England shirt but the margins at the very top are so fine and there is so much on the line for coaches in every match that it is not easy to allow a maverick to win or lose a game that can cost you your job. Just glad we got to see such a player perform in our game at all, so we should celebrate what he has brought rather than what might have been. So thanks Andrew Forde for these wonderful memories!

@TommyDelpe

Жыл бұрын

@@EvilFinian fax

@garyambrosini1427

Жыл бұрын

Russell and Cipriani are both overrated

@dazeng4633

Жыл бұрын

@@garyambrosini1427 and you're undereducated

@fraz.ramsay

Жыл бұрын

@@garyambrosini1427 Specsavers are offering free eye tests at the moment mate. Just a thought x

Sadly another great player who was judged on what he did off field too what he did on it !!

Englands answer to Fin Russell, never fully realised

The streets will never forget prime Cipriani

Another Cipriani tribute from Andrew Forde? Yes, please!

The most amazing part of this video for me is the chase from Census Johnston on Ugo Monye at 7:08 , quite an incredible tackle I have to say.

I watched him at the Ricoh stadium when he played for Wasps, he opened up defences like a can opener, brilliant player.

@foodonfilm5935

Жыл бұрын

I really wish I'd gone to see a game when it was him, Daly and le Roux playing when I was in Coventry. Watched Cips and Daly play at Twickenham in school rugby finals as I was a few years below them

The greatest moment in this video is Farrell throwing a right wobbly and turning away like a child...to the realise May scored the try 😂😂

@alasdairduncan3

Жыл бұрын

Timestamp please

@Jake-ys9xc

Жыл бұрын

@@alasdairduncan3 0:41

@HarryFlashman.

Жыл бұрын

Got it! Cipriani showing Farrell how it must feel to possess a rugby brain!

@foodonfilm5935

Жыл бұрын

Literally my favourite moment. I don't think Farrell is a great captain for us

The best player at keeping the ball in 2 hands. Genuinely never knew what he would do ball in hand. Kept everyone on their toes

Saw him live at welford road when he was a kid. We thought he was some flash Harry. He was unbelievable. Ran the game. Had everything. Ghosted passed people, could kick had pace. He took us apart that day.

Another quality player left in the talent graveyard for English Rugby.. Nick Abendanon Delon Armitage Steffon Armitage James Simpson-Daniel Sam Simmonds Alex Goode Alex Lozowski Harry Thacker

@user-vk9kx5nh3j

Жыл бұрын

Alex Goode definitely had his chance for England, never really performed

@tom10800

Жыл бұрын

At least five of those were never international standard

@RO8s

Жыл бұрын

Didn't Simpson-Daniel get horribly injured?

@bpswank429

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget Michael Brown . Dude was definitely on track to be the greatest midfielder ever seen but unfortunately had to retire due to personal reasons

@Felix-um7zl

Жыл бұрын

Christian Wade as well

Bags of talent, but also bags of arrogance. Even at school he would get in trouble for his poor attitude.

Hated him initially but he grew on me as he matured. A great player

@jonnybingham1

Жыл бұрын

I find it a little weird that you would “hate him” initially. Seems a bit strong for a guy whose style might not be to your taste. Seems a bit borderline personality disorder to say you would hate on anyone without a damn good reason - I.e they are threatening you or someone you love

@jackm2939

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnybingham1 I hated him due to his demeanour off the pitch at an early age. Hence I used the term "matured". He was clearly talented but was also chasing fame and getting up to antics he shouldn't have been. Ask anyone you know in rugby circles if you need stories to for proof

@AlanSindastreem

2 ай бұрын

I think you matured too

He went to my old school Danny. Gets talked about a bit by the rugby teachers. I love him as a player as his agility and passing ability is unbelievable

Always remember having my first Saturday job followed by going home to watch wasps play. Never a boring game when he was playing. That 2007ish wasps team was unbelievable to watch when I look back at now

Boy could England do with some of his magic right now.

Great player, have heard he doesnt get along with his team mates, such a shame for an incredible talent!

Pure class..

There’s only one Andrew Forde

Remember him first coming through at Wasps, believe he played 15 in the Heineken cup final 2007 I was there.

A media creation ,…..twice as many failed Hail Mary passes as successful.

Shame off the field was counted more than what he did on it. The only English 10 that could ever have been considered in the same conversation as Carter, Barrett and Russell in terms of style and excitement

@jonnybaynham1689

Жыл бұрын

Carter was much more steady a fly half. You're thinking more a Spencer or Cooper type of mould

@KindaMaoriCuz

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnybaynham1689 I can get behind Spencer and Cooper point, agreed in general Carter was more steady but he also was capable of the level with flair in question, the try where he dropped a grubber to himself millimetres from the touch line vs B&I lions or the banana kick conversion are the first two examples off the top of my head. Diligent in a system, but certainly wasn’t afraid to do something outside the box

@michaeltrumper

Жыл бұрын

Better comparison is Carlos Spencer who was an absolute magician, but at test level, it seems they don't appreciate the unpredictability as much.

@elvenrace2982

6 ай бұрын

Russell is a useless Fly-half

Could’ve been so good. Would’ve been great for him to be mentored by Lewsey, Alex King, Dallaglio etc for a bit longer to help him grow. What could’ve been eh?

A precocious talent. His book is fantastic.

There is still a wee bit of hope for him with Eddie now gone. He is fit and ready to go.

1:11 was absolutely filthy

What a complete player!!

2 years younger than Johnny Sexton. Could Cipriani have one last hurrah?

The absolute OG maverick 10

Farrell whinging in the background of that try vs South Africa.....

Great player with potential never realised by the dour old boys club that run the rfu.

I certainly agree that his talent was supreme. Almost inevitably, he had weaknesses in defence but he could do things that few other English fly halves can/could. So why did successive, highly professional, supremely successful England coaches just not pick him? Off field? Well, Dallaglio (cocaine supplying) was more “damaging”, particularly as he was England captain at the time. Defence frailties? Were they deemed to be just too much at international level, if not club level? Is the England international game built so much around the power and kicking game that skills at fly half are deemed too much of a risk? Is England doing the same with Marcus Smith? I genuinely don’t know the answers. I desperately want consistent success for England. I put that long term success higher than playing in a particular style. I have to have faith in coaches such as the current England set up to understand what will succeed; they might just be (possibly only) better rugby coaches than I was?

@Nat-oj2uc

10 ай бұрын

Yeah even if you were winning your game was mind numbing with Eddie. Maybe you'll loosen up without him

Absolute baller

Unfortunately he knew that (OP) and it messed his head; and he isn't alone, there are many phenomenally gifted players and the danger of it going to their head is very common.

Bit of a wasted talent but I don’t think he was ever quite the same player after the leg break against Bath. Could have been one of the greats

So what are you trying to say? (To Borthwick) having selected Smith??

@AndrewDavidForde

Жыл бұрын

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DC has been the european Carlos Spencer

He must be a complete mare to work with since he's been either overlooked by England coaches or dropped by clubs. On the field though he is the best English 10 by a country mile. Comparisons to Finn Russel are obvious because as he has an instinct for opening defences and smart enough to look/plan what he will do with the ball before he gets it, something Farrell has never done and Marcus Smith is only a little better at. Im a Sarries man and over the years have seen him play for different clubs which have often been second best in the pack to Saracens but he's managed still to threat with crap ball and a daring that obviously goes against the grain with England selectors. I think Eddie Jones only ever selected him on the bench and brought him on as a full back replacement. with Farrell still on the park... like going on the pull with the elephant man as your mate

@Nat-oj2uc

10 ай бұрын

He was dropped for the same reason he was good. He's unpredictable and unruly. That's why rugby is more boring now cause it's played by drones

One of England's biggest "What if" players. However, as an ex-forward I can't abide a back wearing a scrum cap.

@mattbundock6106

Жыл бұрын

When your a gob shite, you need a scrum cap to cushion the punches

Overrated. What I mean by this is that he was a great prem level flyhalf, but in the 16 games I saw him play for England, I never once though he was the answer, or as good as other world class flyhalfs.

Should have got a hundred caps 😢

4:46 Great pace and an effective tackle, but why on Earth did the greedy bar steward not pass?!? Even if he was unaware of Cipriani, he’d already done enough to draw the defender, just put your mate through in space.

@vonteflon

Жыл бұрын

Actually I’ve just re-watched it and I hadn’t appreciated what a good job the Wasps full back did. Phenomenal positioning and biding his time forcing the ball carrier to make a decision. He’s actually in a good position all the time either to take ball carrier or supporter, and the back-pedalling buys time for the other scrambling defenders. Ended up forcing him to hang on to the ball for too long. Still, cracking tackle.

@foodonfilm5935

Жыл бұрын

@@vonteflon Willie le Roux is an outstanding full back. What a team Wasps had with the two of them as play makers

What a talent !! Never quite appreciated by the England set up because of his off field antics. The nearest thing we have to him is Marcus Smith. Get MS settled into the position now and let’s get the excitement back into the England side.

Bang average with occasional moments of brilliance

@Nat-oj2uc

10 ай бұрын

Never seen average doing this 6:20

Anyone who plays like that and bangs Kelly Brook has got to be a serious alpha!

haha thats my cousin

A supreme talent. Vision and ability in spades. Farrell and Smith don't come close in my book.

Born the wrong nationality, unfortunately. England rugby likes yeomen, not cavaliers.

Should have been a shoe in for England

Amazing player. So poorly managed by rugby’s one dimensional approach to people.

@Nat-oj2uc

10 ай бұрын

Right I wish there were creative coaches for once. Game is getting boring

@swisscloud4309

8 ай бұрын

@@Nat-oj2ucI reakon he would flourished with tony brown, tony brown would be licking his fingers with this type of 10s

come into the fold - jones is long gone

If he had been Welsh he would have been king.

Just highlights how good England are at producing and wasting talent

Danny being side lined from England displays everything wrong with its management. Talk about trying to grow the game. This guy had everything from incredible talent to interesting personality but the powers at be decided the pesonality that captivated the public didn’t fit.

Lacked the grit of Farrell though

@RO8s

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but grit's all Farrell's got. Great at club, pedestrian (at 10) for England.

@patrickchilds2987

9 ай бұрын

​@RO8s 3rd highest scorer in rugby history Not bad if grit is all he has 😂