Excuse me, but I subscribe to this channel for leftist politics, not your wacko opinions on Magic: The Gathering!

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Can you stop making everything political for once??

@c.jhamblin5759

2 жыл бұрын

TCC main breadtuber

@Thomas-vn6cr

2 жыл бұрын

Jeez leave some chadness for the rest of us you two.

@acuriouscase1931

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas-vn6cr there is nothing chad about being a leftist.

@aliasmcdecoy8349

2 жыл бұрын

This comment is money! Oh wait...Commies don’t believe in money...

"I'm polyamorous, not Rain Man!" lmfaoooooooooooo

@brick4939

2 жыл бұрын

♥️

@atlaswar2425

2 жыл бұрын

Hello magicmansam

@HereticalGeek

2 жыл бұрын

I'm stealing this line!

@Red-Tower

2 жыл бұрын

@@HereticalGeek same tho

@haruhisuzumiya6650

2 жыл бұрын

Same energy as aquaman comment by Hbomberguy

Being excited about Magic is literally my job, and I can't keep up with all this.

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

FULLY SAME

Hey, this is 2023 speaking. In a year where we got two sets about a multiversal war between Phyrexians and everyone else, an epilogue set that involved the Pinkertons, a Lord of the Rings set, a Doctor Who set, the return to Eldraine and Ixalan, and one ridiculously overpriced set where four packs of fifteen cards each cost 200 USD, this video is preaching to the choir, and that's not even counting the secret lairs (I've basically tuned out all secret lairs since I found out about them).

I have to say bottom line, the designers and employees at Wizards of the Coast have been hitting homerun after homerun, theyve made such a wonderful game, and its heartbreaking to see that they arent getting the compensation they deserve.

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Full agree. The content is incredible, i just wish they were truly reaping the rewards, and it was being spaced out so i could appreciate each addition more

@Matthhou

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, with just one caveat: they don't have enough time to playtest and that's how you end up with Oko... There has never been so many banned cards than in the last years. Hope they can correct that.

@czcbearsrule1

2 жыл бұрын

I know Spice said they aren't getting the "compensation they deserve," but source? Are employees not offered stock option, literally the way to harvest the profits of the corporation you are part of... Are their saleries below market level? Are they not in a good work environment? I know a few years ago there were some articles about discrimination in R&D, but IDK how true that is now, and also that is not what Spice was referring to.

@matthewspeck5467

2 жыл бұрын

@@czcbearsrule1 I believe the point Spice was getting at is the fact that profits are calculated after paying the workers, so when a company is announcing record profits on top of releasing increasing amounts of product, then that tends to mean that the money being earned for the company isn’t being paid out to the workers, but instead is surplus value that then gets put towards making more money. I don’t believe we hear anything from the people at WoTC getting big bonuses for pulling off amazing sets, so if anything the lack of people at wizards talking about how much extra money they are getting while WoTC flaunts its profits paints a very specific narrative.

@czcbearsrule1

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewspeck5467 Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You can’t say well we haven’t publicly heard about their compensation so they must not be getting compensated well. Yes, the definition of profits is the capital earned after expenses, but that does not mean that the employees are not getting “fairly” rewarded for their efforts. You can’t just say someone isn’t getting rewarded without evidence. Surplus value making more profits could mean hiring more R&D staff, paying staff more to encourage keeping talent, making the work environment better to get the best out of staff (for instance free lunches), etc. Also, hasbro is public if workers want to own their profits just buy stock….

I've felt burnt out and overwhelmed by MTG products quite a while ago. Seeing where it has gone by now I'm happy for my wallet and my sanity that I have checked out when I did.

@xarexare2

2 жыл бұрын

My friends and I are dedicated to keeping each other accountable for when we spend on magic. We buy booster boxes together for draft and we buy a few singles every rotation for EDH and that’s it.

@joecold1243

2 жыл бұрын

I dropped off right after the War of the Spark stuff. I saw the oversaturation on the horizon, and decided that as someone that only plays EDH, it would be nearly impossible to stay up to date in a format that is always out of date

@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496

2 жыл бұрын

Procure singles and vibe

@joecold1243

2 жыл бұрын

@@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496 that was what I did for years, until WotC started flooding the market and making it even harder for Standard and EDH players to keep up

@unai49999

2 жыл бұрын

@@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496 standard deck singles are usually overpriced. For example rouges ended up higly priced even tho the low rare count. Not to talk about esper yorion, emergent ultimatum decks. Standard is expensive even if you keep it to singles. Yeah, of course there are budget friendly decks, but you are lucky if one of those matches your preferences and It's a miracle if it dosen't get run over by the expensive version of the same gameplan (still talking about standard)

Man this hits different in 2023 with a new set every month at premium prices

@helios566

2 ай бұрын

Man I just can't figure out why I keep leaving the hobby for months at a time because I feel stressed and exhausted whenever I engage with it.

@goosewithagibus

2 ай бұрын

Even more so in 2024

@OnDaShortBus

26 күн бұрын

Yupp

"THIS ISN'T HOW I SHOULD FEEL ABOUT THE MAGIC OR THE GATHERINGS" has a brodway villain vibe. And made me laugh more than it should

Casual Hobbyist here who literally started with AFR: This is a really weird time to get into Magic. The way people were talking about Strixhaven or Kaldheim those sets sounded like they came out ages ago, not both this year. It's impossible to get any *real* sense of time or scale for products released the past couple years because *nobody* has that sense anymore. Preview season is eternal, and I didn't even realize AFR had just come out by the time I properly started, I'd seen friends talk about it for what felt like forever. Because there is never any break or rest.

@Case2_0

2 жыл бұрын

Well to be fair, the majority of people haven’t recovered a sense of time after it was obliterated by the pandemic

@ByzanQueen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Case2_0 Also totally a factor! The product onslaught is certainly not helped by the current global situation.

@Case2_0

2 жыл бұрын

@@ByzanQueen the product announcement video from last week showed off only 6 sets for next year, so what I’m thinking is that they pushed all the 2020 sets they could and combined it with 2021.

@revenantproxy9100

2 жыл бұрын

I've probably only been into it for like a year now, and I think the product model has given me less incentives to buy products if anything. Because there's always a new thing on the horizon or being spoiled or leaked or whatever, I think that I'll just wait and get that when it comes out because I would rather be as current as possible. But then another thing is announced so I want to wait and get that instead, and so on and so forth. As soon as a set comes out, like you said, it already feels outdated because there's like 4 more announced already.

@Case2_0

2 жыл бұрын

@@revenantproxy9100 I started back during Tarkir, so I’ve been playing for a while. I’ve learned that the best way to stay grounded is to just play Standard at your LGS. I mainly play commander but when my LGS reopens I’m definitely going to be playing FNM every week

I’m over here still looking at “new” ikoria cards 😂

@wizardu7440

2 жыл бұрын

I've only now caught up to Kaldheim

@melonhead7340

2 жыл бұрын

SAME

@s4squati

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen Meandering Towershell?

@sekroyssektor4151

2 жыл бұрын

Yaha😂 I used to Buy a bundle of every new set. Now I try to keep doing that.

@jessArcade

2 жыл бұрын

Magic obviously peaked when they made a Mothra card.

I am so tired of jumping from world to world. It feels like there is no true love for world building. It's easy to make an attractive setting but it takes more time to really explore a world.

@morriax42

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, Kaldheim, for example, could have easily been two sets, as it is the themes and ideas have barely any space to breath

Watching this at the end of 2023 is astounding. A little over one secret lair per month felt like too many back then, so we fixed it by only releasing a little more than one... per week.

*sees Iroas isn't valued* *hugs my Iroas deck* It's okay. Don't listen to the mean man. I still love you

Just look at Command Zone, by the time they're finishing their card reviews the new set is out lmao

@vichuang1480

2 жыл бұрын

They're happy to do it because $$$$$

@daniilmironov6683

2 жыл бұрын

I stopped watching them beacause there's much less actual topics

@37calorieghost35

2 жыл бұрын

@@daniilmironov6683 I've ran into the same problem with North 100, I love the Canadians and their very cool content but like, every single episode is a set review

@daniilmironov6683

2 жыл бұрын

@@37calorieghost35 I can relate, it's sad, even though LRR make a lot of other great videos.

"Previews are going to be previewing the previews at this point." Multiple previewed Midnight Hunt cards were hinting at the events of Crimson Vow, so yes, previews are previewing future previews.

This is so true I was loving kawigama and it respakred my love of magic, only to be dragged kicking and screaming to new capenna after being able to draft once.

"Oh my god, am I a communist? Or worse, British?" "Yes" Til

@jensling

2 жыл бұрын

He has his values right though - being Bri*ish is a lot worse than being a communist ☭ω☭

@MrSloth-sy3rh

2 жыл бұрын

@@jensling but communism has killed 100 million people but what's a few million more for the pursuit of free stuff in the west right?

@jensling

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSloth-sy3rh I think I know what you're trying to say, but unsure if you're sarcastic or misinformed - killing a few million more for the pursuit of free stuff in the west is quite literally what capitalism does, right now, and always has been doing ever since its roots in mercantilist imperialism. And that's not even going into the whole "100 million dead" meme, that even its creators have retracted as misinformed propaganda, lol xD

@captaindaddd6055

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSloth-sy3rh this comment screams uneducated if serious

@MrSloth-sy3rh

2 жыл бұрын

I made that comment in hast but what I meant to say is that capitalism is the choice for good or evil has capitalism done evil yes but with socialism has no freedom of property and the government has all the power with corrupts every time without fail in socialism it's taking the wealth of the rich by force and and it's always by force in socialism it has no privet property so no one cares if it's brought to ruin and if the government steps in it's by fear so it's impossible to make the economy grow it goes against human nature and if you need a recent example of it's failure look at Venezuela it was the most wealthy country in Latin america until socialism happened sorry about the lenth but I needed to make my point clear have a nice day

I started MTG in Amonkhet, and even I can feel the acceleration. When there were two sets per block, it still felt like things were going fast, but I could just about get a grip on the characters, story, card archetypes, etc etc Now everything is releasing constantly, and even though I accept the idea that not all products are for every player, I feel like I don’t even have the time to figure out whether or not a product is for me. I don’t have time to think or form an opinion or enjoy anything, before a brand new plate is shoved in my face. It’s like being at a restaurant, and they give you your meal before you’ve had a chance to start the appetizers. It’s just too much too fast, and it makes it impossible to actually savor what I love about this game- the art, the story, the weaving together of mechanics and flavor- I just can’t get a grip on it before I’m expected to be hype about the newest thing.

@tarultoyarto

2 жыл бұрын

The thing about that "not every product is for every player" is that the process of figuring that out is stressful and time-consuming, because you have to speculate about how playable each card is in your format of choice and whether it's a good deal at the price being offered. And even once you decide not to buy it, there's a firehose of advertising and articles trying to convince you one way or another until the hype cycle starts over for the next product.

I'm really feeling the burnout. I wish I could have gotten excited for and gotten to experience Kaldheim but it came and went before I even realized it existed. The business practices are driving me away. When there's three or four different types of boosters for each set, countless commander products, entirely too many Secret Lair drops, and a bunch of nonstandard sets, I can't keep up and I don't even want to. I'm a player that likes consuming Magic story through the flavor of the cards and I'm not really getting that anymore. The cards are all full of rules text, there's an overabundance of legends to support commander players but I don't know who any of them are, and the main overarching story featured in the story spotlights are kinda awful. And more practically, I'm not made of money so I can't afford to keep up anymore. I've been playing commander and ignoring pretty much anything else. I'm very frustrated with the game. And I'm even more frustrated at the company. Also, #Spice8Right

@Blackadder75

10 ай бұрын

find a few like minded people and just play with 2000-2015 cards or whatever period fancies you. There is enough old stuff to keep you busy for 10 years. And if you feel like it, you can always buy a small amount of newer cards for some fresh input

@bobross8585

10 ай бұрын

Then don't buy the new products that you don't want?

For the record, I adore your audiobook speedruns. They're some of my favorite videos to listen to when I'm bored.

Me and my dad have played and collected since Ice Age & Chronicles. About as enfranchised as you can get. Yeah, the constant spate of releases has burned both us out. The pandemic hasn't helped sure, but there just hasn't seemed to be any point in trying to keep up at this point. The Secret Lair stuff doesn't help either.

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

That sucks so much to hear :(

@TimmytheSorcerer

2 жыл бұрын

Love those sets 🙌 we’re actually planning an ice age tournament in December 🍻

As someone who joined just as Magic allegedly started “going downhill” (started playing around the release of War of the Spark, really got into the game around Ikoria), I haven’t really felt this fatigue because it’s pretty much been like this for as long as I’ve been playing.

@IkeanerReborn

2 жыл бұрын

I've started with Dominaria then got really into it with WAR, and I'm starting to feel it - I didn't at all manage to care for AFR and now it's already being replaced by Innistrad, which i can't even get really hyped for right now. It's a bit sad because I still love this game, but jeez

@greenday4253

2 жыл бұрын

I started around Zendikar Rising and I have to say I am fatigue I don't have the money to buy and go to events because there are so many

@joshuaperrine2019

2 жыл бұрын

I've been playing since 2002 and since about 2017 it honestly has been going downhill

@Yontanian

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder whether if you are "born" into an environment that you are more or less likely to be affected by it than those that experience the environment changing. Not watched the video yet. Looking forward to it.

@cacs2201

2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, every single player has joined "just as Magic allegedly is going downhill" The burnout only exists for KZreadrs and people who play more than one format. It does exist, but it can easily be ignored for most people

The way Spice pronounces "stuff" is one of the most British things I've ever heard.

Well, Mark Rosewater did confirm that wotc was going to keep the hype train going as long as possible by saying that AFR was a successful set because it made them a lot of money. It doesn't matter how the playerbase feels, all that matters is money. I'll be awaiting the video that recaps mtg's downward spiral into failure, because it is inevitable.

@nachoalfonso2614

Жыл бұрын

How so? You just said it made them a lot of money.

@eduardoherrera2368

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it made a lot of money, so it was a success. The company (or the game) will fall when there's no money left and I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon.

@Glumurphonel_64

Жыл бұрын

@@nachoalfonso2614 Watch the video or educate yourself about the nature of Capitalism.

@Glumurphonel_64

Жыл бұрын

@@eduardoherrera2368 Watch the video or educate yourself about the nature of Capitalism.

I've been checked out since Commander Legends but I always feel so bad for you mtg creators. It makes me really sad that the Command Zone Podcast is pretty much only set reviews now.

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Aye I totally didn't realise that they don't really have time for anything BUT set reviews now

@MarkovChains223

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit, I didn't know you played MTG too!! Can we get all of the lefitst/Commie content creators that play magic together for some EDH for our viewing pleasure??? Some Marxists: the Gathering, if you will

It's too much; I agree. I've been playing on and off since '94, and very much on since 2017... and these last few years of releases have made me care less and less-and proxy more and more. The only reason I bought fancy lootboxes this last sixteen months is to support my LGS through COVID... But now that they're in a less precarious position, I feel little desire to buy lootboxes of fancy cardboard.

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Fully. Realising proxying was actually a fine thing to do has made me feel much better interacting with this game. Still buy the occasional single from an LGS tho to pitch in

@StackedEDH

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack nice. I'm hella into alters, too... directly supporting artists and getting one-of-a-kind little artworks to play a cool game with? 🤌

Oh God, it feels so good to know i'm not crazy for thinking the same thing in a while, since i was already breathing Strixhaven spoilers even before open a Kaldheim booster pack properly

Looking back at this video and seeing nine secret lairs as a lot is hilarious

Hey! I forgot about god packs. My friend hobbes pulled one and in an act of sheer awesomeness gave everyone in our mtg group a free god. Thats how i got athreos.

The product fatigue really hit me hard when I realized I was buying all the commander precons and never played them. Maybe used a card from them. Even outside of buying sets, it felt silly constantly buying new pieces for my commander deck that I maybe played once a month. I want to like the werewolf set, since that was my favorite tribe when I started. I just can't seem to find excitement for any of it anymore though.

@cacs2201

2 жыл бұрын

Your problem seems more like "I don't have time to play Magic anymore" much more than "I'm burned out by how much they're releasing" I mean, yeah, if you only have one game a month, it's gonna be tough to keep up

@donnylurch4207

2 жыл бұрын

@@cacs2201 I don't play Commander much more often than that, but I think there's a definite issue with them overproducing straight-to-Commander cards. For a few years in my early collecting career, I would set aside $~120 a year to pre-order a full set of that year's Commander decks, knowing I wanted to play with at least a few cards from each one and that they'd be a good value later. That has certainly paid off, just looking at the current prices of the mono-color Medallions that have yet to see a printing since Commander 2014 - However, now we have at least 2 waves of Commander a year, each one with at least one or two killer app cards that, if I don't plink down $40+ to buy the deck(s) before everyone catches on and buys them out, will become a must-have staple in a deck I want to build later that ends up selling for more than the entire deck it was packaged in, or close to as high as that price that I may as well buy the deck and get some extra value from the purchase. It's on me that I bought the Osgir deck for Archaeomancer's Map a few weeks ago and haven't opened it yet, but even if I was on top of my organization and deck rotation, it still feels like I'm being manipulated by unprecedented amounts of FOMO marketing.

@cacs2201

2 жыл бұрын

@@donnylurch4207 that's also DEFINITELY not a "too much product" problem, it is a "I look and buy stuff as an investment when I was supposed to be enjoying the game" Your argument shows where your priorities are, and they DEFINITELY aren't in having fun

@impendio

2 жыл бұрын

This happened to me, I bought the set of Ikoria precons to play them sealed with my friends, they have all quit and I’ve sold out of 80% of my collection since. I have only a couple of commander decks and every new set there’s a must buy, objective upgrade or a better thing to ve doing in the same colors or design space, power creep is fucking real more than anything else. I got some MH2 cards for Duel (1v1) and the monkey got banned there before they arrived in the mail, after thinking for days about cuts and includes and the meta, the cards arrived and I burnt put and haven’t play them yet. Now the new set has a better 2 mana kill spell and a cantrip, and people are off the strat I was building against. Who can even keep up with anything anymore?

@marcoriley9116

2 жыл бұрын

@@donnylurch4207 This is an underrated comment ^^^ my first buy-in to commander was C17, and I didn't know I hit the jackpot with Markov and Ur-Dragon. Since, I've been throwin bucks at other product that hasn't spiked as hard, or at all, and I'm feelin like this is a gamblers market.

It just dawned on me that even in Secret Lairs, a product where the content wasn't supposed to be random, there are still singular cards that can be different from one another. And they decided to put commander exclusive cards in Set and Collector boosters, not the precons. WoTC is going full lootbox nowadays

The moment I felt burnt out by both the game and product I stopped collecting and playing. I was emotionally attached after 20 years of the game but in all honesty, I don’t miss it at all now. I can still enjoy all the magic content around without investing any money or worrying about my decks becoming obsolete.

@SomeYouTubeTraveler

2 жыл бұрын

What are you spending all that surprising new surplus of hobby money on? You never really realize how much of a money hole MTG was til you've been out for a while, and your bills start getting mysteriously easier to pay...

@sulmenite6938

2 жыл бұрын

@@SomeKZreadTraveler I’ve been slowly collecting flesh and blood cards but I’m spending nowhere near what I did on Magic. Once I was out of that consumer emotional loop I was more able to see it for what it is and be more conscious of my hobby spending.

These last 2 years were a nightmare, the thing that cut my legs out from underneath me was the roadmap of 2022, remember the last one that was kaldheim themed, and the one before that that was adventure themed The most recent one was just a glorified shopping channel production. Also, personal take: secret lairs should never have been advertized, they should have stayed in the background as their own little newsletter secret catalogue, that was the whole point of the "secret," advetising them nust makes them another big collector item for cash cows

@watapon3415

2 жыл бұрын

What would be the motivation for Wotc to keep them in the background? They just care about the money.

@Silver_light77

2 жыл бұрын

@@watapon3415 one could argue that public opinion and preventing it from negatively affecting their bottom line would be a part of fiscal motivation Yes i am but one person, so I do not believe a single person's opinion would change wotc's mind, but *Many Magic the Gathering Players* have a lot of issues with magic product as it is currently being produced, so hopefully that possible loss of good will and thus possible returning customers can affect a change, my personal biases on how will still remain just that, personal. With that in mind, its a can of worms that can't be closed at this point, secret lairs are premier, mainstream high priced collector items so my own opinions on them are moot

Even as a newer player with no point of reference for slow output, I still can’t remember half of the legends printed in AFR, or Strixhaven, especially not Kaldheim (and I love Kaldheim)! It’s just very taxing to keep up with such a high-output monster

@26:07 just loved the proxy thanks for showing another way to use proxys :D

14:57 OMG Spice! Noyan Dar was a favourite of mine too! I was still playing 60-card Casual in those days and this deck was SO much fun! It remains in my collection somewhere.

Of all the places I didn't expect to hear Fleshgod Apocalypse at 110% speed, this is definitely up there.

Ive started proxying a bit ago, but all of this, just, reinforces my decision. No possible reason for there to be this many products its just insane. Thanks for your perspective!

@Aigis31

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! I am now just going to start looking at the sets and cool designs, then proxy out what I want and play with them. I am not gonna spend this much just to keep a few casual decks "up to date" since that is just an endless cycle of replacing old with new, even if "old" was just 3 months ago

@TacticalTypos

2 жыл бұрын

Let's go deeper and play a closed format like Premodern!

@JujuInFlames

2 жыл бұрын

The last mtg product I bought was maybe a throne of eldraine, I have honestly no idea, definitely more than like 5 or 6 sets ago. I started proxying and I love it, 6 commander decks and I plan on making more, there’s no way I could’ve done thay if I had to buy every single card

The trick is completely ignore spoilers and announcements, then when you can enjoy your current set with plenty of time until the next set drops.

@Dracinard

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, as long as you can find a playgroup full of people who agree with you on that. If you can't, well, hope you enjoy feeling left out.

As a hobyist, I feel burned the hell out, I just tapped out, set releases are like watching cars pass on a highway, especially because we know like, the next 10 sets in advance

Finally a spice vid talking about stupid capitalism. Wet dreams come true some time

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Oh just you wait to see where this channel's going baybee

@ericlemesany2614

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack I love the sound of that 😎

@SomeYouTubeTraveler

2 жыл бұрын

Why doesn't anyone realize that without Capitalism, there'd be no game in the first place? No Communist government's ever gonna assign the job "Card Game Designer" when there's much more "productive" things to do. China's already mandating less video game time for kids. Better things to do with your life for your country, I suppose.

@ericlemesany2614

2 жыл бұрын

@@SomeKZreadTraveler ah yes the age old, "u use a phone so ha get rekt" wow thank you for really taking the time and effort to make a well thought out argument, that definitely hasn't been disproven many, many, many, MANY, times before.

@SomeYouTubeTraveler

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericlemesany2614 What "disproven" argument are you referring to? Just making sure I have a clear understanding of your stance before I open my mouth and immediately get accused of straw man fallacies and whatnot. I've taken that bait before and I'm not in the mood, lol

oh neat, a proxy video shoutout. :P

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Of course! ;) It's one of my favoruites

While I totally understand shelving the Audiobook Speedruns, I just wanted to put my voice out there and let you know I really love them and appreciate the effort you put into them! ❤️ I consider them real gems of the channel

I love your videos so much! keep up the good work

excellent video. the massive glut of products, some which are very exclusive and expensive, is one of the reasons I've essentially stopped playing and buying MtG entirely. I'm just not a fan of how WotC is running things currently and it sours the whole game for me.

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your perspective :)

I'm pretty sure I said the following on the Prof's video too but....with all these releases I'm getting "the video game crash of 1981" vibes. We I'll reach a critical mass soon. Hopefully our game doesn't kill itself.

17:45 For what its worth I love to rewatch your audio book speedruns. Those things are genuinely hilarious and show so much of your sense of humor. That being said I love all your content so if they're too much production wise, drop em. I just wanted you to know people love all your content, don't over think what goes well with algorithms or whatever. If the template lets you be creative We'll love it.

The only things keeping me in the loop about MTG at all are MTGGoldfish’s daily spoilers and Nizzahon’s limited set reviews

For me, I just ignore like all but 1 or 2 sets each year. It makes everything manageable

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

honestly, i wish i could be doing that in this line of work lmao

Can't wait to explain the intersection of Marxist Economics and Magic the Gathering at my local, extremely rural and conservative, game store! I've been longing for human interaction since the pandemic and this will be just the thing to win me friends and (MANY) lovers!

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah Jordan :D You go get 'em!

@jordansouthcott5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack Update: I'm not allowed in the store anymore but I did leave a crate of photocopied copies of Das Kapital I illegally printed at my local University so I'm sure I'll have some converts soon enough

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordansouthcott5180 What a wildly irresposible use of printer paper :D

once again I'm positively surprised by the use of random fleshgod apocalypse music in your videos, never gets old

Just got back into Magic now that my area has recovered from the pandemic Having to deal with all these rapid-fire releases on top of getting myself up to speed with the year and a half of magic I missed is mind numbing

My main problem with the product overload is that all of the product are trying to sell to commander players and ruining other formats in the process. If they used standard products to print cards for standard, commander products for commander cards, and modern products for modern cards, there wouldn’t be as much of a problem.

@trevthetree9838

2 жыл бұрын

Just my opinion, but I think most of the stuff printed in Standard and Modern sets aren't really made for Commander cards. We'll usually only have 1 made for Commander card per set that still works in Standard. I've seen quite a few print for Modern cards printed in Standard, but not many for Commander. Modern Horizons 2 I couldn't make a Commander deck around General Ferrous Rokiric, but I could easily make a Modern deck for it. Closest thing to "made for commander" that I can think of are legendary creatures, but I think it's easier to see cards as "made for commander" when Commander is a 100 card singleton casual eternal format, which accepts cards from all over Magic's history. Sorry if I couldn't get my points across well, I'm not too good at ordering my thoughts.

@marekvincibr5884

2 жыл бұрын

Except they are doing that. Hey remeber the whole "commander horizons" thing? Hell do you remeber when people had the same attitude to mh2?

I can't believe my main source of knowledge about Marxist theory comes from a Magic: the Gathering KZreadr

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOO

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

New twitter banner

@milohobo9186

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you get Marxist theory from this Magic: the Gathering KZreadr. Hopefully, we can get more sources for you sooner rather than later.

The overwatch analogy aged like fine milk

Oh goodness, I empathize with all of the feelings you share in this video so much, as well as agree on many of the points you make. I started playing at a similar time, and have just generally been checked out for a similar period of time. I'm unable to synopsize the depth of these feelings at the moment. An anecdote I want to share though is that I was so excited to begin running a Magic club at my LGBTQ+ community center in 2019, and it finally reconnected me to an extent since it was playing limited or commander in a good environment. But with that fatigue setting in, the subsequent apathy, the pandemic, and everything... I don't think I can really run that club, or participate anymore in Magic in general! It's genuinely heartbreaking to me since it was a hyperfixation for me for many years, and something I cared about deeply. I think I'll just cherish the time I had with it and move on.

As a regular hobbyist, as you asked, I don't feel overloaded, mainly because I only play Arena and probably will only play Arena as paper is incredibly expensive for what is essentially cardboard I can proxy. My main issue with all these products and record profits which result in more products, is that I don't see them being invested into anything that isn't more product, in my case Arena, which is in a very worrying state right now

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

That's a completely valid perspective, and I fully agree with the reinvestment worry you said.

@morriax42

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, as a pure Arena player, almost all the sets that make it to that game are standard ones, so the speed of product release feels a bit better. It does feel like they could put even a little bit of money into making Arena less of a mess though. Hell, it doesn't even have an ingame "under maintenance" screen.

Weird that we started mtg at the same.time I remember my first prerelease being gatecrash. I remember oloro precon being my into to commander. It's sad to see the bloat in mtg which started for me around eldritch moon honestly

Found your channel through TCC's Shuffle Up and Play. I got out of Standard and Magic altogether because of the quick rotation and being left with cards that I couldn't use in Standard anymore. The cost versus the enjoyment of the format led to me dropping Magic altogether. But I'm thinking of playing again in a different format. Just not sure which one yet.

Excellent video! I enjoy the new spoilers but I agree completely about fatigue and the issues with too many commanders. Keep up the great work.

Honestly spice, this whole thing really wants to see you explore cube in a video. A friend of mine literally referred to my cube once as "a tiny step towards emancipation from capital".

Oh man, when you spoke of having just drafted Forgotten Realms and having to hype for the new set. I feel you so SO hard. This video so was so on point I cannot explain. My new strategy now is pick 1 set out of the jillion each year and buy the singles and goodies of that one. And with the plethora of Commander precons I just pick 1 set of them to buy a year. We need to hinder this cycle and I 100% agree with you on all points. I even got into magic EXACTLY when you did!

And this is why your channel, Scryfall, and Magic Arcanum are basically the only ways I consume Magic content anymore

I love the character progression from "That's right, I'm YOUNG" to "I know, you're old."

Such a perfect video for our family Sunday drive 😇😇😇 what a lovely day for a feud ❤️

The number one mtg channel and the number one political commentary channel teams up

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

At long last, Hakim and Rhystic Studies, producing together!

@Superbajt

2 жыл бұрын

The Quartering and the Quartering? ... (just kidding)

@FishMr3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack omg actual goals tho

@feelingveryattackedrn5750

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack Hakim is so bae like I would take Hakim to meet my parents

@TrainmasterGT

2 жыл бұрын

God Hakim is cringe.

Finally! The mill vs discard video!

The intro sounded like Fleshgod Apocalypse... Awesome! :)

This video pretty much sums up my feelings for magic in the last two years or so, really enjoyed the prof bit. Keep it up mr. spice

This is legitimately an exact summary of my apathy towards mtg over the past months

I used to know what time of the year it was solely based on the release of Magic sets. No longer. I now have no concept of time, all thanks to my obsession with Magic! What a wonderful world to live in!

You’ve put into words what I’ve been feeling for a while. Stopping playing magic about a year back just because I got to busy. But haven’t returned to it because it felt like there was so much stuff being released that I didn’t know how to get back in and keep up with it all

Last time i was this early, Goblins had just 1 planeswalker and Planeswalker wasn't a card type yet.

I'm still buying the Commander precons, but it's as much as I can bear to. It's the only product that's coming out in a cadence I can bear.

I’m 20 minutes in and Mr Spice has mentioned at least three different other topics he wants to/could do videos on. Loving it :)

My first set was Magic 2014, followed up by Theros. I'm a purely casual player, I only really play Commander. My goal was to make a commander deck for every possible colour identity, with the additional challenge of making them all have a different theme or playstyle, and I am around halfway through. But your point about just the constant barrage of new legendary creatures, new 'made for commander' cards and just the perpetual hype engine resonated with me, and made me realise, I haven't picked up my cards since Strixhaven dropped. It's all just too much to remember and to be tweaking THAT many decks constantly, well, it's more stressful than my job. And I'm a health care worker! Love you spice

Oh I can already tell this video is going to be a BLESSING

I can't wait for secret lair Magic: The Gathering KZreadr drop. I want spice on a card. Or I'd honestly settle for secret lair Marxism. Alt art land tax, smothering tithe, etc.

@Spice8Rack

2 жыл бұрын

I'll be real with you T2B, if WOTC ever asked to put my likeness on a cardstock, I'd refuse. Cool proxy artists/fans do that already and that shit's WAY cooler imo

@Spielzeuggeist

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack getting a notification on my phone saying "Spice8Rack replied..." Highlight of my year thus far. I would love to get proxies of you and The Professor @TolarianCommunityCollege. Merfolk tribal where they all have Profs face, goblin tribal where they all have spice's. Would be the best game of commander ever.

@yoissy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack respect the integrity. I think for most people who are big fans of this game, it would be hard to turn down something like that.

@MarkovChains223

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spice8Rack if you do ever refuse that offer, though, please do it publicly so we can all revel in it.

Woah, Spice! You started playing magic the same exact time I did! I started sometime between Dragon's Maze and Theros. Weirdly, I could have sworn that it was earlier than 2013, since I remember getting the 2013 commander decks and I definitely started playing EDH like a year into playing magic. I guess I just got them later? And yeah, theres too much damn product. Its now nearly a year after this video came out an its only gotten worse.

I like that your read the patron names, some of them are really funny

I've definitely noticed that I'm less excited for new releases now than I was a few years ago.

We started mtg at the same time! I agree, there's too much, nothing feels special anymore and the new legendary creatures are just game pieces not cool characters. I'll play Krenko as long as i play magic, yes because it's powerful but also because in a world with Planeswalkers, elder dragons and wizards a mere goblin who is savvy and charismatic can beat them. Great video! Always enjoy them

@SomeYouTubeTraveler

2 жыл бұрын

Same here! My Jhoira deck is basically a big dumb monster-of-the-week showcase that can easily swap in whatever big dumb R/U/C stuff comes out of the latest sets. If I ever get back into MTG, I'm sure that'll be the first and easiest deck to update. And Krenko will never get old either.

That Adam Savidan stock photo is hilarious...damn you Ben I want to see you video about D&D... I can't be the only one nerding about how "Tasha's Hideous Laughter" makes no sense as a mill card

Oh cool spice you and i started playing at the same time thats pretty neat greetings again from aus

This was the best time to take a break from Magic haha, I’m still chilling on Ravnica and watching the world explode from over here

I am 100% burnt out on it, but I love magic and playing last night with friends was amazing ☺️

I love the editing in this one, great work! I agree with your points, especially about 'hype' overlap being excessive. How can I get excited about something when I won't even have an opportunity to enjoy it? But I think the problem is less that there is more product available - a lot of people, including me, would never buy standard so it's nice to have more products that aren't related to standard, but when there's so many new cards being designed, it must be exhausting for the designers. I don't think it's sustainable.

I popped when you mentioned Gyome. The dude I was also most excited about and have completely forgotten.

Thank you SO much for making this, Spice! I feel like I'm constantly shouting into a void about this, as my friends, subreddits, and other content creators I follow act like this product overload isn't happening or is somehow a huge positive for us (and the game). With this deluge of products, I've basically had to stop following any limited content and more or less give up sealed and draft, create spreadsheets for every set in order to track potential new cards and prices for my existing or new Commanders, and generally debate dropping MtG wholesale. It's EXHAUSTING just as a player, so I can only imagine how drained you and other creators get about this. How are we supposed to analyze and master the game if we only get 7-10 days between spoilers for some new product? How are staple prices ever going to drop if there's just more and more FLASHY NEE CONTENT and never even a break for a Core Set that's just 40-60% reprints? How will any chase cards be "the right value" to put in a Precon without breaking WotC's impossible notion of "balance" and "availability to new players" or whatever bs they trot out to keep every Commander Deck from coming with a shockland and a Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe? I knew it was gonna be bad when Wizards PR faces were saying certain products just "weren't made for" me. Now I'm coming to see, maybe the whole game isn't for me. And that's tragic.

Been more and more casual the less time I've had to play. Still love the game, still intend to keep playing, but most product releases for me boil down to checking the spoiler page after previews are done and being like 'oh that's cool', and then checking out and not caring afterwards.

I like how this is getting recommended to me after wotc tried doing assassins creed spoilers before mh3 officially released

0:50 the search bar i'm dying

13:00 This is part of the reason I don't play any competitive magic. There's not point in spending money on cards when they will be worthless in just a few months.

i got into magic just about the same time spice did, and yeah. things have become so... un-followable. Impenetrable even. I stopped following magic story after Amonkhet and stopped buying product about the same time, occasionally popping in to arena to play with friends. I miss magic, but getting into standard would be a waste, paper magic is getting phased out bit by bit anyways, and Flesh&Blood is right there.

@ceulgai2817

2 жыл бұрын

The idea that paper Magic is being phased out is such an absurd one to me.

@exclamatia

2 жыл бұрын

@@ceulgai2817 its not truly, i know. but it definitely seems that wizards sees arena and their eyes just turn into dollar signs. A program with no way to obtain singles outside of opening enough packs to get wildcards? AND we can skip the physical print process??? I know paper magic is sticking around. But i seriously wonder where the focus will shift for them in the next few years.

@ceulgai2817

2 жыл бұрын

@@exclamatia The money is most definitely in paper Magic. That's where there focus has been, it's where it is now, and it's where it will continue.

@exclamatia

2 жыл бұрын

@@ceulgai2817 I want so badly for you to be correct my friend. Time will tell.

You are just a fantastic human thank you for existing on this platform

You've voiced my thoughts so nicely, thank you! I'm playing the game since 2003 and I am approaching the point of quitting for good.

Can we take a second to acknowledge the fact that this rain man made a detailed, funny, 30 minute video for us

2022 And I'm Still Processing Strixhaven

Spice8rack is your favorite MTG youtuber's favorite MTG youtuber.

Oh dang, we got into the game at the same time! Can't describe how nostalgic I get when I see packs of Dragon's Maze and that duel deck Sun Titan art lol It's really sad to think of how I felt about the game back then compared to the apathy I have toward it now