“Batman is an anti hero” is the worst one

@benjiago6800

Ай бұрын

this ones funny cuz the only way people can say this is if they refuse to accept him as a JL Founder. like guys superman & wonder woman would not allow an anti hero as a founding member.

@helleyes8441

Ай бұрын

Anti-heroes are heroes that aren’t really heroic. Batman may be flawed but he always does the right thing in the end. He is NOT an anti-hero.

@Batx0123LOLXD

Ай бұрын

Batman may seem kind of anti heroish if you dig deep enough into his psyche but underneath it all at his core he is a noble hero

@turtleanton6539

Ай бұрын

​@@benjiago6800indeed

@ibrahimihsan2090

Ай бұрын

He's a byronic hero. A rather tragic and stoic kind of hero. Emphasis on "hero". Despite his trauma and inner turmoil and rather cold and sometimes brutish demeanour, he is a man who tries as much as he can to do the right thing.

Batman is brusk, but not heartless, aggressive but not unetheical, Quiet yet compassionate. Superman's arch-nemesis is Lex Luthor, a greedy billionaire who chooses to let the world burn, but Superman's brother is Batman who is a selfless billionaire who chooses to give checks to orphanages so they won't suffer the same fate as he has.

@altalia07

Ай бұрын

Awww

@Vilgax00

Ай бұрын

Superman has a thing for billioners,is not he?

@rowandunning6877

Ай бұрын

I mean “selfless criminal” seems like an oxymoron but this is comic book character so he can be whatever he wants to be

@kitothekito915

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@rowandunning6877where did he say criminal? Also, a “selfless criminal” is not an oxymoron because these two words don’t have opposite/contradictory meanings. There are people who commit crimes to help others.

@SecretMagician

26 күн бұрын

​@@kitothekito915Exhibit A: every superhero in existence. They're all technically breaking the law by being vigilantes.

I know it's often used as a joke, but I hate the false equivalency people make when they point out that "Batman doesn't kill, but he does [BLANK]" Cripple, brutalize, torture, mentally scar, my favourite example was one time I heard someone unironically say he "breaks bones," like yeah a few weeks in a cast is definitely as bad as being fucking dead. Like it's such a desperate and non-sensical gotcha. Like, yes, he does inflict serious and often long-lasting physical and psychological damage to criminals, that's not the same as killing, that doesn't make him a hypocrite. Just because Batman vows to operate non-lethally doesn't mean he's gonna prop up some pillows for the goons who are TRYING TO KILL HIM.

@UniverseChronology

Ай бұрын

He doesn't even really do that half the time. I feel like everyone just saw Arkham combat and assumed that's just how Batman fights on a regular basis in the comics which it really isn't. There's been a few times but very rarely. Yes, he's certainly strong enough to cripple a dude, this a guy that can fight Bane, but he also has more than enough control to pull his punches.

@esquel_astronaut

Ай бұрын

​@@UniverseChronology even Arkham Batman is justify, i mean, you see How many villains he have to take down in the same night

@wesleygibson8039

Ай бұрын

Torture advocacy is not something that surprises me from DC fans

@daraghokane4236

Ай бұрын

That was a line in the dark night someone said Batman you broke his arm. Bataman responds he is young it will heal. Hes right its not as bad it injure someone as it is to kill them

@calebmurphy9406

Ай бұрын

​@@daraghokane4236 "He's young, he'll walk again"

You know, something tells me the writers of Titans don't really like DC but I just can't put my finger on it...

@Superlad9494

Ай бұрын

The haphazard Wolfman/Perez/Jurgens/Johns fusion adaptations says it all. If anything we need to really get proper Titan adaptations starting from the Bob Haney base 5 and going from there...just adapt the stories in a Post-Crisis manner and then bring it up to the Johns' run naturally (though they can skip the Helfner run...that's the comic equivalent of TTG)

@Vilgax00

Ай бұрын

I wonder why...

@TheMamaluigi300

Ай бұрын

“Fuck Batman.”

@CloneCommanderQutibahAlFarouqi

Ай бұрын

Them are Fans of Garth Ennis comics

“If you cant picture this version of Batman comforting a scared child, that’s not Batman, that’s the Punisher in a funny hat”

@arlwithac9285

Ай бұрын

Even this take is garbage, because while Frank's crusade on war is based on vengeance and his hatred of criminals, it is primarily because he hates the innocent being harmed. He literally feels and empathizes the most with women and children because that's what crime took from him. There are several comics where Frank comforts multiple children as well as women.

@Hyp333R

29 күн бұрын

@@arlwithac9285 yeah, also there are a lot of comics where he just murders children or just puts them in trauma

@agarnes100

29 күн бұрын

​@@arlwithac9285 Frank attempts to shoot a teenager because he missed a trashcan when throwing a soda away, in one of his very first appearances.

@arlwithac9285

29 күн бұрын

@@agarnes100 Well that's not a very good example. That's like me using issues of Batman killing people in his first appearances. Ignoring the fact that he has gone through many different character changes just like Frank.

@zoeyfriend224

27 күн бұрын

Yes, but actually no

honestly I have no idea why so many filmmakers and writers despise the fact that bruce at his core is a dad. finding out he has a found family is what made me pick up the comics in the first place, so like it's high time we got an adaptation for him and his family fr

@extonjonas6820

Ай бұрын

I think that the last few Directors have wanted a grounded Batman. There is nothing grounded about a Robin. He makes a lot of good points about Batman and his relationship to robin but as soon as you apply even a bit of real world logic, it is nothing but irresponsible to fight crime with a child by your side. Damien is maybe the only one you can excuse because he is an assassin so is already in that world and if not a robin would probably be a monster but the rest, it just would not really make any sense.

@officialpoppyperson

Ай бұрын

​@extonjonas6820 If we can make a man jumping around rooftops and beating up clowns grounded, we can make a kid dressed in a carnival tent grounded. It's not hard. Like, the comics have done it for years. One of the best ways it was done was in The Dark Knight Returns, where Carrie was inspired by Batman and went out to do what he does. When, by happenstance, she finds batman getting his snot kicked in, she helps him and nurses his wounds. Or Tim Drake, who wouldn't stop putting himself in danger to help people, so Batman decided to rigorously train him so he wouldn't get himself killed. A combination of these would be a perfect onscreen Robin imo. This wouldn't be hard to adapt. Like, at all.

@extonjonas6820

Ай бұрын

@officialpoppyperson I guess we have different levels of what is grounded. A serial killer being a clown is not far-fetched. However, even slightly reasonable adult putting a child in that kind of danger is just bad. You stop seeming like an eccentric do gooder and start to seem delusional. Imagine if in the real world someone started acting like a Batman. Some people might get on board. But the moment it was discovered he was doing it with a child, pretty much everyone would write him off as a lunatic. I am not saying it would be hard to do, but in something likr the Nolanverse? yeah, that would be hard to buy into, in my opinion

@officialpoppyperson

Ай бұрын

@@extonjonas6820 yeah, that's fair. We just have differing beliefs.

@wywrd_mtnt

Ай бұрын

@@extonjonas6820 while I agree that it's a bit hard to ground a robin, it's also very funny that out of all the batman adaptations, the one I actually could see adopting a kid is matt reeves', who made a very grounded batman so idk. at least he and pattinson don't actually hate robin unlike nolan and bale, so they're okay in my books even with the grounded batman approach

I hate the "batman made his criminals" or "batman not killing criminals is wrong" opinion because for the no kill rule, he is working with police and it's not his job to play Judge and jury with criminals. And for making his criminals, without batman, those criminals would be worse for gotham

@zoeyfriend224

27 күн бұрын

Can't he just kill Joker if he pulls a gun on him? Like, don't cops have the right to defend themselves?

@corleonenightwing7410

27 күн бұрын

Zoey, cops and batman don't even have an authority to kill him, especially batman. If the cops do kill them, they won't get in full trouble but it's their job to uphold the law

@peristera-bettyiliadou3271

17 күн бұрын

Most w spider fan

Even though Batman is one of the most popular superheroes ever, he’s definitely one of the most misunderstood.

@billyboleson2830

Ай бұрын

People don't like to actually read lol

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

@@billyboleson2830or watch or play

@user-xv6vt1qx4p

Ай бұрын

​@billyboleson2830 not everyone's a smelly comic book nerd lol

@FanGirl9463

Ай бұрын

@@user-xv6vt1qx4pbruh even though reading is really good for the brain, improving memory, vocabulary and comprehension of words and languages. Ik your joking but come on man

@xguy2950

23 күн бұрын

@@user-xv6vt1qx4pso you don’t read at all like not comic book but like regular books?🧍🏻

The prep time argument. That is the worst one for me.

@mateushenriquepinheiro3197

Ай бұрын

Agreed, it's the "can he beat Goku?" Of DC

@kendi5391

Ай бұрын

Yeah I hate it.

@thatHARVguy

Ай бұрын

Add in the "my Batman kills" and those people are telling us they worship serial killers. 🤦‍♂

@vindozadm7772

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@VVguy1

Ай бұрын

Raw and not holding back Batman underrtated.

The one thing i'm so tired of, and you nailed it in the video is we've only been getting one type of Batman, the solo hero in a grounded universe, without other heroes, or a family to help him, and with villains that are scaled down for the world. The one that's a outlier is DCEU Batman, and that's a damn shame of a option. DCU Batman is are only hope. Also, the Batman is a fascist and beats up the poor and insane people, and doesn't help Gotham. That one got brought up again due to The Boys with Tek Knight with Erik Kripke's interview putting that in the spotlight... again.

@IccyTheOne

16 күн бұрын

"He beats up poor people" lmao. They act like Bats is dealing with the average mugger trying to feed his family. In reality, 9/10 times he's dealing with homicidal maniacs who get paid VERY WELL and have insane arsenals of weapons that are supplied by even BIGGER and often superpowered homicidal maniacs!😂😂

LMAOOO you saw the 37 joker bombs tweet . Like that comic making fun of batman saying he is a psycho who doesn't even pay alfred enough money to live in a shitty apartment and instead is forced to be a slave to bruce was so fucking stupid.

People saying Batman should kill is ridiculous. Bruce saw his parents killed in front of him. And because of that, he avoids killing and will always find a way to defeat the enemy. If he starts killing he'll be the very thing that killed his parents, a murderer. Also, people saying Batman doesn't help gotham isn't a true batman fan. It has been shown multiple times that bruce helps gotham a lot with having care centers for the poor.

@akilbrazier1421

Ай бұрын

Not to mention the hundreds of fund raisers he puts together

@oliveragag8576

Ай бұрын

How is stopping the Joker from blowing up the city not helping Gotham?

@justinbowers2749

Ай бұрын

Right! Whenever he’s in his Bruce Wayne persona, he’s *Always working*! Attending charity events, organizing charity events, keeping Wayne Enterprises running etc. not every problem can be solved by throwing money at it

@justinbowers2749

Ай бұрын

Exactly!

@razzledazzle365-lw8qy

Ай бұрын

The majority of those fans are snyderverse fans who don't read Comics

That's why I don't want Matt Reeves Batman integrated into the DCU. He wouldn't fit with the more fantastical side of Batman. I like the idea of an Arkham Batman with the new Superman, not too young or old like Affleck version was. We'll be getting a Batman with a preistablished Batfamily, hopefully with Nighgwing, Batgirl, and Red Robin running around while Batman raises Damien. Keep Reeves separate so the mainstream audience has a grounded Batman and the comic guys can finally see a Batman stand amongst the Justice League. In all honesty when Batfleck formed the team he really didn't do much alongside them. So, let's get a Batman who befirneds Supeeman and has a black and blue suit please

@MEnterprises01

Ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@mayotango1317

21 күн бұрын

To be honest, in the sequel Matt Reeves want Clayface and other fantastic villains.

Next time I see Batman slander, I'm using this video.

I can’t stand the “Batman is a cold loner that doesn’t care about people” take almost as much as “Batman is an antihero”

@jhngrg8132

Ай бұрын

He is a loner. Just watch mask of the phantasm. Batman can never have normal relationships with people. That's the price and the burden of being batman. He is always afraid to be attached to people out of fear they will be gone just like his parents. That's very much established in the comics

@finh8895

Ай бұрын

​@@jhngrg8132 Except for the fact that he has about 6 Robins, 4 Batgirls, 3 other miscellaneous sidekicks, an entire league of Hero's, works with the GPD, etc etc

@jhngrg8132

Ай бұрын

@@finh8895 the concept of the bat family is a very problematic and lame concept that only makes sense if those d list superheroes appear at the end of batman's career. I don't like modern batman nor the batman of the silver age so... Yea not bat family for me. Robin is cool though

@LWoodGaming

Ай бұрын

​@@jhngrg8132 I agree

@finh8895

Ай бұрын

@@jhngrg8132 With respect, Batman comics don't go off what you think is lame, the fact of the matter is he has this expanded family, he has candy in his belt to give to kidnap victims or to Robins on long stakeouts, these are not the actions of an antisocial loner.

It's funny about the "Batman recruits child soldiers" is that the only time he did actively search for a sidekick was with Dick and that was after his parents were killed and he had nowhere to go. Almost every other time, Batman is pretty hesitant in accepting a new member in the Batfamily, and its usually the Robins/Batgirls themselves that pushes him to actually make them his sidekick. Like he flat out said no to Tim because he remembered what happened to Jason and even with Jason, he was kinda uncertain about him when they first met.

@yiklongtay6029

Ай бұрын

Most depictions frame it as Bruce taking Dick in as his ward and the latter learning his secret and trying to become his partner.

@guilhermeborbabrito3664

Ай бұрын

I think this argument comes from All star batman and Robin, where batman says to Robin that he was drafted into a war, which makes me think this is even older

@plasticweapon

Ай бұрын

so you're gonna use semantics to contrive an argument that he doesn't recruit child soldiers when he keeps taking on kid sidekicks?

@plasticweapon

Ай бұрын

@@guilhermeborbabrito3664 no, it comes from all the kid sidekicks.

@kingbash6466

Ай бұрын

@@plasticweapon Semantics? That's what actually happened. Did you read the comic where Batman refused to take Jason in to be his new Robin until he saw how he stopped Man-bat, or do you get your takes from randos on the internet who repeats the same rhetoric with no knowledge on the source?

These arguments are from people who know nothing about the character at all.

WAKE UP THERES MORE M ENTERPRISES

@rodneymccoy6656

Ай бұрын

W dono

@jman518192

Ай бұрын

Ah damn I’m up!!! Fire takes incoming? Let’s go!

@Th3Batman.

Ай бұрын

Ong, bro!

@MEnterprises01

Ай бұрын

🔥

I make jokes that Batman is emotionally constipated but they’ll never convince me he doesn’t care about people. He stayed with Ace when she died per her request, he made sure Harley had a change of clothes in BTAS and sympathized with her having a bad day, sacrificed his own life for his children more then once, etc.

@mayotango1317

21 күн бұрын

That is out of character. Is Superman who sould be stayed with ACE.

@IccyTheOne

16 күн бұрын

​​@@mayotango1317 Out of character my ass, Bruce had his childhood taken from him similar to Ace. In that moment, he was the only one that understood what she went through, thus earning her trust. Superman wasn't even there, and if he couldn't calm Ace's mind, her death would've killed a lot of people.

“Plot armor man” is one of the worst. when we have characters like Lois Lane and MJ who somehow put themselves in retarded situations just because they “know” everytime they’ll be saved. And those same people will glaze Spider-Man saying he could solo the flash because of “spidey sense” or “if he stopped holding back”.

@MILDMONSTER1234

Ай бұрын

People hate MJ a lot tbh

@sjjackson3525

Ай бұрын

You're comparing love interest and Batman lol

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

@@678fireplaceyou can compare the love interests to the hero’s when talking about situations were they should’ve been killed

@obamabinladen1824

Ай бұрын

@@sjjackson3525 what’s the difference. They all don’t got powers💀

@guilhermeborbabrito3664

Ай бұрын

I criticize both, i hate the "If he stop holding back" argument

Batman doesn’t kill he breaks people

@ballsackschrader218

Ай бұрын

After Damien's death, Batman was in rage and broke a human traffickers arms in a way they would be permanently damaged. And that treated as unusually ruthless and out of character for Batman in the story. So he normally doesn't hurt or break people more than he needs to.

2:35 joker was so good at gaslighting in Arkham knight that he even convinced the fan base of this 😂 (imo).

Bane is the only villain Batman created and thats only cause Bane just wants to fight him. Bane when written properly like Spiderman with Venom doesn't care about anything else he doesn't rob banks or go on killing sprees of innocent people ( he has a no kill rule regarding women and children) he just likes fighting batman thats it

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

So Batman didn’t create him then 🤦‍♀️

@MILDMONSTER1234

Ай бұрын

@@user-to4zl8wf2n He did indirectly by being way too good at being batman lol

Not gonna lie, You calling batman your "top white boy of the century" got me to subscribe, keep up the good work sir, godspeed!

This "deconstruction of Batman" approach is becoming frustratingly nonsense. It's baffling folks blame Batman for the reason that his villains exist. - Ras Al Ghul is a nigh-immortal 500+ years eco terrorist. - Mr. Freeze is motivated due to the love of his wife, desperation and Ferris Boyle assaulting him. - Riddler is a egocentric jerkwad who seeks attention because daddy never respected his intellect and abused him. - Two-Face had psychological baggage then got scarred when he went after the mob during a trial. - Penguin is just some greedy tubby dude in a top hat whose family either fell from wealth due to financial negligence or just grew up poor. - Joker had a crap life partially because of the city and due to his own idiocy. He was a chemist who quit his job to become a comedian, something he had no talent for and had no demand for because he had no audience because again he had no talent. So instead of keeping his chemist job he just up and quit and failed at the thing he was bad at then decided to get into bed with the mob to help make ends meet. Dude was a loss cause long before Batman. - Clayface is an actor who killed people because they were remaking his movies. - Catwoman is the result of a mobsters infidelity and the city's lack of empathy for the downtrodden. - Ventriloquist was the son of mobsters whose parents were killed in front of him when he was a boy and he couldn't cope with the trauma and developed DID in the form of him communicating his violent tendencies through a puppet. Get out of here with that "Batman is the direct correlation for the creation of these criminals". The argument of "he assaults the mentally ill" is such a farce of an argument. What is Batman supposed to do? These villains are often committing either mass murders, serial killings or terrorist level threats on the city that the cops are either to corrupt or to ill equip to do. He can finance the cops but if they're corrupt what's he gonna do finance the cops he knows that are corrupt ? At least Batman makes an effort to take down his rogues non-fatally. Then folks get mad that he does that. It's not Batman's responsibility to kill people. He's not a police officer who may take lethal force as an option. Batman, like most superheroes, is a firefighter. He put out a disaster as it occurs. Yeah its weird he fights crime with kids if you think of it from a real world logic. It's reckless endangerment, its child soldiers, etc. But if you are already in the head space then you might as well think its weird he has the whole Batman gimmick at all. Wouldn't it be more practical if he dropped the schtick, went out in armor and a sniper rifle and just pick off criminals and call it a day? Which is more or less the Punisher and even he doesn't get the job done because despite being at it for 50 years crime still isn't magically clean in New York. You can apply some degree of realism to your funny books but at the end you also need to embrace they are funny books otherwise they are not fun books to read.

@kitothekito915

Ай бұрын

It’s not weird that he recruits kids as Robins because his intent is to make them crimefrighters but not ones that turn out like him. Every Robin joined voluntarily anyway.

@oliveragag8576

28 күн бұрын

The only one you can argue for is the Joker. Since it's shown many times in the comics that he'd just shut down if Batman wasn't around anymore. But even then that's 1 criminal.

@ToonGrin

26 күн бұрын

@@kitothekito915 it's weird from a realistic perspective that he has children doing this. However in terms of being in comic books is perfectly acceptable because the idea is that this is basically their therapy. Most of them improve some of them there's unfortunate relapse from writer to writer: characters like Jason Todd and Damian Wayne keep relapsing into being jerks. But otherwise there's good stuff going on with characters like Cassandra Cain.

@ToonGrin

26 күн бұрын

@@oliveragag8576 but that's because more of the metaverse influencing the writing. Because writers like to treat joker as if he's some kind of end-all-be-all force of nature to Batman. When in reality he's another costume flunky just like any of the rest of them. Writing that tries to make him inherently more special because of the influence of pop culture. You can write a very compelling story with any number of characters. But because he has such a pop cultural resonance he tends to get more preferential treatment.

@oliveragag8576

25 күн бұрын

@@ToonGrin No, it's more about Joker being obsessed with Batman so if Batman ever went away Joker would lose the object of his obsession and just shut down.

The Joker is 6'5" & 191lbs in canon yet rarely is it drawn tht way & it pisses me off. Joker's speed, length, unpredictability, & inhuman pain tolerance are the reasons why Joker is a formidable threat at H2H CQC vs most. Plus, hving Batsy as ur usual sparring partner tends to help one's fighting skills. Iron sharpens Iron

@MILDMONSTER1234

Ай бұрын

Its funny how people take issue with a physically competent joker when really he was always good at fighting ever since the beginning even in the animated series

@benparrish672

Ай бұрын

​@MILDMONSTER1234 thank you for getting it. Tall & skinny crazy dudes are dangerous af. Even my b!tch@$$ at 6'3" & 175lbs had lots of fun scrapping back in the day when men could fight & win or lose, no one had to get guns or blades. I've earned a lot of respect over the years by getting beat up. Lol Joker @ 6'5" & crazy as anyone ever, someone who enjoys pain as much as inflicting it on others. The most important thing that fans forget is that The Joker is so fast that Batman has complemented Joker's speed (running speed & fighting speed) & reaction time since 1940 in countless issues. Killing Joke is just spin by The Joker himself, cuz J was always a criminal genius, genius chemist, & so funny & suave that the ladies love him; and an Ace Chemicals bath 🛁 didn't & couldn't have done that to any human

@jabluffer9107

Ай бұрын

​Joker has just as many gadgets as batman, even his own equivalent of the batmobile, and I hate when he just uses a knife or immediately gets destroyed when he has way more effective weaponry.

@CalvinNoire

29 күн бұрын

Yeah. I love the 'iterations' of the Joker where he could throw hands. Definitely an underrated part of his character.

@SecretMagician

26 күн бұрын

​@@CalvinNoirelike the Joker in The Batman. He, and basically every bad guy there, could fight Batman hand to hand.

Some takes have gotten so mind numbing I’ve had people argue to me that Batman is a Human trafficker and participates in Child labor, purely because he has Robins. Some people just need to do better.

Even The Joker he debatably didn’t create. With the character’s origin always being in flux. Even if you believe that Joker was the Red Hood, how and why he was under that helmet is never confirmed. Maybe he was just a poor broke husband on hard times like Hush Returns and Killing Joke give. Maybe he’s a maniacal criminal like in the Golden Age and New 52. Maybe he wasn’t even the Red Hood. To say Batman is the reason for people like Joker, Two-Face, Bane, etc, is complete bs

I agree. If Batman was real, he would probably be crazy. But in the world of DC, he is necessary. What people don't realize is that Gotham isn't just corrupt. Gotham is literally cursed because of a ritual with a demon in the 1600s. If I remember correctly, a cult tried to summon a demon, but Gordon's great great grandfather stopped the cult before they could finish the ritual. The demon got angry and cursed the earth Gotham was built on. I think the name of this comic was Gotham cursed earth, or cursed soil, or something like that.

Here’s the trick: most people don’t read comic. But they sure like to pretend they do.

One of my favorite compassionate Batman moments is during the Long Halloween part 1 movie, when he brought Solomon Grundy a plate Thanksgiving dinner. He didnt HAVE to do that at all, but he did. Just to do something nice for his enemy. THAT is Batman.

For me, one of the worst takes not only of Batman but of DC in general is "Oh, Nightwing is like Batman and Superman", no, Nightwing is Nightwing, stop trying to relate his morality and identity to other characters, Nightwing is someone independent of Batman and Superman, you don't need either of them to define Nightwing, he doesn't act like Batman, he doesn't think like Batman, he's not Batman, he doesn't think like Superman, he doesn't act like Superman, he's not Superman, he's Nightwing, he thinks like Nightwing and acts like Nightwing. It makes me angry because Nightwing's entire arc is about Grayson searching for his own identity, his own personality, but nooo, DC fans always want to compare him to Superman and Batman and say that he is a "fusion of the best of both", which ...no, Nightwing is not and will never be like both, because that is precisely why Nightwing became. Idk, I just don’t like that, I would like more people to try to see Nightwing as Nightwing, not as someone else.

@user-gj9uq3kb7y

Ай бұрын

I like the idea That he embodies Both of his Fathers Besides he took his name From Kryptonian mythology

@billyboleson2830

Ай бұрын

That’s the dick Grayson equivalent of the “Bruce Wayne is the mask” shit we hear all the time

I am so sick of the grounded Batman, IT'S OVERDONE! GIVE ME MY ANIMATED SERIES BATMAN IN LIVE ACTION! People complained when the Robert Pattinson Batman wouldn't be in the DCU, but I think it's for the better, I cannot see Superman and Wonder Woman in a world with a grounded and realistic Batman. Keep him dark and bad ass but please for the love of God, if these people just watched the Animated Series, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, The Batman (2004-2008), or played the Arkham Series, they would see that a dark and bad ass Batman can work in a fantasy setting! My big hope is that James Gunn doesn't make Batman a big joke and just makes a Modern Day Adam West Batman because that would not only be stupid, but it would essentially be saying that Batman cannot be taken seriously unless you make grounded, realistic, and an angry sour Puss. You can have a bad ass and dark Batman that's also kind, hopeful, and even funny at times. The perfect Batman to look at is The Animated Series Batman, that is the Batman James Gunn and Andy Muschietti need to bring to the big screen; and maybe then it would kill these dumbass takes on Batman.

I like how you brought up Batman the animated series episode called “Trial” proved that Batman did not creat any of his villains. Basically the gist is that there is this lawyer who wants Gotham to be ride of Batman. The villains kidnapped Batman and took over Arkham Asylum and forced the lawyer to represent Batman in defence. She than asks multiple villains on the stand to tell their story and prove each telling that they were in the wrong. She than sees that Batman did not creat his and that they created Batman. Even the villains admit it and try to kill them anyways. She then sees that they were all sick people that would have existed regardless if Batman was there or not and have succeeded in there plans if it weren’t for Batman. She than thanks Batman for everything that he has done but for one day to ride the city of crime and for one day to be no reason for a hero so he can be happy and Batman shacks her hand and simples to that. I could even make a Laundry list of every villain and prove Batman wasn’t responsible for any of they’re creation. Edit: yo M Enterprise I think you have a video idea 😂

One of the worst opinions I have ever heard about Batman is that he isn't that smart as a scientist, physician, inventor/innovator, and tactician/strategist. Batman is a scientist if anyone says different THEY'RE LYING as they've only paid attention to the Nolan Trilogy or the mediocre like the Telltale games and Earth One comic. Batman is Doctor Doom without magic. A man is a virtual Encyclopedia of Knowledge in about everything. He created a vaccine to an alien virus when no one else could. Created a virus that can liquefy the nearly invulnerable Plastic Man. Recreated the Lazarus Pit in the Batcave. Created the Son Box which is more advanced than both mother and father boxes and it can read a person's heart to know their intentions. Created the Insider Suit with all the founding JL member's abilities. Cured Poison Ivy Created a cloning machine and perfected memory transferring. Designed the schematics for a time machine and had Flash build it at superspeed. Designed and created Brother Eye AI with Mr Terrific. Performed neurological surgery on Two-Face Showcasing his medical physician/surgeon prowess. Created a universal translator Build the supercomputer known as the Batcomputor Took one look at a bullet and correctly determined that it was fired back in time. In the DCAU he designed and built the JL Watchower Designed and built a teleporter in the Batcave Designed and built the Justice Buster mech There is more as this only SCRATCHES THE SURFACE with all of Batman’s scientific feats let alone his intellectual prowess. Batman’s real life counterpart would be William James Sidis. Sidis Iq was between 250-300. Now imagine if Sidis learned from the best scientist, engineers, Occultist, acrobats, pilots, physicians/surgeons, mathematicians, shinobi spy/assassins, detectives, samurai, Shaolin warrior monks, weight trainers, nutritionist and SOF operators that would be Batman.

@DragonTrainer201

Ай бұрын

Yeah, about that “without magic” part, he has that now too. He’s not throwing around spells or anything, but he did learn enough to protect himself from magic users.

@petermj1098

Ай бұрын

I am fine with Batman being a genius detective, master martial artist, expert intimidator, and professional actor. But Batman being smart at EVERYTHING is bad writing.

@dc7981

Ай бұрын

Yeah but frankly I hate it when writers try to make Bruce wayne into tony stark so

@CursedShinobiClown

Ай бұрын

"Now imagine if Sidis learned from the best scientist, engineers, Occultist, acrobats, pilots, physicians/surgeons, mathematicians, shinobi spy/assassins, detectives, samurai, Shaolin warrior monks, weight trainers, nutritionist and SOF operators that would be Batman." This is why i laugh at the idea of anyone calling batman "relatable" 💀

@mandalorianhunter1

Ай бұрын

​@@petermj1098agreed, people tell me that Iron Man in EMH shouldn't be too smart or MCU Tony is a Gary Stu, but look at what Batman is allowed to get away with. He is my top 5 hero but he is given too much and is glazed to insanity.

Im suprised you didnt talk about how one of the writers of the boys tried to say batman was a fascist cause that was a discussion being debunked and memed on rather quickly

@karabo171

Ай бұрын

Really? When did he say it because...wow

@thegreatscribbles960

Ай бұрын

1 reason why I just never got into the boys it's 1 thing making a series a about deconstructing the idea of superheroes it's another trying to ruin something alot of people like because your a manchild

@captaindiabetes4004

Ай бұрын

@@karabo171 he said that in a recent interview with screenrant it one of the reasons they made techknight that way he is in the show

One thing I geniunely don't get is why NOBODY ELSE kills the Joker. I get why Batman doesn't, but you're telling me no civilian in Gotham who has been traumatized by the clown wouldn't grab a gun and just shoot him? The Joker is just a guy! He's not bulletproof!

@thegreatscribbles960

Ай бұрын

Jason proved 1 of them was in fact not bullet proof

@Tyler_18_

Ай бұрын

The only reason Joker still exist and keep breaking out is because the DC need to make money. There are tons of ways Batman can stop Joker’s rampage without outright killing him.

@ballsackschrader218

Ай бұрын

Joker is one of the smartest villains who can outwit Batman. He has a large gang and a huge influence on gotham's crime world. He is very rich. If anyone steps up to him, he easily find out where their family lives and send guys over there. He also has a lot of police and government officials on his payroll. Klling the joker isn't as easy as you make it seem.

@yougottrolled5799

11 күн бұрын

It is important to understand Joker's intelligence, which is often overlooked and underestimated. Despite his chaotic behavior, the Joker possesses a sharp mind that enables him to outsmart even the most brilliant individuals. He excels in scheming, devising intricate plans, and exploiting the weaknesses of others. The Joker is a master strategist who carefully plans his actions to achieve his desired outcomes. He thoroughly analyzes the strengths, weaknesses, and psychological vulnerabilities of his opponents, allowing him to exploit their flaws for his own advantage. Additionally, he possesses a deep understanding of human psychology, which he skillfully uses to manipulate individuals by capitalizing on their fears, insecurities, and desires. The Joker's unpredictability, stemming from his unique psychosis, makes him a highly dangerous villain in the DC universe, often staying one step ahead of Batman and others. His intelligence is evident by the fact that he is one of the few villains who can keep up with and comprehend the plans of Lex Luthor, who is considered one of the smartest individuals on the planet. This shows Joker's potential to become an even greater threat if he were to focus on evolving beyond his obsession with Batman.

Two questions should be given to those with the whole "Bruce should use his money to help Gotham instead of being Batman." If he did, 1. Do you think he has enough money for such a sprawling city like Gotham? and 2. How much of that money would go into the corrupt systems and line the pockets of people ruining the city in the first place?

There's KZreadrs like ClassicManD that constantly rags on Batman lol. Not the biggest fan of his Batman takes. I argue that he kick-started the trend of Batman hate (I say this was all due respect bcause I still do like his content).

Batman isn’t just some cold vigilante. He’s a symbol of hope trying to help those in need. That’s who Batman is to me.

@plasticweapon

28 күн бұрын

why do people talk about batman like he's superman?

My favorite Batman moment is in Young Justice where he sees Robin feels neglected because of how much he mentors Aqualad as leader of the team, so he grabs Robin to play basketball and calls it training. Batman doesn't see his kids as soldiers. He sees them as kids. And that makes him a better character in my eyes.

Seeing the director of The Boys TV show calling Batman a fascist who hunts down poor people (and Superman a white supremacist) made me know the show ain't all that even though I still like it to some degree. He was the worst thing about the show.

So Gotham kinda got this right. The villians are the cause for Batman being born instead of Batman being the cause for the villians.

I dont like the "Robins are child soldiars" argument. But it does have some legs to it when Jasons Memorial case (and Bruces fav whipping post) as a plaque enscribed "a good soldiar" rather than a "good son". Which is another whole jar for the 'wasted narrative potential' that is Jason Todd, but i digress. In saying that, Doug Moench and his "beats joker to a pulp while high on fear gas and yelling jasons name" batman is always my fav for batman being a dad content!

I don't like that people think he's just always dark and brooding, and just completely ignore that nicer side to him. The side that tries his best to be a good father figure to his adopted children and children he's saving. The campy side that goes on fun adventures. Not everything has to be so dark and gritty all the time. And on that note, not everything has to be grounded and realistic

The prep time/Bat-God is by the worst yet also justified at the same time. He can more or less just exist on his own outside of DC and yet in a world full of metahumans he has to be portrayed as more then a man to even justify his existence on the Justice League yet in some cases some of his modern feats just are completely overdone like surviving atmospheric re-entry in just his normal suit and surviving the impact of his body smashing against the ground from said re-entry (He began inside the Watchtower which exploded with him inside of it; Watchtower is in outer space FYI), or the single most absurd feat is taking Green Lantern's ring off of his finger while he was using said ring to keep Batman away from him with a literal force field with Batman firmly outside the force field that was holding back the likes of Superman and was unaware Batman actually took the ring off of his finger while he was actively using the ring (again, Batman literally outside the force field.) Having contingency plans for literally everything possibly imaginable which has more or less become a plot device at this point or in some cases a tool for writers to get themselves out of a corner they wrote themselves into. This also by proxy makes him ever actually losing on the streets of Gotham completely dumb as if he can beat literal gods that can create and destroy universes then why is street criminals giving him a hard time and outsmarting him at times? Or like when he just randomly pulls out a Justice Buster armor out of thin air with absolutely no build up?

@harlannguyen4048

Ай бұрын

It took him years to build the Justice Buster suit. And even then, it was no match against a Superman that wasn't holding back.

@BrandontheAwesome

Ай бұрын

​@@harlannguyen4048It's still stupid.

@billyboleson2830

Ай бұрын

@@harlannguyen4048 his iron man suits are kinda silly when you wonder why he never uses them outside of Justice league comcis

Imma be real with y’all. I think some of the choices made with Batman in the DCAU, the relationship with Barbara, the bad fallout with Nightwing, everything that leads into Batman Beyong, helped create the idea that Batman isn’t a good person deep down.

@SecretMagician

26 күн бұрын

That's genuinely one of the parts of the DCAU I hate. After EVERYTHING he's gone through from BTAS to JLU, Bruce ends up as a sad, bitter lonely old man estraged from the Batfamily and Justice League, along with the creepy implications of Bruce and Barbara knowing each other and having dated once. It's why I prefer future incarnations of Batman from The Batman (TDKR inspired with Nightwing and Oracle) and Brave and the Bold (still teaming up with the Trinity in a Batman mechsuit) because they have a more stable life and is still friendly with the Batfamily and Justice League.

@ntcnetwork9934

26 күн бұрын

@@SecretMagician yes! I completely agree!

@SecretMagician

23 күн бұрын

@ntcnetwork9934 As much as I love Batman Beyond, that is one of the few aspects as to why I see it as an Elseworld future. Another reason is Warhawk, who's later revealed to be Hawkgirl and John Stewart's Green Lantern's son. Unless John cheated on Vixen, and he was conceived, which is plausible, but I don't buy it, and Vixen herself was never written to be the generic "third character in a love triangle" and got fleshed out personality wise, so it'd be extremely awful if John actually did that instead. The real DCAU Batman future could be one we've never seen and the Beyond future was averted, probably due to the events of the Season 1 finale of Unlimited and became an elseworld instead, especially with both present and future Bruce seeing and meeting each other.

@ntcnetwork9934

23 күн бұрын

@@SecretMagician I think that too actually!

“Batman only beats up poor people” Falcone, Penguin (in some adaptations), Simon Stagg, the court of owls and countless other rich Batman Villains: are we a joke to you

"Batman hates Superman." This is one I'd love to see torn apart as well, but here's my take. One, if not best friends Bruce and Clark are on good terms at the very least, agree to disagree at _worst._ They have great chemistry as both friends _and_ a team, their personalities in or out of the tights compliment each other, and anyone who says they don't enjoy cute scenes of Alfred shooting the sh!t with Ma and Pa Kent is a _liar._ I could go on, but here's the thing. Even if Batman absolutely hated Superman's guts...dude's still the world's greatest detective, who is both smart enough _and self-aware_ enough to keep his grievances _to himself_ and do everything in his power to make sure he and Superman are on the same page _as well_ as the same side. Because Batman realizes he as well as his cause have more to gain with Superman as an _ally._ Because the last thing _any iteration_ of Batman wants is Superman as an _enemy._

My own hot take on Batman is about who his succesors should be. Personally i think Cassandra Cain is the best succesor to the mantle. Though I think Damian should also be Batman. I think if Bruce dies in action, it should be a Dick for a bit then Damian but if he retires it should be Cassandra as Batwoman and Damian as Batman. Then eventually Terry Mcginnis succeeds Damian.

@TheSsjJoker

Ай бұрын

@@Intr0vertical agreed

@hopefulfriend4163

Ай бұрын

Always here for the Cassandra love ✊️😤

@wywrd_mtnt

Ай бұрын

I think dick would be a great batman but it would mess him up mentally so bad...cassandra is overall my favourite pick for the whole successor debacle too!

@corleonenightwing7410

Ай бұрын

I think dick is the first, then when dick dies or gets older and retires, Damien because Damien would have become like bruce

I agree with all of this. I would like to also add(and you probably covered this in your first video) that Bruce Timm’s iteration of Batman and his relationship with Barbara Gordon did not do the character any favors in regard to how he treats his sidekicks. Like for me the animated series Batman would the ideal Batman if not for that, terrible speed bump. Like normally if it’s like one thing that’s out of characterization for a superhero, I can ignore it. But that one is a big oof for me.

I think the Robin thing stems from some people not being able to suspend their disbelief with him, especially when there are comics and movies that address the absurdity of Robin. Because there’s no actual logical explanation you can provide that justifies Batman sending children out against armed men. It’s inherently an unacceptable act that needs you to suspend your disbelief and accept the idea that children being sent out against armed criminals and supervillains isn’t *that* dangerous

@aleysibbs2461

Ай бұрын

Ok what about superheroes who always bring sidekicks to danger, I don't like your opinion but you do you.

@Pierceson-up8fs

Ай бұрын

@@aleysibbs2461 it’s not my opinion. I like having Robin, but it’s a fact for why so many people are unaccepting of him. And the same goes for other sidekicks; that’s why they aren’t popular like they used to be

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

Also batman is sending himself towards armed men and women. He can get killed at any time he’s batman

@aleysibbs2461

Ай бұрын

@@Pierceson-up8fs I understand. I like TT. I guess it weird for me to ask but what is your favourite sidekick

@Pierceson-up8fs

Ай бұрын

@@aleysibbs2461 definitely Robin. Nightwing is one of my favorite DC characters, and I love all the Robins in their own way

The problem is, that the mainstream media like live action movies want to do Punisher, but Batman is the one that will get them attention for being popular. The best versions of Batman outside comics are found in the cartoons like BTAS from the 90s, The Batman and the Brave and The Bold from the 2000s. Then again, I am very biased and absolutely love the 66 Batman show for emvracing the silly.

One problem I have with Batman is that he keeps locking up the villains in Arkham Asylum’s when Arkham has constantly proved time and time again that it’s not a good prison for villains as they break out of it every week. Why doesn’t he put them in a more secure prison?

@jhngrg8132

Ай бұрын

There was a storyline in the bronze age involving an obscure but cool villain (the spook) which was a master escapist like hoodini. He was offering Arkham inmates his services for money. But the real reason inmates escape from Arkham is that you cannot have a rogues gallery if your entire roster is always locked up.

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

Arkham asylum is the most secure prison in Gotham and batman isn’t judge, jury and executioner. He just stops them and tries to fund it, it’s not his fault the city has multiple curses

@thegreatscribbles960

Ай бұрын

I think this a problem with all superheroes

@BrandontheAwesome

Ай бұрын

There's Blackgate, but that's about it. Also, Batman works with the GCPD. Blackgate and Arkham are located in Gotham. They can't send the prisoners elsewhere because the villains commit crimes in Gotham.

@guilhermeborbabrito3664

Ай бұрын

​@@user-to4zl8wf2nIf Arkham is the most secure one i can't even imagine the least

I agree with most of this to a point, but recent comics have not been consistent in portraying him as a gruff, but caring and heroic character. He's basically a raging asshole who is in dire need of therapy. He's fought the other Robins, even drugged Jason, constantly alienates his teammates, and causes huge problems because he refuses to communicate. He's always had his flaws, but it's gotten to a point where he's not really sympathetic anymore, and I wish the writers would massively dial back on their attempts to make him as miserable and intolerable as possible.

@YinYangTwinWolves

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@CloneCommanderQutibahAlFarouqi

Ай бұрын

That bad writer That obviously out of character for batman

@Lefty_D_knox

Ай бұрын

I feel you. And I blame Chip Zdarsky for that and his rehashing of Zur en arrh. He's now okay and hopefully he stays that way for a long time.

@ballsackschrader218

Ай бұрын

Never let Tom King near Batman again. The dude obviously has a hate boner for the character.

I think he'd look better with a full mask, instead of a cowl.

The biggest problem that i believe created a great many of these bad takes on batman is that we never exactly see gotham city grow out of corruption. The most well known future is batman beyond that shows just how the problems are exact same, nothing is changed. Whixh is also commented by old bruce wayne to batman in justice league unlimited episide where they go into the future of batman beyond. Gotham itself doesnt evolve as a whole because of tha batman's influence and no matter if you believe it's realistic or not, it means city remains frozen in place, stagnant. The simple reason is that it is writing outlet for such stories. Stories of corruption, violence and injustice. We all know how stagnant comics are, rarely do we get our heroes actually grow with it's audience. No. They are just rebooted 5 times into oblivion and back to square one. That's the state of the comics, yeah that way we can see our beloved characters over and over with different faces, people love to see what they know with just a sprinkle of new. But for the same reason we rarely get to see characters like Terry McGinis. I wpuld love to see a show about batman, that is set in the time period he was created, and slowly as he aged, slowly going into our present(stumbling into 70s and 90s on the way of course) new generations of heroes both those we know and new rise. But we will never get that because sales, markets and suits.

I hate when people say that Batman and Spider-Man made their villains the only villains they kinda had a hand in are Venom and Joker ( and Joker depends on what story it is) Peter did NOT electrocute Max Dillon Peter did NOT have Norman and Harry drink Goblin syrum Sandman ain't even stunning him Doc Ock got NOTHING to do with him Carnage is a serial killing cannibal Harvey Dent getting his face disfigured was not done by him Pamala blames others for her issues Mr Freeze wants to cure his wife and himself Ras and Talia BEEN trying to purge before HE WAS BORN Johnathan Crane is just twisted ETC

Two quotes I think about when people started coming out of the woodwork hating on Batman are: "People like to boo greatness". ---The Rock (Hollywood heel circa 2003). "Fine, you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain". ---Harvey Dent (The Dark Knight).

I think the only Robin you could claim was taken in by Bruce for selfish reasons would be Jason. While he did partially take in Jason because he was a struggling kid, it's also implied in some of those stories that Bruce was feeling lonely after Dick had left and wanted a replacement, and so took in Jason and sort of rushed him into the role of Robin which is something he comes to regret after Jason's death. He still loved and cared for Jason though, his death was a major sticking point for Bruce for YEARS, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Jason basically looks just like Dick in those early post-crisis Jason stories. He was a replacement for Dick in the real world and was a replacement for Dick in universe.

There's a large portion of folks who say Batman "struggles" when facing good hand-to-hand combat fighters thus he doesn't belong in top 10,15, or 20 of combat characters. Yet many facts show he is a top tier fighter. I remember Lady Shiva pointed out she saw Batman as level 12 in combat but it's clear because of his no-kill rule that he is above that or how Ra's called him one of the best fighters in his centries of living. Deathstroke even openly admitting he uses Batman holding back as an advantage of why he can win against Batman as Batman is definitely better than him. But because of Batman not winning fights in quick easy timing like those of Shiva and Richard Dragon, he is not that good...

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

Yet batman being able to fight for over 3 days with no fatigue proves that he is that good

@MILDMONSTER1234

Ай бұрын

I dont think anyone is arguing that he isnt top 10 lol. People usually only debate on him being top 1 lol

"Hey man, can you maybe-" Writes: "nah he NEEDS to crash out"

I think the reason Batman gets slander nowadays is cus he's written as annoyingly stubborn and takes drastic measures that just make him look like a villain. Writing Superman as a lost cause in injustice and being partly responsible for the superhero war getting so bad (John Kent called him out for this and Bruce just stayed silent and couldn't retort). I'm probably missing context but in a recent comic he implanted a personality inside Jason Todd that would force him to become a nervous wreck.

My favorite version of Dick’s origins is because Bruce related to Dick he adopted him but didn’t want a sidekick then dick finds the Batcave learns Bruce’s identity then Bruce turns down the sidekick idea then Bruce gets captured by two-face dick save him from the giant Penny catapult the they keep it and he trains as Robin

Bro you gotta make a video on how Speedy/Red Arrow is disrespected bruh😭😭

@Superlad9494

Ай бұрын

Eagle Eyes sure is a Sharpshooter...and he's in the very short list of "people who actually got to date Donna Troy".

"ACAB includes batman" Cop: "weve got you for assaulting an officer" Batman: "you got me for assaulting 3."

That's why it pissed me off in the recent movie where the lady candidate came to Bruce and said 'you can be doing better for the city' and I was like what? Almost ruined the movie for me. I am glad that you agree that using money isn't going to help Gotham in the slightest.

Massive batman fan here. While I love that Batman can (potentially) take down superpowered beings given enough preparation, I hate that so many people go “but prep time” in arguments for why he should be able to defeat absolutely everyone. A lot of people don’t really understand exactly what goes into his preparations in the actual continuity. He doesn’t just look at someone and immediately know every single counter to them. He needs to research, study, and make countermeasures, and that can take a long time. Hell, a lot of times his “prep time” doesn’t even constitute actually winning a fight. Take for instance him outsmarting Darkseid in that one movie I forget the name of. Sure he technically defeated him, but it wasn’t in a fight. He had to outsmart his opponent because he knew he COULDNT defeat him physically. That’s prime evidence that he CANT just defeat everyone and HE KNOWS THAT. If Batman himself knows when he cant defeat someone in a fight regardless of prep time, you’d think Batman fans would be able to wrap their heads around that too.

One of the worst misconceptions of Batman is that Catwoman is "tHe OnLy oPtiOn fOr HiM" which is not true. The animated series, the bronce age and The Arkham series are the proof of it. Thank god they didn't marry

@hopefulfriend4163

Ай бұрын

Outta curiosity, which other relationships with bruce do you enjoy then?

@dc7981

Ай бұрын

I mean in the animated series none of batmans relationships work lol, in the comics its always pushed Catwoman as the one

@Superlad9494

Ай бұрын

Remember the Silver and Bronze Age was Earth-1 Continuity. Bruce of Earth-2 was already married to Selina and had given birth to Helena Wayne by that point. Earth-1 showed that had Talia not been jelly, Bruce would have married Batwoman 1 (Katherine "Kathy" Webb Kane) because he loved her and she actually could participate in the adventures and pose as a "DID" when she really wasn't. They would have had a son named BJ (Bruce Jr)...and oddly he had red hair...I wonder how exactly when Bruce and Kathy are both raven-heads did BJ end up with red, was it dyed to avoid suspicion that Batman had more than just Grayson and Todd as Robins as an inverse of Todd? Or did Dr. Thomas and Martha secretly carry the redhair gene? If Talia wasn't jelly though that would have meant when the timelines converged in 1986 before the 1987 reimaginings...that Helena Wayne and the marriage to Catwoman would have had to been accounted for...which could have easily been resolved, just say that Catwoman was actually Martha Wayne in the golden age (afterall Julie Newmar would later wind up voicing Martha Wayne anyway so why not?) and borrow from Earth-1 Continuity that Dr. Wayne was the golden age Batman and they had three kids, TJ, Helena and Bruce. Helena operated incognito as Huntress after the murder due to the ban on heroics insinuated on Oct. 31, 1951, save for Wonder Woman and Superboy. Make all golden age appearances of Robin just be something Bruce did as a kid and have the murders briefly make him hang up the cape while TJ goes on to become the villainous Owlman, and at some point in the 1940's, Bruce made an Indigenous Friend named Flying Fox who joined the All-Star Squadron with him and they both broke off to Young All-Stars briefly...and as Robin, Bruce is honorary JSA. Then to account for the Batwoman marriage, just have it be that they were married until Talia ultimately did get jelly and end her, but she wasn't intending to end her, she was intending to end Bruce, but the gun misfired horrendously and in front of BJ causing history to repeat itself and make a new Robin between Jason and Tim. Then to account for Golden Age Robin's 70's JSA appearances, just call that "the segue between being Robin and Nightwing" for Grayson after the first Titans split from Coastals and before the New Formation...feeling more comfortable with the JSA than the league at first since a Teen Titan going to the JSA is like "going to your grandparents' house." Or at least that's what it should be.

@lordarekusanda555.

Ай бұрын

@@hopefulfriend4163 Batman's relationship with Talia was one that marked me the most, a passionate relationship full of true love and with some conflict. Silver St. Cloud had a healthy and mature relationship with Batman and she would be the best one for him. Nocturna is another of Batman's best love interests, at first it was conflict and she had a better developed mother and son relationship with Jason Todd than the one he has with Catwoman. Zatanna has dreamed of having a life with Bruce and Vice Versa. Black Canary has had romantic feelings for him, in Earth 22 their connection is better explored and how it works better than with Green Arrow or anyone else. The only good thing that came out of Batman's relationship with Catwoman is his daughter, Helena Wayne. From then on I don't see a future for their relationship, and it turns out that now they copy the qualities of other Batman couples in Catwoman to make us believe that she is the only one. which is a complete lie. those who want Catwoman close to Batman is only so that she does not lose her popularity spotlight or because they hate Batman, in short: Batman's relationship with Catwoman is full of betrayal and lust.

@lordarekusanda555.

Ай бұрын

@@hopefulfriend4163 Batman's relationship with Talia was one that marked me the most, a passionate relationship full of true love and with some conflict. Silver St. Cloud had a healthy and mature relationship with Batman and she would be the best one for him. Nocturna is another of Batman's best love interests, at first it was conflict and she had a better developed mother and son relationship with Jason Todd than the one he has with Catwoman. Zatanna has dreamed of having a life with Bruce and Vice Versa. Black Canary has had romantic feelings for him, in Earth 22 their connection is better explored and how it works better than with Green Arrow or anyone else. The only good thing that came out of Batman's relationship with Catwoman is his daughter, Helena Wayne. From then on I don't see a future for their relationship, and it turns out that now they copy the qualities of other Batman couples in Catwoman to make us believe that she is the only one. which is a complete lie. those who want Catwoman close to Batman is only so that she does not lose her popularity spotlight or because they hate Batman, in short: Batman's relationship with Catwoman is full of betrayal and lust.

“Matt Reeves’ ‘The Batman’ is a SOLID DEPICTION?” 🧢 It’s two packs of azz. “The Batman” is trash! Fight me

I always saw batman and tim's relationship as tim being a nephew since he wasnt really a son

More than a stupid opinion this is something a lot of Batman writers got wrong: Batman isn't a tech genius. During those 15 years when Bruce travelled around the world he became an expert in any possible type of martial arts, detective work and criminology... that's it. He shouldn't be portrayed as a tech genius and, beside some out of continuity examples, he wasn't portrayed this way before Grant Morrison. He had characters like Lucius Fox, Harold Allnut or even the third Toyman providing him with new gadgets and upgrades

@dc7981

Ай бұрын

AKA the "ironmanification" of batman

@BrandontheAwesome

26 күн бұрын

Really? Because back in the 40s he and Robin constructed their own equipment and vechicles.

@niccoloproia3678

26 күн бұрын

@@BrandontheAwesome This is false, in the 40's the great majority of Batman's gadgets simply "appeared". In the sense that there's no scene where Batman builds the batgyro or Robin builds his personal batplane, they simply have them and we public are introduced to these gadgets for the first time. Hell in World's Finest Comics #7 we are introduced for the first time to a Batcave at the North Pole from nothing and Batman will never use it ever again.

@BrandontheAwesome

26 күн бұрын

@@niccoloproia3678 Yeah, but one would assume they built those devices themselves.

@niccoloproia3678

26 күн бұрын

@@BrandontheAwesome But, as you said, it's just an assumption. In the origin story of Batman from the 40's it has never been mentioned that he has any engineering skills. Since one could assume Batman created his own gadgets another could assume he received them from his various contacts around the world. After all the batplane version for Robin is presented as a gift, i find it very difficult to believe Batman worked on a mini-version of the Batplane in the Batcave and Robin never noticed it. Beside all of this we have to understand that the storytelling for comics in the 40's was very different from the one of modern days: except for some citations most of those stories didn't mantain any kind of continuity, the heroes were still in a state of "formation" and the shared universe was something more in name than anything else. If people don't (and shouldn't) accept Batman killing people despite him throwing gangsters off buildings in his second story why we should accept Batman as an engineer because in the 40's were extremely vague on Batman's gadgets' origin therefore someone could assume Batman created them?

Say whatever about BATMAN ‘66, but it did give us the most emotionally stable and mature Bruce Wayne. On the show Bruce had a healthy social life. He regularly dated (Lisa Carson & Miss Kitka). He took his responsibilities as a philanthropist seriously. And most important, he provided a good home for Dick Grayson. Bruce was mentor, guardian, and father to the boy. And it showed. Hell, in the very last episode of the series When a villain assumed that Robin must be Batman's son, Batman stated that though Robin was not his son, he would be proud to call him such.

@BrandontheAwesome

25 күн бұрын

@@waynebrooks880 Kinda paved the way for Bronze Age Batman if you think about it. But yeah, Batman 1966 for the win!

You should make a video about how underrated the 2004 batman animated series is 💯

Batman is just a traumatized man trying to save others from his parents Fate

YES! Thank you for covering the child soldier one! Maybe you saw my comment maybe you didn't, but I'm glad you addressed it because it needed to be addressed.

The Gotham tv show shows how horrible the city was before batman and even before the supervillains. Obviously its an elseworld where the villains cane first

I also think the Dark Knight Trilogy is ass an adaptation of Batman. Gotham is just generic big city number 1 million, the villains were too grounded with no fantastic elements, joker didn’t really feel like joker but average schizo number 5, no comic acurate looks, the voice was cringe and the ending has Bruce leave Gotham just to hand it over to some random cop? Their good movies on their own but their barely batman in more than name

@kendi5391

Ай бұрын

I mean Joker looks somewhat accurate, wouldn't call him average schizo either. He feels like classic Riddler mixed with 2004 cartoon Joker with more modern take on wanting Batman to break his code.

@thatHARVguy

Ай бұрын

The third one was Nolan's commentary on the 99% vs 1% bs at the time. At least Harve Bennett watched every Star Trek TOS episode to figure out why it appealed to fans and how it can appeal to non-fans. The Nolans skimmed the Bat-Wiki.

@calebmurphy9406

Ай бұрын

Damn, kids today are so unappreciative of what they have

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

Allat yap for a great depiction of batman, didn’t make Gotham too bloated, the villains had a level of super natural to them and fitted in the more realistic tone

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

Joker didn’t feel like schizophrenic, he felt like the joker we don’t get to see, comic accurate designs, the voice was good and the ending is ambiguous but Bruce does retire for the right reasons and the random cop is Robin. They more than barely fit batman and are awesome movies

I've just given up hope for good live action adaptations of some Bat-fam characters. We're never going to get a Tim Drake, Helena Bertinelli, Stephanie Brown, Jean-Paul Valley, or Kate Kane that does them justice.

For me, the worst Batman opinions are the ones that these same people don’t apply to literally any other hero. For example, ‘he’s a billionaire that beats up poor people.’ First of all, not all his villains are poor, and these ‘poor’ people they are talking about are henchmen of psychopathic rich supervillains. If Batman beats up a mugger or a person attempting to rape a woman, is he just ‘beating up a poor person’? No, he’s beating up a dangerous criminal; it doesn’t matter if he’s rich or poor. People say Bruce could use his wealth to help Gotham, but he does. Even if he gave Gotham all of his money, the rich crime lords would probably steal it all, and even if he did do it successfully, that wouldn’t stop the Joker. The Joker isn’t going to be like, ‘Bruce Wayne gave all his wealth to Gotham; I guess I should stop trying to blow up the city.’ He’s going to do it anyway, and these arguments against Batman are never used for any other billionaire superhero (Green Arrow, Iron Man, Black Panther, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, etc.).

I think when people are talking about Batman beating up on poor people they're referring to the non-supervillains just the average thugs he fights like the people robbing a store or selling drugs.

@baki484

Ай бұрын

Batman tends to help them too. The ending of the new 52 had a thug become a student getting his life straight after an encounter. A thug knew his secret identity and batman helped turn his life around and that's not mentioning his son who was a criminal working for scarecrow.

I hate the quote from BVS where Batman said The World only makes sense when you force it to. I hate this quote so freaking much.

Batman is the GOAT! 👍

@TheSsjJoker

Ай бұрын

Bat GOAT

@mlgodzilla4206

Ай бұрын

Noo he’s a bat

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

@@mlgodzilla4206nope he’s man

The worst for me is ‘plot armour’ batman doesn’t have this and it’s basically because he’s human, but people forget that he’s a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and goes by the rules of his universe. Look at the raimi trilogy, aunt may at an old age had a heart attack but healed pretty quickly also holding her own weight at a high building for a while at her age. Harry literally survived a bomb TO THE FACE both as humans… Oh and Spider-Man has plot armour if batman hater logic is established, spider sense warns and sometimes dodges Spider-Man from all if not most attacks, a super power that the writers gave him 💀🤦‍♀️

@MILDMONSTER1234

Ай бұрын

Everyone has plot armor but some characters have more plot armor then others. Joker for example has far worse plot armor than Batman and arguably more plot armor then anyone else in DC lol

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234joker doesn’t have any plot armour, just like batman. Most comic characters don’t have plot armour lmao

When is the DemiGah collab coming out?

There is also the inverse of the plot armor prep time argument, which is the idea that anytime Batman beats anyone above a city buster its plot armor. Or people saying that EVERY insane feat he has is plot armor. It’s just as annoying as the people who say Batman solos fiction with prep time.

Batman only beats up poor people The court of owls

@FanGirl9463

Ай бұрын

Most of his rogues gallery are insanely wealthy and powerful, Penguin has a rich empire just like Bruce, Dent was a wealthy politician. Ra’s Al ghul has been around for 100s of years and has his own country and army.

Like I kinda get that some of the villains could get properly rehabilitated if given the chance like Freeze or maybe Croc or maybe Dent but what the hell is giving a chance to a freaky little guy who actively thrives on scaring people to death by his nasty gas gonna do 💀

Imma give out a hot take on Batman: Two-Face is better for arch nemesis than Joker.

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

Only for early years

@kendi5391

Ай бұрын

@@user-to4zl8wf2n For compromise early years Two-Face and Scarecrow for later?

@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511

Ай бұрын

El mejor es el riddler

@marykateharmon

Күн бұрын

@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 When done well, exactly

@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511

Күн бұрын

@@marykateharmon It doesn't make any more sense that the nemesis of the best detective in the world is someone who loves to leave clues.

Dat two of asking for zatanna

@Shadowkiller-dq2ju

Ай бұрын

Zatanna is waifu

@FriendlyBatDoom

Ай бұрын

Zatanna is MUCH better than Selena Kyle.

@user-xv6vt1qx4p

Ай бұрын

Nah we need a video for constantine

@zechariahanderson98

Ай бұрын

@@user-xv6vt1qx4p that would be a great video

One take that gas always annoyed me is the idea that Bruce doethelp the coty with his money. Like ignoring how Wyane Tech runs the city, Bruce also constantly spends money to help people. In some atories its even shown he cleans up after himaelf. Like was said in this video Bruce isnt the only person in Gotham with money and influence, theres only so much he can do. One thing I've always wondered is how come no crime boss ever tried to have Bruce killed. Like is there a story where Dead Shot is hired to assassinate Bruce Wayne or something like that

I have no issue with Batman as a character my only thing is the endless push that WB DC shoves him down our throats.

@user-to4zl8wf2n

Ай бұрын

Sony and Disney marvel do the same with Spider-Man, they just make money

@abdullahfahad53

Ай бұрын

@@user-to4zl8wf2nbut marvel at least has other characters they use beside spider-man. The avengers, x-men, and Etc have gotten recognition while dc still has not even given us a good justice league movie

@user-rc2ww7hh6i

Ай бұрын

@@user-to4zl8wf2n I’d agree but lately they have been pushing different characters as of late. Marvel 1943, X-men 97, Deadpool, the Wolverine game, even just bringing back marvel vs capcom Meanwhile with dc all the games are Batman focused outside of the Wonder Woman game that’s probably gonna be cancelled. Hell with those injustice games they have more emphasis on Batman and his villains then anyone else in dc lol… suicide squad isn’t worth talking about

Batman dresses as a bat to scare people straight.

If you can't imagine Batman comforting a child, that's not Batman. That's the Punisher in a funny hat"

Joker: *Commits another horrifying horrendous crime* Batman: Clark. *Get the Phantom Zone!*

The worst one is "batman likes Nachos" ,never forget batman does not eat nachos

I feel like a lot of the “Bruce uses Batman as an excuse to not use his wealth to help Gotham” and “Batman creates child soldiers” genre of takes come from a genuine place, but one that misunderstands comics. Not just Batman in the comics, but the way being a comic character affects the writing. Kinda like how some people criticize Superman for being “too good” because it’s unrealistic, without understanding that the core conceit of the comics is “what if it were realistic for someone with that much power to be that good” Applying real-world logic to the perpetual, chaotic, exaggerated, somewhat-in-stasis world of comics just doesn’t work. Child soldiers arguments don’t work as well when said child soldiers were itching to become child soldiers without adult supervision, and there’s an entire ecosystem of child superheroes spontaneously emerging to do this on their own. Billionaires could do more than Batman argument is flawed in a world where crime isn’t just like our world, but includes people willing to freeze over cities over a dead wife. He doesn’t seem to be getting anywhere because Gotham needs crime for comics to continue. He’s sometimes cruel or abusive because it’s such a long form medium that you will get a Frank Miller writing it somewhere. Bruce being a billionaire (while some of us still have our reservations about it) is part of the way comics give a nearly-plausible excuse for comic shenanigans, in this case Batman’s arsenal. The core ethos of the comics encourages rehabilitative justice and stopping crime by preventing the systems that create criminals, and so that should be considered when talking about Batman, even if the quality of the execution varies. Batman is about healing the city and it’s people in big and small ways, about making sure no other kids end up like Bruce. So even when from real-world logic Batman wouldn’t be effective, narratively it works.

All of these arguements are ones that I really hope James Gunn puts to rest with his Batman. We have Matt Reeves to show the Batman that is purely Batman, but we desperately need an adaptation that treats Bruce Wayne as equally important and with depth as Batman. Bruce is where the parental aspects shine, the charitable and philanthropic nature as well.

3:50 AND his fathers justice not vengance rule. Media often forgets that aswell...

anti hero is a character who may fight for good but doesnt mind killing. a hero is someone who dedicates themselves to justice and not only saves the innocent, but the guilty.

@siralfred2446

Ай бұрын

since some of yall dont know the difference