Black Noir vibes anyone? 😂

@Warlock_Lelouch

2 жыл бұрын

I get like evil Snake Eyes to be honest

@Jesup1204

2 жыл бұрын

I don't mind the fact the Kai Leng is silent, I don't like everything else about the mod. Since he does kill Thane, I wouldn't mind making his armor look a little more unique. Also Kai Leng plays a significant role in Mass Effect Retribution and the book fleshes out his character. In fact, Anderson and Henry Lawson mention the events of Mass Effect Retribution in ME3 so the book is canon to the trilogy. (Choices made in the games don't effect the events of the books.)

@Warlock_Lelouch

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jesup1204 I think the problem is that you have to read a comic that was released a year after the game to know anything about Kai Leng. I shouldn’t have to read any extra material to know something about an important character for him to have any depth. Plus the main problem that people have with Kai Leng is just how much of an edge lord he is. The ninja thing, how cocky he is, plus with how he seems to have some personal vendetta against Shepherd just makes him come off as he’s trying way to hard to get daddy Illusive Man’s approval. It’s just annoying. I see what your saying though. Maybe giving the the a more unique armor wouldn’t be so bad as it would help make the thing more personal while keeping a professional vibe with the character.

@JakubWielkiMistrz

2 жыл бұрын

@@DogukanAyan87_ Bro, we have same profile pic 🤜

@hapdf

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Warlock_Lelouch I think that instead of a new antagonist, he should have been replaced by an indoctrinated Miranda or Jacob. It would have carried more drama to the confrontation, especially if your Shepard had an affair with him or her. I'm somehow surprised that none of the cerberus normandy ss2 crew remain loyal to the organisation after mass effect 2. Another option would be to have him replaced Jacob in Mass Effect 2 (and erase Jacob from the game) so that he is an already established character in the third game. with a previous history with Shepard.

If you can remove a character's dialogue entirely and have that actually improve the character then you've fucked up somewhere. Imagine entirely removing any other character's dialogue in any of the games and having it improve the character and overall story? Just shows how poorly written he was.

@pokegod99

2 жыл бұрын

Jacob we all know expect his loyalty mission no one likes him.

@QuantumAscension1

2 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting if you could write a character around that in some way, like they were deaf and had to communicate with test and hand gestures. I remember there being a SPARTAN-III character (Lucy, I think) in one of the Halo books that was mute due to PTSD and she was pretty cool.

@brendankelly2653

2 жыл бұрын

@@QuantumAscension1 that is pretty cool. A lot of people don't understand is that John 117 isn't even the greatest Spartan. There are a lot of Spartans that are super awesome.

@Mysticgamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@brendankelly2653 He was just the luckiest one.

@brendankelly2653

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mysticgamer I'm still figuring out how most of the Spartans now get back peddled by Brutes. While Spartan Cal (RIP) was the only one who stopped a giant hammer blow with one arm. 😁, Everyone else gets rag dolled like little kids 😁

A quiet Kai Leng is WAY more intimidating it shows the inhumanity of Cerberus that their best assassin is this quiet killing machine. Also it reminds me of Snake Eyes from G.I. Joe.

@SnakeMCGaming

2 жыл бұрын

So you like it cuz it's a copy of a different character and not original at all. Got it

@tylerbaldwin3269

2 жыл бұрын

@@SnakeMCGaming Its cause Snake Eyes is a fucking boss

@spectralassassin6030

2 жыл бұрын

@@SnakeMCGaming Considering Leng sucks as a character? Yeah.

@Navajonkee

2 жыл бұрын

@@SnakeMCGaming Not everything has to be original. They just have to work.

@SnakeMCGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@Navajonkee I don’t see how this DIDNT work. He’s a villain. You aren’t exactly supposed to like the villains

Sadly very little can be done about his stupidity projector he uses on all the main characters. Shepherd and Thane still loose 100iq points when he's around

@gagrin1565

2 жыл бұрын

It's rare to see something improved so much still be such absolute trash. It's kind of impressive. Turns out cool cyber ninjas aren't cool when they should have died three times over in their introduction. This is exactly like the endings for me - it doesn't matter how much you add or cut, the problem is fundamental and it cannot be fixed.

@prointernetuser

2 жыл бұрын

in the words of Al Pacino in The Irishman: "You rush a gun; you run away from a knife" Thane seems to misunderstand this to be " You rush with a gun, and they run away with the knife"

@enrique6335

Жыл бұрын

At 2:06 Shepard has a clear line of sight to the target's back and DOESN't pull the trigger. Like, WTF?

@flashn00b

Жыл бұрын

Probably much more excusable for Thane because he's in the final stages of Kepral's Syndrome. The fact that he was able to fight Leng as proficiently as he did is still worth mentioning since in his words, "he let a terminally ill drell stop him from reaching his target."

@dark7element

Жыл бұрын

@@enrique6335 They should've had Shepard shoot him. Even if Leng keeps going and manages to limp away, it would at least preserve the apperance of Shep's competence

I think just shutting him up makes him 100x better, because he's actually a cool character until he opens his mouth

@kylozen3938

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, my first impression of him was that "o this guy may be a challenge." Then he made the mistake of speaking which instantly turned him into a mall ninja with best buy plot armor.

@alphalee7148

2 жыл бұрын

if only he had something interesting to say

@angelesmendoza4922

Жыл бұрын

i remember this was my first reaction to him, one of the few characters i dislike on the trilogy

It's actually shocking just how big a difference simply not talking makes to his character. He actually has an air of mystery and dare I say some intimidation factor when you don't know what he's thinking or what exactly he's gonna do next. Removing his vocal arrogance also means you're less likely to judge his character quite so harshly for his failures against Shepard, he comes across as a silent professional that, while skilled in their own right, simply isn't as good as Shepard. As opposed to the cocky, trash-talking douche canoe that's constantly talking a big game with empty threats and "badass" one-liners while consistently and hilariously failing to live up to his own hype EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

The whole idea of Thane pulling a gun and RUNNING AT THE ENEMY WHO IS WIELDING SWORD is just the stupidest! Why would a person with a gun run into melee range like that? Just absurd. Worst moment in the game.

@michelphilippe193

2 жыл бұрын

I hate the fact that he holds the gun to Kai’s head in the beginning. Thane was introduced killing a few people in seconds.

@HunterX05

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf Thane confirmed the Kepler Sydrome does cause brain damage at the later stages(he himself was pretty much at the final stage)

@fangsabre

2 жыл бұрын

It's because a biotically/cybernetically enhanced individual can block a bullet, but good luck blocking one when it's point blank to your ribs. Basically: *Dodge This*

@thatrandomguy5490

2 жыл бұрын

So just sit there and shoot the guy that can use a force field and sword to block bullets from range, makes sense also

@damianmesa9507

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatrandomguy5490 better than blindly running at the guy, shepherd and Liara could've moved up as well or thane maybe would've been able to back up and regroup with them or something since Kang was gonna charge at thane. Either way he should've lost that battle, instead he ended up escaping and thane died due to poor writing.

It's pretty incredible how well his scenes still work even without dialogue. Like if I hadn't played the game before I probably wouldn't question it at all. I also like that this version is sort of an inverse of Shepard, having no voice or face, two of the things most important about Shep. It's as if in this au the Illusive man realized trying to create his own Shep or convince him to join cerberus was a fruitless effort so instead just went in the exact opposite direction.

@kazekage6903

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome theory that could’ve been an added plot point for the citadel DLC story arc

@ragingfred

2 жыл бұрын

Makes you wonder if he was meant to be silent this whole time until someone decided he needs cringe dialogue and a cringe face.

Skipping the Thessia fight improves the encounter immeasurably. The boss fight only establishes that Kai Leng isn’t a threat in a drawn out firefight. By skipping the fight and going directly into the cutscene, instead of him suddenly becoming competent, he’s competent from the start, he actually acts like a ninja. He knows he won’t win a shootout, so he closes the distance and takes down both squadmates in close quarters, and instead of acting like he can beat Shepard one on one, throws up his shield and summons the actual big guns. He’s not here to fight you, he’s here to retrieve the VI.

@noctoi

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. His only real talent in a fire fight is being an inexplicably proficient bullet sponge. He shouldn't BE hanging around playing sword ninja in a fire fight!

I like how they kept the roars and grunts in at the final battle. It helps to show how he seems to be losing his composure and unflappability, becoming sloppier and making himself vulnerable.

@zephyr_350

11 ай бұрын

yeah, it actually works really well here

You know a character is bad when you can remove all his dialogue and it literally doesn’t leave anything out of context.

you know how they coulda improved Leng? Made him a series of clones? So you can actually beat him and kill him, but he keeps reappearing because TIM cloned him and kept sending the clones at you, with the one at the final Cerberus base being the original, who mocks you for only being able to kill his inferior clones.

@NostalgicGamerRickOShay

2 жыл бұрын

I would still have preferred it if I could have rescued the two Asari scientists off Thessia.

@imverygerby

2 жыл бұрын

Or he could have been a shepherd clone

@egeorgiades93

2 жыл бұрын

@@imverygerby Better yet a Reverse Gender Shepard (if you pick male then the clone is Fem Shepard and if you are Fem Shepard then it’s Male Shepard). A Clone gone wrong but after Shepard left Cerberus TIM decides to use the Clone Shepard since it would be a waste to leave a valuable asset under ice due to a gender error. The Clones motive: to prove they weren’t a mistake and can be & surpass Shepard. Encounter could influence Clone Shepard positively or negatively. If you are evil (Renegade), they feel entitled and justified to kill and surpass you and if good then you have a moment to turn them to your cause however TIM activates a Kill Switch Implant in the clones head Suicide Squad style resulting in Shepard having another reason to take down TIM.

@imverygerby

2 жыл бұрын

@@egeorgiades93 no thanks

@antonioarreola3097

2 жыл бұрын

@@egeorgiades93 Or the Shepherd clone (same gender as your character) "dies" off screen, and in the citadel dlc that is the clone trying to steal your identity.

I would've only had Leng only say two words in the entirety of his run, and that's on thessia, "You're attention." After that, everything else can be cut.

@GameBang666

2 жыл бұрын

Even then, the silence works just fine as shown. He's an assassin, the loyal super soldier that TIM wanted Shep to be, Shep tries talking to him and his response is what it should be "... {Talk to my Boss}"

@NostalgicGamerRickOShay

2 жыл бұрын

I would have preferred it if I could rescue The two scientists instead.

@Uriseph

Жыл бұрын

I do think it's entirely appropriate for him to talk with TiM though; when he's in the shuttle escaping the Citadel.

@devildavin

Ай бұрын

I would have kept the "Understood" after the transmission ends. He has nothing to say to shepard that why he does not talk but he does acknowlege TIM and would respond to his boss.

Man, this is such a vast improvement over OG Leng. He comes off as annoying with the way he was written originally. I feel making him the silent masked ultimate assassin makes him so much more intimidating as a villain

@valemontgomery9401

Жыл бұрын

He also feels more unique, because most antagonists and villains in mass effect do have a voice and a face. Even the Reapers talk to you. The fact that this Kai Leng doesn’t talk or have a face makes him really stand out

Dude the moment when shepherd ask him what do you want after killing the scientists and he says nothing is actually very unnerving, it's kinda like having a mass effect version of Jason Voorhees.

Well, the only true problam Leng had, is that dialog and character did not mix. Removing/changing one is enough to make an improvement. In re-writing, there would be two options for him: 1. Leave the douchebag part, but make him entirely reliant on his bullshit plotshield, basically making him immune to ranged attacks. This would make his sword make sense with his attitude and even better, the last fight would be Shepard stunning him when overloading his shield when exploding a generator near him or something. Then, Omni-Jab(tm) would be even sweeter, since this is the only way his bullshit shield can be bypassed. 2. Make him an absolute menace, which this mod gets very close to by simply shutting him up.

@spectralassassin6030

2 жыл бұрын

I did a playthrough with this mod recently and dang does it do a good job of making him feel like an actual threat. It's now a permanent part of my load order.

@emackenzie

Жыл бұрын

Would relying on a sword when you're immune to ranged attacks make sense? Wouldn't you _want_ to fight at a distance?

@emackenzie

Жыл бұрын

I mean I agree with the rest of your comment, I'm just getting tripped up on that part loll

@Mlurd1

Жыл бұрын

@@emackenzie Lol little late but oh well. I think the idea is that if you are invulnerable at long range, your enemies are forced to close the distance to hurt you and a sword is much better close quarter weapon than gun. Also he still has his hand shooty thing so technically sword isn't his main weapon, it's just for people good enough to come close to him.

I always felt it was such a waste of a voice actor on such a trash character. Baker could’ve been served so much better elsewhere in the story.

@NostalgicGamerRickOShay

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I could have stayed and enjoyed the crab rangoon and played Far Cry 4 as his heir rather than as his enemy.

@MonoKrohm_2020

Жыл бұрын

Lol you’re telling me Troy Baker voiced that piece of shit

The “Silent Antagonist” is an angle I’ve haven’t seen before. Plus, his modded outfit gives off a mystery of who he is. I kinda wished the writers decided to do this when they created his character.

@opticalraven1935

Жыл бұрын

The silent antagonist is hard to do right and it's terrifying when a bad guy doesn't give you lengrhy exposition on why he hates you.

@alexhussinger3550

Жыл бұрын

Ironically given the Citadel DLC, replacing him with a Shepard Clone would make a ton of sense. But this time with the "Control Chip" in his/her brain, silently carrying out the Illusive Man's orders without question or complaint.

@axelnilsson5124

Ай бұрын

There’s several silent antagonists in horror movies with the most iconic ones being Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers

I seriously loved how his arc ended. So satisfying. Thane was a good friend.

Its unbelievable how removing all his dialog actually makes him better without affecting the scenes

The fun is, that this makes way more sense. He should be what Shepard would be without everyone. A emotionless sword

It is absolutely amazing how effective the simple act of Leng shutting up makes him seem calculating, in control, and adds tension to the scene. The blame for that falls squarely on the writers. Best case scenario would've been if Leng had been referenced in the original Mass Effect as a silent warrior who you never even catch a glimpse of. Then in ME2, Leng is this silent guardian acting a temporary squadmate helping your escape at the beginning. But his stats are just off the charts, and he ends up doing most of the fighting for you since you're still weak. Just to make you appreciate how deadly he is. Then in ME3 he's now an antagonist with a deadly reputation whom you've personally seen in action. And then keep the boss fights in, because now you're invested in them. No matter how cheap they seem, this guy now has a very well deserved reputation for why he might actually be better than Shepard. Edit: It reminds me of Megaman X2, where you have the option of chasing the X-Hunters to acquire Zero's parts, and rebuild him. And if you fail to do so, they resurrect Zero themselves and you have an extra boss fight against him. After seeing how he handled himself in the original Megaman X, every player was curious how X would stand up against Zero. And now that we could finally find out, it made that extra boss fight something to look forward to, and so much more satisfying than playing the game the "right" way and rebuilding Zero yourself.

@generallyuseless5821

2 жыл бұрын

That's genius. Hits all the marks and I'd actually want to see more of Kai leng if that was the story.

@717UT

Жыл бұрын

You sir, just fixed his character!

Yo the skipped fight on Thessia just puts in perspective how poorly handled Kai Leng was as a villain. It makes WAY more sense for the cutscene to continue to play out in that moment

This character looks like it was either written by kids, or written FOR kids… It is annoyingly stereotypical with his unnecessary ninja moves… And most annoyingly, his fights are entirely plot driven. He has 10 second invulnerabilities because he can’t be beaten at that point of the story, then he is easy to fight against. What is the most annoying is what’s happening when I’m Vanguard with Charge, and with Lash as bonus skill. With these, I literally wipe the floor with Kai Leng, he doesn’t have a chance to even shoot at me. The game still treats everything the same way. I drag him across the floor face down, and suddenly he is badass again in cutscene…

@GameBang666

2 жыл бұрын

I one time soft locked my game by draining his shields too fast (thanks Ascended Garrus) and proceeding to use a biotic power on him (forget which), he ragdolled on the ground and refused to get back up, his shields stopped regenerating and his health wouldn't go down so i was stuck there staring at a big puddle of useless on the ground while i contemplated why I couldn't just vamoose with the Prothean Pokeball and end the war. Funnily enough if Kai Leng wasn't present or was beaten without plot bullshit, the war would have ended basically a day or so after the fall of Thessia.

@battyrae1398

10 ай бұрын

My infiltrator chaingunning explosions with flare sympathises.

I heard in the comics that this supossedly space ninja broke into Anderson's apartment just to steal a bread and pee in a flower pot

@MrHulthen

2 жыл бұрын

You heard right lmao

@AhmadWahelsa

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrHulthen Bruh moment 🗿

@legateelizabeth

2 жыл бұрын

He pours himself a bowl of cereal as well. Gods Leng is the worst.

@bat32391

2 жыл бұрын

Now thats a reference I haven't heard in many years.

I was thinking "the only way to fix Kai Leng is to remove him entirely", and, well, they did the next best thing. I like that they replaced one of his appearances with a Phantom, I always wanted to see one of them up close. And Kai Lang is just a glorified Phantom himself, so it stands to reason.

@717UT

Жыл бұрын

I too thought that scene was a stroke of genius. Works incredibly well.

I don't have problems with him talking or seeing his face, it's more about the scripted and forced encounter you get with him where you automatically lose, even if win from a gameplay perspective, during the Thessia fight (he just goes and recharge his shields while the aircraft fires at you) Even a QTE type of gameplay feels more rewarding than fighting Kai Leng 😂

@MrHulthen

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe exactly

@therainbowconnection6813

2 жыл бұрын

Winning in game and losing in cutscenes is one of the worst gaming tropes in existence. Alternatively, I feel like not letting you fight him until the end and only have the cutscenes would vastly improve things as well. Also a game built around choices and consequences guilt tripping you for losing in the cutscene. It's enraging. If the rage was towards Kai Leng it would have been a good thing, it means the game is well written. But my rage was towards the idiot who wrote that.

@GayLPer

Жыл бұрын

The only thing I like about the Thessia encounter is that Shepard insult Kai Leng for basically relying on a gunship to recharge his shields, as if Shepard was directly calling out the BS. But yeah.

Every time I see Leng standing up on that air car approaching the bridges I think to myself: “Pull up, you idiot! Pull up and all your problems will be solved.“

honestly just the small detail of replacing Kai Leng taking down the skycar with a Phantom is incredible, since it feels less like "this wanker again..." followed by a massive "fuck you" and more like you've just been caught up in the chaos of the attack at random.

Y'know, I was reluctant to install this mod cause as annoying and infuriating Kai Leng is, that annoying and infuriating writing made it feel so good to stab him in the gut, but seeing your video about, seems like it'd a good addition to my collection It's a shame the mod that replaces with him Ashley or Kaidan depending on who was left on Virmire most likely won't get ported over to Legendary Edition, that's a really cool concept that incorporates this "Shut Up Leng" mod with the "Phantom Introduction Mod" also featured here

@TheMiddlingGamer

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, too bad it's a lore-breaking idea that makes no sense.

@VeryClassyDemon

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMiddlingGamer I mean, the Happy Ending Mod(s) are lore-breaking ideas and could be potentially be argued into making no sense when you consider they make it so the Geth and EDI aren't affected by the Destroy ending, but you don't see me complaining about them

@DarkLordDiablos

2 жыл бұрын

Switching him out and replacing him with Kaiden or Ashley would have made way more sense considering that Cerberus brought Shepard back to life so doing the same to the Virmire would have been the ultimate twist. Granted it could have easily been compared to MSG's Gray Fox angle from Solid but when has that even stopped anyone considering it's the the same story in Winter Soldier and I don't remember anyone complaining. Also the fact that you can face Jack as a Phantom if you don't do the Grissom Academy mission before Priority Citadel, having the final reveal in TIM's office would been awesome as like this mod they could have remained silent with everyone wondering about it due to the Cyber Ninja displaying specific traits related to the survivor like the view from a Sniper Scope for Ashley done just before dropping down.

@TheMiddlingGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarkLordDiablos No, it would have been silly beyond disbelief.

@DarkLordDiablos

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMiddlingGamer well you are I'm guessing in the minority on that but you are welcome to your opinion.

While he is annoying and a try-hard, I'd argue that his death is all the more satisfying because of his annoyance. Everybody wants to see an asshole getting their comeuppance and seeing Kai Leng finally gets stabbed by Shepard is quite satisfying. Though if there's things about Kai Leng needed fixing, it'll be Priority: Thessia and Thane being stabbed scene. The scene where Thane got stabbed was so oddly done, Kai Leng didn't do anything impressive, all he did was raised his sword and Thane jumped into said sword and the slow motion made it all the more ridiculous and stupid since you got time to process the fact that Thane just JUMP into his death. Shepard's "defeat" on Priority: Thessia was also BS and turns Kai Leng from simply an annoying adversary into "This guy has a thick plot armor" kind of adversary.

@spectralassassin6030

2 жыл бұрын

Eh. Finally being able to stab him originally was kinda hollow for me. I just hated every second he was on screen.

@rayclay3249

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectralassassin6030 So even the pay off of being able to stab the SOB does nothing for you ? I'd have thought that the more hateable he is, the more satisfying it'll be when he's stabbed

@terra_the_nightingale135

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t even know Kai Leng was hated for writing purposes, i thought he was hated for ya know… being what’s meant to be a hateable character you want to kill. I LOVED stabbing him in the end and Shepard telling him “that was for Thane you son of a bitch”

@rayclay3249

2 жыл бұрын

@@terra_the_nightingale135 Kai Leng was hated for writing purposes since he can at times feel like he has plot armor such as when he kills Thane and another instance in Thessia. Kai Leng was hated and it's by design due to the fact that he's your rival and his victory on Thessia was supposed to feel like a massive blow to Shepard but in execution, his victories doesn't feel earned and it is rather contrived. Though, yeah, his death was very satisfying in a "finally squashing an annoying cockroach that has slipped away too many times" way Basically, he's the antithesis of Micah Bell from RDR2, a character who was hated because he was written so well as a rival

@GayLPer

Жыл бұрын

Thane jumping onto his sword would've been more impressive if Shepard had used it as a way to shoot Kai Leng through Thane (make it a Renegade Interrupt at that). Kind of like how Pride finally got dealt a major injury in Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. Then it could've justified why Kai Leng needed to retreat at that moment, since he just got shot, and since Thane's body was interfering with the kinetic barrier, it went right through it and hit him. Then we could've had the Phantom on top of the car instead of Leng, making it a proper introduction for the enemy type.

I always think: why Shepard is watching Thane fight and doing nothing?! He/she interferes after Thane is hit by Leng's sword. It makes me uncomfortable.

@fangsabre

2 жыл бұрын

Because they were trying to get the councilor away, and also didn't have a clear shot as Thane was using CQC

@hadijarehan2126

2 жыл бұрын

@@fangsabre who said anything about shooting? Shepard could fight with Thane. There's no need for three fully armed soldiers to protect a damn councilor.

@fangsabre

2 жыл бұрын

@@hadijarehan2126 Shepard isn't a hand to hand specialist (at least not that we've seen outside some small moments here or there), it's possible he would get in the way more than he would help.

@TGK2004

10 ай бұрын

They could have put up a renegade interrupt for Sheppard to shoot or do something at least

Honestly, if Kai Leng only spoke on occasion that'd have been fine. "Now it's interesting" once threatened with a 3 on 1 fight, would have gone a long way if it was the only thing he actually says to you that entire encounter. It shows that he's extreamly dangerous, and likes a challenge.

' That was for Thane you SOB! ' yep, even after hearing 1232154324324th time, this line still gives me goosebumps :)

I think the mod could be improved in Kai lengs “shut up” outfit, I think it would be cool if they modified his appearance or colors to look like an elite assassin compared to the usual ones.

@langleymneely

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly this just makes him look like another boring looking Cereberus NPC.

@spectralassassin6030

2 жыл бұрын

There's an option to keep his black armor.

@Refracturon

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectralassassin6030 that’s useful to know.

@GayLPer

Жыл бұрын

@@langleymneely Making him look like another boring Cerberus NPC is still an improvement.

0:19 I will be honest and upfront with you here. When you titled this video "The Worst Character in Mass Effect 3 Has Finally Been FIXED," I thought this was a video about the Star Child 🤣

@Spindlegrind

Жыл бұрын

I thought Jacob had been modded out. Seriously, get the save all achievement and forevermore Jacob is getting in the collector tunnel.

@KnoxCarbon

2 ай бұрын

The Catalyst can be made more interesting and to a degree intimidating by one simple change: Have it constantly changing forms and voice based on memories from Shepard's past. It's clearly tapping into Shepard's mind Leviathan-style, it feels kinda lazy to have ot just take on the form of some random kid. Have it start out as a formless ball of light, before changing between the Child, the fallen Virmire squadmate, and Shepard himself when initially introducing itself. When the options for the Crucible start, have it shift to Anderson when discussing the Destroy option, the Illusive Man for the Control option, Saren or EDI for the Synthesis option depending on Paragon or Renegade alignment, and its true Leviathan form if Refusal is picked.

ME3 has become the best in the trilogy for some reason 🤔 his silence in Thessia was badass

So to be fair if this was implemented fully till the final mission were you knock off his mask. Then you kill him for not shutting up.

What an amazing improvement! Makes me regret being a console guy. Also just realised that having no character at all beats having a shit character. Good lesson for writers!

@SnakeMCGaming

2 жыл бұрын

What makes it a "shit" character? Because he's a bad guy? Because he's a foil for you to fight? He's doing LITERALLY what he's supposed to do as a character. Not liking the BAD GUY is the whole point. So be technical and tell me how he's "Shit". Cuz you are implying it's "bad writing" but giving zero examples of how. Not to mention shitting all over the voice actor too. So tell me, besides it being your opinion that you don't like him, how is it "shit"

@NostalgicGamerRickOShay

2 жыл бұрын

His everything-proof shield is like that little kid you used to play with in the playground who would always whip out the impregnable shield and wear the impenetrable armor and wield the weapon that cannot be stopped. 🙄

@hanneswesterberg

2 жыл бұрын

​@@SnakeMCGaming Come on, antagonists are obviously not bad per se. The issue is that Kai Leng effectively serves as a story-saboteur in ME3. His purpose is to cut us off from where the story was really meant to go. ME3's development cycle was crunch-galore, and there simply wasn't enough time to write, say, a proper conclusion to the Thessia mission. Insert Kai Leng. For the same reason, we never got to see Palaven - only its moon, as it saved a ton of resources needed for other things. If BioWare had gotten three years of development (as they did with ME2) instead of two, I'm confident Kai Leng would never have been in the game, or at least would have been a more fleshed out character. We might have gotten fighting on Palaven too. So that's why I don't like him. I suspect he was hastily thrown into the game as a result of EA's greed and unreasonable demands. He's also a lame douchebag with zero depth or nuance and the combat is annoying. Why do you think the developers gave us the most satisfying kill in the entire trilogy to end his story arc? They must have hated him too. Also I can't remember shitting all over the voice actor, but I feel for the dude because he didn't have much to work with.

@SnakeMCGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@hanneswesterberg so your entire hatred for a character is based off your idle speculation that he was only designed to not show you parts of the game that were originally intended? That’s a pretty loose reason to despise a character. And all still just your opinion and theory, have yet to hear any technical issue that makes the writing “shit”

@SnakeMCGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@NostalgicGamerRickOShay it’s the future, all fighters have shields, including Shepard, and it’s only impenetrable when you aren’t actually fighting him. Next

We know Kai Leng is shit, but there's Jacob Taylor, you know...

@MrHulthen

2 жыл бұрын

True lol

That's why sticking the omni blade in his ribs is one of my favorite moments in ME3

The mod looks great and I have to agree to agree with you. The silence brings a different dynamic to the scenes and for the better. Btw. I'm pretty sure Leng's "grunt" is recycled in multiplayer as the sound of the Turian Sentinel/Soldier heavy melee.

This just reminded me about how poorly they handled that Thane fight. Everybody just standing there like idiots. Least they could have done was having the typical getting cut off or separated trope.

@tylerbaldwin3269

2 жыл бұрын

Or have it be like on Thessia, where he just washes the floor with the squad before taking down Thane

Kai Leng was a joy to renegade kill in the end because of his normal Mass 3 behavior. I wouldn't change a thing. But thanks for bringing us mod reviews :).

@inquisitorpig5760

2 жыл бұрын

I just wonder one thing... what happens if you don't pick the Regenade move? Does one of your squadmates shoot him? Or is it a singular instance where you can fail by not doing it?

@y060795

2 жыл бұрын

@@inquisitorpig5760 Nothing changes at all. With renegade interrupt you crush his blade and kill him. Without it he misses his attack and you kill him. Renegade interrupt is simply more satisfying.

I'm aware of this mod and have considered it as he is as stated the most annoying character in the series. So with that said I'm glad it skips the Thessia Boss fight since he only survives because he's meant to and not because he's tough. Same with the fight on TIM's base which if you are playing as a Vanguard doesn't last very long thanks to Biotic Charge and Nova.

Shepard: *You.* Completely different Cerberus ninja wearing the same armor:

Wow, i agree taht this mod really makes the character more menacing and actually more like a cerberus soldier. Even the part where he just taps on his head and the gunship react like he is somehow connected. Dont know what the mod makes, but the one scene bothers me, where they chase kai leng and his crew to the lift and cerberus gang just stands there, shepard forgets how to hero and does nothing.

@spectralassassin6030

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was a problem with most of his scenes. He appears and all the other badasses in the room are suddenly low level grunts. Like I know at the part on Thessia that half my squad could have made him eat dirt. And I usually bring Javik on that mission. You know the 50,000 year old soldier who has extremely powerful biotics? That he somehow forgets to use in that fight. Or Garrus with a dang widow? Or Tali who could hack his shields? Or Liara who's also a very powerful biotic?

@MrEyescream

2 жыл бұрын

@@spectralassassin6030 i totaly agree. But not only that, hes moves are also "weak" so he does not comes by like an enhanced supersoldier. Even the half dead thane could deal with him in melee combat, than the permanend working out james should that with ease. Its like Shepard forgot how to use a gun when he sees kai leng. That dudes made an edgelord landing on the cab and shepard cant hit the target right in front of him? well, or like you sad every other scene. Its not that he made some hyper quick movement moves due to the enhanced lags he got becuase anderson shot him or that he shows how physicaly strong he is. Or at least an explanation why shepard cant shoot him, dont know, like he can deflect bullets with biotics or his armor is too thick. Then it would make sense why shepard cant hit him or it didnt even tried (lift scene)

This works better thematically for Cerberus too, since ME3 shows how this pro-human org is losing its humanity. The foot soldiers are shown to have been genetically tampered with, and TIM's endgame of absolute control over organic and synthetic life, would be perfectly represented by this Kai Leng - a faceless supersoldier who obeys commands without feeling

I like that you can literally replace KL with a random silent Cerberus uniform and *nothing is lost.*

It ridiculous how simply removing dialogue and adding a helmet makes Leng a much more intimidating and interesting antagonist.

Thane losing to your average Cerberus Phantom makes him seem even weaker than ever, which is surprisingly fitting. Also makes the Phantoms seem more threatening considering one stabbed your engine, and Jack herself becomes one

Modders make Mass Effect "Great Again!"

I love how Illusive man refers to them as Leng still It speaks volumes in a way I can't describe, that this person is a person but his mind is completely on the mission, not chit chat or showing off The fact they don't speak just implies to me that they're taking their work seriously, they know the threat they're facing and are thinking over their moves carefully It makes the final fight interesting too since they KNOW they probably can't handle a one on one based on previous encounters and are exerting heavily to outfight Shepard, even in death it feels like you fought a real professional who just got in a fight they were outclassed in

Reading this table of contents, I thought we were finally able to do something with Jacob Taylor. 😅😅😅 But fixing Kai Leng is also a good job.

Wow, this is way better. especially on thessia, the whole scene makes him seem mysterious instead of like a bratty teenager

Hey I've been thinking who is the best villain in the Mass effect games Sarin, Sovereign, Harvinger, Elusive Man, or The Catalyst?

"He has taken an vow of silence" "Why?" "He doesn't say"

Now is this available on LE? His Thessia fight on insanity (vanguard) was annoying simply for the only threat in the fight (the gunship)

The way I see it, the only thing that can make this mod better is if somehow, Kai Leng's helmet gets destroyed and his face is revealed during the final fight. IMO this would add emphasis to him not being so invincible after-all.

I can't believe that his lines were so bad and unnecessary that not only are his scenes improved by removing them, the scenes still makes sense.

Not only that but it actually gives some credit to the cereberus troops using the specialized soldiers as actual cut scene enemies that are competent and dangerous. I feel like going into the phantom fights after the car scene makes the combat sequences themselves more impactful

1:07 I wasn't sold until that part. The lack of dialogue is kinda terrifying. Like, you can see him thinking.

But does it still allow the grunt when you finally kill him at the end? Feels like we need that kind of satisfaction, of finally getting him to make a noise.

Is there a version that keeps him silent but doesn't skip the boss fight as I definitely like the silent version but I don't like removing gameplay content I would also like to keep him as the one who destroys the car

The only thing I found interesting about Kai Leng was that he released a V.I when he was at the Citadel to delete all security footage of him.

Does this remove Andersons line about Leng as well on the vidcom call with him and Hacket?

But you’re missing the best part of Kai Leng with this: Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet. So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death. -KL

You know what adds to its coolness? You can almost imagine how how his character developed. After taking so many L’s in the books and comics, he finally decides to stop taking and let his actions speak for him. Instead of projecting false bravado, his silence speaks volumes of the amount of violence he’s capable of. I love this mod

It does certainly give off that vibe that the Illusive Man has forced so much Reaper tech inside him that all humanity is gone, all that is left is a highly honed killing machine. Its certainly beats the annoying "wE eVolVe or dieeE" edgelord we had in vanilla

Do we know what system requirements will be at this point for #4?

I wish there was a mod like this to replace Jacob instead.

The silence makes him ominous. It's so much better

This would have been a cool way of using the shepherd clone from the citadel dlc mission. I love that mission but it would make sense that Cerberus would use a mind controlled likely indoctrinated version of shepherd instead of making up Leng for no reason. And the thwarting of shepherd would feel more satisfying in the end because obviously he can anticipate what shepherds thinking and planning but not everything due to the loss of free will and adaptability

The fact that he just appears out of nowhere and is some sort of rival for shepard even though we never even saw him let alone heard of his before the citadel and hes some sort of edge lord just ruined it for me

Ive never played mass effect 3 before. Would i be missing important info if i download this mod?

@stricknit

Жыл бұрын

Nothing at all, the mod just remove Leng dialogue wich is totally useless

I don't know if it's still there, but I saw a mod where Kai Leng would be replaced by Ashley Williams in Cerberus armor. There's even dialouge from her but I can't find the video

@Benmedrano4000

8 ай бұрын

They took it down from the nexus

@themessenger1871

8 ай бұрын

@@Benmedrano4000 Well that's just sad 😞

I have a lot of mods installed, including texture mods, it will conflict with this mod? I want it bad

@MrHulthen

2 жыл бұрын

Don't think so! :D

@imarseti353

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrHulthen I also have the Phantom Introduction Mod, which includes the phantom introducing scene (the same you see here in the video), don't know if they are the same creators of the mod

Oh yes, finally someone managed to shut him up. I wish there's a mod that either let's thane win and then Leng escapes. Or let's us fight along side thane, like a boss fight.

One thing that always got me was how come Shepard doesn’t join in the fight with thang

The most annoying thing? Not the fact that Shepard loses friends on Akuze but when he wakes up, ok Cerberus, I’ll help you. Or Shepard is a spectre and doesn’t answer to earth (do the renegade quest and pick the bottom answer to Hackett) but ME3 rolls around, and instead of trying to find ways of stopping the reapers, like he promised, he’s hiding from the Batarians on earth. The more I pick at this trilogy, the worse it looks

@inquisitorpig5760

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Shepard wasn't voluntarily hiding on Earth. Alliance High Command kinda just decided to ground them to avoid pissing off the batarians.

@DarthDainese

2 жыл бұрын

@@inquisitorpig5760 As I said, “the reapers are coming and I’m going to find some way to stop them” turns into I’m going to listen to some prick on earth, and hide there for 6 months and wait for the reapers to turn up,when I’m no longer in the Alliance, my only rank is Spectre, I answer to the council. Spin it how ever you like, but as a former military man, if I’d lost my entire unit, I’d be gunning for the bastards responsible, that’s why ME2 fails for me and is a knock on effect for 3. The funny thing is, I liked the end of 3, because I always chose to destroy the reapers and I was fine with Shepard dying, because he’d achieved his goal

@inquisitorpig5760

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarthDainese You might have something of a point here, but it could also have been that the Alliance was ordered to ground Shepard by the Council, when they turn in the Normandy. Also worth considering Shepard probably didn't want to rush head first into the next battle after committing to an extremely risky mission(to the point it was considered a suicide run) to take out the Collector base. Though six months(or however long it was again, the game doesn't decide if it wants that period to be half a year or a full year) is certainly a little too long for Shep to be sitting around doing nothing out of their own volition. I do kind of agree with letting Shepard be done with things after ME3. I'd just want to go settle down somewhere nice too, after putting my life on the line for the galaxy that many times(and getting shut down or refused by the main ruling bodies so often despite that).

I first played ME3 in the legendary edition, so I was already at a disadvantage when it came to taking Kai Leng seriously. I took one look at his design and started yelling "WHO THE HELL IS BUCKY?" and other Winter Soldier references at the screen.

@splitsong7368

2 жыл бұрын

It would be infinitely better if kai leng was just the squadmate who died on virmire.

@segevkrespi8609

Жыл бұрын

@@splitsong7368 wouldn't make sense cuz they got nuked. And unlike Shepard they aren't as important to try and bring back to life.

@splitsong7368

Жыл бұрын

@@segevkrespi8609 shepard endured atmospheric reentry and impact. Like hell they couldnt bring back the nuked one.

@segevkrespi8609

Жыл бұрын

@@splitsong7368 what? Shepard's body survived the atmospheric re-entry because of his/her suit. Cerberus had a body to work with. Whoever you leave on Virmire got NUKED, Vaporized, not an atom of them left. How exactly would Cerberus bring them back?

That second of silence zoomed in on his mask after Shepard asks him what he wants on Thessia gave me goosebumps.

He felt so out of place in Mass Effect 3. Like a lame Shonen Anime character got randomly inserted into a western sci-fi game. lol

Nice mod, I honestly don't mind the Thesaia fight, and I would like Lang's new design to be a bit more unique.

I love how the Mod's name is "Shut up Leng" simmilar to "Shut up Weasley" from Star Trek .

I can't believe a fucking space ninja stole our prothean tamagotchi - The Salt Factory, a week ago

I remember before Mass Effect 3 released, BioWare was hyping fans up about how much of a dangerous badass Kai Leng would be for Shepard to face, especially with the release of the novel Mass Effect Retribution which featured Kai Leng in its story.

Man, I regret not finding this mod earlier, and I heard that downloading content mods after ALOT is a bad idea. It’s crazy to think that silent Leng is actually unnerving.

Nice mod, but what about those video footage, where Len talking to Illusiveman? Did he remain silent there too? If yes then it looks like the Illusiveman talking with himself...

I turned Kai Leng into a puddle of goo with the Acolyte heavy pistol.

My first play through the salarian councilor gets killed and udina uses space photo shop to incriminate shepherd IDK why Thane didn’t show in that playthrough

I can get the grunt, exerting as much force as he was, it adds a sense of realism, he can avoid talking, but he’s not a mute.

While I like this version better, lets be honest. If this had been the version they shipped at launch with nothing to compare it to, people would have complained, "Who's this random ninja guy who keeps showing up, and why don't we learn anything about him!? He doesn't even say anything! So cliché!"

You know a character is bad when you have to make your main characters lose 100 iq points just for him to stand a chance lol (I do feel bad for whoever was asked to voice this train wreck of a character though)

100% if this was in the game people will go crazy to find out who is this character

I just saw a video where a guy said an actor doesn't need to have their face fully exposed and clean to show off their character, with references to the Mandalorian and the Halo show. It also reminded me of GI Joe's Snake Eyes, who is basically the fan favourite. This is a pretty good example of it and I might actually write a fully silent character for my manga. Maybe an evil elite assassin for the villain or a silent bounty hunter that almost never loses.

Well, taking away his face and his dialogue helps but I still have to ask why Thane didn’t just shoot him. From a safe distance. Oooh, the other changes are definitely better. Having a henchman destroy the car instead of Kai Leng failing at killing Shep is an improvement and the abbreviated Thessia fight is a huge improvement. I’m going to have to get a computer just to get this mod. Can’t do it on my Xbox :(

It would have been better imo if we still got feedback from leng, like breathing, or grunting if he gets hit. Kind of like vaders breathing apparatus, but pulled back a bit. Im not saying he should be heard breathing from the other room, but when the camera is up close to his mask or something. Just a small detail i think would help.

Kei Lang and the Phantoms being basically Biotic Ninja Assassins feels more like something Asari Huntresses would be trianed in, not a group like Cerberus.

I always love that moment in my favourite fanfic where, after Leng stabs the aircar, wounding Shepards LI, she just proceeds to lead him to an unceremonious end by pulling up and smearing him across the underside of a bridge.