Thanks for having me on, Vee, this was a ton of fun! Hope you all enjoy the video.

@prisonmike729

3 жыл бұрын

Just checked ur channel.. I love comics so you got my sub

@OwenLikesComics

3 жыл бұрын

@@prisonmike729 thanks so much!

@randallflagg3700

3 жыл бұрын

@@prisonmike729 - And you have my bow.

@randallflagg3700

3 жыл бұрын

@@OwenLikesComics - I had watched some of your videos a while back (on the Batman Beyond movie, Batman: White Knight, Joker, cancelled live action shows, etc etc ) and I'm not sure why I forgot to subscribe, but that's rectified! Thanks a lot for your cameo here, I shall watch all the videos you've made since last time ASAP ^_^

@M1keFoxxx

3 жыл бұрын

@@prisonmike729 I dunno man, Owen only "likes" comics so you might be barking up the wrong tree there

There's actually an episode in the animated series where Harley captures Batman, and at one point, he laughs at her infatuations with Joker, calling out his manipulation. Harley is downright terrified hearing Batman actually start to laugh

@JohnDoe-qy5eu

3 жыл бұрын

That’s actually season 4 but it wasn’t called the animated series it was call the new adventures of Batman.

@flintlockwood25

3 жыл бұрын

Ye that's Mad Love, one of the most famous Animated Series episodes of all time. Duuuuh

@CynderSpirit

3 жыл бұрын

Batman also laughed in Underdwellers and Joker's favor, in fact there are plenty of episodes in BTAS where he also smiled, made wise cracks, and would even make small jokes every now and then. Anybody who says Batman has never laughed or smiled would be wrong as he has laughed and smiled in many adaptations while also keeping the dark and serious tone, including some comic books as there was one where he and Dick Grayson ended up play wrestling.

@ManOfX305

3 жыл бұрын

Also in Batman Beyond Return of the Joker; He laughs... It sounds way better though.

@flintlockwood25

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManOfX305he laughs of Joker toxin

Bruce Timm has a problem with Batman and Batgirl. I still hate that comic with Bruce getting Barbara pregnant behind Dick's back. Like what the absolute fuck was that?

@maxtheamazing8870

3 жыл бұрын

Wait what the fuck

@kaiverse9568

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus christ Batman

@redharrison894

3 жыл бұрын

Her name is BAT - Girl so it makes sense for hee love interest to be the main character Batman!

@japanrocksgousa

3 жыл бұрын

@@redharrison894 please dont comment anything like that again, ok? I have a heart condition and seeing things like murder, explosions, and really really bad opinions on someone named after their father figure and mentor having fruitful sexual relations with them behind the back of the legal son of that man, whom they are romantically involved with.

@japanrocksgousa

3 жыл бұрын

It really makes it hard to breathe and could kill me

My problem with the Batman and Batgirl relationship is 1. Dick has dated Barbara and they have been engaged in the past 2. Its Jim's daughter 3. Batman would probably know self control

@uriamudeltoro5075

3 жыл бұрын

....you would think.....that whole self control thing....

@AndreNitroX

3 жыл бұрын

Good points

@Benji568

3 жыл бұрын

"He showed me pictures of my daughter. Have you seen her? Is she alright?" Ooh... that's gonna be an AWKWARD talk!

@hailpickens2454

3 жыл бұрын

@@Benji568 “Oh she’s ALRIGHT alright Jim”.

@Biologicalerror

2 жыл бұрын

Batman in injustice 2 says that a lesson robin didn’t learn from the league that he would teach him was self control.

"Turning her into an angry angsty teenager" Titans: Hold my beer

@kazinadbiralamadit6905

3 жыл бұрын

Their excuse is more legitimate as in they adapt mostly from bronze & dark age of comics where she was angsty , but I would have liked to see them incorporating more fun elements. Akiva goldsmith & the cast basically confirmed that in DC fandome that they will gradually incorporate more of the fun elements of the comics, truth be told I would like to see that.

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 I seriously hope so I want a Titans team that is actually a team that works together that actually are friends and crack jokes

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 Titans is in serious need of those fun elements from the comics give me a Nightwing that cracks jokes give me a funny Beast Boy give me a deadpan humor Raven

@Vegitodraws

3 жыл бұрын

This is going to sound ironic, but Dick Grayson is a dick in "Titans". He seriously got Jericho killed, and then tried to do the same with Rose

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vegitodraws Yep he really is he got Jericho killed and then tried to do the same thing to Rose he is a terrible leader and mentor to Beast Boy Raven and Jason His relationship with Starfire is non-existent He chose Vengeance rather than Mercy on Tony Zucco and then later became a murderer killing criminals after leaving Batman he killed those guys in the alley in the first episode he blew up a mental hospital and he let Starfire kill a bunch of police officers who were just doing their job on the train He beat up a bunch of security guards at an airport to lock himself up and later in prison beat up a bunch of guards

I really liked Hamill's delivery of the final joke. He seemed to give it his all for final speech/Two guy story

@mattwood2981

3 жыл бұрын

Hamil has always done Joker great. TBQH, my favorite adaption of him

@zemox2534

3 жыл бұрын

John DiMaggio did a better job delivering the joke in the death in the family. Honestly John does not get enough credit as Joker.

@trebot9292266

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad they rewrote it into the awful version we got.

@dustinakadustin

3 жыл бұрын

The voice performances in the film are excellent, Conroy and Hamill will always be great as Batman and Joker, so yeah can enjoy their parts of the film with ease.

@CorbCorbin

2 жыл бұрын

@@zemox2534 I like DiMaggio a lot, because he’s not doing a take on Mark Hamill’s version, or if he is it’s the least like Hamill, while still being excellent. His Joker is very much a Joker written by someone else, as well as the way he’s drawn. He’s bigger and more physical. When he kills Jason, he really makes Jason look like a helpless child in the scene, especially in comparison with his size and look.

When I first saw this movie I was not expecting batman and batgirl to have a one night stand. That for me was one of, if not the worst part of the movie. Their age difference and the teacher student relationship they have made it weird for me. I wouldn't say I saw a father- daughter relationship because she already had a living father who is from what I've seen is a good dad. I see it more as a uncle-niece relationship I guess if that makes sense.

@AndreNitroX

3 жыл бұрын

Bruce Tim has an obsession with this ship and is trying to force it on the fans. It is honestly the worst ship in Dc comics for me.

@hollywinchester9028

3 жыл бұрын

@@AndreNitroX I agree. It's a horrible ship

@AndreNitroX

3 жыл бұрын

@@hollywinchester9028 this video describes in full detail why i hate this ship, even back in the animated series.

@japanrocksgousa

3 жыл бұрын

You can have two dads

@dancorneanu9144

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry for responding so late, but I also want to addd: It also has further repercussions for the mythos. Since then every stupid idea someone has to put weird, creepy relationships in Batman get defended with they did it before. Yes, they did. And it was stupid then. We don't need more stupid. Every time you watch Batman, Batgirl or Nighthwing you have s reminder of that scene. Always in the back of your brain.

It kills me that they didn't take a simple fact into account. Killing Joke has nothing to do with Batgirl. The book doesn't mention Batgirl, Joker doesn't know Barbara is Batgirl, and that's purposeful. Once you introduce Batgirl to the story, you blur the lines.

@INFERNO95

3 жыл бұрын

She was nothing more but a plot device in both comics and movie.

@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache

2 жыл бұрын

@@INFERNO95 Unfortunate, but now we live in a world where something even worse than that can happen.

@robertnickerson8463

2 жыл бұрын

If you think, that, Batman the Killing is the worse movie, then you didn't see a picture, that I saw, but then again this is my opinion.... Batman is human, and even humans make the worse mistake... Batman and Barbara Gordon's was good, but sad he did Batgirl... I tell you the worst Batman movie, that I saw, was Batman and Robin...

@carlosg8103

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertnickerson8463 Yeah Batman is human but doing that is out of character of him

@robertnickerson8463

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosg8103 I do got to agree with you on that, but I don't know if roles were reversed and Dick Grayson and Catwoman put the moves on each other like that....

Well that’s certainly a spin on Titans saying “Fuck Batman”

@randomnerd3402

3 жыл бұрын

You got me good there

@brucesmith2143

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO I needed that

@Nasuto1702

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@thekodex1186

2 жыл бұрын

Oh god this is genius

@thisisnotachannel

2 жыл бұрын

I fucking LOVE TITANS! Can't wait for the next season!

This Film is a character Assassination of Batgirl (Barbra Gordon) Seriously she is So Bad and Terrible in this Film

@AndreNitroX

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I love her in Batman TAS but here she’s so annoying that I didn’t feel bad when she got shot

@SuperDababy2

3 жыл бұрын

Other guy took the words out of my mouth, kinda didn't care when she got shot

If the Bruce/Barbara romance was supposed to be a bad idea, just for the drama. Than why do they keep coming back to it and shoehorning it in where it doesn't belong

@ethanbell6762

3 жыл бұрын

Because it's Bruce Timm's ship.

@silverblade357

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethanbell6762 Gross.

The Batman and Batgirl relationship is really Bruce Timms fetish relationship And while I don't mean to shame the man he should really keep that to himself and leave the rest of us alone

@cannoliwavestudios2817

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@rodneylane952

3 жыл бұрын

The comic where Bruce gets her pregnant is a bane on my existence

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodneylane952 I do not consider the Batman Beyond Comics Canon to the show The new 52 / DC Rebirth comics are way Better

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodneylane952 Those Comics were written by Bruce timm

@Unknown-pq9gc

3 жыл бұрын

@@naquingreen1603 I don't won't want to think it is canon but they mentioned it in the new batman adventure and batman beyond show and Bruce Timm tried to justify his actions by saying there wasn't any romantic music playing so it must feel wrong

Seriously, it gets my goat how often writers (execs?) can't allow characters to be trusted friends or symbolic family, it always has to turn into a romance or something sexual. Barbara only shares a page with Bruce in the original graphic novel and it still manages to illustrate the strength of their relationship as practically father and daughter.

I personally believe that Bruce Timm has wanted to make this pairing forever, he even implied it in batman beyond. I think he didn't have the guts to actually make a stand-alone story and basically used the killing joke to force it in

Let me point out the problems about the Batman and Batgirl relationship that have already been pointed out 1)There is a huge age difference 2) Batman is essentially banging his best friend's daughter behind his back 3) he is banging his son's ex-girlfriend 4) The Batman Beyond 2.0 comic books did this and everyone hated it 5) Batman got Barbara pregnant 6) Telling his own son that he has been banging his girlfriend for the past year Even though they were engaged and were planning to get married 7) It makes both Barbara and Bruce look bad as characters

@miguelcastro2164

3 жыл бұрын

The age difference, I agree and this bothers me with "immortal" characters like Logan who fall in love with teenagers like Jean. Superman and lois work because they about the same age but you slowly see the repercussion of dating an "immortal".

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@miguelcastro2164 Unless the writers come up with something to make Lois Lane a permanent Kryptonian or turn her into the next Red Tornado which essentially means turning Lois into a robot so she could be with Clark forever Which one of these would sound better on paper

@miguelcastro2164

3 жыл бұрын

@@naquingreen1603 there would be no point in making her a full kryptonian because we have super girl to fill that role in the series and the robot idea sounds real cool cuz you can make her absorb brainiac and kinda do a husband/wife redemption arc.

@godfreymitti9241

3 жыл бұрын

People do that kind of thing in real life to be honest. I just hated the movie because it sucked. Just wasnt well made.

@japanrocksgousa

3 жыл бұрын

He watched her grow up. Basically raised the girl from her early teens

This movie in my opinion was Really Just Bruce Timm Writing out his fantasy of Batman & Batgirl Banging Even though every single DC fan does not like this relationship

@retrobat8997

3 жыл бұрын

So true

@FM-cp6kc

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly it could work Just not in THIS continuity

@AndreNitroX

3 жыл бұрын

Well said Bruce Tim is the only one that supports that ship

@ianjbanks3528

3 жыл бұрын

Any fans of superheroes for that matter

@solidsnake8480

2 жыл бұрын

For the record, I'm not a huge comic book fan, I have only seen the live action movies and played the Arkham games (I'm planning to watch the 90's animated series as well), I saw this movie last night, and was wondering why they hooked up in the middle of their job?, it's weird. Like correct me if I'm wrong but isn't batman the type of guy who prioritises stopping crimes over his own wellbeing and personal problems?. I just can't think of why batman would sleep with Batgirl on a rooftop while there are probably multiple crimes taking place.

"He's basically his son's ex-girlfriend!" Yes, I'm glad that point was made because that's what got under my skin. Gross!

"Where could they go wrong? How could they fail?" *gets ad*

@morty215fightclubbringyour7

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

They honestly did Batgirl so dirty. I understand to give her character more depth so when she's shot, there's more impact. But how they did that was just so weird and fragmented from the main story, it just a waste of time

@fynnthefox9078

Жыл бұрын

Even worse than in the original comic.

This sexing your mentor stuff...ya see...this is why Superman works alone.

It's poetic how what's considered one of the best batman comics translates to what's considered one of the worst batman animated movies. Seems like something the Joker himself would come up with

@AGuyNamedGray

2 жыл бұрын

I got bad news for Injustice chief…

@floydofnova2743

2 жыл бұрын

@@AGuyNamedGray We know

@ben2808

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ loves you bros

@parsashirali8957

2 жыл бұрын

@@AGuyNamedGray thats...not a batman movie

@avriel6903

2 жыл бұрын

@@AGuyNamedGray I'm still so disappointed about the injustice animated movie. That is BY FAR my favourite comic series, and they botched it 😭

The part of TKJ that WAS TKJ was okay. The problem I have is what everyone seems to: THAT PROLOGUE.

@michaelpeacock4228

3 жыл бұрын

Even the okay part I have issues with. (That fight with the "Circus Freaks" DID NOT need to happen...) But it's still a mostly good adaptation. Agreed on the prelude. Absolute garbage.

@JMFabiano

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeacock4228 And point is, the okay part is just okay. Not great not amazing. Just okay.

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpeacock4228 Didn't Batman throw one of the dwarves down a spike pit in this stupid movie? I seem to remember him killing a dwarf. I think it's funny cause he'd be like, "What? Midgets don't count as fully people." if someone asked why he murdered a dwarf when he swore not to kill.

@Facade953

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nightman221k I love it when you all act like Batman has never killed before!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

@@Facade953 I bring it up cause Batman brought it up that he doesn't kill in the same movie he threw a dwarf down a spike pit like he wasn't just about to start telling Gordon and the Joker about how he doesn't cross that line lol.

I saw it on Netflix recently, way after all the hype died down. I thought it was okay. Not great, not terrible, just okay. The Batman/Batgirl romance was lame and first 20 minutes was unnecessary, but it was still a quasi- serviceable film. But this story deserved alot better than semi-serviceable.

I loved the (non-romantic!) pairing of Batman & Batgirl on The Batman cartoon from the mid-2000s. That dynamic (amateur Batgirl trying to impress professional Batman) is actually my favorite Batman/sidekick dynamic in animation. Which is why I HATE the disgusting implications of Batman/Batgirl romantically entangled. I wholehearted agree with everything you said about that - and I hate the implication that you cannot care about someone you've never slept with. (Not to mention that it makes Batman seems shallow & petty; mad at the Joker just for breaking "his toy.")

@MILDMONSTER1234

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed 200%

@Nothingtoseehere-eo7zq

2 жыл бұрын

The idea that he would only care because of the sex is weird because Batman has reacted like that over people he had just met

@scalycoronet5198

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up with this show, so The Batman is the definitive version of the dynamics between Batman and Batgirl and Batman and Robin for me. So when I see writers try to pair them together, all I see is a defilement of the characters and a violation of the dynamic that should exist between them

I went to see this in theaters and right when Barbara and Bruce, Batman and Batgirl started to bone the entire theater groaned. Now a Batgirl origin story would have served the purpose of attaching us to the character alot better than what we got. They need a redo.

Commissioner Gordon: "The Joker violated my daughter... Who could do something like that?" Batman: "....................."

@nicolpineda8632

2 жыл бұрын

We'll. She was on the top. Just saying.

@sunnysflowercrown

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicolpineda8632 still disgusting though

@LukeLovesRose

2 жыл бұрын

@@sunnysflowercrown How old does a woman have to be before it's not disgusting??

@kwakuandspinopython1346

2 жыл бұрын

Nightwing:😠

@kwakuandspinopython1346

2 жыл бұрын

Red hood:i wish i can the kill joker Red Robin:dont Damien Wayne:IM HERE to

Allen Moore is great at expanding upon preexisting stories. The story of the Red Hood turning into the Joker, was a comic story from the 1950's.

@danielriley6111

3 жыл бұрын

I had no idea

@fynnthefox9078

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Moore was a huge fan of the older stuff. We even see a picture of the older batfamily, featuring the OG Batwoman and Batgirl. Even Bat-Mite!

The Killing Joke Movie Should have been a Slam Dunk for DC.

@mechajay3358

3 жыл бұрын

After doing an Incredible Adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, you'd think they'd handle the Killing Joke just as well, but the manged to flub that up big time.

@darkmoon8960

3 жыл бұрын

@@mechajay3358 well the first half at least

@hollyosborne3370

3 жыл бұрын

After this it's clear that they're going to shit on every DC comic.

@evanabbott2737

3 жыл бұрын

@@mechajay3358 exactly! I started watching the beginning, and I was like “is this not the killing joke??”🤔

@rosestar1324

3 жыл бұрын

@@evanabbott2737 same! My sister and I were so confused and we had to check it was the right movie

Bruce sleeping with Barbara is just awful. It's like an uncle sleeping with his brother's daughter. Or a teacher sleeping with his student it's just wrong in so many ways

When Jack Napier becomes the Joker, a city is in danger. When Bruce Wayne gets Jokerized, the entire...DC Multiverse is in danger!!!😨

Dick is more of bruce's son than damian can ever be

@AndreNitroX

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying that

@thnzxc

3 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👏

@jayvansickle7607

3 жыл бұрын

Terry: Ummm.....Right.....

@jayvansickle7607

3 жыл бұрын

@Toby Cosmo except that he's actually his son... But, I know what you mean.

@jayvansickle7607

3 жыл бұрын

@Toby Cosmo ... Which... Damian obviously is as well.... So, it's obviously not just genetics.

I remember when I saw this movie when it came out... and I think it's worse than you give it credit for. The second half should've been an adaptation, instead of just using the comic as a storyboard, because animation and comics aren't really the same. And the first half? That's just one of the worst things the animated DC movies has ever done. In general.

@AnalyticalMenace

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that. But the first half feels like we're watching an entirely different movie. It may as well have been released as its own fanfiction video via KZread.

@silverblade357

2 жыл бұрын

Why not just throw 3 or 4 of the best single issue stories together, concluding with the Killing Joke? They could've recreated Heart of Ice or covered Batgirl's first appearance without ruining her whole character.

I wouldn’t blame mark for the lacklustre performance, I think I would the director. As you said mark is THE JOKER so it doesn’t add up when he isn’t at his usual level of quality

9:07 are we gonna go over the fact that Batman just went into some random Starbucks and bought a cup of coffee

@seans3250

3 жыл бұрын

He got drive thru..

@djpegao

3 жыл бұрын

He actually did that in one episode of the Justice League cartoon.

@AnalyticalMenace

3 жыл бұрын

@@djpegao Yup. Paid in cash, too. Nice touch.

There is no chemistry between Batgirl and Batman. Not according to Bruce Timm and Batman Beyond episode 12. Barbara: Dick finally got fed up living in Batman's shadow. He decided to leave. He was hurt when I chose to stay behind with Bruce. Terry: As his partner? Barbara: *Grin widens* Terry: His girlfriend. Barbara: *Grin widens further* Terry: Whoa! My reaction to this was 🤮.

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@Shinkai Atusya What's even worse is the Batman Beyond 2.0 comic books which were written by Bruce timm basically confirm that Bruce got Barbara pregnant while she was engaged and was supposed to marry Dick Grayson his own son and in a very out of character move Bruce basically tells him about his relationship with Barbara Grayson rightfully gets upset beats him and leaves Also Barbara ends up losing her child This is the most messed-up stuff I have ever read from DC

@dancorneanu9144

3 жыл бұрын

@@naquingreen1603 Sometimes I feel they hate Dick. You know pile in the shit. Can't have him be that one son of Bruce who is actually succesfull. Moving forward and learning everything from Batman. Becoming a legacy thing.

19:25 Maybe Hamill realized how bad the movie was too and phoned it in?

@partyelixir1265

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe? Because mark IS THE VOICE OF THE JOKER every time I read something said by the joker I always hear Hamil.

The part explaining that Batman and Batgirl should not be together because of her relation to Gordon and Dick? Best part of the video BY FAR!

It feels weird watching batman the animated series, after seeing the Killing Joke movie! The worst batman movie is still batman and robin! 😂

@2to3whiteguys

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed but this is still bad

@thefriend1633

2 жыл бұрын

Batman and Robin is super "cool".

@pepsimaninc.8813

2 жыл бұрын

Ice to meet ya

@partyelixir1265

2 жыл бұрын

The killing joke isn't in the BTAS timeline because in Batman beyond Barb can still stand

@theoutsiderjess4869

2 жыл бұрын

Hell no I watched the entirety of Batman and Robin movie while it was hilariously bad at least it didnt make me want to bleach my brain like the killing joke

I feel like the director just didn’t give Mark Hamill correct direction on inflections he needed during the scenes, especially since in other things around the same time (Arkham Knight especially) he did amazingly in

@fynnthefox9078

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what's with him liking a Joker that hardly laughs or smiles? He's THE JOKER!

Kevin Conroy also laughed as Batman in the episode, “Mad Love.” And it was as creepy in that episode as it was in The Killing Joke.

@fynnthefox9078

Жыл бұрын

And that's not the only similarity that episode has to The Killing Joke. The Joker's backstory he tells Harley. Going back to the unreliable narrator.

Mark Hamill was too depressed after the Last Jedi lol.

@ebaugh7320

2 жыл бұрын

He possibly didn't want to do another movie

I wish they had just flushed out the actual stories, instead of the crappy Batgirl pre story...

Well let's be honest. They handed this story to a guy that had a hard on to see Bruce and Barbara hook up and completely disregard the on again off again dynamic Dick and Babs have constantly in the comics. They are in love with each other but just not ready to commit. Bruce Wayne is in a romantic relationship with Barbara just like Tim Drake is a romantic relationship with her if you play Arkham Knight. They both dropped the ball on that character. Whose next on her list Alfred?

@houseoftheram

3 жыл бұрын

Based on recent comics, it might be Jason Todd.

@aRJayXtreme

3 жыл бұрын

@@houseoftheram that storyline with Jason Todd is the three jokers storyline comics that hasn't been confirmed be part of the actually continuity and actually the recent events that are going on now have Dick and Babs get unofficially married and when Nightwing 78 comes out Nightwing and Batgirl will be working together in Bludhaven. If three jokers were to count it would be a fling that meant nothing in the end.

The Bruce X Barbara relationship is unfortunately not only in this movie, but in DCAU as well. Both by Bruce Timm. Their relationship was shown in Batman Beyond and in the animated Batwoman movie.

Kevin Conroy also laughed in the animated series.

@AndreNitroX

3 жыл бұрын

In episode Mad love

That Death on the family idea had me almost drowning in my own tears. Liked and already subscribed

The use of "Dude" and "Come on" in this video made me so happy.

The most disappointing thing about this movie, beside the sadly cheap animation making no justice to Bolland's work, is that "the Killing joke" is supposed to have a slow pacing, lots of panels have no dialogue, the art lets you think or imagining what goes through the minds of the characters, you feel their decent to madness there are spaces between the long monologues. In the movie it just goes straight and fast, no time, no pacing, no mood setting, the comedians, no matter how great they usually are, are directed to spill their lines out by the minute. If the movie just took its time like it was supposed to, it could have worked on a deeper level, and spare us the useless 30 minutes prequel filler. They also failed the ending while it could've been just simple and efficient to have the character's laughter disappear in the police sirens like in the comic. It really feels like they failed that on purpose.

@antoinedesgagnes9969

3 ай бұрын

This! They turned a psychological thriller into an action story. Such scenes as the roller-coaster or the mirror house are nearly hallucinatory in the book. As you said, there's a lot of panels with no dialogue, but they're always talking in this movie because of this fast-pacing non-sense.

Also its like The Joker said "If im gonna have a past, i prefer multiple choice"

How ironic that, in trying to “dares” the complaints about how Barbara was used in the original comic, then somehow made it SO MUCH WORSE!!

even without the prologue it was pretty Mediocre. the voice acting was phoned in and the animation was uninspired

I love the warning at the start. “If you are a children, then piss off” absolutely priceless

9:21 This film's Barbara was basically Harley Quinn in a Batsuit.

@partyelixir1265

2 жыл бұрын

Does that mean batman was her joker?

I remember me and my friends being beyond hyped for this movie. We set a day to watch it altogether. That first half hour literally tainted the rest of it for all of us.

8:34 - 15:58 This whole part alone pretty much convinces me that we need a Batgirl movie or TV show --- and a really good one at that!

Dude thank you for this. The Batgirl degradation really gave me the gut punch of all gut punches. Batman had issues in JLU with dating with in the team as he said with Wonder Woman. Barbara was a kid and one on his kids. I found putting the sex in the relationship was just the creators putting it in as a cheap fantasy segment for a failed society. Batman should have been made to stick to high standards which holds true to his principles and holding it with the discipline he has exibited throughout his career. I did not notice the animation, voice work and other stuff you had mentioned in this video since that uneeded sexual romp. It was like eating the most beautiful meal and discovering midway someone's middle finger in it then having to wait for the powers that be coming over to buy you off with a coupon.

Come on man, haven't you heard Kevin Conroy laugh in Mad Love?

10:00 You day the batgirl X Batman isn’t an issue and you go and give a analysis on why it’s disturbing. Great job I have never been able to perfectly describe my disgust with this ship, but you did it. Only Bruce Tim supports this ship and it’s about time he knows it.

13:06 And Bruce sees Jim Gordon as like a father to him much like he sees Alfred as a father. So having sex with Jim's daughter is awkward. Barbara sees Bruce as a father figure as well and is usually with Dick Grayson.

They could've done anything to add with the story with the power of animation, and instead they chose to do nothing. That first half did nothing except steal away the budget. But more than that, I don't think they got it. The moment I realized this was during the famous "Why aren't you laughing scene". I get everyone interprets things a different way, but in the comic, Joker clearly looks sad when he says the line. It's because the guy he used to be is slipping out. Instead, they have Mark Hamill strain his vocal chords by yelling the dang line. Poor guy is old! Doesn't help that the script writer is Brian Azzarrello, whose writing DOES NOT mesh well with Moore's, and who approved the "must be that time of the month line". That was ALL Brian.

I would say Mark Hamill's performance is due to the voice direction, but I assume the voice director is still Andrea Romano, who worked on the entire DCAU.

@backinthe90siwasinaveryfam65

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

I have to say. right alongside this monstrosity is the adaptation they did for "Hush". I'll never be able to excuse that one, either.

@VI_V2

3 жыл бұрын

That’s definitely one to cover on this channel as well

@anonymousgoblin792

3 жыл бұрын

I respect your opinion but this isn’t nearly as bad you guys are saying it is. Yeah it’s bad but they are definitely not the worst.

I just found your channel and watched a few videos, as for the art style I really feel like DC wanted to make in the timmverse style but didn't want to go all the way, several elements remind me of the timmverse in this from batgirl's batsuit, joker's clothes, the direct reference to the laughing fish... but they couldn't because of how dark it was so they tried to alter it and make it more adult which... made it look awkward...

The Killing Joke movie, minus the beginning, was faithful to the source material.

It is odd indeed Hamil played the Joker more or less seemingly Dialed down.

I saw the theatrical screening of this. Never walked out of a movie in my life, but I came reeeeaaaalll close with Killing Joke. As a fan for decades, who'd been dreaming of an animated adaptation by Timm, Conroy, and Hamill for years, I couldn't have been more disappointed.

Vee, I already like your channel, but getting OLC on your channel makes you a god

@OwenLikesComics

3 жыл бұрын

I second this.

@BlankxxPage

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was mostly faithful excluding the Batgirl short, but it looked awful and the performances weird so weird. I remember a fan edit that showed the art depicted just like Bolland's artwork. Just that alone would have made it better.

It’s kinda insinuating that Bruce wouldn’t care about batgirl unless he was in bed with her. I always saw them as more of a father daughter relationship so it’s so weird like this.

The groomer joke was thumbs way up!

Hmm... I'll have to rewatch the Killing Joke to listen to Hamill's Joker performance.

The points you made about Bats screwing Batgirl were on point. It made no sense to me, not to mention seemed WAY creepier with Batman being...Batman.

I remember seeing this on Blu-Ray at my sister's house, when I went for a weeks visit. My brother in law had it, and after everyone went to bed, I put it on to watch. I kept thinking to myself, "why is this beginning about Batgirl? What's wrong with her btw? She's acting sketchy, who wrote this $#!T?!" Then the sex scene happened, and I sat in shock during the whole transition for the ACTUAL adaptation that followed. Now, I'm gonna admit that ever since I was a kid watching the 60's Batman show, I had a THING for BATGIRL. I go coo-KOO for redheads, but all through the years, I ALWAYS had the same, non-changing thing for Batgirl. Now having said that, I still go "YUCK!" at the idea of Batman tentpoleing Batgirl. I'm not one of these Hentai idiots that enjoys seeing an illustrated masked Batman completely naked, pounding on Batgirl, either. I've seen stuff on the internet like that, and it doesn't do anything for me. I think it really IS the idea, that the integrity of either character just wouldn't lead down that road. While Batgirl might express a young girl infatuation with a take-charge kind of guy like Bruce/Batman, he would easily in my mind, have a falling out with Barabara/Batgirl over it, if need be. It would be on the same integrity level as Bruce having his falling out with Dick over differences of perspective. It's THAT important. Yeah, Mark Hamill must've been told to tone it down a bit, because it didn't feel like a Mark Hamill Joker performance. And the animation was crap most of the time. I agree that since they didn't knock it outta the park, that it SUCKED. This story DESERVED to be a HIT. An average adaptation just won't do.

I bought the regular copy that costs like 20 bucks. Art was great, with re-coloring by Brian Bolland. But I had to splurge on the super expensive version, to see the ORIGINAL art. Also very good. More haunting, tbh. More psychedelic. A great story, all around.

Barbara: Does DC hate me? What did I do? Jason: Try dying. Barbara: at least fans like you. Nobody says YOU betrayed your best friend Jason: same fans who killed me . You’ll live. Probably Barbara: probably?! Jason: if fans get a chance...

@randallflagg3700

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know, lots of fans were pissed off because "3 Jokers" brought back the Barbara/Jason romance back from the New52 RHATO... "Jason is such a whiny beta cuck in this book" Aside from some people feeling like between the Arkham games where she ends up with Tim Drake, the DCAU & Killing Joke movie where she fucks with Batman, most continuities where she bangs Dick Grayson, the New52/Rebirth comics where she's banging Batwing/Luke Fox... Well, it might be best if Babs stopped getting passed around by the Batfam, before she ends up trying her luck with poor Damian. It really is too bad that they didn't keep Penguin's bastard son, Ethan "Blacksun" Cobblepot, as her nemesis/love interest. I thought he had lots of potential; Plus Babs is really lacking in term of her own rogue gallery, so that would have been a 1 stone 2 birds kind of deal. (I don't hate Jason Bard as much as most fans as her love interest, but after what he did to her father it's indeed pretty awkward)

@cannoliwavestudios2817

3 жыл бұрын

@@randallflagg3700 I didn’t know she’s been with that many people! I’d be fine if she was single. If she’s with Damian ever I will lose hope in DC 😭

I have to say, when I bought the DVD and watched it later that day, I was very disappointed with the adaptation. Two years later, I bought the graphic novel from Waterstones (a bookshop chain we have in the UK) and I read through the whole thing cover to cover on an aeroplane flight to Italy. It's a masterpiece, the movie just sucked.

The "ahh dude" shit cracked me up🤣🤣

After the Harley Quinn tv show I will never look a gim Gordon again....

@tgzzz1

3 жыл бұрын

Ahem elaborate

In my opinion I really wish we could have gotten a Batgirl year one animated film instead of this this film does not portray the character in a good light In fact this is the worst depiction of Batgirl in animated media

@Nightman221k

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely the worst. She comes off pathetic in this movie. If TKJ were going to add a loosely connected story to make it feature length there are SO MANY more fitting stories to tell. Like something about the Joker, or adapt a decent Batgirl storyline that follows the TKJ segment with her becoming Oracle, rather than her fixation on Batman being all that characterizes her.

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nightman221k I agree a story involving her becoming Oracle would have been way better

@randallflagg3700

3 жыл бұрын

@@naquingreen1603 - I'd kill for a good *Batgirl: Year One* adaptation... I'm a massive Killer Moth & Firefly fanboy, and with this book being the definitive Killer Moth storyline... it would be a great opportunity to have Drury Walker become more popular with casuals ^_^ The only problem is that I'm not sure that one movie would be enough to adapt the 9 issues; we might have to make this a 2-parter, like the upcoming "Batman: The Long Halloween" (and the excellent "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns", an extremely competent adaptation).

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@randallflagg3700 Agreed a Batgirl year one two-part adaptation would be amazing

Batman shoves Batgirl back on her ass like, "First. Don't ever do that again! Second. Are you trying to provoke a certain possessive Amazon princess?"

Glad I passed on watching this film.

Gonna be honest, thought you were like a 17 to 20 year old kid with your voice till i saw what you actually look like. Love your videos. Keep it up

Looking more like Wooly Willy with each episode.

In terms of age difference, my dad had an anecdote related to that. On his first Navy tour as an officer and his crew would go on shore leave, his CO would tell the younger men going to bars that "the minimum number is half your age plus seven years". And yes, I'm really not a fan of age differences like Batman and Batgirl, but what I hate even more is the concept of a mentor-student relationship. If that starts, no matter what, those two will never be equals in the relationship. At square one, there is already a huge imbalance in experience and influence. (That's one of the reasons I could never stand playing Jedi in SWTOR. The female love interest is your apprentice.)

A great comic made into a bad movie What a shame

From the title, I almost expected Batman and Robin. I do agree however that this just might be worse in many aspects.

@FM-cp6kc

3 жыл бұрын

At least in Batman and Robin, there were segments that reached So Bad It's Good status. But here, segments reach So Bad It's Horrible

Batgirl’s ass shots!

I liked, I subscribed, and my pizza still wasn't here within a half hour. I'm not paying, tell the delivery guy his tip is: "Wash Your Car!"

I saw this movie in theaters with a friend of mine and when the scene of Barbara and Bruce doing it happened, we both turned and looked at one another with pure, open-mouthed shock.

Just skip the prologue and it’s a solid adaptation of the Killing Joke.

@josephlizandro1884

3 жыл бұрын

Yep exactly

@puffpuffpassmako

3 жыл бұрын

It still isn't great. Its almost word for word ripped from the book and Joker's "why aren't you laughing" monologue is botched terribly. Tbh I just don't think this story works as a movie.

@josephlizandro1884

3 жыл бұрын

@@puffpuffpassmako great stuff still

@BAEN1834

3 жыл бұрын

Should have just cut it out and made it a short film

@BAEN1834

3 жыл бұрын

@Hudson Prince_of_Crime yeah it’s pretty good if you ignore that

Hamill and Conroy did really great but Barbara with Bruce is too close to incest for me as he's very much a father figure to her. That was even worse than when Talia raped Batman and thus was the conception of Damian not to mention Raj is very much a father figure to Bruce/Batman

15:00 “Make it more impactful when she gets shot” “WHAT!!!”

Let's be honest, if the Batgirl prologue was completely cut, and it was billed as a more adult oriented, extended lost episode of the Animated Series, the film would've been significantly better. Maybe not great, but still better.

I have a question does anyone even like Batgirl and Batman together in a relationship

@benedictentwistle3261

3 жыл бұрын

No

@cannoliwavestudios2817

3 жыл бұрын

Nah

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@benedictentwistle3261 thank you no one in their right mind likes this relationship

@GENUINEKAI

3 жыл бұрын

No not at all. Prefer the bat, with the... seline kyle .

@naquingreen1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@GENUINEKAI Agreed Batman and Catwoman forever

I like the movie, love it when it gets to the killing joke part. But the first half with Batgirl wasn't great. They could have focused on Barbara in a different way if they wanted to focus on her before joker shoots her.

Honestly, I feel like Mark Hamill's Joker doesn't fit this version of Joker because his Joker is more wild and zany. There's more stretch and bend to the way he plays him. But this Joker is very serious and more...."real." He's not as cartoony in his mannerisms, looks or actions. So they're a mismatch of styles.

I think Mr. Hamill played the Joker differently based on his interpretation of the comic and to differentiate this Joker from the Dini-verse version. Wasn’t a problem for me. The Bruce-Barbara one night stand, on the other hand…

When we going to see that vee on bee action?

Best Batman relationships That Are Actually Good (and NOT GROSS) Batman X Wonder Woman Batman X Zatanna Batman X Black Canary Batman X Catwoman Batman X Harley Quinn (as a HERO) Batman X Poison ivy Batman X Taila al Ghul (when she is written well and in character) Batman X cheetah Batman X Supergirl (Superman/batman apocalypse)

@goobington134

2 жыл бұрын

So everyone but batgirl

@soulkingabstr4kt887

2 жыл бұрын

@@goobington134 yes

@StraightEdgeKnight19

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly Batman and Catwoman are the only one from your list that make sense to me, most of the relationships from your list don’t last long at all, especially poison ivy, Harley Quinn, cheetah, and zatanna. He also never had a romance with supergirl. The only reason people ship Batman and Wonder Woman is just because of nostalgia from the justice league show.

@soulkingabstr4kt887

2 жыл бұрын

@@StraightEdgeKnight19 agreed

@themandals7273

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't Black Canary already in a relationship?

The reason Joker shot Barb was clearly because she was taking batman

The first act could be so much better if they told the story of how Batman put Joker in Arkham before TKJ. Batgirl is with him, the confrontation gets violent, Bartgirl almost dies and Batman almost kills the Joker before stopping himself. Joker realizes he is close to breaking Batman and plans TKJ. And although Barbara doesn't want to stop being Batgirl, Bruce tells her he doesn't want to put her in more danger. Joker ends in Arkham, Barbara spends a time depressed but eventually accepts it, and Batman starts reflecting about his relationship with Joker and how they're going to eventually kill each other.