When I went to the Australian War Memorial in Canberra, there is a small exhibit dedicated to the HMAS Sydney which contains the only surviving life raft from the Sydney. With the Sydney being lost with all hands, it is quite solemn and harrowing to look upon the life raft, especially considering it is straddled with bullet holes.

@AquaticPhoenix

7 ай бұрын

Oh God.... that's.... dark....

@Corristo89

4 ай бұрын

Komoran riddled her with 15cm shells, 3,7cm anti tank rounds and 2cm anti-aircraft shells. The AA guns probably caused the worst casualities, as AA rounds are set to explode with shrapnel, which shredded anyone caught out in the open. Not that being inside the ship made much of a difference, as the two ships wre basically at point-black range, meaning that Komoran's shots could penetrate nearly every part of Sydney and Sydney was caught off-guard, despite having been the one to act as the initial aggressor (Komoran would've happily run away and avoided a battle). The raft was most likely hit by shrapnel and floated off the burning wreck when Sydney disappeared beneath the waves, taking every man down with her.

@develfirepro7786

Ай бұрын

So that turret,, that you had explained in the debris field that was ripped off like the turret was ripped off as she sank this is one of the most brutal sinking followed by the violent Yamato sinking of the Second World War it is sad that we are seeing this

You say this is a long vid, but I'd watch you describe pics of shipwrecks for hours if that was how long it takes. Keep up the great work.

@ColinFreeman-kh9us

3 ай бұрын

Well said

The sharp contrast between the black-and-white photos of HMAS Sydney before her loss and the color photos taken of her wreck paint an eerie image...

If you want an in depth explanation about the Sydney's sinking, Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs did an amazing job covering it. Great video!

I was 12 years old when it was reported that they Sydney had been found, i remember sitting transfixed to the TV as every single story was about her and her discovery. i hope now she has been found her poor crew may now rest, their duty to their country done, knowing they have been found and offiically relieved of their posts and laid to rest with full honours

@Bobtowngarden

8 ай бұрын

I didn’t know she sank. Of course, I never heard of her.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

i not payed much attention to finding the Sydney... i have been more impressed by finding of Komoran at the exact position Cpt Detmers stated... the Aussie navy never believed him, some even wanting him hanged as a pirate in Australia... that says enough to call the Aussies a sore loser... but its always good to know, if you want to get rid of Aussie warship, just send a German sailing boat!

@dovetonsturdee7033

7 ай бұрын

@@Arltratlo My earlier comments were wasted, as I did not realise that you were merely an embittered German, still resentful of the two heavy defeats your master race suffered in the 20th Century.

The show drain the oceans has a grate segment on this wreck with grate 3d renderings of the wreck.

Deception, surprise, and incompetence. Primarily incompetence. Getting so close that they couldn't even depress their main guns far enough to hit and Kormoran's relatively weak guns could go right through their armor. Ignoring all rules of caution in wartime.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

so, typical British arrogance....

@gofanman8455

Ай бұрын

Deception? LOL have u heard of Operation Fortitude when Patton's soldiers used inflatable tanks and planes to "deceive" the germans. Its war. In war its only incompetence if u lose shamefully like this

One of the problems with light and heavy cruisers in WWII was the inclusion of a spotting aircraft that was launched by catapult. Having aircraft on board required aviation fuel, which was an extreme fire hazard in battle. I would imagine that the Kormoran's torpedo hit just behind the forward turrets, and likely caused fires and detonations in the forward magazines.

@jasondgandrew320

6 ай бұрын

The torpedo hit almost right where the sonar was lowered through the hull which was a major contribution to the bow breaking off and causing the sinking.

@tungmai991

4 ай бұрын

DSTO (Defence Science and Technology Organisation) did an in-depth analysis of the sinking from all the evidence collected, and concluded that the bow broke off after she sank. They believed that the sinking was caused by water entering the ship via the many shell holes, compounded by the collapse of watertight bulkheads. Effective damage control would have been extremely unlikely due to the massive casualties sustained by the close-range shelling. All boats and Carley Floats were riddled with holes, so any survivors would have drowned or succumbed to exposure.

so many of us watching probably have the feeling of..'wonder what the last moments were like'...had to be a horror show, the turret with a bullseye did that for me..thanks again Sky..surely have been putting out a lot of content of late..

A real tragedy. Why such a powerful cruiser would come to such close quarters with an unknown ship, while knowing the Kormoran was in the region, was foolhardy. Sydney should have challenged the Kormoran from a distance where her firepower could havesunk the raider while giving Sydney a chance.

@BHuang92

8 ай бұрын

Poor captain decision, and sheer dumb luck

@kennethhanks6712

8 ай бұрын

@@BHuang92 Maybe not too much "luck" as German captain and crew were both well trained and iron nerved and made as much of their situation and advantages as possible.

@davidluck1678

8 ай бұрын

Sydney's mission at the time was precisely to look for German commerce raiders operating in the Indian Ocean. The usual procedure, day in and day out, was to stand well off from any ship under inspection, train all weapons on it, then send a boat over. Evidently, after a wearisome, fruitless couple months of doing this over and over again, Sydney's captain - Joseph Burnett - got sloppy and he and the entire crew paid the death bill.

@mikes7639

8 ай бұрын

Hind sight is easy to site as its always something else to much up plans

@jjw2632

8 ай бұрын

EXACTLy. Sydney should EASILY have been able to defeat a merchant raider with a couple of army cannons bolted on. They were also ( by German reports ) which turned out to be true blase and NOT at their action stations when they came up alongside the Kormoran .

The 15 cm SK L/40[Note 1] was a German naval gun that was used as secondary armament on pre-dreadnought battleships, protected cruisers and armored cruisers of the Imperial German Navy in World War I. It was also used as a coast-defence gun during World Wars I and II.

As a retired sailor it sickens me that the captain was so reckless and didn't even pay attention to his orders! The captain is responsible for everything that happens to and on the ship and he's responsible for all those sailor's deaths! May they rest in peace until the sea gives up her dead!!!

@sirboomsalot4902

Ай бұрын

Apparently there is some evidence that suggests Sydney was under orders to try to board any raiders she found

May she and the crew forever rest in peace

I was initially confusing this wreck with that of the HMAS Perth, the namesake of my hometown. Sadly there is actually something of this wreck to photograph, whereas the Perth has been extensively removed and desecrated by Chinese Salvors very Illegally as it is supposedly a protected war grave, very sad. I was hoping that maybe one of the turrets could be recovered and preserved and mounted somewhere around Perth as a monument to the heroic crewmen who went above and beyond the call of service in a futile last stand, maybe this could be done for the Sydney as the opportunity still exists. There is actually an annual Regatta held every year on the 3rd Sunday in Februaryt at the Nedlands yacht Club near Perth called the - wait for it - HMAS PERTH Regatta which commemorates the sinking of this ship and dignitaries from the Australian Navy , local Govt and extant survivors when this was possible also were invited, they bring a sizeable scale model of the ship to the club also. It's a crime that things like this go to pass unpunished and largely unpublicised..

Imagine losing to an inferior ship because you think you are superior and don't go in with all guns at the ready. Just pain nuts and very humiliating.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

nah, its British arrogance, no wonder they run from France in 1940... only if they have numbers on their side, Brits attack..... while Germans dont care for numbers and attack anyway!

@tungmai991

4 ай бұрын

You have to be alive to feel humiliated.

@jamessheehan1503

3 ай бұрын

Sadly true! Always have your defense ready for all eventualities you can always stand down if your alive and your threat isn’t realized. R.I.P. Sydney Shipmates. 🙏🙏

My father went to England to crew the Sydney, fought the Italians in the med then returned to Australia was feted in Sydney with the ships company then sailed to Fremantle , he went ashore to sit/train for his petty officers rank leaving some of his kit aboard , Sydney sailed and the rest his history. When he finally spoke about his ship in his old age he said ‘ captain collins would never have got that close to the cormoran. He never got over the loss of his shipmates imo.

I keep wishing that someone would 3d scan these wrecks, even if it were just for analysis. That would give us the ability to at least semi reconstruct what the ship looked like before it sank, and show the most likely cause of sinking.

@tungmai991

4 ай бұрын

National Geographic did an episode of "Drain the Oceans" ("Nazi Secrets") which covered the Sydney-Kormoran battle. It includes 3D reconstructions of Sydney before and after the battle. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqWtpZeKotnYedo.html

In the book the hull damage at 19:58 is one of several images referred to as 'a few of the 47 or more 15cm shell hits on the starboard side of the hull'

thank you very much...a sad ending for Sydeny, but what is really horrid is all of the wooden boat's that no one was able to use to escape.

Great job my grandfather brother was on the Sydney

Great presentation. Please note that it is the ROYAL Australian Navy. ❤️🇦🇺

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

what is that??? you are not a republic, shocking.... are you joining the new empire the UK is founding soon???

Experienced crew, inexperienced captain. Very sad loss.

@ALA-uv7jq

7 ай бұрын

Highly regarded by thr establishment but inexperienced in command and combat.@@highcountrydelatite

@ALA-uv7jq

7 ай бұрын

So Mr historian. Do you think Burnett showed his experience and caution in wasting 600 plus lives or was he just a sucker to a clever enemy?@@highcountrydelatite

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

in other words, the bridge officers been worth nothing...

Rest in Peace gentlemen.

@tungmai991

4 ай бұрын

Yes, it's hard to comprehend that the entire crew of 642 perished.

Hi. In 2002 I was scampi fishing off western Australia, Geraldton. The trawler got hooked up and we hauled up a fire hose, hours later. After seeing the documentary on the discovery of the warship in 2007 or 2008 its likely that it was from the Sydney. Coincidentally, our engineers name is Sydney.

It's probable that the reason she got so close was they thought they'd found the raider supply ship. All the previous raiders has opened fire at long range and tried to escape, but Kormoran didn't, and just acted like a crew of stoned Dutchmen. The trigger point was probably Sydney starting to lower a boarding crew giving Kormoran no option. Sydney was ready to go, she fired first but a bit too high which also backs up the 'trying to capture' theory. There's literally no other reason to be that close at sea so if Burnett had decided it was a supply ship, he'd have had the main guns aimed high (take out boats/bridge etc to prevent scuttling) instead of the waterline. Because they were loaded and aimed high, the first salvo went just over the bridge and only took out a lifeboat. They didn't get a chance to fire a 2nd salvo though and that decided the whole engagement then and there. Some comfort would be that if any of Sydney's crew made it into the water alive and survived a few hours, they'd have seen and heard Kormoran detonate.

Most impresive, thank you for sharing.

A fine ship with a brave crew, RIP.

as i wanted to keep this to a minimum of hurt feelings or pride. The best reason for the amount of damage received by the Kormoran , was by the interrogation of some of the surviving 5.9 gun crews was the fact that the ship began to turn to broadside the cruiser , that the crews from the other 5.9 inch guns that was not going to engage was assisting the guns , instead of one shell handler , each gun had a total of three with 5.9 inch waiting. As the sides dropped , the cruiser had no chance , inside of a minute of the 5.9 firing , they fired a total 15 to 18 rounds , with at least half hitting the target. And before you start screaming , this interrogation was explained twice with the gun captains that survived , it was their initiative to arrange for quick firing , not the captain. And by the pictures of the ship's sides and deck plates show extensive hits from the 5.9, They almost match witness accounts for the action from the guns of the opposing ship. So i can believe from what i seen and read from all surviving accounts , the cruiser in the first opening minutes did not stand a chance to engage as the turrets A and B was knocked out and almost all the cruisers 4 inch M5 guns and fire control and smashing the bridge. I can assure you Aussies , she was caught off guard , but also fought back to badly damage the German ship. So a clear cut win didn't happen , both lost with all of the men dead about the cruiser , and many dead from the Germans.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

and 2 Chinese

"Lost to deception and surprise." How about to incompetence? It was war - that's what happens in a war: people try to win.

The sinking of the Sydeny was a great tragedy. Though the Kormoran would have been sunk regardless.

@michaelpielorz9283

8 ай бұрын

depends on the number of Australian cruisers.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

its just shows, Aussies would run away, while Germans know how to fight! Aussies motivation, serve some king and dont get hurt.. Germans motivation, let them pay dearly for showing up! and dont forget, the Sydney who sunk the Emden stood way out of the German gun range and dont stop firing after the Germans struck their flag...they kept firing! Aussies are only brave if they have the numbers, one on one they will always run, just like the Brits always do! ask the French, they know it, too!

@damonrobus-clarke533

7 ай бұрын

Try saying that to an Aussies face- prat.

@Peter_Schluss-Mit-Lustig

5 ай бұрын

​@@ArltratloStop it! Get some help!

@SMarie-zk9oj

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@Arltratlo Ok German wehraboo, who folded Germany at Stalingrad, and would’ve taken almost all of Europe, Soviet Union, who sunk Germany’s most advanced Heavy cruiser with weapons that dated back to the 1890’s-1900’s? Oh I know, NORWAY, a minor nation that sunk the “mighty” Germany’s newest heavy cruiser. The only reason Germany even took Poland was because Petain ordered the French army not to advance any further than the Saarland. Germany’s early success in WW2 was merely them bum rushing unprepared, weak, nations that could not protect themselves at the time, but we all know what happened at the Battle of Britain, we all know what happened at Stalingrad, and Kursk, and Taranto, and Yugoslavia, and Oslo ford, and Normandy, so sorry to break your lil’ fantasy that Germany could ever win WW2, but this is just the truth, Germany would never be able to invade Britain, or be able to strangle their resources due to American trade.

Excellent video and informative.

"Deception and Surprise." And, unfortunately, a major mistake by the Captain. Rest in peace.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

funny, the Brits did the same in WW1 and called hero´s, and if Germans doing it, you call them Pirats... did you know, that people in Aussieland wanted the German crew of Komoran hanged as Pirat´s, because they survived and the Aussie crew got killed by their own cpt arrogance!

Another nicely done , informative video. Thank you for your work. Recommended. I already knew and studied a bit on this fight but, one always learns a bit more and that keeps it so interesting.

The authorities were told all about it. they just didn't accept it. Most of the facts given my the German crew, although not accepted by the authorities, were in fact true. and all information was withheld from the friends abs relatives of the crew, in fact, withheld completely.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

its the normal British behavior, so you been in the Empire, so you will still use British propaganda... so lying is big in your military!

They got a pretty good amount of detailed pictures on either the Samuel B Roberts or Johnston I forget which they may be worth an in depth video or two. And the videos are never too long as long as there's still clues to examine.

The main bone of contention with the Sydney sinking is why Captain Burnett ignored the five-mile rule. The standard procedure in a situation like this is to stand off at a distance of five miles. When Burnett became suspicious of the Kormoran, he radioed Naval HQ in Canberra and he was told that no merchant vessels were known to be in that area of the Indian Ocean. The only account of the engagement is from the Kormoran's crew. Unfortunately, the crew were brought ashore at the small town of Carnarvon in Western Australia. They only had one building where the prisoners could be contained, normally in this situation the officers were kept separate from the crew to prevent them from concocting a false narrative, they were only separated when trucks were sent from Perth to carry them to a POW camp down south. The standard procedure after a naval battle is that all captains, including Captain Detmers, have to write an account of the engagement as soon as possible, but despite many surprise searches of his quarters, nothing was found. Years later it was discovered that he had written an account by using a pencil and putting a little dot under the letters of his German English dictionary so that they could decoded at a later date. One survivor has been found on Christmas Island, a Carley Float, which can be seen in the Australian War Memorial in Canberra, drifted ashore and a skeleton of a man wearing a boiler suit and the rubber soles of a pair of Plimsoles, the canvas upper had rotted away. The islanders buried the body, however a short time later the Japanese declared war, and the islanders disinterred the body afraid of what the Japs might say when they took the island. The location had no headstone, decades later a team of naval personnel conducted a search but found nothing. A subsequent search years later located the grave, using DNA technology they traced the man to a family in Australia. His name is Thomas Welsby Clark.

These were home, men died trying to keep this ship afloat. Nothing I can do will will honor the men of the HMAS Sidney.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

but the Aussies demanded to hang the German crew of Komoran.... so you also want to kill the Germans who sunk your ship, commanded by an arrogant fool?

@dovetonsturdee7033

7 ай бұрын

@@Arltratlo That, little chap, is an outright lie. There is clearly something seriously wrong with you.

Such an unfortunate and sad end for s great ship. RIP.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

its been a warship and a great target, no wonder my folks cant miss it...and its got what it was made for, holes!

Thanks

My Dad,-c.p,o.-gunners mate-20789--H.M.A.S.-AUSTRALIA-battle coral sea/leyte gulf,where the "AUSSIE"-got kamikazied-had a lot of shipmates,on the Sydney,--they were one savvy crew,-that would in no-way fall for,as he said "sucker-trick"-they were let down by that new captain,--who put her up against the fire-power,of a cruiser,-that took it's own sweet time,to line them up,-like home made shooting gallery!--they blasted out the bridge,-A+b turrets,--and with those deadly machine guns,-just hosed her over,--it was then that her experienced "old-hands"-could get in a few shots back !--there is no-way,the original officers,would have been "conned"-like that.-My dad finally died of wounds he got in the Kamikazie attack,on the "Aussie"in 1995,-and his ashes got buried at sea,-by "Royal-Australian-Navy"

Are akk tge boats present?I remember the history of a boat with human remains inside, foun very far away

@Rickkennett143

8 ай бұрын

That was a single life raft found off Christmas Island months later with one body aboard.

Kormoran wreck, so cool

How far off the Australian coastline were they?? Probably explains why no body survived…… and the fact that the Kormoran obviously took out the radio room, so no message got out. …

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

the Germans made it to the coast and got fished up from other ships, i think the Aussie crew been mostly men who couldnt swim, so they will defend the ship longer! and the area is known to have some sharks..!

I managed to get a copy of the book by Davod Mearns about her discovery 😊

And beneath the sea, all are comrades in the deep dark. Love of country become sacrifice for country hopes and dreams become nothing at all. Iron ships and iron men share eternity in the embrace of the brine and the mud and heavy time Duty done. And rust is the medium of existence, twisted steel and rotting wood blood has long washed away and the beauty of youth fed the finned and the frilled. Sleep now and sleep forever brave warriors of the dark deep.

The ship was not patrolling, off the west coast, in fact it wasn't patrolling at all. She had been recalled to Australia and refit and was still on her way home.

@michaelpielorz9283

8 ай бұрын

And then those evil unfair germans started shooting on a hostile warship. how could they dare!

@petefluffy7420

7 ай бұрын

@@highcountrydelatite I take your point, thanks. What I was trying to say id that were not there with the purpose of patrolling but for the purpose if returning to base for re-fit work.

@petefluffy7420

7 ай бұрын

@@highcountrydelatite I know nothing of which you speak sorry. do you mean the 4th HMAS Sydney ? Or you served on her four times? I am not naval in any shape or form, I know nothing of military slang. Or how many ships with the same name have been in service.

@petefluffy7420

7 ай бұрын

@@highcountrydelatiteAs I said in my previous reply I can only guess at what you mean. Association of drunken x-sailors ? an association of sailors who have served on one of the HMAS Sydney ships?

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

its didnt made its appointment!

Would not have the bow ,when it broke off just been inverted with the weight of the anchors dropped straight to the ocean floor and the remainder of the hull continued over the top of the sinking bow ? Still a great video

RIP Leading Cook John William Fisher born 14 Dec 1903 Lambeth who perished aboard this Ship 20 Nov 1941

As no Australian I have to say: yes they were using deception and surprise, BUT biggest faults were done by Sydney's Captain. It's always easy to blame somebody else. War is war sry for those lost sailors.

I would suggest that the open hatches were most likely the crew trying to escape, or that they were never properly dogged down! They are designed to remain shut under pressure. Being blown open without severe damage to the adjoining bulk heads is unlikely.

@tomserna6722

7 ай бұрын

It looks like the internal hatches were all blown off there hinges by hydrodynamic pressure when the ship succumbed to the extensive flooding as it went under and filled with water. As shown at 17:26 with numerous doors clustered together in a vain bid to escape to the outside in a part of the ship he calls the 'bakery'

No she didn’t get lost To deception the captain had a transcript telling them Of a Qship he was advised not to approach any unknown ships to close but he had ignored the advice he put his ship in a unnecessary risk he killed his whole crew with his wrecklessness

Were there any bodies, from I've heard she lost with all of her crew

@tungmai991

4 ай бұрын

One body was discovered in a Carley Float several months after the sinking and buried on Christmas Island. He wasn't positively identified as a Sydney crew member until DNA testing was conducted in recent years. Finally, in 2021, he was formally identified as Able Seaman Thomas Welsby Clark. RIP.

I didn't know the Sydney had been found.

A fighting ship to the very end.

I personally don't think Sydney's loss was due reckless or incompetent action, more complacent. Sydney had been searching for potential raiders for an extended period without finding anything. I suspect the entire crew had become a bit blasé; they saw an unknown ship and expected like always to jus just roll up to find the usual friendly/allied merchant ship that wasn't flying proper identification. It's easy to see how months of that kind of thing breed a level of casualness in the crew, humans are kind of lazy, (it's why we invent things to do work for us) so complacency is something that comes very naturally. The crew SHOULD have always been on alert whenever an unidentified ship was encountered of course, and I believe once the Kormoran survivors gave their account, the RAN did reaffirm operation procedure of standing off as that complacency had become common. And of course the Kormoran was a powerfully armed ship that displaced a similar amount to Sydney with a well-disciplined crew. They waited until all of Syndey's advantages; her belt armour, superior fire control and range and her speed were all nullified The result is the same; Sydney was tragically lost with all hands and her captain is ultimately responsible but I do think there's more to it than "He got his crew killed"

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

its called arrogance, typical to most Brits to this day!

@jasondgandrew320

6 ай бұрын

It's the captain's responsibility to make sure that the crew doesn't become complacent. So that lack, as well as his decision to bring the Sydney so close due to his lack of command experience tends to lead credence to Burnett's culpability.

Enigma decrypts today reinforces the authenticity of the German accounts that HMAS Sydney was ill prepared-for whatever reason. Sad to see the outcome in this distant encounter between two opponents.

7:42 in the photo shown there looks to be a face in the middle of it I could be wrong tho

The wood deck appears to be blackened by fire.

Are you sure it's not due to surprise and alarm? And possibly alarm and surprise. They were after all their greatest weapons... Fear and Surprise!

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

the Aussies are fearless, while arrogant.. the Germans are not fearless, but know to fight anyway!

Which way was A turret facing? Could have gotten ammo racked and started the fire. sydney could have lost power after she started to drift. Hence why the back turrets are locked in postion.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

she drove off the battlefield...under own power, maybe you want to read up more about the battle, its not much Sydney sank by Komoran, Komoran captain smart, Sydney captain incompetent... and Germans hate incompetence!

It appears that the captain of the Sydney was arrogant and incompetent. Accounts from the surviving crew members of the Kormoran indicate that the Sydney was not even at action stations when the shooting started. Until recently promotion in the Australian Navy was often made according to status as a freemason rather than merit as a naval rating.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

@@highcountrydelatite again, close to the unknown ship, no guns ready...crew idle on deck..Capatin Burnett in command... Britsich ARROGANCE enabled... all dead on the otherside, a intelligent captain Detmers.. not arrogant.. knows his position he is in...knows he is dead in the water..knows he will fight...nows where his chances lay... survived....

@dovetonsturdee7033

7 ай бұрын

@@Arltratlo For someone who doesn't seem to know what the word 'arrogance' means, you seem to use it a lot, mon vieux.

@dovetonsturdee7033

7 ай бұрын

How would the crew of another ship know whether another ship was at Action Stations or not?

@jasondgandrew320

6 ай бұрын

​@@dovetonsturdee7033By the observation of gun crews leaning against the railing instead of at action stations around the gun mountings.

@dovetonsturdee7033

6 ай бұрын

@@jasondgandrew320 Perhaps you are unaware that, when Kormoran raised her ensign, both ships opened fire, according to Kormoran's survivors, simultaneously. Sydney with a full eight gun salvo.

Lost to deception and surprise like many marriages 😅.

Is it confirmed by actual real experts that a torpedo hit Sydney? According to historical records, Kommorran could not fire torpedos unless the vessel was stationary. All accounts of the battle show Kommorran was making head way when Sydney engaged.

@jordanalex2392

8 ай бұрын

I believe it has been two were fired one hit the the other just missed the bow

@kennethrouse7942

8 ай бұрын

I read a book a long while back, and which I have either misplaced or given away, that said that the bullet holes in the found lifeboat seem to match the smaller caliber of a Japanese machine gun rather than a German one. And the Japanese navy was infamous for executing survivors rather than taking them prisoner. Until a time machine is invented, I guess we'll never know.

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

@@kennethrouse7942 maybe you want to look for the book and burn it, because your Aussie media is the same lying outfit as the US and UK media... and its a long know fact, that the boats and life rafts are holed from artillery shells...no Japanese submarine machine guns.... i assume, you would vote for Trump???

@jasondgandrew320

6 ай бұрын

A torpedo hit about 20 metres aft of the bow, close to where the sonar was lowered through the hull, which was a major contributor to the bow breaking off and causing the sinking.

A truly terrible episode. R.I.P.. 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

depends, i am proud about Captain Dertmers!

Lost to Deception and Surprise or .........

The Aussie claimed the German ship was incapable of sinking the cruiser Often claimed the Japanese sent submarines into the area to assist or sink the cruiser Australia made these claims for decades after the war They simply was fooled into believing the vessel was a standard large cargo ship And with their arrogance got them surprised and crippled Then sunk with all hands The Aussies wanted to put the captain on trial for war crimes and believed he machined gunned survivors And after the war demanded the Japanese to show records of I boat activity in the area Before they found the wrecks The Aussie mentality was nothing more than arrogance, belly aches and cries of fouls and war crimes Until the ships was founded , shot groups on the Sydney was studied And damage to guns and bridge and fire control systems and damage to turrets from 5.9 inch rounds So after the Aussie mentality finally had to accept the fact , they got surprised for being lazy and paused for it How do I know ? I read everything possible in internet , written accounts and every book possible Cherrio mate

@jeffblacky

8 ай бұрын

And before anyone calls me a turd and their Austrian pride hurt I wrote 2 papers for college on German raider warfare in both World wars - I read all three books from the Capt , first officer ( gunnery ) and a surviving communications officer - including 16 transcripts from survivors at interrogations, also I mapped every video and photos of both ships - the captain was cleared of all charges of any wrongdoing, but his story was not accepted as true fact until recently

@alexwilliamson1486

8 ай бұрын

Outgunned and outsmarted…the Aussies didn’t want to believe it for many years…great vid.

@takashitamagawa5881

8 ай бұрын

I hope that examination of the wreck puts the final nail in the coffin of the idea that a Japanese submarine was involved in the sinking of HMAS SYDNEY.

@kennethhanks6712

8 ай бұрын

@jeffblacky While this may well involve a case of injured "Aussie Pride" maybe we shouldn't paint with too broad a brush as every nationality can be guilty some amount of hubris on occasion. If anyone doubts what valor the Australian Navy was capable of perhaps a study of HMAS Yarra, Perth, or Canberra and their captains and crews are in order.

@Macharius117

8 ай бұрын

Ehh, you are aware that all that rubbish about war crimes and Japanese submarines was just a conspiracy theory that most Australians found just as ridiculous as everyone else right? Also I think you''ll find that a lack of information resulting in people inventing their own crazy theories, is far from unique to Australia. Quite the opposite really.

Everyone o. Board the Sydney died but 3/4 of the German ship servived the only thing. Of the Sydney that was found was a life boat with a corpse in it and a heap of life vests full of holes

Probably lost to an illegally fired submerged tube electric torpedo before the German flag was hoisted. This evidenced by the closed gun sights in A turret. A and B turrets were knocked out by the torpedo hit while still being directed by the fire control director. This is impossible according to German testimony. The Kormoran cooks were probably correct, The torpedo was likely fired before the colours were shown and before the director was disabled.

No lost to stupidity by her captain that has a telegram telling him not to approach any unknown ships which he did anyway killing all the men on her

I know if it was a illegal engagement, it would be pragmatic to ensure that any surviving witnesses be un-survived.

@davidjames581

Ай бұрын

Nothing illegal, both sides acted well within the rules of war. Flying a false flag has been used by many nations.

She sank because she had a stupid captain who got over 600 sailors k.i.a

@BHuang92

8 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say stupid, just a poor decision.

@stephenbachman132

8 ай бұрын

@@BHuang92 they chased them for half a day an didn't consider anything amis while taking no precautions, an following no Naval doctrine at the time. That shows a lack of discipline, critically poor decision making an a lack of common sense. An when it leads to over 600 deaths. Yes that is the definition of stupidity.

@sugarnads

8 ай бұрын

Hard to imagine this happening with Cillons in command

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

for a German, he voluntarily killed 600+ enemies... so its okay

@stephenbachman132

7 ай бұрын

@@Arltratlo you see Germans this is why no one likes you. That an you have no sense of humour. Your idea of a joke. "Little boy plays with his thumbs too much, so his mother cut them off, now he has no thumbs.

It's just crazy and horrific to think a ship during world War II that didn't outright explode had no survivors And it's not like HMAS took several torpedoes and just capsized No the sailors aboard this ship fought to the last gun literally gun literally but tragically they all died nobody survived to tell the story of the hard final battle that they fought against kormoran Again sadly all of these sailors perished whether it was do to weapons fire or the sea itself. This to the Australian people must have been every bit as devastating as Pearl harbor was to we Americans or the sinking of HMS Royal oak was to the British Thankfully the rediscovery of this ship tells the tale of what happened to the Sydney you have the fire damage the bowel that was ripped away weakened by the catastrophic torpedo hit and last but not least all of the shell holes being mute evidence of what happened during the gallant last stand of the ship

@Arltratlo

7 ай бұрын

its did no favor to the Aussie navy, that now everyone knows their own cpt killed his ship and crew... they would like still to lie about the Japanese sub, because the Aussie navy is in the history books for being the only navy in human history to lose a warship to a merchant ship with just 6 guns, from which only 3 fired shots! everyone on the planet knows the British arrogance, and the Aussies are also Brits..!

That 80% of Kormoran's crew survived while all of Sydney's crew perished will always be suspicious to me.

@kennethhanks6712

8 ай бұрын

You may remain suspicious but the discovery of the wrecks, their location, and the damage shown on each ship almost completely confirmed the reports of the action by the German survivors. Also important is that the previous actions of the raider, her captain, and crew demonstrated nothing but completely correct and honorable procedures on their part. The lack of Sydney survivors the unfortunate result of her suddenly succumbing to her wounds, some distance away and alone, apparently no real remaining boats or rafts left after the battle damage, and delay of search and rescue becoming aware it is not too surprising.

@lunaticfringe8066

8 ай бұрын

You may want to consider the controversy of the dead Sydney sailor in the bullet riddled raft before exonerating the Nazis. @@kennethhanks6712

The survivors were muedered

Why sad if it is HMAS? If it's her majesty's ship, let her majesty get sad... who was a German really.

It's still a coverup

@dovetonsturdee7033

7 ай бұрын

Why? What does anyone have to gain?