If you want to objectively judge an OS, It's a terrible idea to test it on experimental, niche hardware. I'm not defending Honeycomb, I'm just saying

@Pocketnow

6 жыл бұрын

Well, it's not a test, and this is not experimental hardware. It was sold to consumers. We bought it.

@ThatsPety

6 жыл бұрын

Pocketnow lmao what do you mean it's not a test? You're testing the OS, therefore it's a test. And yes it's experimental because it was a very new and unproven thing on Android. Extremely niche hardware like this is always going to have the worst software support. If you want to show how bad Honeycomb is, you should have tested it on a normal flagship tablet from the time

@nirkopp1881

6 жыл бұрын

You are right. It is not a fair test, but as one who used a honeycomb tablet I agree with them. It's a terrible OS (idk if the worst...)

@ThatsPety

6 жыл бұрын

Nir Kopp oh yeah I totally agree. Just wanted to bring that up

@fabio.brunori

6 жыл бұрын

Pety How many tables were be sold with honeycomb? And, Which one would be better to test?

Good video, poor audio.

@kaitlyn__L

4 жыл бұрын

@Brebgon micing from a distance yields this resonance and slight reverb from the room, and makes the voice sound thinner. Compare to other people even on the same channel who obviously record their voiceover with a separate microphone. They sound like people on the radio. This audio seems to be taken directly from the camera's on-board mic. There's no sign of a lapel mic, which would have improved things a lot even if the voiceover was still recorded at the same time as the on-camera footage. Granted, it's not peaking or distorted or otherwise unpleasant on your ears, but as far as listenable audio quality goes, it's firmly on the low to middling end. Plus it's pretty rare to rely solely on camera audio by tech reviewers, even when this video came out.

- No, it wasn't the worst os ever not even close. Windows ME/ Vista still remain the worst (Although windows vista wasn't that bad compared to ME) - No, it didn't cause Google to abandon their tablet efforts. Nexus7 was released just 1 year later and it became the most successful tablet google ever made!

@HarmonicVector

4 жыл бұрын

- At least Vista ran well on the Dimension E521, with AMD's x64 Athlon X2 processor, and ME wasn't completely garbage. Honeycomb was terrible on pretty much every device that it shipped with, no matter if it was Sony or Samsung. - And yet, the term "Android tablet" is never talked about despite the Nexus 7. The Nexus 7 sold about 4.6 million in it's lifespan. The iPad would already surpass it in less than one quarter.

@cohagdmc

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

In my opinion honeycomb UI was much more usable on 10" tablets than ICS because you didn't have to reach top of the screen for notifications and settings and reaching the middle of 10" screen for home, back and multitask keys. Yes it was choppy, yes it couldn't even play FHD videos correctly but it was easier to use, and only real brawback was that rarely any app was made to work well with large screens. If you look at it Windows 10 actually directly copied notifications and settings from honeycomb. I had Acer Iconia A500 and battery life was stellar, it worked well for like a year and when apps started updating to ICS versions everything started slowing down to the level of being unusable. And it's simply not true that Google abandoned tablets after it, both Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 came quite a while after Honeycomb. Tablets didn't really fail it was just that initial hype about them was way overpropotioned. Everyone wanted one but no one knew what to actually do with it other than maybe being home media device.

@jaredballoonboy7944

6 жыл бұрын

TOTALLY AGREE!

I loved Honeycomb, I didn't get it on a stupid dualscreen tablet though. It was the first and last time Google attempted to take tablets seriously by having a unique tablet UI instead of the blown up phone UI they went with after.

@jaredballoonboy7944

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Imagine if Google made something like "Honeycomb OS" but it's separate from Android and just works on tablets and has it's own store exclusively for tablet apps? I think Google should do that... But sadly, they won't.

@protocolsev

6 жыл бұрын

I had the Motorola Xoom and it was probably one of my favorite tablets.

@cohagdmc

Жыл бұрын

Same

@gamingguy9006

5 ай бұрын

Which is why I love samsung tablets

this video is, frankly, terribly put together and full of misinformation, even ignoring the ridiculous title. the first one and a half minutes bring up criticisms about the Sony Tablet P, which are completely irrelevant to Honeycomb. Honeycomb's design was actually fairly uniform, featuring that Tron-like colour scheme. you don't have to love it, but it was consistent. you talked about the app drawer being white, but that's a Sony customisation. stock Honeycomb came with a transparent black drawer. many Google apps did in fact take heavy advantage of the space, like KZread, Gmail and Market - all of which actually feature dual-pane interfaces. you talk about Google's own apps looking like blown-up phone apps, while showing a shot of a Browser that looks nothing like the phone version at the time. i can't disagree that Honeycomb was fairly lacking in terms of performance, but "multitasking was terrible"? multitasking, even if primitive compared to what we have today, was far ahead of Android 2.3 or even the iPad at the time. Google also didn't give up on tablets after Honeycomb. if anything, they doubled down - Google didn't make any of their own tablet hardware until the Nexus 7, which shipped with Jelly Bean. in fact, they made five Android tablets after Honeycomb. doesn't really sound like giving up to me. there are also minor quibbles. Project Butter wasn't introduced in 4.2, it was 4.1, for instance. i'll be the first to admit that Honeycomb wasn't the most performant Android version, and that it had its faults. i preferred and still do prefer iOS for tablet experiences. but it was the first version of Android that really paid attention to design. it really does seem like you didn't do any research for this video whatsoever.

Better audio please

Downgraded my Xoom to 3.2.1 (latest for my model officially), rooted it, updates the binaries, installed Play Store 4.8.2, used some tricks to pin the version to that, installed some apps like Opera, and bingo. Best thing ever. Way better than newer versions IMO.

You said Google stopped developing after honeycomb but they released 3 tablets (i will not count the 4th as the pixel tablet never took off )after honeycomb the original nexus 7 didn't even run it so how could they of stopped developing for tablets then release 3 tablets after the n7's where huge huge sellers what a rubbish video all your facts are wrong

@RishabhMonga17

6 жыл бұрын

was thinking the same thing. Froyo, gingerbread and honeycomb was when android actually started seeing adoption and that was when the tablet market actually started growing with samsung entering the game, prior to that it was just apply. I feel the disappearance of android tablets only happened because google didnt push app developers enough to create apps native to tablets like apple did for iPad.

@notuptome

6 жыл бұрын

Honeycomb was googles only version of the android that they were working on that was gonna be a dedicated operating system specifically for tablet form factors for tablets it was not meant for phones and it failed so therefore Google scrapped any future idea or plans of having tablet specific operating system meaning that any dedicated my out just for a tablet so therefore every version of android since then is made to run on both a tablet and phone with no specific features set only in mind no specific API's no specific anything. Of course I'm talking straight up Google android stock android now anything 3rd parties do that's completely different

For some reason now I want to see the Google io honeycomb launch to see what was new and amazing back then

“Fit inside your pocket” lol riiiight....

@LouisSubearth

6 жыл бұрын

Dapper Dop I've fit 7 inch tablets on my pocket no problem.

@ahmedp800

6 жыл бұрын

Break it in half, and fit each in separate pocket!

I don't agree. I found the UI really futuristic and full of good concepts.

What about Microsoft Kin os or blackberry 10 or any blackberry os

@stevebauman

6 жыл бұрын

Gunt WasteLander I thought Blackberry 10 was a fantastic OS. It had buttery smooth animations and didn’t run slower as the device got older. Was one of my favourite mobile OS’ to date!

@xleocor

6 жыл бұрын

Blackberry 10 is an awesome OS. Smooth, intuitive and stable. It's downfall was due to the lack of apps.

@wesvill7565

6 жыл бұрын

Gunt WasteLander so what's running your Apple Car Play.....Blackberry QNX. What's makes it possible to safely do your banking online...Blackberry......whats making the hospital equipment work...Blackberry......whats keeping emergency systems running....BlackBerry.......so what's so useless about BlackBerry? What's keeping you Military communicating..... BlackBerry.

@Cornelius87

6 жыл бұрын

Blackberry 10 was and still is the best os I've used on a phone, really ahead of it's time and many of it's gesture features are just making their way to other os. It just came too late and had very poor third party app support.

@justinedzard

6 жыл бұрын

Hey! BB10 is great, the only thing it's lacking is app support

Do you realize you're reviewing an almost 7 year old OS running on an experimental niche device and forgetting about almost everything that came after it? After all it doesn't help in making it seem like the worst thing in the world considering that. "iPads (or should I say "iPad") offer the best tablet experience", based on what exactly, Apple's marketing team?

I just want to know why your audio is so bad? 🤷‍♂️

@Goliath1337

6 жыл бұрын

Jason Simmons he doesn't have studio equipment at home probably

@JasonSimmons

6 жыл бұрын

Goliath just need a better mic

When did Brandon come back to Pocketnow?

@poodzmando

6 жыл бұрын

And more importantly, how has no one else noticed this??? I used to watch him review Windows Mobile devices WAYYYYY back!!

Worst operating system I don't know but probably one of the biggest let down/ disappointment from a tech company... I remember how people were hyped and excited about Honeycomb on tablet hoping it would be the well anticipated iPad killer. No less! . How foolish were we...

Wasn't too bad from my experience at the time. The major improvements in Android after that makes people critical of Honeycomb. I am sure those improvements would not have happened without learnings from Honeycomb.

ZTE Axon M is the Successor to Sony Tablet P!

Wow I remember the Motorola Xoom running honeycomb that was a joke but the hardware at the time was amazing!!!!

Android HoneyComb isn’t so bad like you mentioned. I have a Xoom and purposefully downgraded it to HoneyComb, rooted it, and I haven’t had any trouble with it.

@cohagdmc

Жыл бұрын

Yes

The app drawer wasn’t bright white on other Honeycomb devices, for example the Motorola Xoom.

Please buy a new microphone

Bad microphone is back?

How about the first versions of WinMo where the device would wipe if the battery fully discharged? BB10 on the PlayBook that couldn't even check mail without being tethered to the phone, for the app not connectivity? Amateur hour is over indeed.

Terrible hardware to review an OS.

@jaredballoonboy7944

6 жыл бұрын

Lorenzo Romero The video could be good if he used an ACTUAL Honeycomb tablet! Like the Motorola Xoom.

This is just ... not true. Honeycomb was buggy , yes. But it brought so many good ideas.

What smartwatch are you wearing @2:48?

Gingerbread was my first experience with Android, oh boy the memories. And troubleshooting!

Hey, finally som editing, nice! Now you just need to get a good mic so you can have an even sound in the whole video.

Um, I actually bought one of those Sony Tablet P devices and had it for a while... I got cheap in the UK when it went on clearance. It was certainly unique...

@jaredballoonboy7944

6 жыл бұрын

Christopher von Eitzen I likes it, but when it comes to serious Tablet stuff, the traditional design will remain as the best.

For me, Honeycomb (by design) was actually pretty good back in the day

Introducing the Nintendo 1DS

i have to say it, best video since you came back. but still miles away from the rest of the pocketnow team

@brandonminiman

6 жыл бұрын

thanks. i'm working hard to improve quality.

@andalercom

6 жыл бұрын

For me the only problem is the sound, you need better microphone the sound is very important the rest are good 😊

@RichardRatner.1972

6 жыл бұрын

You must be kidding Jules can't even put a sentence together. Pocketnow podcasts are terrible unfortunately

@meritocraticmafia9824

6 жыл бұрын

for reason, the audio sounds very echoee

@migueloscarsv

6 жыл бұрын

richard ratner yeah i dont listen/watch those, just the reviews

Nice video with a nice subject,however the mic sound is not that great

Android tablet were worse before honeycomb. They used Froyo or Gingerbread and did not have an interface designed for large screens. Honeycomb introduced features such as the Home/Back/Apps button being one-fonger accessible, and the split 2-column menus. I agree that Honeycomb sucked. But it did what it needed to to. It was the first use of a mobile OS on a tablet with an appropriate interface, and sets the design language used in modern Android and iOS tablets.

Even today, iPad is king of the tablet world. Android phones are amazing, but the tablets just can't match how an iPad looks or performs.

@jaredballoonboy7944

6 жыл бұрын

swiftrealm I love my iPad! But I also have a sexy Samsung Galaxy Tab S3, and you don't Know how sad it makes me to see how developers have abandoned android! It had so much potential as a tablet os! And if that wasn't enough, the next version of Android, Android 9.0 P, will not even support tablets! Google can be stupid sometimes.

Love the content Brandon. So good to see you back. I really do think a new setting and/or mic is in need though mate. Too much echo and treble. Purely constructive loving the nostalgic content.

I do wonder how this tablet would perform on a proper AOSP ROM especially for emulation

Interesting video, my earliest device ran on Donut (I think it was upgradable to Eclair?) And while Tablet functionality wasn't priority #1 back then either it's pretty neat to see how far Android has come with software optimisation. That device (a LG GT540 I think) was just a nightmare to handle. Additionally, great improvements in this video! Was a really nice video to watch :)

@Pocketnow

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

this is not a vaio product. the vaio P had a keyboard. this one is called the sony tablet P. seriously, a bit of googling before you publish a video to a well-respected channel would help.

Brandon you ever think about upping the audio quality? I feel like that would be super essential for you so you don’t have the echo from the room your in.

Honeycomb was fine (and could have been better with more dev support) but the market said no to tablets. Many 2-in-1 devices don't even provide a meaningful second experience.

finally an intro and background music!

(Videos are) getting better! This excites me - keep it up!

Hey it's Brandon Miniman, the reason I subscribed to this channel years ago. Hope you're back to stay, who else will bring back the side by side testing that you were famous for? Maybe improve the audio and production a bit and you'll be back on your A game!

I still have a tablet with Honeycomb on it, if I find the charger I'll fire it up for old times sake...as for Honeycomb being the worst Os, not sure about that Gingerbread would have to be a contender for that crown

@jaredballoonboy7944

6 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who LOVES the Interface of Honeycomb? Looks soooo cool! I want one just for the UI!

@mrswilliams3580

6 жыл бұрын

Random Channel XD No, I liked it very much 😊

Honeycomb was worlds then gingerbread. That said ice cream sandwiche is a much improved version of honeychomb. I love the black and blue theme.

Is the video sped up or that thing was actually that responsive? Also, I'd still prefer two devices - one with a small screen for practical use and one with a big screen for both. The phablet bullshit, which to me most phones essentially are, isn't good for everything; to the contrary, it's unoptimized for both - just uncomfortable.

You think HoneyComb OS is Worst... then you must try 'MEMO" OS... then you will know what is worst means...

@Pasi123

6 жыл бұрын

What is MEMO OS?

@Pasi123

6 жыл бұрын

Okay, it's some smart TV operating system

A prime example of Sony’s never ending effort to embrace the bezel. Even when bezels were large Sony insisted on ridiculously large bezels. Now today, when bezels are almost nonexistent, Sony has bezels reminiscent of 5 years ago. What happened to this once great company that I was such a huge fan of?

Did you review the os based on one device? I mean c'mon honeycomb is choppy but it was a good start and a lot of its interfaces are trickled down to the next iteration of Android. There are other devices than that stupid dual display, such as Motorola Xoom and the first Galaxy Tab 10.1.

Is the audio a throwback, too?

Can we stop with this propaganda in favour of iPads? Thanks. No, I don't want to use a restricted propietary OS on my tablet.

@sayantanbanerjee1644

6 жыл бұрын

I know right I am still using my 3 year old Android tablet due to lack of any new nice Android ones but still I want switch to iPad forcely their very expensive and I really hate the fixed nature of iOS

@sayantanbanerjee1644

6 жыл бұрын

MULTIFANDOM ya because of 2 things, it runs Android rather than the turd apple didn't flush called iOS and for the cost of that Ipad pro, you can buy 2 Android tablets and still buy a 400-500$ laptop, if you are so concerned about the"performance" aspect

@sayantanbanerjee1644

6 жыл бұрын

Paulo Jorge Cruz Pereira Rodrigues Melo e Almeida ya mi pads are extremely value for money and Huawei ones and even some Alcatel ones are great

@TheChaosblock

6 жыл бұрын

Can we stop this propaganda against buying better products?

@GreenArt4

6 жыл бұрын

I bought the 350$ 2018 iPad and it's excellent. I'm sure if there was any serious effort on Android Tablet makers' part there would've been good competition, but there just isn't.

Why don’t you update it?

Huh, I never saw it as bad at all. (Although I never saw it as really good). I used it as a desktop os on an android arm PC, and for that, I found it worked great, I really loved the look of the UI, I felt it was pretty consistent and stylised. The only thing I didn't really like about it was by the time I used it it was a bit outdated

Cool flashback, im glad Brandon is doing these retro reviews.

It's not about that operating system .. It's about you improving your video quality ..and i have to say .. it's much better than your previous videos ..good job really ! But still there's room for improvment: A- use a better camera lens B- use a better Mic Good luck man 💙

As a non android user, the sentence “this was long before Android 4.2 jellybean came around with project butter” it confusing and hilarious

I thought Gingerbread was horrific. Straight up RUINED my Motorola Droid X at the time. It ran great on Froyo but DAMN Gingerbread REALLY made it basically unusable.

@DacLMK

6 жыл бұрын

Gingerbread was working great on my Sony Ericsson Live with Walkman but Ice Cream Sandwich ruined it.

@Jaysann22

6 жыл бұрын

Dac DT Really?? Wow. I thought ICS was one of the best. It was one of my favorites. I think it was the Galaxy S3 that I upgraded from the Droid X and it ran like a dream on ICS.

@DacLMK

6 жыл бұрын

ICS worked great on my Sony Xperia S but on the S E LWW was terrible.

Any connecting link between two goods will seem uncooked, but one shouldn't forget the major UI changes it brought to Android.. You should've tested 3.0 on Motorola zoom tab

It wasn't that bad!

The audio in this video is the real throwback

Definitely getting better, you just need better equipment. So pleased to see you back.

Reminds me of the ZTE Axon folding phone. I upcoming foldable phone will also be the same.

And that’s why Apple blew up and took over the world of consumers. They started out buttery smooth and solid performers. No one wanted to deal with the “slow and laggy” android back then. I personally have owned android during those times and I hated its guts. Got rid of it in a matter of weeks and got me an iPhone that made a world of a difference.

What's with the audio?

I see your video game has improved. Love the video. Awesome job sir.

What's up with the audio? Everyone else had better mics?

Almost half of this video was spent talking about the hardware. Also, I'm not trying to defend Honeycomb, but if you wanna to talk about your experience with it, you might wanna do that with a more traditional tablet.

Are you on drugs? There are numerous Android tablets.

Wait a minute, doesn't this mean that Sony technically made the first folding phonw/tablet?

You need a new mic bro. The sound is weak and muffled. Unless that's the effect you were going for

I watched this video on Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9, which run on the same Tegra 2 and 1 GB of RAM, but mine was already upgrade to ICS so it's a bit more tolerable.

Samsung's push to phablets pretty much killed the need for a tablet device in Android, and if you want a tablet screen, go with a 2 in 1 Windows laptop honestly, if you are not in the Apple ecosystem and don't have extreme passion after Apple.

Pixel C is a great tablet. What Google did in 8.1.0 wasn't. If they took care of the OS like they did with 7.1.2 and 8.0.0 then Android tablets wouldn't be all that bad for the masses. Currently watching all KZread videos from my Pixel C.

That echo. Better mic?

I used to have a Motorola tablet with this honeycomb Android. A Samsung Tab as well.......yeah. Sold everything and bought a iPad mini retina......marvellous

You making Honeycomb look like its Windows ME/Vista. And Google didnt give up. The Nexus 7 selled like hotcakes.

Sorry to say this but this guy is not adding any production value to Pocketnow. This is not good production.

I always wanted one of those Sony P tablets, just way ahead of its time. By the way, I have a 7" tablet, I use it for games sometimes.

Well I have no experience with Honeycomb but damn this is BS on so many levels. How can you say that Android tablets are not popular? In Poland Android tablets are the most popular type of tablets! No-one buys an iPad (mainly because it's too expensive) and some people who want PC-like performance buy Windows tablets. I personally owned an Android 5 tablet, considered Android 7 tablet but went with Surface 3 with Windows 10. Why? It's not because Google doesn't care it's because a tablet makes sense if it's not just an overblown phone. Hence the need of a normal operating system that you can do anything in like Windows.

Worst on 2018. Great on 1999

Welcome back, Brandon! :)

Not exactly true that Google gave up after Honeycomb, both Nexus 7s sold like hotcakes and it was after the Nexus 9/Pixel C they gave up and tried to make Chrome OS this weird fusion

Your videos are improving Brandon, but it still feels like a sub 2015 review, keep improving, i know you can catch up to the rest of the PN team

3.x was terrible, but what doomed android as a big tablet os was Microsoft making windows 10 licenses free for devices 10" and under

No way Honeycomb was as bad as Windows ME. That was was absolutely terrible.

:thinking: No one ever talks about android 3, I didn't even know honeycomb existed

totally agree. 2011... omg time flies.

The Xoom was amazing

@jaredballoonboy7944

6 жыл бұрын

Throwback: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYZ4zcZ8Y63Fcc4.html

It's good to see you again after such a long time, Brandon

Android is Android, you never know how badly it runs.

Lmao that hardware belong to the dustbin

"drum solo" LOL

Shout out to that KEY2 at 2:20

No no no... I got one word for ya _Vista_

@mrswilliams3580

6 жыл бұрын

lol

iOS 6? Windows RT or Windows 8? No mention of any non-mainstream OS like TempleOS or Red Star OS? Title was clearly made to get clicks.

Holy shit is Brandon Minivan back?

I disagree that they abandoned tablets after honeycombs failure cuz with 4.0 they made the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 Which we're both successful devices in my opinion