Hey loves, here's a list of domestic abuse helplines in case any of you need them (and I'm praying you don't) - please talk about your situation, there IS a way out, even if it doesn't feel possible - you can do this!! Please only reply to this comment if you have any more helplines/websites - we can chat in the comments in general, just not here so it's easier for anyone trying to navigate! UK - 0808 2000 247 helpline@womensaid.org.uk or www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/gender-violence/domestic-violence-and-abuse-getting-help/ Ireland - 1800 341 900 www.safeireland.ie/ USA - 1-800-799-7233 www.thehotline.org/ Australia - 1800 737 732 www.1800respect.org.au/ New Zealand - womensrefuge.org.nz/contact-us/find-your-local-refuge/ (numbers on this link I believe) Canada (Ontario) - 416.863.0511 www.awhl.org/home South Africa - *134*7355# www.tears.co.za/ Like I said, please add any more to the comments that you know of & please keep the comments on this topic! Sending my love to every single one of you, you CAN do this - it won't be like this forever, taking the first step is scary but you're strong, I know it! Eleanor x

@glauvie

3 жыл бұрын

Your local pastor or priest should be trained to help as well. Sometimes it arouses less suspicion when you just need to stop by the church or parsonage for a bit. You can use any pretense-you want to donate something, etc.

@mimiluvulongtime

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s good 👍🏾

@dannilou7855

3 жыл бұрын

@@abigailheaton4466 I wanted to sign but it said I couldn't, I'm so sorry 🥺 I'm sending my love and prayers

@ashleighswan7922

3 жыл бұрын

@@abigailheaton4466 please please repost this in the comments, it might gain better traction in the comments than under this pinned comment. I have went on and signed. Thinking of you and your family xxx

@insideatheart

3 жыл бұрын

@@abigailheaton4466 i can't sign because i'm from chile but i wish you the best, as another person said, you should post this in the comment section so it can get more attention!

“She met a man” Oh no.

@milkyoiz

2 жыл бұрын

literally a big red flag. A MAN

@lastminutewonder9602

2 жыл бұрын

Not all men just some

@soundskindagay2709

2 жыл бұрын

@@lastminutewonder9602 not some. Enough.

@publius7682

2 жыл бұрын

@@soundskindagay2709 woah that’s a good response

@jordanrayne4779

2 жыл бұрын

@@lastminutewonder9602 Wow really i thought they meant every single man

“Drop the charges!” “No.” *immediately commits a worse crime that can easily be traced to him*

@lauratapia7205

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! Like I don’t understand how his stupid logic made sense to him, everyone knew him as well as an abuser like he really had no thought process to anything

@jehxjdjdbabhens2809

2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@lucyverse4908

2 жыл бұрын

That seems to be common logic amongst many murderers/abusers. There have been cases where killers have outright bragged about their crimes to their friends. They’re so arrogant and narcissistic, they think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. Truly vile.

@astrocytes

Жыл бұрын

@@lucyverse4908 to be fair if one of my friends bragged about a murder, I would be conflicted if going to the cops would keep ME from getting killed next. What if the cops don't find enough and he's back home next week 😐

@efe8085

Жыл бұрын

What an idiot.

When I heard the part where he got out on bail it made me FURIOUS. That judge is responsible for her death. Absolutely despicable.

@lana.pat1308

Жыл бұрын

I am so angry at that. She was so close to finally escaping him!

@romeowandrainbow1040

5 ай бұрын

I was so angry too. Maybe the judge was a woman hater too, makes no sense

Unfortunately, Jane was the only one who could testify against her own rape and while that’s terribly awful, it shouldn’t matter as he should already be serving the rest of his pathetic life in prison. 30 years is not enough, he’s shown he has no remorse for what he’s done, he had zero respect for women, and is a danger to society as a whole and should rot in a cell by himself.

@outlaw615

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion rapists should get sentenced to death

@asmrtpop2676

2 жыл бұрын

@@outlaw615 Absolutely not. The Central Park Five. Look it up. I am against the death penalty forever after I learned about people who were found post-death to be innocent.

@outlaw615

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously? Wow I didn't know that actually

@IdkIdk-hm6vf

2 жыл бұрын

@@asmrtpop2676 we’re talking about actual rapists tho not innocent people

@armoredanteater609

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly rather than the death sentence, a life in prison should be where the sentences stop. Not even just in case of innocence, but also because death is a hell of an easier way out

I absolutely love that Eleanor say “her baby” not “their baby” or “his baby.”

@acaciamuhs9468

3 жыл бұрын

And I read all that in her voice lol

@rebekahgaskill9360

3 жыл бұрын

@@acaciamuhs9468 her bebeh

@rebekahgaskill9360

3 жыл бұрын

@@acaciamuhs9468 i love her accent especially when she says baby

@acaciamuhs9468

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebekahgaskill9360 😭😭

@livingalaska2269

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

I will never understand people like this. He didn’t want to go to prison for rape, so he stabbed Jane and will go to prison for rape AND murder instead? Like what???

@swilson5320

3 жыл бұрын

I imagine it's about his power dynamic. He wanted to take back power and I think he felt his life was over and was explosive with thoughts of revenge

@brittttttt8125

3 жыл бұрын

I was about to comment the same thing. There is no reasoning. Edit: I feel like they just can't stand to be beaten.

@paolacervoni367

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly it's about power. If he went to prison for rape, she'd "have power over him", but by murdering her he goes to prison thinking he had power over her. Rest in Peace, she seemed so brave. My heart goes out for her daughter. :(

@catT5236

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the charges for rape were actually dropped so he went to prison only for murder. He SHOULD have been in prison for both, especially if he ever gets released (which hopefully he won't).

@kkr341

3 жыл бұрын

I guess he just didn’t want her to have a better life than him as he just wanted power and control over her, so killing her was the last thing he could do to show how he is still more powerful. He didn’t really care about his own life he just wanted her to know she was below him still

Side note: Always play dead! I hope none of you ever find yourself in this position, but if you're still alive after an attack, and it's plausible of course, play dead. So many people have survived because they did that and the perp left.

@susannahjones6410

2 жыл бұрын

Doesnt sound like it would have worked in Janes case. She needed to buy a gun.

@dorindadouglas2847

2 жыл бұрын

@Susannah Jones She did need a gun, but he was leaving and she started crawling for help and he heard her and went back and finished her off.

@ebony-blythenewns9513

2 жыл бұрын

@@susannahjones6410regular english ppl cant have guns or carry weapons . we arent even allowed mace , self defence would have to have been done with her bare hands or a nearby object:/

@jewelhughes8960

2 жыл бұрын

@@susannahjones6410 well he didn’t go back at her until he realized she was still alive. Of course we will never know, but I think it’s a high possibility if she played dead he would have left.

@Sleepparalysisdemon2

2 жыл бұрын

You can't say *always play dead* each situation is different, ..many times they will continue the attack, more ferociously , that's not the best advice. You gotta go with your gut.

I married my “Johnathan.” Everything Jane went through I went through. I was able to escape and get back to my support and safety. We have a child and he did in fact physically abuse her too at 2 weeks old! My heart feels for Jane. Anybody in this kind of situation, never think he won’t hurt your child too, they do. They use you up until you have nothing left. You’re their property and so is any children you have with them. They’re in humane and once they lose control of you everything gets worse. Tell somebody you need help and get you and your kids as far away as possible! Get the police involved. Learn how to protect yourself. And never go back 😓💜 Stay safe ladies!

@CutiePieSally__

2 жыл бұрын

Im so happy you are here today

@emilialindroth6230

2 жыл бұрын

So happy you got out❤️

@nadinewilliams6465

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you got out. Only the best for you and your child! May the New Year bring you health and happiness.

@navreetkaursidhu5042

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you got yourself and your baby out of that situation sweety but it's really scary women sharing their domestic abuse stories, there are so many of them in these comments. It just breaks my heart how we as women, have to be scared for ourselves even in our own homes at times. I'm sorry you had to go through it.

@renee1961

2 жыл бұрын

💐💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏🙏

It's scary how many people have a gut feeling that something is going to happen to them and then it really does happen...

@ellahobson1701

3 жыл бұрын

Or you’re only told the times something has happened and not the times something hasn’t. I always get tricked by that

@seregarublev8915

3 жыл бұрын

I always get a gut feeling I'm about to shit my pants and every time it comes true 😿😿😿😿 the pain of being Bosnian 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@NyxMareux

3 жыл бұрын

It's always best to listen to your intuition.

@janrees4887

3 жыл бұрын

Well, it's not just a vague feeling of foreboding. She knew him and knew what he was capable of. It's not exactly fortune telling, it's more like being realistic about someone's character and intent.

@megami.x

3 жыл бұрын

I was confused why she was simultaneously expressing a deep fear but also letting her guard down at the same time. Having been in a domestic abuse situation I will not judge or assess the situation but I just thought it was interesting(?) since she had seemingly already moved on from him... Unfortunately your brain can try to convince you that your intuition is an overreaction and I assume that’s probably what happened here. People out there, if you feel fear like this woman expressed, then keep doing whatever you can to protect yourself even if people are telling you that you’re being silly or you’re acting crazy or overreacting or WHATEVER they might say. Please 💜

I worked at Blackpool Victorial Hospital at the time & remember this happening. Although I didnt know Jane personally, the shock & despair I & my colleagues felt is irmeasurable. Walking through the hospital corridors you could feel the pain weighing heavy on everyone. I believe it was a member of the public going back to their car, that found Jane & I dread to think how they felt. Little did I know, a few years later, after finding myself trying to flee an extremely similar situation, the new measures put in place by the hospital because of Jane's murder, would actually help me. I had security guards escourt me to & from my car & my dept door. I was provided with a personal silent alarm which alerted a 24hr security company of my location & sent a 30 second recording of what was happening. I was offered councilling & was forwarded on to Fylde Coast Women's Aid. I'll be forever grateful to Jane's parents for campaigning so hard. Jane will be forever remembered in my heart

@Liz-eb5de

2 жыл бұрын

Wow this is amazing and everywhere should invest in this. I live in the US and have never heard of anything like this.

@navreetkaursidhu5042

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so so glad you got all that protection and you could get yourself out of that situation.

@Shan-lp2iu

2 жыл бұрын

I think her family would be so happy knowing Janes tradgedy helped save another woman. i hope you have a good life

@amrimonroe429

2 жыл бұрын

It's heartbreaking that this happened but glad the hospital has measures in place now Everywhere should . Domestic is serious and should be taken seriously when reported or noticed. No matter how many times they are manipulated to go back.

@velmadickerson8563

2 жыл бұрын

@@amrimonroe429 0 great job

similar thing happened in italy last year. a woman was abused in her home, she called police several times but they did nothing. it got so bad that she bought her own coffin and prepared her own funeral. she was murdered shortly after

@anonymoustoes

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus that’s awful :( do you know the name of this woman? It’s something I’d be interested to read more about.

@lettenlina1708

2 жыл бұрын

damn that's heavy...

@mamejoe2043

2 жыл бұрын

That so heartbreaking

@sassysarina9718

2 жыл бұрын

Whoa....

@Dreamtime-Walker

2 жыл бұрын

Please Can You Tell Us Her Name? Thanks. 🔎

Domestic violence survivor here.. I just want to say there is always a way out(even though it may not seem like it). It took me 6 years and a police officer telling me he didn’t want to see another young woman murdered to fully leave. I had two small children at the time too, but when I started running I couldn’t stop. Even though I had been battered, ripped away from my family, my friends I still held on to hope. In leaving my abuser, even though I had two children with him, I found love and happiness in someone else I would eventually marry in 2017. It’s been 4 and half years of nothing but happiness with my husband, and my two children and we even added a child together in 2018. Thank you Eleanor for this case and bringing awareness. 💜

@lenard765

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear you got away safely. So many others aren't so lucky.. They literally die trying 😥

@renee1961

2 жыл бұрын

💐💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏🙏

@angelabaird7135

2 жыл бұрын

💕❤️💕♥️💙🌸🌺🌹💐🌻

@lilysanderson9150

2 жыл бұрын

So happy you got out okay, wishing you and your family the best 💛💛💛💛

@lavanyakarn2163

2 жыл бұрын

lots of love and strength to u and ur loved ones 🌺

Notice to all women: when your 'boyfriend' tells you he is married, chuck him out. Finish it, end it instantly. And for good measure tell his wife so she can decide if she wants to ditch him as well - she should. Don't listen to any stories about the marriage is failing, he is unhappy, she doesn't understand me, I am only staying in it for the kids, I will be divorced soon etc. etc. Do not accept any excuses, none, finish it instantly because only one of two things will happen; he wont' ever leave her and just string you along. Or the guy who commits adultery with you will eventually commit adultery on you.

@Ddalgiichigo

3 жыл бұрын

Fr as soon as I heard that I started rolling my eyes it’s the oldest lie in the book it’s such bs …men ain’t shit

@r.l.bookreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@itsqueencleopatra

3 жыл бұрын

If the wife doesn’t order the husband to kill you and the husband isn’t dumb enough to do it. I’ve watch too many true crimes where telling the wife only gets her so blinded by rage that both the husband and wife get together to kill the mistress. It’s a sad world really.

@KE-hr4sb

3 жыл бұрын

This! Happened to me. First he sent me a mistell meant for someone else saying "No, my wife doesn't play, but my girlfriend (my name) does." Um, yeah, he'd neglected to mention he was married. When I busted him for it, out came the water works: "She's cheated, I'm not even sure if any of my kids are mine, and I'm trying to divorce her but she's making it difficult threatening to take my son from me and I can't lose my son, I love him so much." Few months later? His brother spilled the beans that the wife was pregnant again. There was no divorce (at that time), it was all a ruse to try to have his cake and eat it too. I ran into him years later. He had JUST finalized his divorce (I think she finally had enough too)...and was dating a married woman. Scum never changes, and the lies are always the same.

@antoniasibel9091

3 жыл бұрын

derek shepherd

Say it with me girls: "HAVING A BABY WITH YOUR ABUSER DOESN'T STOP THE ABUSE, IT'S JUST EITHER WORSE OR DIRECTED AT THE BABY"

@isabelleclarke2871

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! There are so many cases where the abuse escalates because the abuser is jealous of the baby.

@ElleriaZer

3 жыл бұрын

It's also a tool to tie you to your abuser so you can never escape.

@ItsSissyLala

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElleriaZer if someone is reading this in the situation to them I say YOU ARE NOT TRAPPED. Take your baby and run! go to the police. Make a report. This is one of the cases where the system failed, this does not always happen. I know people that have gone through the system and their abuser is in prison. Your baby is not at fault, you are not at fault. You are stronger than you think. Do not let your abuser make you look at your child as a death sentence. Your baby is not a tool, it is YOUR BABY. Get help mama. For you and your baby

@ElleriaZer

3 жыл бұрын

@@ItsSissyLala a lot of states in the US, including mine, give visitation rights to abusers and rapists if they're not convicted of a crime yet. Edit for weird autocorrect error

@monetmonroe4644

2 жыл бұрын

Right I was immediately scared for the baby when he raped her at 7 months because he don’t give a fuck periodt

“He would tell little white lies” YES OMFG. People often miss this part of narcissists, it’s one of the BIGGEST signs before the ab_se gets worse. I was friends with a narcissist and she would lie about everything. Every. Little. Thing. Just random things that didn’t matter. She would often contradict herself too! One minute she was rich and she use to live in a house with a movie theatre, the next minute she was dirt poor and her mom never helped her finically. These people just can’t help themselves, their mouths open before they even have time to think. Please, if you feel you’re in an unsafe relationship listen to your intuition/gut feeling and check for little red flags like this. Every red flag, no matter how tiny, matters. You are not crazy! You’re noticing signs for a reason!

As a rape survivor who went to the police, I was never told about my option to use Jane’s Law. It’s an amazing law but I never knew about it 😔

@heididietrich9800

2 жыл бұрын

Emma, I am so sorry. I'm so glad you survived.

@sriyamadhuri9145

Жыл бұрын

More power to you Emma

@femalevoice_

Жыл бұрын

same but I am not sure we have it here. I need dozens of r-es to finally have the courage and go there. It was not worth it, I was asked what did I wear and so on..

I love how we always tell women that they should protect themselves, be vigilant walking home alone etc, but maybe a better solution would be for judges not to bail or parole rapists and domestic abusers? I love the idea of the domestic abusers list - these people rarely change, and usually go on abusing their next partners and kids.

@LAURA---

2 жыл бұрын

People always put the responsibility on the potential victims and not on the abusers. Our society is fucked up that way.

@Juauka

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, an in a way, preaching safety measures instead of pushing for better education on these subjects and tighter guidelines on who gets parole and who doesn’t really sounds like ‘make sure he rapes/murders the other person instead’ when it should be ‘make sure he doesn’t rape/murder anyone at all’

@jamesparsons9068

2 жыл бұрын

It is worth playing devil's advocate here; bail is an intrinsic right and part of the long-established tradition that you are innocent until proven otherwise. If not applied corrupt governments can, and do, trump up endless charges to keep someone in prison. There are exceptional cases where it leads to tragedy but remember in this case no evidence was offered of his violent past, had it been the law allows for him to be kept in. No legal system is perfect, nor can it be made so. The maxim 'good cases make bad laws' applies, using individual tragic cases to shape laws for everyone and all instances is dangerous to all our rights. Parole exists to keep order in the prisons; as strange as it sounds unless the prison authorities have something to dangle at most people they often misbehave and prisons become unmanageable. Most times it works and prisoners work to try to reform, behave and get educated to get parole. Again, tragic exceptions occur. It's easy to forget amongst all the headlines that crime has fallen substantially but in the end we all need to take sensible precautions. I don't walk in certain areas as I fear the consequences late at night, I shouldn't have to but overall the streets are safe. But we cannot make them risk-free. The police and criminal justice system are always working to protect society more. Some states/countries now allow for prosecution of domestic abusers without the victim's consent and men (mostly lets be honest) are taken to the cells for the night to begin with to allow the woman to leave or change the locks. This stops -as happens endlessly - the woman pulling the charges or not showing up. A huge percentage of cases fail because of this. New innovative double-restraining orders are being trialled, this is where the woman is precluded from going near the man when she obtains a restraining order preventing him coming near her. This stops him getting the opportunity to give the 'I have changed' speech and try to convince her to drop charges etc because she cannot legally go near him. All in all we are moving forward but there are ways to address these issues without throwing our long-fought for rights out with the proverbial bath water.

@josefabarriosmontalvo1802

2 жыл бұрын

Seems that the idea of justice is for the system to get money.

@LisaSnow3

2 жыл бұрын

Or for people to raise their children better. People always say it’s easier to raise boys. It’s easier to people because they don’t pay attention to them as much.

This story is absolutely heartbreaking. Jane was so unbelievably kind and forgiving, even when she shouldn't have been.

@catT5236

3 жыл бұрын

That's probably why he targeted her, he knew that he could use her innate kindness against her to his advantage.

@lacasadelaseo2472

3 жыл бұрын

I recommend this channel Minyas Vlogs

@nairobichik

3 жыл бұрын

Sooooo heartbreaking. So sad. RIP Jane. xxx

@diaryofarealmom3264

2 жыл бұрын

It’s one of those stories where I want to shake her and be like why did you stay with him when he told you he was married??? Rip sweetheart Jane. ❤️

this murder could have been PREVENTED TWICE. jane’s life could have been saved TWICE. this is not only the fault of jonathan but also the judge and that policeman. i hope that judge and police officer got fired or some form of punishment. i hope jane’s family is well and that jane rests easy

That’s the thing ppl don’t understand about abusive relationships: the victim really is in love and hopeful that the abuser will go back to being how they were in the beginning. Everyone asks why the victim doesn’t leave but that’s why it took me so long to leave my abuser. I was waiting for the person I fell in love with to return and I thought it was my fault he was awful to me. It’s a very confusing, damaging process to escape if you’re lucky enough to get out. 💔

@rosemarie5719

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry you went through that, but I'm glad you were able to escape

The saddest thing is that she was murdered where she saved lives. And where he RUINED hers. I am so sorry for her and her daughter and every other woman that has been trough this fear.

@sm1purplmurderedme583

2 жыл бұрын

LMAooooo

@DestineyAmerie

2 жыл бұрын

😢🥺

@DaughterofZion-24

2 жыл бұрын

​@@sm1purplmurderedme583 What's funny?

@zvdadon

2 жыл бұрын

@@sm1purplmurderedme583 why are you laughing..

@gachasins699

Жыл бұрын

@@zvdadon Because it's ironic, I suppose but I still wouldn't laugh.

As a nurse, this made me cry because she probably knew from her injuries she probably wouldn’t survive I can’t even imagine the trauma for her friends and fellow workers as the bond we create at work becomes so strong💔

@callymorgan

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree. I was thinking about this. She knew she would die. She tried to get away and if he hadn’t turned around, maybe, just maybe. It would be different.

@francesgray3096

2 жыл бұрын

You just hope her adrenaline was over taking the pain or thought

@janetrawlings1691

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a nurse too how 😔 sad prayers 😢 🙏

@CourtneyTunbridge79

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness I never thought of that, you are right she would have definitely known she was in trouble, I can't imagine, how absolutely awful.

@segagirladventurespico

2 жыл бұрын

:"( heartbreaking agree with u

As a survivor of sexual abuse from a romantic partner I totally understood her reasoning for not telling her parents he raped her. I’ve never told my parents, about the sexual abuse or any of the other abuse, because I’ve always been scared they’d think less of me or felt like they’d blame themselves. I was lucky enough to escape but even six years later I’m still healing, because it’s just such a hard thing to talk about and come to terms with. I still won’t say most of it out loud to anyone because it makes me sick to even remember. It’s hard and I feel like I’ll never completely heal but I’m so glad I was able to get away. I think if I hadn’t I probably would have ended up like Jane, which scares the hell out of me. I just wish I’d had the courage to go to the police like Jane did. She’s so strong for doing all that she did and trying to make a new life for herself.

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

There's also the fact that many people will gaslight you and tell you it wasn't r4pe because you're dating... So he just, like, ~owns your body~ or some crap.

@camilleroblin5005

5 ай бұрын

You're brave. Give yourself the time you need and eventually, one day, you will be able to talk about it. Everyone is different and deal with the trauma differently.

I hope the judge who granted bail is haunted for the rest of their miserable, pathetic life.

@meiiilin

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but facts

It’s so heartbreaking that she was a nurse and wanted to help people but she was treated so badly by someone who she wanted to love.

@staceykersting705

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of those 'helper' types have almost NO boundaries. It's incomprehensible how they'll allow themselves to be trampled. This narrator keeps saying "...but she loved him." That's not love. Before u know it, you're pregnant or can't escape. If u have your own place, hang on to it! When he disrespects u, LEAVE him the first time. Don't waste your time tryna 'break it down' to him...he knows what he's doing! Just get away from him...plenty of fish...

@dreyddog19

3 жыл бұрын

@@staceykersting705 sadly yes. We see the best in people and some people don't have any best.

@tash731

3 жыл бұрын

Wow this was me a decade ago 🥺 so glad I got out of that relationship, it could've gotten so much worse. This comment hits hard.

@maybechere8185

2 жыл бұрын

@@staceykersting705 I don’t think you’re really putting yourself in her shoes. She was a very kind trusting person. She loved him and thought he was the perfect guy. So of course she thought he’d be a better person. But I hope that more women like her realize that there are options. There are always options.

Unfortunately, there is a better chance of Jane coming back to life than the judge being fired.

@hollyedwards689

2 жыл бұрын

the judge wasnt fired however he retired earlier this year

@VioletJoy

2 жыл бұрын

Someone above explained that he was not presented with all of the information, so it sounds like her attorney might have been the one to drop the ball.

@TheSofkujepanen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper ?? Why are you commenting this on all these comment threads? What are trying to do with this😅? Do you have nothing better to do?

@ailyvn

2 жыл бұрын

@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper Kendall Rae is her own person and Eleanor is her own person as well soo why need to comment that? There's no "bRitSh kEndAll rAe" a lot of other people do crime videos?? I'm surprised you didn't know?

@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper

2 жыл бұрын

@@ailyvn Kendall Rae created the genre!!! She is British Kendall Rae

I felt like crying my eyes out when Eleanor explained how he went back after witnessing her trying to make it back to her car after the first attack. Just imagining how the idea of leaving her baby behind kept her fighting for her life against the impossible, only for the man she had once loved with all her heart to come back over to her only to kill her in cold blood as he had meant to do. Even when he had the opportunity to walk away. I just hope that she is at peace now, it litrally breaks my heart. She deserved to find love and happiness. I hope that she finds it in the next life, but at least her parents provided her with love and happiness within her childhood and throughout her suffering. This case is devastating.

This would have NEVER happened if that judge didn’t let Jonathon go, it’s actually ridiculous.

@anhelikacovington661

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. The judge needs to be held accountable

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but if the judge didn't let him go then a man would've been held accountable for his vioIence against women... We can't do that!

the way u actually talk about the victim's lives and not let them just be forgettable names in a killer's roster is something that sadly not enough true crime media do, and it's so refreshing to see. thank u for the compassion u bring to every video

@mysticdinochick7019

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly how I feel💜 I love learning her perspective, she was a PERSON who is no longer here... She should be remembered 💖 I appreciate these videos

@francescarae8182

2 жыл бұрын

beyhhhbeyhhh 👶🏻🙃

@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper

2 жыл бұрын

British Kendall Rae

@rowiel81

2 жыл бұрын

She is fantastic and my absolute favorite!

@funsizedi88

2 жыл бұрын

Eleanor, Stephanie Harlowe, Kimberleigha and Kendall Rae are all so wonderful about painting a picture of who the victim was and not glorifying the killer. Kimberly Flowers is starting to become one of my favorites for the attention she brings to children's cases, in a very respectful way like the other ladies I mentioned. Check those wonderful ladies out if you haven't already!

So you’re telling me this man had to work 2 jobs, interact with a wife and kids, maintain a girlfriend and STILL had time to stalk the girlfriend?! This man is a lunatic.

@getrudasanga9469

2 жыл бұрын

Superman😀

@ontxtteredwxngs

2 жыл бұрын

sounds like cocaine

I’m 16 now but I was 15 at the time when I was in a similar situation he manipulated, lied, sa, cheated, etc. i even fell pregnant and later had gotten a miscarriage. In May I made the decision to get a restraining order on him but the reason for it was what got him locked up. I was safe for about 2 months but for about a month I had to stay inside my house. In August he had gotten out for a day and that’s when he had broke the rules and got ahold of me, I immediately started freaking out and it got so bad that that day he came to my house. He’s now locked up idk for how long or what but i know that I am safe for right now.

@josie-tn2eu

Жыл бұрын

please be extra aware of your surroundings when he’s out. so sorry you had to live in constant fear with a whole life ahead of you. i’m also 15 and it’s crazy to me how this could happen to anyone. hope you’re doing well❤

@CC-tu9xs

Жыл бұрын

oh god, that's absolutely horrid. I hope you're doing well and I'm sorry you have to live in constant fear because of this man. I'm 15 at the moment and experienced some stalking but nothing this bad, we can only be careful and take extra steps to be safe. Hope you're alright 💙💙💙

@ravenann8193

Жыл бұрын

we are so young love, we never should've gone through anything similar. im glad you got away

@klaudia4704

Жыл бұрын

poor angel please stay safe 😔❤️

"when you look at someone through rose-colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags." Bojack Horseman

The thought that Jane would still be with us today If jonathon was just denied bail…

@francesgray3096

2 жыл бұрын

So true although either way he probably would of got her - but you never know time might of changed his mind

@MB-nb7yq

2 жыл бұрын

It’s always gotta when someone’s dead for shit to be taken seriously. Every crime case i watch or read makes me back the statement like fuck the police or fuck the system. People are angry.

@diaryofarealmom3264

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone gets bail…. Unless it’s like capital murder/torture. Or they escaped before. And even then they usually still get bail, but it’s like a million dollars. That doesn’t make sense….

@jessicawatson7360

2 жыл бұрын

@@diaryofarealmom3264 that’s only in US.

That judge is just now getting retired. He didn't face any consequences for releasing a rapist out to murder. He has publicly harassed a pub owner for not letting his dog inside the pub. And still, no consequences. He is living his life, guilt free and the scary thing is, there are other people in power who fuck up in the same way and misuse their positions and they get to keep their lives.

@psimmey30

3 жыл бұрын

Name and shame please

@chloe-zh2ux

3 жыл бұрын

@@psimmey30 his name is Simon Newell, let’s get him bestie 🔫🏃🏼‍♀️

@tatianarizktaylor1818

2 жыл бұрын

And a hell of a nice retirement package$$$ to go with it. What an asshole

@VioletJoy

2 жыл бұрын

Another member here explained how he was evidently not presented with that information. According to what this person found out, he did not know how Jane felt and didn't know the extent of his behavior (stalking). He was innocent until proven guilty and had a clean record, so then what? It sounded as if neither she nor her parents attended the hearings.

@MonstehDinosawr

2 жыл бұрын

@@tatianarizktaylor1818 that would be £££££

a stalker and domestic abuser registry would be life changing for so many ppl. I wish we had that where I live. If you can't prove sexual violence (which often isnt reported right away in most situations especially domestic ones) and you can prove all the other horrible things happening they could just do this again to other ppl without much warning.. these kind of abusers cycle through ppl and need to control victims... being on a list even if they didn't serve time or only served a bit or had probation would be validating in it's own way so you can warn others. they cant brush it off and say you are lying, it was for a bar fight or she made stuff up. my abuser went on to hurt other girls and even lied to one while stalking me and she contacted me after seeing my photos on his computer. another girl tried taking him to court whil i was dating him and he got extra controlling and manipulated her into dropping charges and i feel like if i had fought back and been less scared of him maybe i could have helped her case. now i just have therapy notes and ptsd for my troubles and he goes on hurting more ppl. I'm likely posted online everywhere too which can be evidence but im too scared to try and look and the longer the wait the harder it will be... most abusers NEVER face any consequences and when they do its never their fault and always their victims being so mean to them for nooooooo reason. they will never just up and decide to change or not abuse the next one. they need to be forced to be better through therapy and restrictions or be isolated from society.

@belpop

Жыл бұрын

That is such an excellent idea

Women in Hollywood have an Excel file that they share that contains the names of known abusers. That way if a woman is worried about working with a certain director or costar or producer or what have you, they can look at the list and look for that person's name and see if anyone has any negative experience with him. I absolutely love this idea because it doesn't rely on court convictions, but rather on believing women. It gives so much power back to these women being able to make informed decisions about their lives and careers. I hope this becomes more common. Every city, every state, should have these lists and women can share it with other women.

@Ilikefrogs..

Жыл бұрын

I believe there was a website like this in the early 2000s, but it got shut down. Someone should start it back up again. Password protected, with names and photos, and translated into different languages so women in different countries can access it.

@revortexed448

Жыл бұрын

I'm not one to say "Ok but men too!!" but this does just kinda ignore men and other genders. I think making the project more unisex could be beneficial to almost EVERYONE in the world ngl Maybe I'm biased, considering I'm a guy w a slight history of dealing with a woman who did something like it, but.

@meganwoehl5277

Жыл бұрын

@@revortexed448 men would need their own spreadsheet. The reason this was shared among only women wasn't to exclude male victims, but to keep it out of the hands of the men who are doing this so they can't manipulate it or find out who is talking about the abuse. This was a way for the women of Hollywood to warn other women without jeopardizing their careers, facing backlash from the abuser, and to save people from situations repeating themselves. Fact is, if the abuser got hold of this list, saw that someone wrote about a specific incident, they could go after that person even more. When one sex is routinely being abused by another sex, it becomes pertinent to keep that information close and not share it with everyone. If men created a spreadsheet about their female abusers, it most definitely should be kept between men and not shared among everyone. Imagine if Johnny Depp had written about Amber Heard in one of these spreadsheets....would you want Amber to have access to it? So she could manipulate the data, post lies, blackmail him, out him and ruin his career, threatening him, or abuse him further? I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is another form of just because it's not all men doesn't mean we can trust all men. Not all men are rapists, but I wouldn't blame a woman for crossing the street at night or taking precautions when alone or vulnerable. It's a safety thing. When your abusers belong to a specific group, you aren't going to pick and choose who from that group should have access and who shouldn't, you'll just deny the whole group.

@revortexed448

Жыл бұрын

@@meganwoehl5277 I never thought of it like that. Thank you for the explanation. That makes more sense that I originally thought. I wasn't really thinking when I replied because the video brought up some old memories for me. Again, thanks for your time

@alphabettown04

Жыл бұрын

@@revortexed448 Stop. There’s nothing wrong with what the OP said at all.

“I’m not gonna kill or batter you” it made my stomach turn.

@angel-xi6ie

3 жыл бұрын

as if he hadn’t already been bettering her smfh

@elletristan

3 жыл бұрын

@@angel-xi6ie exactly my point. I have to wonder if that text was what made her realize he was going to kill her.

@angel-xi6ie

3 жыл бұрын

@@elletristan as fucked up as he is, maybe :(

@tarynsmell4811

2 жыл бұрын

as if not doing that isnt the bare fucking minimum

@melbel9475

2 жыл бұрын

When men say this, or "i'm not gonna rape you " trust that they have thought about it. Big red flag.

Can we just appreciate that Eleanor hasn’t changed het content over time to be ‘monetisation-friendly and had stayed true to the stories every time despite the issues with ads🥺a true crime queen x

@nottyrese

3 жыл бұрын

Her and disturban are the only I can properly watch

@496brit

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS she’s consistent

@sophiemullenn_x

3 жыл бұрын

Reason why she’s my favourite! Plus she’s consistent

@modernfamily4550

3 жыл бұрын

@@sophiemullenn_x me too 💕

@charlottejones995

3 жыл бұрын

Because she gets paid from the sponsors

Ladies, LISTEN to your friends and/or family about the person you’re dating! I say this from experience. They see things you don’t because you see that person’s good traits only while your friends and family see the whole person. Please listen if they say something is off with the person!

@theConquerersMama

Жыл бұрын

This!! Sometimes it's not even that they are warning you about a bad person but that they would be a bad fit for you. Derail your plans/life goals. I quit dental school because I was so in love and needed to be near him. 🙄 He wasn't a bad guy. He was just honest that he couldn't do a long distance relationship. Friends and family were all saying - if it's meant to be you will find each other later. But yeah, if I risk our friendship to outright tell you about my worries,it's for a good reason.

I watched a documentary about this a few years ago, they interviewed him in it and showed him some newspaper clippings of what he had done, he got a pen and stabbed Janes eyes with it and said she deserved what she got! It was awful I will never ever forget it and the evil look in his eyes! He will or I hope should never be released! Rip Jane and how wonderful and strong are her parents! 🙏🏼 xxx

@philmitchell8578

Жыл бұрын

It was strangeways wasn’t it! That jail documentary? And he said something like I love her but I hate her so so much. Absolute psychopath x

@theConquerersMama

Жыл бұрын

😳😳😳

The judge who granted Jonathan Vass bail is called Simon Newell. He’s still a serving judge and seems to do odd things like Picketing a pub because they wouldn’t allow him inside with his dog.

@jamesparsons9068

3 жыл бұрын

He just retired last month and whilst we tend not second guess judicial decisions in the UK everyone dropped the ball in this case but as the maxim goes 'good cases make bad laws' - establishing precedent on exceptional cases isn't a good idea. Bail is an intrinsic right as you are innocent until proven guilty unless you pose a threat. And although judges don't/can't make comments the JCO said '"In this case, at no stage was the judge told of any concerns expressed by Ms Clough in relation to her safety, nor was there any evidence presented to the court that Mr Vass was likely to commit further offences against her.' So what do you do?

@spartacist101

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesparsons9068 I tend to agree with you as he was looked into whether he committed any malpractice and wasn't charged. My comment wasn't necessarily to say he was wrong legally in granting bail but just to mention who he was and that he seems to be an odd individual (as shown in his spat with a landlord). Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if Judge Newell had known what Vass was capable of then he wouldn't have granted him bail I'm sure.

@jamesparsons9068

3 жыл бұрын

@@spartacist101Agreed. I was only curious as to why her solicitors didn't present evidence of his violent predisposition? Or why she didn't attend and speak herself. We shall never know. Judges can be rather odd individuals but that is better than corrupt. I think you can count on one had the cases where a UK judge was proved corrupt. If even that.

@kimberini6465

2 жыл бұрын

Someone should have been an advocate for the victim!!! The judge needed to be aware of his stalking, violence, and threats to her. He can't make an informed decision without all of the pertinent information. Her team and the prosecution failed her.

@jamesparsons9068

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimberini6465 Someone somewhere failed her. He had been denied bail twice and it was up to her lawyers or the state or her to object. This clearly had done this twice already so why they didn't do it on a third occasion is a mystery.

Eleanor: and then this man joins her team, Jane liked him. Me: he did it

@kamaiawool9808

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO fr

@by.an_ca.9936

2 жыл бұрын

Fr same

@justhereforreal3360

2 жыл бұрын

when she shows images then you know!

@ellyanorsobhi6753

2 жыл бұрын

My name is too ellyanor 😘😘😘😘

@YoungForever7168

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly my reaction

That's a shame she thought she deserved to be hit. No body deserves to be hit especially from someone who suppose to love you. My heart breaks for her.

so I just got covid and i've spent the last few days binging your videos. I've noticed you always talk really highly of the murder victim, talking about what strong or kind people they were, you give an identity to the people you talk about, and it's really respectful. you're a really great story teller thank you for sharing these videos!

@commonsense571

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you are on your the mend🌻 stay well💝

@CKaffeineIVStat

5 ай бұрын

Lol I have Covid right now and I’m doing the same thing!

If the alarm bells start ringing for everyone around you about someone you’re dating, please listen to them. What happened to Jane was heartbreaking. Stay safe everyone.

@axelinerys3841

2 жыл бұрын

@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper as I was browsing these comments I noticed that you say this a lot. I am genuinely curious about why you keep posting this. It doesn’t matter if Kendall and Eleanor can be seen as similar due to their content, multiple people can keep the same space. Even then, the concept of sitting and talking about something isn’t an original idea. People do it for things like drama, commentary, and even in the form of video essays. It existed even longer than that though, way back many years ago as butter was being churned they would listen to people talk. It is only natural people would begin talking about true crime as well. Because of this you cannot pin someone as the creator of this form of content. Both of those points aren’t too important though, what is really important is raising awareness and keeping the victims name alive. Both Kendall and Eleanor are doing this with there work. So who cares if they are similar? They are spreading awareness of serious subjects and helping out families. Let’s not compare them but rather applaud them for what they are doing.

@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper

2 жыл бұрын

@@axelinerys3841 I like two women competing like this! Kendall is winning

@kimym9270

2 жыл бұрын

@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper wtf? it's not a competition stop putting women against eachother

@synonymouswith4225

2 жыл бұрын

@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper wtf is wrong with you? do you realize that two people can do the same thing without having a competition???

@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper

2 жыл бұрын

@@synonymouswith4225 I’m just saying: Kendall was the original true crime girl, she’s more attractive, her ideas are better

I worked with Penny and remember her talking about her daughter’s partner being trouble. She was a wonderful woman. I then moved away and saw what had happened on the news. RIP Jane.

@cateliebenberg5296

3 жыл бұрын

That's really sad, but you must be really proud of all that she has done.

@ruqayyahqadri8180

3 жыл бұрын

@ayo why wouldn't it be true?

@HoneyBee-br6hi

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruqayyahqadri8180 Right. Like who would lie about something like that. Smh

@r.l.bookreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Awe I’m sorry. It is sad to what happened to her.

@vieuphoria1008

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruqayyahqadri8180 Because it’s the Internet and people lie

My tears are coming from the thought of the daughter watching this documentary some day. I'm shattered. The psychological and emotional effects of this.

I will never understand these judges that allow people like that out on bail. I guarantee you they would do all they could to keep them in there, if it was their wife, daughter, or granddaughter.

The realest fan base I’ve ever witnessed. proud to be a part of this community even the dark times

@streamgirlsnight

3 жыл бұрын

BRO

@AxxLAfriku

3 жыл бұрын

I recently revealed the genders of my two girlfriends. It got a lot of hate and now has 30 times more dislikes than likes. I am really sad that people can be so mean. Sorry for using your comment to talk about my problems, dear inl

@beigelover95

3 жыл бұрын

yesss

@Therealkanyewest3782

3 жыл бұрын

Hey can you see lines on the video like me

@jordanhelaine

3 жыл бұрын

@@Therealkanyewest3782 iml i dont, but what do you mean by lines?

Sadly abuse quite often gets worse when the partner gets pregnant. If anyone is being abused, please know that a pregnancy won't stop the abuse. It may temporarily improve but usually after the baby is born it will start again and will get worse. An abusive partner also puts the child at increased risk of child abuse, including as a newborn infant. It's fairly common that the baby crying will lead to the partner hurting the baby or shaking the baby (shaken baby syndrome) which can kill the infant in a matter of seconds. If this is happening to you and you're worried about your partner finding out, you can let your doctor know during any of your prenatal visits or well baby visits and they can get you the information to a women's shelter or other. Remember you're not in this alone and there is a ton of help available if you need. Also know that this isn't a reflection on your ability to spot a bad person. Abusers are excellent at charming people and very slowly ramping up the abuse as well as making you feel like your abuse is your fault. It's not. If you need help, do seek it out

@Convie

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! When I got pregnant and had my daughter the abuse got worse because my attention was on my daughter and not on him which made him angry & jealous

@izstrella

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for spreading this important information!

@MultiJordan2005

3 жыл бұрын

@@Convie I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Are you guys safe now? I know a lot of people expect that having a baby in that situation will be fine and change the partner back, but they weren't ever that person they appeared to be in the beginning of the relationship.

@Convie

3 жыл бұрын

@@MultiJordan2005 yes I'm safe now, it was 10 years ago, he started attacking me while I was holding my daughter which slipped a.switch in my head & I managed to escape, once I did he got arrested for domestic abuse, it was a stressful time because I found out I was pregnant a week later from him raping me, it's scary how similar he is to Jonathan, thankfully he didn't go against police orders though. I now have 2 wonderful daughter's, a fiance who is so kind, he understands my Truama & helps communicate with me in ways that don't trigger it, he's legally adopting my daughter's & we now have a son together :)

@izstrella

3 жыл бұрын

@@MultiJordan2005 • Every three seconds...holy f*ck. It’s terrifying that a significant amount of change is needed to even push it back to just one minute. But we have to try, at least. 💛

This had me on the edge of my seat. I thought after the incident in the parking lot, just as he was about to go away and she was pulling herself along, I had hoped she would survive and AGAIN in the hospital, I thought there would be a chance for this lady. Those poor workers trying to resuscitate her, I cant imagine the panic and urgency they worked with trying to save their friend. Its horrible! I havent listened past the part of her admittance and death in hospital yet, but I hope Jonny gets life in prison

This is heartbreaking. This is why I'm scared of dating, scared of men. They can literally charm you off your feet and come across as this nice guy, only to turn into a monster. You literally don't know what type of person you're dealing with until they reveal their true selves, and by then it can be too late :(

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

And when they inevitably ab/use you or r4pe you, YOU get blamed for "picking a bad one"

@kio2022

Жыл бұрын

@@jadecoolness101 so messed up

@m-fh1km

Ай бұрын

@@jadecoolness101now you know how male victims are treated constantly

@m-fh1km

Ай бұрын

the constant fear mongering of men is so pathetic. no, not every man is out to get you. violent men make up a small minority of the male population. the victim mentality and irrational fear of men isn’t gonna help you and demonizing them isn’t either. 🤷‍♀️

@jadecoolness101

Ай бұрын

@@m-fh1km you misspelled "female". Male victims literally get coddled for having the "bravery" to come forward lmfao

The fact that he texted her saying ''I'm not gonna kill you'' and then ended up doing just that is so sickening

I hope that judge who let him out lives with the thought that he helped someone murder an innocent human being everyday. This whole case is just so heartbreaking, the whole justice system failed her. I can’t believe they let a physical abuser out on bail and didn’t even have him moderated at all times. Rest In Peace Jane…

@dreyddog19

3 жыл бұрын

Whenever I hear of cases like this, these type of people out on bond need to have a tether at the very least.

@georgie6722

2 жыл бұрын

from what i've seen in the comments it doesn't look like there was someone advocating for her concerns in the bail hearing so i don't believe the judge knew the full circumstances. either way the system really tragically failed a really lovely human :(

@lottiee964

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgie6722 yeah but regardless of the circumstances he will have known that he raped and abused her. That should be enough to deny bail.

I just left a domestic violence shelter & I really want to thank you for covering these stories 🖤 It’s nice to know that even if the worst does happen, people will see us as an individual with our own story, not “just another statistic”

I’m sorry but I couldn’t imagine my parents not kidnapping me and locking me up just to get me away from an abusive partner like my ex shouted at me once and my dad wanted to kill him?!?

Really pisses me off that victims don't have more protection. Infact it feels like the the law is on the attackers side in this country. I was attacked by a random man on a night out a few years ago and it made me realise how bad it is. It made me so ill with anxiety I ended up dropping the case. I am terrified of something worse happening to me because I'd just feel completely helpless.

@JNB520

3 жыл бұрын

Its like that in my country too sis and sorry for what happened to you

@PhancyPants12

3 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly why people don’t report abuse to police. And it’s not even the officers fault. My dad and brother are both police and they HATE when abusers are bailed out from the courts because they know that they will most likely be responding back to that same situation over and over.

@O___________0

3 жыл бұрын

There aren’t even gender violence laws in all countries when they’re clearly misogynistic attacks.

@alexisgrey3633

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry that happened to you, yeah the justice system is the worst when it comes to rape and domestic abuse, no wonder so many victims dont report or drop the charges xxxx

@kiwi_doodlez2514

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry that happened to you I hope you're doing better now. Things like ab■se and r■pe really makes me uncomfortable and pisses me off because the victims having to suffer the trauma and tragedy. I was sexual harassed by my girlfriend. (Sorry for the long rant)

For sure, he would have killed Jane's parents along with his own child. He was ruthless. May he rot in hell.

@Michelle-qm2on

3 жыл бұрын

Amen to that

@brianajones8662

2 жыл бұрын

But my question is why did he do Jane like this but not his wife 🤔 based on what I'm hearing and what I've read she didn't fear him and she still allowed him to see his kids

@GenXfrom75

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianajones8662 who knows. Psycho brains still aren't fully understood. He was fixated on Jane. That's what his mind was attached to. Hurting her.

@brianajones8662

2 жыл бұрын

@@GenXfrom75 Well It is also normal for them to marry people that aren't people they would target but it's like this can't possibly be his first time he was far too comfortable

@GenXfrom75

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianajones8662 there could be others who got away and stayed quiet.

I live in Blackpool and this was horrific, I was in hospital when this happened in the car park and honestly the nurses was in complete shock all spoke so highly of her too, there's a little memorial at the hospital for her now, it's such a shame for her little girl, there's a documentary on the animal who did it, I really hope she has found some peace now 🤍🤍

I am a true crime fangirl for decades now, since the 80s. Jane's parents are two of the most uplifting people in the many annals I've encountered.

Shame on that disgusting judge who allowed this to happen. Jane's blood is not only on John's hands but any legal parties hands as well, for letting him out and allowing this to happen. I pray for Jane's family, especially her poor daughter who will have to grow up without a mother. R.I.P Jane ❤ may your beautiful soul rest in peace.

@sugarbabe5728

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, judges letting abusers out is the norm. Here, they only usually hold them for 24hrs, and my state has no self defense law. So, a victim will literally be arrested alongside their abuser if they defend themselves. Me and my kids had to go to underground shelters because my ex has 4 black belts and swat would literally have to come if I called the cops on him. There's no defending yourself against someone who is trained and proficient in 4 forms of martial arts and weapons. I switched vehicles so many times, switched jobs, didn't have any contact with any of my family or friends, was transferred in the middle of the night, not even knowing where we were being taken so many times. Yet, these judges continued to release him even when police officers repeatedly testified that if he wasn't held and incarcerated then he WOULD kill me. It wasn't a matter of IF, just when. Every damn time, he was released after 24hrs. He was in the process of going through getting his citizenship, and do you know wtf finally got him incarcerated and deported? He stole freaking furniture. The state valued damn couches and kitchen tables more than my and my children's lives. Effing furniture.. although I was and am happy that he was removed and sent extremely far away, it pissed me off that furniture was valued more than anything he had done to me. I was physically unable to work for a month because of my injuries. The cops had confiscated 4 illegally obtained guns from him. But, him stealing a couch is what made judges go, whoa, we have to remove him from the country, because we can't have a couch thief around here..

@lavanyakarn2163

2 жыл бұрын

​@@sugarbabe5728 god i sometimes just hate how cruel the justice system can be and it's even more ridiculous that it's called "justice" system eventho more often than not, they somehow always manage to make THE WORST decision. And the fact that the judges who were given ur cases acted so foolishly because I'm really sorry to say this bt ur case was so critical and they jst carelessly let ur ex out!!! Lots of love and hope to u and ur closed ones🌺 Please stay safe.

@mizzouranger134

2 жыл бұрын

The judge can only operate within the law. Why childish immature people think differently and like judges can just do whatever they want and that any bad thing that happens before something horrible is on the systems involved is so stupid and deluded. He could have gotten the maximum time and still easily gotten out and still killed her. It’s way more dangerous for a woman in a domestic violence setting after she leaves vs during the relationship. The person responsible is the murderer. Also as much as people hate to acknowledge this the victim plays a part. People accept abuse and being mistreated for ages and think oh they will change and ignore everyone warning them to watch out and leave. She didn’t deserve it obviously but she could have played an active role in her safety instead of being submissive to his whims and abuse and lying to herself about who he was and would continue to be.

@lavanyakarn2163

2 жыл бұрын

Ah the good old victim blaming. Real nice. As u said, the abuser could've still attacked the victim even if he was imprisoned bt the chances of this are lower than the abuser attacking the victim if they are out isn't it? And judges can do a whole lot more than they think they can and some judges are indeed very helpful in such cases BUT most of the people jst consider it a job when it's a matter of life and death for the victim!

@oliviagrace6914

2 жыл бұрын

@@lavanyakarn2163 don’t take God’s Name in vain and capitalize the G if you want to please but honestly I totally agree

i'm just 10 minutes in but i had to say this to all the nurses reading this and everywhere, you are the backbone of the healthcare industry. we doctors treat the patients, yes, but you do the heavy lifting and are always running even if it is 3am to help a patient in distress. i was critically ill once while i was doing my residency and this one nurse came in everyday with the biggest smile on her face, she cared for me, braided my hair and lifted my spirits when i wanted to give up. I have immense respect for the profession and anyone who chooses to be one says a lot about their kind hearts.

@crystalpeterson8730

3 жыл бұрын

Yes nurses are amazing when I was in having my children I had the best set of nurses that were just amazing and did so much for me 🥰 one even stayed over her shift just to see to me that I had my baby cause she was so invested it was amazing treatment

@carolinegladwell7855

3 жыл бұрын

From a mental health nurse ❤️ thank you xxxxxx

@opheliasfall

3 жыл бұрын

from the daughter of a nurse, thank you!

@yaso5143

3 жыл бұрын

As a 3rd year student nurse and care support worker, I really appreciate this comment

@danielleoldfield5952

3 жыл бұрын

100% agree. I've been in and out of hospital since the age of 3 so, 37 years. And though I wouldn't be here by now with my four children and husband if it wasn't for doctors, who helped making sure I was treated the right way. It is the nurses that were the ones who were there day and night, doing all they could to make my life that little bit better, they were my shoulder to cry on when I was at my lowest, and an ear to rant at when it all just got to much at times. Now my oldest son who is eighteen, has just joined the care assistant team, and is loving his work. I am so proud of him, and all the nurses that put in so much work. And do it with a smile on there face, despite the problems they have going on in there own lives. Hearts of gold.

It’s so sweet how you warn everyone about the content of what you’re talking about before you start and consider everyone’s feelings and not just that but so many things make you such a great story teller/KZreadr, you’re definitely one of my favs!!❤️❤️

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that her warnings aren't completely useless. A lot of people just go "warning, sensitive content!" and leave it at that... That is WORTHLESS. Someone with trauma from child s3xual ab/use may be able to watch content on domestic vioIence, etc etc etc. Her warnings give people the ability to make an informed decision on if they're ready to hear it.

Why do they NEVER seem to care about people who are being stalked and/or abused? They treat these things like some minor crimes (or not even a crime in most stalking cases) and so many people die because of it.

"we are staying together regardless of our problems" made my skin crawl

It’s so gross that jane’s family, friends, coworkers and everyone in her life tried so hard to keep her safe, but the legal system failed her. At least she was finally able to be happy and free again before she passed.

@mizzouranger134

2 жыл бұрын

What exactly do you expect them to do for every single woman who chooses an abusive partner? They can’t fix everything and keep everything bad from happening in life to people. It’s a childish abs delusional way of thinking and removes all personal responsibility from the perpetrator and the as much as everyone hates to talk about it the victim… often victims play a part in these situations. She didnt deserve to die but se definitely has some ownership in the situation and the partner she chose repeatedly after huge red flags over and over.

@Cricket9579

2 жыл бұрын

@@mizzouranger134 um...its people like you that are just so completely uneducated about abuse in general. Your comment disgusts me, are you serious?? Part of him murdering her was HER fault??? Read up on the facts about WHY they don't leave the first time, and keep going back. Read up about facts and dynamics involved in mental, emotional and physical abuse. NONE of this was EVER Jane's fault, and BTW she DID leave him In the end, and THAT is why he murdered her. You are ignorant and part of the problem.. Do some research and when you are thoroughly educated, come back with a comment that actually makes some sense. I will pray for you. Also, the system did COMPLETLEY fail her. PERIOD.

@maapauu4282

2 жыл бұрын

@@mizzouranger134 How dare you victim blame an innocent person? She had no knowledge of what he might do to her, and when she found out it was too late. Unless you have been emotionally manipulated to this extent you have no right to judge her. Stop blaming the obvious victim, or else you will end up just as damaging to victims in abusive scenarios than enablers.

@elluvzu

2 жыл бұрын

@@mizzouranger134 they dont CHOOSE an abusive partner. they choose someone they think loves them . people dont choose someone because theyre abusive

@bazylanazir

Жыл бұрын

@@mizzouranger134 they can aleast not release the accused on bail who has been found totally guilty at committing the crime. Period.

I also had an especially strong emotional reaction to this case. Good gracious my heart hurts for Jane and her family. It also shocks me, case after case, how short sentences are for serious violent crimes in the UK.

Once I found out my boyfriend of two years was actually married, I kicked him to the curb. He lied to me. I deserve better than a lying cheater.

My heart goes out to Jane's family. Jane was a warrior. She was so brave and strong. I have been abused and stalked and her journal entries mirrored my own. Her ability to try to pick up with her life after all she had been through really pulls at my heart strings. I hope this disgusting man never gets released and I wish nothing but the best for her family.

@Cosygamer941

2 жыл бұрын

Wishing you nothing but happiness girl. Sounds like you’re a warrior too ❤️👏🏻

@chasityrhea

2 жыл бұрын

I hope your doing better now

@cassieshea7091

2 жыл бұрын

@@chasityrhea thank you so much! I am doing very well now. You all are very sweet and sympathetic. It's appreciated.

@regnisj5993

2 жыл бұрын

I dedicate Rachel Platten Stand By You and Fight Song for You

@emmapiper756

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you’re now safe, I wish you nothing but love, health and safety🤍

This is beyond frustrating. The fact that this was so easily preventable and that there are so many more preventable cases like this is terrifying and ridiculous. My heart goes out to her family. I wish I got to learn more about topics like this instead of the my plate and food pyramid during wellness class, it could’ve saved a lot of people.

I hope that judge feels guilty for the rest of their life for letting him be only on bail and not in the holding cell

Bail is STUPID and BAD in any case that is not financial in nature.

My ex was disliked by my friends and family.. he tried to kill me once. Even apologized for it. I couldn’t see the red flags even when they were right in my face. This is why I don’t judge people for being loyal to toxic people. They really are manipulated and gaslit into thinking it’s their own fault.

@jessjobling9393

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry this happened to you. I hope you’re in a good place now 💕

@captiankirk

3 жыл бұрын

im sorry such a horirble thing happened to you, hope youre in a better place neow! 💕

@izstrella

3 жыл бұрын

@Katie A • THIS; YES!

@izstrella

3 жыл бұрын

How are you today? If answering would cause discomfort, I completely understand. I wish you well. 💐

@karencooper3428

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Jane’s parents were so sweet and nice, they obviously cared for their daughter and it’s so horrible to imagine that they had their daughter taken away by this PoS. The fact that this PoS was let out on bail when the judge knew he was dangerous pissed me off so much… RIP Jane

@bintajallow6025

3 жыл бұрын

What dose PoS mean?

@Anita-k

3 жыл бұрын

@@bintajallow6025 Pos means "piece of sh!t" - sorry for writing it a bit differently, but I don't want KZread to shadow-ban my reply.

@heytherejay04

3 жыл бұрын

@@Anita-k thank you, that’s also why I wrote it out as “PoS” since YT is very quick to pick up on those words

@lacasadelaseo2472

3 жыл бұрын

I recommend this channel Minyas Vlogs

@Anita-k

3 жыл бұрын

@@heytherejay04 They really are and I became first insecure & then creative, bc I never know exactly, which words (and what amount of them) they might want to shadow-ban, so I often use numbers and punctuation marks to hide certain words.

this case absolutely breaks my heart. i’m currently binge watching all of your videos, but this case always stands out.

I am a DA survivor and almost lost my life to a monster. It’s been over 30 years and I still feel paranoid which to me is comforting. When someone tells me, it’s over, and the monster is “gone”, I just smile, knowing that they know NOTHING. It’s NEVER over MONSTERS will always stock their pray. FLIP THE SWITCH Proceed with vigilance ladies, hunt or be hunted.

The fact that judge who decided to let such a monster out on bail - Simon Newell - was allowed to keep his position and his job until he decided to retire in July this year is disgusting. Where’s the justice for Jane??

To every adult out there if your partner or any one in your life thinks it’s ok to put their hands on you in any form, shut it down right away. It’s going to escalate, it won’t stop, it’s not just once, you do not deserve it. You cannot heal them, or fix them, it is NOT just a phase. One does not wake up one day and decide to start handling their problems with physical violence. It is who they are and the lay in wait for them to be rooted in your life and see how much you will take before they strike.

@nirvanasalazar2480

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree, I used to be the one who would physically abuse boyfriends. I am not proud of it and hated who I was. To me physical abuse was normal in relationships because of how I seen my parents growing up. With my ex boyfriend we were both pretty physically abusive with each other and our relationship ended. With my current boyfriend I put my hands on him more than once and I just seen how it hurt him and we love each other so much and I didn’t want to be that person towards him anymore so I stopped. I love him so much and I did not want to be that way with him, he is a good man and such a sweet man and I just couldn’t allow myself to hurt him like that ever again. We’ve been together for only a year but I know from personal experience it will stop, it just takes you being patient with yourself , talking to yourself and telling yourself that doing those things isn’t okay. When I’m upset I just remove myself from the situation at the moment to allow myself to cool down and to think about things because I don’t want to blow up and be that ugly person anymore. Stepping away for a moment really does help. So no, no one can heal me or fix me only I can and I did, that wasn’t who I was that’s just how I was raised but you can break those generational curses. (:

@shu7260

3 жыл бұрын

@@nirvanasalazar2480 i'm glad that you got out of it. but i don't think it's okay to say "i know from personal experience it will stop". because, not everyone does. you may have and few other people may have been able to stop yourself and improve, which i'm proud of you for, but it doesn't work that way with everyone. plus, even if they do improve, some people will have lots of trauma and trust issues from the past and it's okay to leave if they want to.

@ANOCAINE

3 жыл бұрын

@@nirvanasalazar2480 it's great that you stopped, especially for your boyfriend but for you as well, I wish more people could change like you did and I'm making this comment with no intention of coming for you or devaluing that growth in any way. So, as a survivor myself, I ask you to consider how we feel when wording a comment like that. It's a REALLY awful thing to suggest that things could get better, because the reality is, in 99.99% of times, they most likely won't. When we're in this situation, we take any tiny glimmer of hope that the abuser will go back into being the person you fell for, including reading comments like yours, unfortunatelly. I'm not one to comment on yt a lot but it was quite painful to read. I hope you understand, take care.

@rd9526

3 жыл бұрын

Omg that poor guy...he doesn't deserve this. U should heal yeh sure but he shouldn't be around u at this moment when ur working on urself. Praying for him 🙏

@sweettea1193

3 жыл бұрын

@@nirvanasalazar2480 your current bf should've dumped you the second you put your hand on him. The fact you say you've changed doesn't matter, because putting your hand on your partner is inexcusable and nobody should tolerate that and give second chances. It's traumatising and I hope your vf can one day heal because that kind of abuse stays with you forever. I hope he leaves you for his own sake because I wouldn't stay with a partner who put their hand on me

This case really hit home towards me. My father is an abusive man who emotionally and physically abused myself, mother and siblings. We are currently a legal battle under criminal law and family law for his domestic abuse. In February 2021 he came to our house and attacked my two younger siblings. He threw one of my siblings out of a car and kicked her pelvis in. With my other sister he chased and attempted to break her arm in the front door of our home. This attack has mentally traumatized my siblings and myself as well as my mum as she has a safety order on him from his abuse towards her prior and for myself as I've currently one on him also due to him punching me in the face and throwing me out of a moving vehicle at 14. Currently court is ongoing, he is out on bail even though court knows he is a danger towards my family. Criminal court has still not been settled and is still under investigation. My father believes we will drop charges but we are firm and are not going to. Since being on bail he has broken it four times 3 times trying to contact us threw social media and once by a letter to the house and the other time by not showing up to court. He was charged 50 euro for each bail breakage. A 50 euro fine is not a punishment and shows him he can continue to get away with this behavior. We as a family fear for our lives as court progresses as he is well known for violent outbursts and we fear what he could be capable of. He claims the night of February nothing happened. He claims my siblings, my mum and myself made this event up to soil his reputation. But also in family court seeking access for my youngest sibling who is autistic, stating he cannot make his mind up if he wants to see him or not due to his special needs. We all fear him. We are scared. He is out there getting away with breaking bail 4 times! He is a dangerous man. We are seeking help from Woman's Link who have told us as this case comes closer to the verdict and he realizes he is not going to get away with this he will become more violent towards us and in all honesty I believe he is capable of taking a step to far. So if anything happens this is proof our feelings towards him is correct. Laws need changing to protect families like mine because it's not fair we have to live in terror and possibly meet our ends by people like him and Jonathon...

@doiknowyou5023

2 жыл бұрын

I truly,from heart hope that you win the case..and the man get sentenced to death. Take care.

Jonathan’s behaviour reminds me of my father. My mother always makes excuses for my biological father, saying she fell in love with who he “was”, and my entire family kept telling my mother to leave him because he’s manipulative, but she’s so deep into the manipulation and low self esteem that she cannot leave him anymore. Not to mention that when divorce came up, my father said he’d find me no matter where my mother would take me. At least I can see through it and want to leave, but my mother’s far gone and not happy anymore, I don’t think she’ll ever be.

The judge who approved of that bail makes my blood boil. Jane was finally living her life and raising her daughter and her life was taken away by a psycho. This absolutely breaks my heart bc she stood her ground for her daughter and herself. Rest in peace beautiful soul 🕊

@Frankoceanluvr444

2 жыл бұрын

It makes me so sad that the judge approved The bail even more so because she could’ve been taking care of her child right now her baby doesn’t have a mom now which is so heartbreaking

@steakdriven

2 жыл бұрын

That judge really was a piece of shit he should be charged with a crime

@diaryofarealmom3264

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone gets bail… if you pay it you get out….it’s horrible but it’s not the judge.

@kathrynnassar4579

2 жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to Brandon Teena(Teena Brandon if using dead name) in the US. It wound up causing him and two other people to be killed by his rapist. (He was FMM)

@rabiespuddings1735

2 жыл бұрын

There's about a 99% chance that that judge was an abuser himself, abusers protect and vouch for other abusers after all. They have their own "bro code". In The Gabby Petito case the shitty cop did everything in his power to paint Gabby as the abuser, he literally helped Brian gaslight Gabby into thinking that she was the problem. And even at one point when on a tirade about his ex girlfriend. Really gross sexist and ableist undertones to that body cam footage. Yikes, we need a drain the swamp that is the justice system.

This story makes me so sad for both Jane and the other woman. To find out that your husband has not only been cheating on you but is sitting in cell because of Violence and rape on his other girlfriend and they have a child together?! I can’t imagine how she felt. And of course, I feel so sorry for Jane, she did not deserve this, and her daughter didn’t deserve to lose her mummy 🥺

@jamiegenova4305

3 жыл бұрын

nuqqqq

@lacasadelaseo2472

3 жыл бұрын

I recommend this channel Minyas Vlogs

The work Janes parents done is so incredible and beautiful and i know Jane would be proud. My heart goes to her loved ones, especially her parents and daughter and friends that had to operate on her i cant imagine how they feel

The way you tell these stories and cases is great. I can listen while I'm at work and don't have to watch the video to know what's going on, but if I am able to watch it the visuals add to it. Thank you for all the very obvious hard work you put into these.

Imagine being the judge who granted the bastard with his bail, I will never understand leniency toward these abusers??????? RIP Jane you beautiful soul.

@as19J01

3 жыл бұрын

the judge should be in jail with him because they indirectly caused a murder by letting a potential murderer on the loose. Domestic abusers have a huge tendency of killing their partner. It's like when people say that a person who harms an animal has potential to harm another human. Yeah, he's not a murderer YET but odds are that he will be and you can't give him that option - especially if there are signs of mental instability (not that I think he had mental issues, I'm just speaking in general)

@bitterestbird

3 жыл бұрын

I hope he at least feels guilty and understands his role in this. I would feel absolutely devastated if I had any hand in someone's death.

both the judge who released him on bail and whoever told him that jane was gonna testify deserve jail time

@Lola84794

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!! It infuriates me that someone told him that knowing the dangers.

@PhancyPants12

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately defence attorneys get a complete witness list as part of discovery so they can plan their defence. The attorney must have told him she was on the witness list

@maryellis1238

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhancyPants12 yep

I will always remember this case as it is so close to where I live. It was absolutely horrendous. I remember the Jane's Law that came in place from all of this. Absolutely horrendous!

Jane truly seemed like the woman who would talk to anyone in a club bathroom and dry your tears while completely drunk🥹

The photos of her with the baby... She's smiling through the pain, still hopeful that her dreams of having a happy family with a loving man will come true. I feel like crying... This case hurts.

@rio-um7im

2 жыл бұрын

her baby was her light and her hope she loved her little girl and would of been a great mother she deserved to have been with her baby way longer than she was, i hope she’s at peace now

@asmrtpop2676

2 жыл бұрын

@@rio-um7im baby should never be that… a baby is a person. wtf. they are not for the parent to have hope. take care of us ffs

I hope the parents got custody of their granddaughter, at least they have a small joy within this tragedy.

@jamesparsons9068

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing but then I thought do you really want to raise a child that is 'half' the man who murdered your child. Imagine if the child turned out to look like him? On the other hand instinct would take over and you would want to nurture the child to be in the image of their daughter. It's like a philosophy exam question. It does raise another interesting question, what were his parents like? Do animals like this fall far from the oak tree or was he the exception. I suppose it's the eternal nature/nurture question.

@maria7694

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesparsons9068 she'd been living with them since Jane had left Jonathan so to them I think she was probably theirs more than anything to do with him. Not to mention that's what their daughter was trying to protect all along so I think the desire to do that would follow through to them. It depends on how its looked at though

@jamesparsons9068

2 жыл бұрын

@@maria7694 Agreed, better they raise her than his parents.

@a-birb

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesparsons9068 you should try and read about the psychology of criminals and manipulators. Most of them go through multiple trauma since their childhood, which makes them like this. The brain later modifies and loses most of the empathical, emotional feelings turning them into ... this. Its like people with deep sadness and parental abuse and neglect, most of them turn out to become angry and irritable. He probably got it from his parent(s) who probably got it from their parent(s). Anger is a transfered misery. The intensity of it of course depends.

@jamesparsons9068

2 жыл бұрын

@@a-birb I didn't want to suggest the parents were somehow responsible as I don't know them or anything about them. They may as you say but they also may be good people with a bad child. I know one family who raised a sociopath they were decent good people with two other kids who were fantastic kids. Sometimes it's nature, sometimes nurture and sometimes a combination of both.

He was a textbook example of a narcissist. What a vile creature.

this was the first murder case that i actually felt terrible for the victim. usually i just feel bad and then move on, but this had a lasting effect on me, it made me sad. i had hope for her, hope for her life. she had a daughter, and i can’t imagine how that child feels. my heart goes out to her family. ❤️

Hearing how he murdered Jane is just devastating and heartbreaking 😢. Her poor parents and daughter, poor Jane.

@babybluecheeks

2 жыл бұрын

@Kerstin Mueller it's just so horrific smh.

@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper

2 жыл бұрын

British Kendall Rae

“if they emotionally abuse you they will physical abuse you, if they physically abuse you they will eventually kill you .” abuse escalates, it never just a straight line even when you think things are okay . they aren’t, please note red flags and seek any form of help and escape that you can because it starts with being an emotional punching bag to punching holes in the walls to you being a physical punching bag . stay safe loves 💞 .

@karenaldridge516

3 жыл бұрын

What you said is true. I once went through a relationship that was verbally abusive, and when it started to get physical I got out of it.

@-myharlequinnsapphicarch-

3 жыл бұрын

"-its not a matter of if but when" that quote is SO important to me i love it so much

@karencooper3428

3 жыл бұрын

The purpose of emotional abuse is to brainwash the victim. Sometimes it's not obvious from the inside. When they loose control, that's when they get really dangerous, that is often the only thing you're aware of. Tow the line and all you get is the same as you survived, arguing makes it worse, a person can be, especially if isolated, can be made to think it is them that is the freak, and so the abuse deepens. If everyone understood the cycle that the victim is it, that's closer to your answer

@DazeYates

3 жыл бұрын

Ive experienced this twice :( I'm lucky to be alive

@Lynx112

3 жыл бұрын

That's so true, promises and saying they'll get help mean nothing. It only gets worse, I'm living proof that it does and jail was the only thing that put an end to it. But that's another story!

My mom went through a similar domestic abuse situation. Thankfully, she somehow managed to make it out alive but I vividly remember being 16 and being terrified that she was going to go out one day and not come home

First of all, love your channel. This case hit me so hard. I work in healthcare and although it’s not the trauma/urgent care, I still get so affected seeing those I know in the facility being treated. I cannot fathom how those friends and coworkers of Jane held it together to try saving her. Truly takes a strong person to do so. This brings a tear to my eye. If only she could have been saved by the judge never letting that guy out in the first place. Take care, thanks for all you do!

This case infuriates me. Not only did he abuse her, while she was pregnant, he also had the audacity to blame her for effing up his life and then killing her leaving a daughter without a mother!

@unprocessed_life

3 жыл бұрын

clinical narcissist. the term narcissist gets tossed around and some of the time other terms are more appropriate but he clearly is one histrionic personality disorder is a term people forget

@olivianash7312

3 жыл бұрын

Not just that but made his daughter a orphan. Or was gonna potentially kill her

21:00 The dude has two jobs, a family life, and this girlfriend. Eleanor pointed out "How does he have the energy for all of that?" I'm also curious how he had the _time_ for all of that plus stalking his girlfriend?!

@alyonavam9040

2 жыл бұрын

Steroids

@vbsmyth5527

2 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering how he had all this and the audacity of 10,000 men all while looking like the definition of douche bag

@astrocytes

Жыл бұрын

Usually, drugs.

At 57:56 what a smug mug! He took a beautiful, vital, kind, caring person from our world. Not to mention what he took from his own child and Jayne’s family and friends. He’s a HORRIBLE human! Such a sad case. The silver lining is her parents determination to help other people with the laws created in Jayne’s name. They seem like wonderful people! No wonder Jayne turned out to be so kind.