A very fun episode but definitely some controversial elements here. What did you guys think? Watch my full reaction to all 3 60th specials without cuts on my Patreon rn! :) www.patreon.com/MurkMovies

@chriszone50

6 ай бұрын

You can tell it was written by RTD, because he builds up this massive threat, then resolves it quickly so he can focus on the characters.

@cameronallan3034

6 ай бұрын

John loggie baird was the scottish inventor that created the television

@cameronallan3034

6 ай бұрын

There's a rumor that David tennant and cathrine tate are getting there own spin off show

My theory is that 14 now retires and becomes the curator of the museum... That would explain how Tom Baker existed alongside Matt Smith at the same time. Revisiting the old favorites and all that.

@Wither246

6 ай бұрын

Holy moly, that actually makes sense!

@cheapfinish6224

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, sound theory, in Big Finish, Colin Baker is also a Curator

@harryvideoz8863

6 ай бұрын

So the curator is the 15th doctor and nucti is some guy calling himself the doctor

@anumeon

6 ай бұрын

@@harryvideoz8863 No. The curator would be the result of the Bi-generation and no longer choose to call himself a Doctor. 15 is Ncuti. He is the Doctor that continues so to speak.

@ajandrianjafymusic

6 ай бұрын

I love that so much and it does actually make sense, 14 being left with the tardis allows it to carries

A theory is that 15 is from the future, 14 wasn't meant to die here but the Toymaker killing him messes with the timeline so time compensated and split the difference, once 14 has sorted himself out he will likely remerge with 15 later down the line.

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

i would definitely prefer there to not be 2 doctors existing parallel to eachother

@eliselianaboyd2547

6 ай бұрын

I didn't like this ending, we really don't need two doctors

@SeeJay81

6 ай бұрын

@@MurkMovies Then you won't like what RTD has said since it aired. He's claimed that at the moment they split, all the previous Doctor's bigenerated at the same time. So basically all the Doctor's are existing at the same time now. He called it the "Doctorverse." Although it does set up the Curator nicely. Also the Tales in the Tardis Doctors too (which RTD has said are canon but from a different timestream)

@Chris-uu9me

6 ай бұрын

Nope, wrong. When the doctor bigenerated he split into two, one regenerated and the other stayed the same. Maybe you don’t like what happened and are trying to explain it away. You can’t start denying things now, accept it, just accept the doctor has split in two, one regenerated and the other didn’t, and both exist at the same time.

@eliselianaboyd2547

6 ай бұрын

@Chris-uu9me if you can give me one good reason why we should have two doctors I would be more than happy to hear it

Wilf wasn’t in the end scene as Bernard got too ill to film it at that stage. He was meant to be in a few more scenes but he just wasn’t able to shoot them at his grand age and his declining health and he passed a few months after he filmed his piece seen in Wild Blue Yonder :((

I relate to RTD big bads because if i had unlimited power id also do Spice Girls dance numbers

I think when he said he's a billion years old he was referencing the events of the episode "Hell bent" when Peter Capaldi was stuck in the confession dial for 4 and a half billion years

The theory everyone has about the hand picking up the tooth isn’t the master! It’s The Rani (if u haven’t seen classic who shes a renegade time lord) since the casting announcement everyone is convinced that Jinkx Monsoon is playing her

fun fact, my family may have been the ones to make stooky bill for the real john logie baird, my family have always been puppet makers, although now its more of a hobby, even i make them, but my great grandfather lived on the same street as baird did when he was experimenting with television, so it is a chance my family indirectly helped invent television by making the puppet its a tradition in my family that at 18 you have to make a puppet to give you your own children when you have them, and my daughters love my one i made who is carved from a very rare and VERY expensive wood thats from the family workshop, brazillian rosewood, i spent an entire year making her, my finest carving, even sanding the wood was done very slowly and finely by hand

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

That's really cool!

@bigfrankfraser1391

6 ай бұрын

@@MurkMovies its all speculation and coincidence but who knows, could be true, but even if its not, ive still plenty of reasons to be proud of being scottish, like baird, my great grandfather was from scotland, he moved to england to sell his puppets, or as his journals state "milk those daft english for all there worth" my favourite journal entry was what made me feel proud of my family, he said "a young orphan girl had been staring in my window every day for a month, i felt so bad every time i saw the poor wee lass, so using scrap wood i had left, i made her a doll and gave it to her, i cried like a hungry bairn when i saw the smile on her face, and it reminded me why i make dolls and puppets, not for the money but for the happiness of those who recieve them" my family may have a deep seated hatred for the english, but were kind old souls, can never stand to see a child upset

@rac3502

6 ай бұрын

Also my granddads friend also worked with John logie baird too

Was great to see Jimmy Carr's cameo at Stooky Bill

So RTD has confirmed this, but 14 will eventually regenerate into 15, so he isn’t immortal or anything like that. RTD has also brought about a bunch of implications from this, suggesting that this bigeneration has caused all other doctors to now be out there in their own tardises doing stuff lol (honestly probably just a way for RTD to bring back old doctors once again). He also made the distinction that Tennant is now a doctor in the same way the other doctors exist, but THE doctor is Ncuti and he’s the one out exploring the stars: and as someone else suggested in the comments this could explain the curator storyline previously seen, where that doctor exists and is doing that and it’s all been caused because of this bigeneration. In terms of the episode itself, the way I see it, 14 is taking the time to rest because he knows he needs it due to meeting 15 and seeing how much better of a mental attitude he has allows himself to do it. I also wonder if he simply has to take the break because 15 exists: for this 15 to exist, 14 has to take the rest for 15 to be the way he is, and this may simply be a fixed timeline event that has to happen Either way I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. When I got the end my instant thought was “God people are going to hate this” but as someone who’s first experience of who was Tennant and with Donna being my favourite companion, the ending felt like real closure on a point in my childhood and it just made me very happy 😊

the doctor is in fact over a billion years old now. think of the time that’s passed with each doctor since the 10th doctor. i mean 12 was stuck in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years remember

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

I am aware of what happens in heaven sent I just didn't think all the time counted as time added onto his age because every time he dies in the confession dial he is reset to himself as he was when he arrived for the first time. So I assumed he only aged as long as it took him to complete the confession dial on his final attempt

Oh, he's definitely a billion years old. I believe he's referring to the time Capaldi's version spent trapped in his Confession Dial, dying again and again for ages.

@Bhrymm

6 ай бұрын

The Timelords estimated he spent 4.5 billion years in the confession dial

@JoeEnglandShow

6 ай бұрын

@@Bhrymm Yeah, I figured he was rounding down like crazy.

if you count breaking through the wall to Galifrey that probably took a billion years.

The Doctor pre-dates all other Time Lords. He could be a billion years old. He also lived over a billion years during the time of the season 10 episode, Heaven Sent.

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

not to be that guy but while the doctor did 'live' billions of years of time in that episode, he did not age all of that time or remember all of that time. his body is destroyed and reset at the end of each of his attempts to get through the confession dial. so technically he only ages and has memory of the amount of time it took him to get through the dial on his final attempt where he breaks through the azbantium. he just figures out about the billions of years of time he spent in there through clues he finds but he does not actually age or remember the vast majority of that time.

@Logicalleaping

6 ай бұрын

@@MurkMoviesNot to be that guy but the point of the story was that he remembers at the point he reaches the wall. He has all the memories by the time he reaches Gallifrey. Also with a body that regenerates surely the minds memory of how old you are is more important. Even if you don't count that with the 'timeless child' story The Doctor is probably well over a billion.

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

I'd have to check to make sure I'm not misremembering details from the episode but what I understood was that he comes to the realisation that he's been there before based on clues in the environment each time he goes through the dial (rather than actually remembering experiencing those previous events) You make an interesting point about the minds memory being most important but I guess it hinges on the detail I discussed above. And yes with the timeless child plot point the doctor could be ancient but I don't like timeless child shit so I decided to ignore it lol

That footage of stookie bill was actually the first tv image broadcast by John Logie Baird in 1925. They used the real details for the basis of this. Mel was companion with the 6th and 7th Doctors.

They should’ve made the prize tardis have the interior of Tennant’s OG tardis. I know they probably don’t have the set anymore but it would have been nicer. And I think the fact that the gold tooth flashed before he lost was meant to imply that the master made him lose.

"He's not a billion years old" never heard someone so confidently incorrect

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

I am aware of what happens in heaven sent I just didn't think all the time counted as time added onto his age because every time he dies in the confession dial he is reset to himself as he was when he arrived for the first time. So I assumed he only aged as long as it took him to complete the confession dial on his final attempt (also i know about the timeless child. i just choose to ignore that)

the doctor IS actually over a billion years old... he was in the Confession Dial for over 4.5 billion years

@MurkMovies

Ай бұрын

Every time he dies in the confession dial he is reset to exactly as he was when he first arrived. He doesn't age 4.5billion years in there despite spending that amount of time in there

If you count the time he spent in the confession dial, he's over a billion years old

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

I wasn't counting it because he resets to the point at which he arrived in the confession dial for the first time each time he dies inside it

@Bhrymm

6 ай бұрын

It's implied that when he gets to the wall and figures it out, he remembers all of it. I'm guessing part of the Timelords torture to get his "confession"

I love this ending, is it dumb, cheesy and an asspull yeah, but someone pointed out, probably only possible due to the toymakers influence, it screwed with reality enough for it to happen. I love that tennant gets his happily ever after, even if he evntually dies and regenerates nto the 15th.

yep Billion.. Capaldi was stuck in his dial that long.

I laughed out-loud at your deadpan reaction to the duplication of the Tardis "Is he going to duplicate the pi*ssing Tardis?". Brilliant. Enjoyed your reactions throughout.

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

im the king of deadpan. glad you enjoyed!

After thinking about it for a while, I didn't mind the bi-generation. It makes sense given the setup in the two episodes. The Doctor invoked a superstition at the edge of the universe that allowed myths to become reality (including bi-generation) and Gods and other ethereal beings to cross into the earthly realm, like the Toymaker. So we get a season of more fantasy like episodes, while the Doctor battles these mythical creatures, rather than aliens. And he left things with the 14th Doctor open. For all we know, they could have filmed another scene in which they merge and that could come out later. I think it was previously set up in several ways that the 10th Doctor, in particular, really wanted to settle down and have a family, the one experience he could never have. But now he can because he is still out there. At least til he gets bored. I don't love it, but I don't really think it was out of character.

It's a time loop. Ncuti said, "I'm okay because you fix yourself." Which means, eventually he will turn into the 15th Doctor and be recalled to save himself before moving on. People weren't paying attention.

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I caught that. I just don't like there being 2 doctors at once very much

Okay, how is it that every reactor on KZread already knows that the Toymaker is in this episode before reacting to it?

@MurkMovies

5 ай бұрын

i just watch content about the media I'm interested in and it was known for ages that the toymaker was in the episode

He's an email attachment now 😂

Just chill and enjoy the ride. 😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤

Maybe "The One Who Waits" is that samurai sword wielding version of Amy Pond from the Girl Who Waited, who is out for revenge.

@glennparker7028

6 ай бұрын

But didn't she died at the end of that episode?

@baybarsedturner2

6 ай бұрын

@@glennparker7028 Good point. It's just the only "X who waited/waited" reference I can think of, unless it's a new villain entirely.

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

That's the only thing I could think of too

That sure was an episode of Doctor Who 🙂

ps i saw first ep in1963 at the en d my bro and I said WTF.!!! PPS I'm now 66 and I can still say WTF ❤❤😢😢😊😊😊😊😊😊

Seems like they’ve written the new doctor to be well camp quick I’m not sure I like lol

I watch this episode resaly on bbc iPlayer i don't have the regeneration in this episode makes sense

Loved the episode, and loved all 3 specials, they were all unique in their own ways and I probably loved the 14th Doctor even more than 10. When he started to regenerate and said Allons-y, I had a big smile on my face, as gutted as I was that this was the last we were seeing of Tennant, it was great to see him back for a proper farewell, a little bit happier than 10, with his companions by his side. Then we got this bi-generation. Now I don’t know how that’ll end up but I really don’t like the idea of 2 Doctor’s continuing to exist. If it was a short term thing I’d probably be ok with it, and 14 eventually leaving forever at some point, but him now going off with his own TARDIS and chilling out with Donna’s family was a bit annoying (and I LOVE Tennant’s Doctor) But the whole point of the show is that it moves on, but I thought Ncuti was phenomenal, and I’m glad he had plenty of time in this episode to show his portrayal of the character, which I’m sure will lead people to watch the Christmas special to at least see what he’s like. Mixed emotions for me. Absolutely loved it but it’s just a little niggle for me the way it ended with 2 Doctor’s (not to mention there’s another copy of 10 out there somewhere in the parallel universe as well)

I enjoyed the episode and I think Ncuti will be awesome I look forward to his time as The Doctor but I have to say I'm a big fan of this whole bi-regeneration I think this was done because RTD has no confidence for his new star and it felt lazy if I'm completely honest the whole point of regeneration is old body dies new one is reborn even though the Doctor is the same man Tennant is treated like he is a seperate person from his previous Doctors it would had been better if they just had David changed into Ncuti that would had made less things complicated now there's going to be this tired theories that Tennant will come back which that will slightly annoy me.

you should do a movie reaction to home alone 3

@MurkMovies

6 ай бұрын

stay tuned brotha

@Jerry11405

6 ай бұрын

@@MurkMovies your reaction to the traps will be great!

I have zero concerns about 2 Doctors and 2 Tardis. This is well explained in the episode and throughout the 2 others. This was BY FAR my favorite of the 3 and WBY was easily the 2nd and Star Beast (which I loved) was also my least favorite. Stop trying to figure out how this will work and let's see what they do. This is literally the show that coined the phrase Timey-whimey. Stop overthinking it. As far as 15? For a new doc appearance we got more from him in this episode than ANY other doctor before him and I thought he was brilliant. I am SO excited for the new season and of course, for Christmas.

What a surprise.....RTD manages to get the word "BI" to be a main part of the doctor's regeneration.....

@GhostNappa2k10

6 ай бұрын

What a surprise, people are getting upset over dumb shit.

@MichaelRowe-cv3oq

6 ай бұрын

@@GhostNappa2k10 I suppose i should be greatful that "The Message/Woke" shite did not feature too heavily this time....I still think Dr Who is beyond saving i`m afraid.

@GhostNappa2k10

6 ай бұрын

@@MichaelRowe-cv3oq "The Message/woke shit" which Doctor Who has always very, very openly had, even before the 2005 revival.

@772Dinoman

6 ай бұрын

@@GhostNappa2k10 Exactly! They obviously haven’t seen 3’s stories like “The Green Death” where Jo quits UNIT to protest against climate change and pollution in 1973! Also, “Invasion of the Dinosaurs” where the villain tries to reverse climate change by bringing back the dinosaurs. “The Curse/Monster of Peledon”, “”Colony In Space” etc.

@MichaelRowe-cv3oq

6 ай бұрын

@@GhostNappa2k10 What nonsense,next you will be telling me that Non Binary actually means something.

Why did Neil Patrick Harris (the Toymaker) have a German accent, is that woke? It felt as if Jemma Redgrave (Kate Stewart) didn’t have her heart in it either, as if she didn’t believe in the storyline, her acting seemed wooden or over acted and not at all her usual standard. Whilst the concept of planting a subliminal image embedded in the transmission of Logie Baird’s dummies head, had potential and the laser gun might have been a great piece of CGI, for me Harris and Redgrave’s acting was appalling and as for the game of catch, it was a load of b******s as far as I’m concerned. Didn’t like the bi-regeneration thing, again very clever computer-generated imagery, but did they have to hug each other and as for Ncuti Gatwa’s pants, my wife found this a real turn off and has already gone off Gatwa as the Doctor. Then we get the family get together with David Tennant at the end, I’m sorry this isn’t Doctor Who, it’s a joke!

maybe he becomes the curator or maybe he becomes the fugitive doctor